Thursday Caps Clips: Opening Day
Your savory breakfast links:
- Be sure to tune in tonight at 8:00 Eastern when Pepper and Russell welcome Brian McNally of the Washington Examiner for a special "'Twas the Night Before Season" edition of Japers' Rink Radio.
- Also, if you happen to have XM, tune into The War Room on 204 around 11:10 to hear Mick Kern and myself talk about the upcoming season.
- Semyon Varlamov is in mid-season form... which is to say he's on injured reserve. [Caps365 (Boudreau video), Dump 'n Chase, CI, Off Wing Opinion, TBD]
- In 36 hours and change, the Caps will embark on "arguably the most important season in franchise history." No pressure, boys. [Burnside]
- The Caps "need to change the way they play." So says the guy who has coached 16 NHL games since 1995. [Daily Mail]
- Bruce Boudreau and Le Siège Chaud. [Vancouver Sun]
- In case you haven't noticed, this year's Caps look a lot like last year's. [AP]
- Peerless prognosticates. [Peerless]
- Speaking of monster previews, a couple of looks at the League. [Buccigross, Frankovic]
- Dan Rosen has the Caps in the Finals. [NHL]
- Disgruntled former Oiler blueliner Sheldon Souray has been loaned to the Hershey Bears. The Caps have no rights in him (much like the Panthers with Michael Nylander), but certainly will have a pretty thorough scouting report on the rearguard, should they need it. [Patriot-News, Puck Daddy, Off Wing Opinion, Bears, TSN, The Strangest One Of All]
- On debuts and demotions. [Dump 'n Chase, Caps365 (video)]
- Mike Green "talked with sports psychologists" this summer in order to better prepare himself for the season ahead. That and other interesting nuggets from Lindsay Czarniak's Media Day interviews. [NBC4, with additional video of Brooks Laich here]
- Listing the Hart candidates at this time of year produces the usual suspects... as well as a much-maligned Cap who is "worthy of consideration." [Sportsnet]
- Which rookie will have the biggest impact this season? And which online scribe will make the most unprofessional comments of the day? [Globe and Mail]
- How the Caps season will end is one of 11 burning questions heading into the season. [Puck Daddy]
- Eight players every hockey fan needs to know. [SB Nation]
- Numbers aplenty. [ESPN]
- Speaking of numbers, will Eric Fehr have another breakout season? (When did he break back in?) [Insider2]
- Pictures from yesterday's practice. [Caps In Pictures]
- Radio hits and a podcast from the past day and change:
- Capitals Report (audio, video)
- Matt Bradley on The Sports Junkies (audio)
- Eric Fehr on The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes (audio)
- Karl Alzner on Overtime with Bill Rohland (audio, video short)
- George McPhee on The John Thompson Show (CI)
- Today's radio hits:
- 7:20 a.m.: Bruce Boudreau on WTOP 103.5 FM
- 8:40 a.m.: Mike Green on DC 101.1 FM
- 12:25 p.m.: Bruce Boudreau on ESPN980 AM
- 7:20 a.m.: Bruce Boudreau on WTOP 103.5 FM
- Birthday boy Marcus Johansson gets pied... [Caps365 (video), CI]
- ... but he's "only going to get better." I should hope so. [CI]
- Olde time hockey is dead. Dead! [Box Seats]
- Are the Caps really as good and deep up front as conventional wisdom would dictate? [Red Line Station]
- Ranking the game's top 100 prospects. [The Hockey Writers]
- Speaking of prospects, the organization's patience is paying off. [DCEx]
- Prediction: John Carlson wins the Calder. Bold. [RtR]
- Know how your significant other has a list of projects for you to do around the house? So does Ted Leonsis's, only his "house" is the Verizon Center and his "significant other" is all of us. [Ted's Take]
- Still more on how to dress your kid. [Box Seats]
- NHL Network announces its 2010-11 game schedule, which features the Caps rather often. [NHL]
- How to rock the red while staying warm. [Capitals Outsider]
- I'm a sucker for blogger panels. Especially good ones. [National Post]
- And hell, other panels as well. [National Post, TSN]
- Olie Kolzig: still a great dude. [RMNB]
- Finally, happy 61st birthday to Jim Hrycuik.
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37 bullets…
37 — the number for Olaf Kolzig, which is also the atomic number of Rubidium, which has an atomic weight of 85, which is…
Mathieu Perreault’s number, which is also the atomic number for…
Astatine, which is an anagram for “A Sat Nite,” which is…
The Caps home opener.
Sort of like “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon” but… different
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 7, 2010 7:28 AM EDT reply actions 16 recs
wow…Varlamov isn’t the only one in midseason form.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 7, 2010 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Varlamov also isn’t the only one who got rec’d.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yikes, and at 4:30 am too.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your timestamps are still on Seattle time.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Mine are in EST. Which, coincidentally, I am, too.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Just to confirm – all mine are CST. The settings work.
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Digging the phoner lineups in the Clips, jolly good show lad.
A very misguided piece on Huffington Post recently called 30 Rock the most racist show on television thanks to Tracy Morgan’s wild, manic, madcap performance. Tonight illustrated why whoever wrote that piece is full of shit and should be punched in the face until he has a more nuanced grasp on comedy.
The clips today are unbelievable. Just wow! I can tell already that I won’t get any work done today. Many many thanks.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This just confirms everything I already knew. Mutt Lange = Satan.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
…and now I’ll be listening to the worst English accent in the history of film in my head all day long.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry — too early in the morning for me
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
(Everything I do) I do it for you. . .
. . . except when I get drunk and sleep with a stripper.
I did that for me.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If it wasn't BMo
Who was it that said the team had a lot of growing up to do? Did we ever find out?
Would have to be Corvo, Walker, Belanger, Juice or ShaMo, I guess.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Not necessarily. Could’ve been a guy from a previous season (although that would certainly take away somewhat from the applicability/credibility of the quote).
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But would that take away from a journalist’s excitement to use it? Though, why sit on it for so long?
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
No and perhaps he didn’t have the right place to drop that little nugget in until now.
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Stay angry.
Too much hype and pressure on the Caps. I hope they aren’t believeing in all the hype and remember what happened to them last playoffs. I hope they stay angry, even if they go 82-0. We all know, the Caps are better then everyone doubts them and thinks they are down for the count (Caps – Rangers series when it was 3-1 Rags).
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The Presidents Trophy is a nice chick to date, but not the lady we want to marry.
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by SA-Town on Oct 7, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
agreed. It’s a meaningless piece of hardware. Though I’m not sure the Caps are interested in marrying a woman named Lord Stanley. That might lead to a collective Finkel is Einhorn moment.
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look, I know it’s not the ultimate prize, but let’s not just dismiss the trophy as “meaningless.” There’s 30 teams all chasing it. 82 games is a grind, a huge grind, and it is an accomplishment to come through that with the best record. No, it’s not the Stanley Cup, and it shouldn’t be paraded down 7th Street, but to dismiss the hard work that went into it isn’t fair.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, meaningless was far too strong. I was pushing a cat off the keyboard (as I often am in the morning). I meant that the President’s trophy doesn’t actually help the first place team in a valuable way.
There are 7 other teams from the conference and the 8th seed is not guaranteed to be the “worst” team. And the same is true for the reseeding in subsequent rounds. Going thru 3 rounds of playoff teams is hell, and being The best team over 82 games should provide an advantage thru that process.
But that took much more thought and effort to type than “meaningless.” I’m lazy, it’s gonna happen again, sadly.
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Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Are the Caps really as good and deep up front as conventional wisdom would dictate? [Red Line Station]
Much, much better use of Corsi than the article KHTAD wrote about in yesterday’s clips. This is much more in line with what Corsi was designed to do and tell you.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
I’d like to second this comment. The Red Line Station piece is a great piece of analysis and very much worth a read for anyone who wants a look at potential problems facing the Caps this season. Consider this a rec for RLS.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That discussion with you and D’ohboy the other day certainly helped me organize my thoughts better. Thanks, guys.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad I could help. I’m commenting on the piece as we speak.
Summary: totally agree about Feds, I think you’re discounting the drag produced by the Flash-Laich-Semin combo.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I have to do a WOWY with Flash, but I suspect that most of that drag is attributable to him. I’ll do it when I get home tonight (if timeonice cooperates).
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve already done one, if it so interests you. I don’t have BMo and others who’ve left, though.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks. He really looks like he drags them down pretty badly.
If I’m interpreting your spreadsheet correctly.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I tried to model it after MC79’s Ovechkin WOWY.
All the big negative numbers in the yellow row mean lots of guys (save Brads, Carlson, and Belanger among guys with 100 Corsi events with Flash) were worse with Flash. The positive numbers in the green row mean Flash was benefiting from playing with select players. Obviously that’s a big generalization, but that was the trend.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Olde time hockey is dead. Dead! [Box Seats]
This post had me wishing WaPo had a rec button. Very well done.
Thank you sir! I knew at some point I would find a way to work Sam “Small Print” Lyman into a column.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
So this guy Sean Gordon from the Globe and Mail recalled how he:
“was shooting the breeze with a couple of the Washington writers, they were talking about how detested the kid (Neuvirth)is in the Caps locker room (a few of the players later corroborated this).”
Let me count the ways this is so wrong:
1. Why would anybody “detest” Neuvirth? The kid’s humbe pie times two. I’ve never heard anyone say a bad word about him. Ever.
2. Further to the point, why would Neuvirth’s name even come up during the playoffs? The last game he played for the Caps was two months prior to the start of the playoffs.
3. And why would Cap players open up to a guy from Canada they probably don’t know and bad mouth a kid in the minors? Particularly when all their focus is on winning a series.
And newspapers complain about bloggers being irresponsible.
I’m not sure I agree with #1 (he has a cockiness and aloofness to him), but I wholeheartedly agree with 2 and 3.
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Has there ever been a successful goalie that wasn’t a little cocky?
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
No. And there has never been a successful goalie that isn’t a little weird and doesn’t live in their own world. As a coach of kids through Bantam (admittedly not the same as #30), I would just leave the goalies alone. Whatever made them happy worked for me.
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And there has never been a successful goalie that isn’t a little weird and doesn’t live in their own world.
Honestly, I think that’s just an overused trope. A fun one, but not entirely accurate. Goalies only seem weird because they have higher cognitive function unlike a majority of players =]
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If it’s an overused trope, then I’ve lived in a trope for the past eight years.
And I agree — You’re a lunatic.
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The geniuses are always misunderstood.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as current goalies, I think Ward is very humble. Kolzig was extremely competitive but I don’t think he was cocky. Marc-Andre Fleury is about as humble as they get. I could list more.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
There’s a difference between being humble on ice and humble when there’s a mic shoved in your face. These guys are experts at PR.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There definitely is. I’ve met and talked with all of those goalies in neutral settings. I also consider myself a pretty good people person.
People in hockey don’t get reputations as humble by their PR though…word gets around pretty easily.
Do you have some reason to say those guys aren’t humble people and players?
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
No, none at all, so this is all based on my experience with athletes and goalies (I used to be one, I know you are still). And they could be very humble people too, while still having that “I’m the greatest” attitude behind the mask.
Actually I think the fact that it took Kolzig another 2 years to retire after the whole 2008 debacle speaks to that. He’s even admitted that at the time he wasn’t ready to admit that his time was done, which I think is a product of that attitude.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess as F&B said we’re just arguing semantics then. I just think of that as Olie’s unrelenting competitiveness and wanting to prove he can still play instead of it as an underlying cockiness or something like that.
And yeah, one definitely has to have the mentality that they’re aiming to be the best goalie ever. Shoot for the stars and maybe you’ll reach the sky.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Yea, we agree.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And I would just like to add
…..and the Bryz is beyond awesome! That’s all
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I heartily endorse these sentiments.
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But I’m sure if you ask Cam Ward if he thinks he’s one of the best goalies in the game, or if he could beat any given goalie, he’d say yes. If you don’t truly think you are/can be the best, you probably aren’t cut out for the position.
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Hmm, maybe. Even so, do you consider that cocky or just being sure of oneself? I guess when I hear cocky + a hockey player I normally think of it in a negative connotation.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
I guess that is an issue of semantics. There’s a line somewhere between cocky and confident, but I don’t think it’s clear. I also don’t think cocky is necessarily negative.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s like quarterbacks, they all think they have the ability to be a starting QB in the NFL. I just watched Hard Knocks recently and Kellen Clemens said he wanted a chance to compete to be a starter (he’s the #3 QB of the Jets) because he think he has the ability, just didn’t get enough of a chance. Anyone who has watched Kellen Clemens knows he’s not a starting QB.
While disclaiming that it depends on how you define success; Pekka Rinne is one of the most down to earth; normal players on the team. For whatever that’s worth, which is probably not much – but he’s not successful in the way of Roy or even Neuvirth.
I just don’t think that confidence/cocky is mutually exclusive with down to earth. The competitor part of their personality is going to have that cocky attitude but you can still be a normal person.
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Eh, Rinne is a very good NHL goalie; I’d say that’s successful in a way that Neuvirth hasn’t been yet.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence yet. Way too early to pass judgment on what Neuvy can and can’t do.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I certainly agree, I was speaking to championships.
I think Rinne’s a top…seven? netminder in the NHL right now, and as to F/B’s comment below what I’ve seen of Neuvirth doesn’t lead me to believe he has the tools Rinne does.
A) you haven’t seen all that much of Neuvirth. B) Physical tools isn’t even close to the end of the story with goalies. Can you really say there are more than 3 goalies that have demonstrated the mental tools that Neuvirth has demonstrated?
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Point a conceded.
As to B, active goalies? Ryan Miller, Cam Ward, Fleury off the top of my head; there’s surely others.
I’m not even sure I buy Ward and Fleury. Ward got hot once, but hasn’t shown anything near the consistency that his contract would dictate. Fleury hasn’t consistently shown the ability to bring his A game in the playoffs. The won Cups, so are clearly more accomplished. But Neuvirth brings his best hockey every year in the playoffs.
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Ward got hot twice with relatively poor Carolina teams that had no business going as far as they did (and those are the only two playoffs Ward has seen), and Fleury got hot twice behind good Pittsburgh teams. In the NHL playoffs. I’m sorry, but that trumps 2 Calder Cups behind at least one super-stacked team and an OHL championship in my book any day of the week. Not buying Neuvirth having shown more mental tools than either of those two.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d disagree with the claim that Fleury got hot even once in the playoffs. Getting to the Finals does not equal getting hot.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He was playing really well in the 2008 Finals.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The one they lost? I thought he looked very mediocre with the exception of Game 5. Game 6 he let in some very shaky goals (butt goal anyone?).
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, for that postseason, his SV% was .933, which is crazy high. He definitely played well, even if he did let in some stupidly bad goals.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Like K_C, I don’t buy MAF getting hot for either. He was up and down for both and had a loaded team. I’m also not really buying Ward getting hot in the second playoffs, that team got hot and Brodeur got cold. Neither the NJD series nor the BOS series was on Ward and he got decimated by PIT.
Yeah, yeah… IT’S NOT THE NHL!!!!!1 But 4 straight years Neuvirth has played his best hockey in the playoffs. 4 straight. 3 ended up in league titles. Feel free to find another goalie that has done that, but it impresses me. I’m talking about playing your best when it’s time to play your best, and 4 straight years he’s done it. He has the physical talent, lots of guys do. That’s not my concern. My concern is whether he’ll bring it when you need it.
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I’d also point out that Ward didn’t have more playoff chances because he ate it in the two seasons following the Cup and he wasn’t particularly good last year before he went down with the injury.
He did have some playoff success in the W though, so I’d give him the nod over Fleury. I’m just going to stick with my faith in Neuvirth and time will tell if I’m right.
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I may not like the ‘Canes, but I agree on Ward. His two playoff appearances are very similar, and very consistent. .920 and .915. Two shutouts both years. That’s good, and Carolina didn’t exactly have an overwhelming 2008-09 roster, especially on the blueline.
MAF’s four years in the playoffs are .880, .933, .908, and .891. Three shutouts that killer year, one in the other three combined. Much better team in front of him.
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In the Cup year, MAF’s stats benefited from PIT dominating OTT and CAR. He didn’t have to be, and wasn’t, great in either. You could argue that he was one of the biggest reasons the series with WAS was even as close as it was.
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Playing devil’s advocate…
1. We don’t really know what goes on in the locker room.
2. It’s not hard to think of a circumstance. Talking about Theodore’s future after being pulled, for example.
3. Even as devil’s advocate, I can’t disagree with that, it just seems odd. At best it’s probably hyperbole.
Caps Report covered this 36:30 — 37:19. TEB was the source. Vogs and Stretch both said they’ve talked to him about his opinion of Neuvirth.
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TEB: “That little SOB is such a loathesome little prick, he kept me waiting while he holed up in the room!”
Canadian Media Translation: Caps beat writer confirms: Neuvirth viewed as “loathesome…in the room”.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 7, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wonder if something like this may have happened:
Sean Gordon: “I’m hearing that Michal Neuvirth is despised in the room.”
Matt Bradley: [wink] “Oh yeah. No one likes him. Or Fehrsie. Or Jeff Schultz or Tom Poti. When you get them alone behind the scenes they get pretty crazy.”
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This matter was pretty much settled yesterday. Vogel says Tarik didn’t like Neuvirth after he couldn’t talk to him after a game (loss) in Toronto, because TEB was on deadline and couldn’t wait. But the point that he was in Hershey during the playoffs does pretty much make the whole statement a fantasy.
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So when the author says that Neuvy is detested “in the locker room” he’s not talking about players but media (one at least) who couldn’t/can’t get him to talk on their deadline? if so, pretty misleading or a big misunderstanding of what he and TEB were talking about.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
this is why I put the time stamp from the Caps Report up. It would take too long to type it all out. Basically, Vogs and Stretch say that the conversation was between TEB and Gordon, where TEB channels his inner Talbot and maligns Neuvy’s character. Gordon then takes that conversation and says that he was able to corroborate that info with other players later. What Gordon noticeably doesn’t say is if those players are still Capitals.
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I’m having a little trouble understanding why TEB disliked Neuvy so much because he couldn’t talk to Neuvy when he wanted to one time. I’m sure TEB never got to talk to all of the guys he wants to talk to within his time frame. For example, I doubt Semin spoke to him very much. It just seems strange. Was is TEB that implied that the Caps organization wasn’t happy with Neuvy’s work ethic at one point in time?
Pity we won’t get to see if TEB’s content would be tainted by personal bias.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Did I read when TEB left the Caps beat, that one of the things he wanted to cover was NASCAR?
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s covering NASCAR, MMA, and Georgetown now.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
As I recall, it was a “I need to spend more time with my family” thing. Georgetown’s in the City, MMA only matters but once a monf, and NASCAR only has one “big” event a week on a weekend.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He’ll soon find that he’s bored out of his mind.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Dick Trickle comes out of the garage and gives TEB his interview before deadline. I hate to think what may be misconstrued about what the other boys in garage may be saying about him. Just sayin’.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If memory serves, TEB was a guest on Japers’ Rink Radio the Saturday morning of the second day of the draft and he had implied (or perhaps even more unequivocally stated) such. If someone wanted to go back and transcribe that brief snippet, I’d be forever in your debt.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Regardless if any of this is true or not, I found the word “detested” to be inappropriately strong to be printed here. Even something like “is not well liked in the locker room” seems more appropriate, as I highly doubt he is truly “DETESTED”, even if he is the kind of guy that keeps to himself, etc…otherwise we’d already have heard about it.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, “detested” + no on-record source = horseshit.
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt 90% of NHL players even know what “detested” means.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure they do, and they could use it in a sentence – “Mike Green nearly detested Patrick Thoreson.”
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
OUCH
In more ways than one…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 7, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
10. Different Wizards’ cheerleader and Red Rockers’ outfits
I don’t judge whatever fans brought this up, but — Ted, did it really need to be #10 on such a long list?
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I would only hope that the new Red Rockers’ outfits resemble a cement wall.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I understand hating on ice girls (they’re a little demeaning, their outfits aren’t suited for an ice surface, they distract certain goaltenders) but why the Red Rockers? They’re innocuous enough; they throw out t-shirts and t-shirts disguised as burritos, they help entertain the crowd during TV timeouts, and are generally harmless. Plus, it’s not like they’re wearing skimpy outfits that leave nothing to the imagination.
Or maybe you’re not hating. Maybe you’re just wishing that they’ll camouflage into the cement walls they stand in front of, in which case they’ll look like nothing but heads and pom-poms from a distance. And that’d be kind of cool.
I’m hating. I don’t like the whole gimmick. I understand they have sponsors that want stuff like that, but it just cheapens the whole experience for me. I want to watch hockey, and don’t want to be bothered with too many sideshow antics. It strikes me as juvenile, and insults my intelligence.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You, sir, are a Rec Rocker.
And I agree – beyond the general annoyance I have with an all-female cheerleading squad that draws cat calls every time they venture into the crowd, I just take issue with hockey needing this kind of thing at all. They do their little dance tucked away in a corner where no one can see them (which begs the question, if a Red Rocker dances and no one sees it, does she serve any purpose at all?) and occasionally go into the stands to give out free crap – which they had people do before, only they were coed and not there to titillate.
I just wonder, do people really show up to events just to see them? If the Caps themselves aren’t there, I don’t get what the draw would be or what their purpose is.
Of course our young Russian trio of prospects might disagree with me, since they are the proud owners of Red Rocker autographs…
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I could take this really OT to complain about the reason for the Red Rockers’ existence, which is the corporate sponsors. Which are, of course, run by men. Who probably attend a half dozen games a year, I’ll bet.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I keep hearing that “corporate sponsors” thing about them and I don’t really get it – is it just that the sponsors want someone cute and jiggly to look at during the half dozen games they go to, or do they want the cute, jiggly girls to promote their products outside of the game?
Either way, I think it’s dumb. Then again it’s not like my opinion on them has ever been much of a secret ;)
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Yeah I would agree with that assertion. That’s all I remember Ted saying when people kept complaining…“the sponsors wanted them”.
Its funny how much they like to make fun of us in Pittsburgh for having lights and sirens and dancing girls, but now they have all that stuff there now too.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
My question is how come this rents any space in your head? I choose to see the Red Rockers as an A-hole detection service. They come out/on screen and any guy who starts whistling or shouting, “Baby. [insert obnoxious comment here]” is then easily identified and avoided.
One of the dudes in my row 2 years ago was one of these guys. EVERYBODY ignored him and now his company tickets go to three female Backstrom fans. Much better seatmates.
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It’s impossible to completely ignore them – at least for me. As a woman, I will always take exception to them being there (at least as a singularly female group whose primary job is to bounce and smile) and as a hockey fan I will always take exception them being there because…cheerleaders at hockey games are dumb. It’s that simple.
Look, I have no problem with guys ogling women – obviously I enjoy looking at good-looking men, too – as long as its in a venue where ogling women/men is the primary objective. If that’s how someone wants to make a living, more power to them. I take issue with being one of the 18,000+ people who pays good money to watch hockey and doesn’t really feel like watching cheerleaders when they’re not a part of the game.
And before someone brings up Brooks Laich…yes, I get it, I talk about how attractive he is on a regular basis. But he’s not there simply to be eye candy for me – he’s a hockey player who happens to be attractive, not a hot guy planted at a sporting event to make the girls squeal.
Are the Red Rockers intrusive? Most of the time no, thank god. Are the people who catcall and whistle easily identified as assholes? Of course they are. But that’s not enough reason for me to simply ignore them and pretend I don’t care, because I do.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Brooks Laich – But he’s not there simply to be eye candy for me – he’s a hockey player who happens to be attractive, not a hot guy planted at a sporting event to make the girls squeal
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you, I think the Red Rockers are pointless. I did notice this year that they at least have tops that cover their bellies. I actually am against all cheerleaders, I think they are meaningless and stupid. I especially don’t like the NFL cheerleaders. I go to skins games and the cheerleaders wear outfits the size of bikinis and dance stripper moves on the field. Plus some teams like the cowboys do the cheerleaders swimsuit calenders (don’t know if the skins do that). I just think they should give up the pretense they are related to football/hockey/etc in any way. I know they are trying to appeal to men, but I don’t think it’s necessary because the men will be interested regardless and it just offends women.
Tell the women not to sign up for it, then.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
by jordanDC on Oct 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wild, crazy and unsubstantiated thoughts here: For some gals, it could be the ultimate puck bunny experience.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I sincerely doubt that any of those ladies give a shit about hockey.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
But they might be into hockey players.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Usually it’s the other way around.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I just wish they’d either wear really skimpy outfits or burhkas, not this in between crap.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
There was at least one of them that played youth hockey in the area.
If you don’t like them, ignore them. Everytime I’ve talked to some of them they have been pleasant and friendly. Now they are paid to be that, but I get the impression that most of them are that way when not in the Red Rocker outfit.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 7, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s another thought: Some girls (even grown-up girls) just like being cheerleaders.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d agree with that. And the fact that women audition and don’t get the gig (and are SAD), that Hooters always manages to find women to wait tables for them, etc. speaks to that. I don’t judge them for wanting to do it – I judge hockey teams for giving them a chance to.
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I’ll be honest, I don’t love having NFL cheerleaders jiggling into the camera every Sunday – but it seems more a part of the culture of football. When you went to high school football games, there were cheerleaders there and they were a pretty important part of the whole experience (and much more of an athlete than their NFL counterparts).
It bugs me in hockey because it’s not part of the sport. They don’t run out onto the ice and do a dance routine at intermission (…although I think I’d pay money to see that, especially if they wore heels…), they don’t add to the experience at all and they’re annoying.
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I used to go to some of the high school football games because my son was in the band. I don’t know about other places, but having cheerleaders there was an incredible waste. You couldn’t hear them cheer (and no one cheered with them, the way I remember it from high school), no one watched them perform, and they were terrible anyway.
"It's always good to have vikings."
the way I remember it from high school
Insert Andrew Gordon to Boudreau; “I know, when you walked uphill both ways…”
"It's always good to have vikings."
Ha!
I used to go to a lot of games as well because my sister was in the dance team (incidentally she was on that team with Brent Johnson’s future wife… /name-dropping) and our cheerleaders were really good, and very much a part of the game. Maybe it’s a school-by-school basis?
I do remember the cheerleaders being announced at halftime at a college basketball game: “Here come the McGill cheerleaders!!” “BOOOOOOOO”…but Canada’s weird ;)
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I just looked back at her and said deadpan “Krista, you’re normal.”
She freaked out.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just thought I’d throw in the age dig myself before someone else did. :-)
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by gfcaps fan on Oct 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really, really depends. I’m not into the cheerleading teams that seem to just be hero worship societies for football players. I understand school spirit is a virtue, but it is a waste of time and talent. Cheerleaders rise to the level of a school band where there are auditions, gymnastic ability, and talent and creativity in the cheers.
Of course, professional cheerleaders have a completely different agenda….
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by souldrummer on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Listen, I personally am no big fan of cheerleaders, but at the high school level, let’s not forget that the participants put in a lot of practice hours and in general thoroughly enjoy the experience. Same as kids who are in high school band.
My kids have done both and while I won’t claim their performances nor peer support were earth-shattering, they loved the experience.
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Mostly I felt bad for the cheerleaders for being ignored. The band wasn’t great, either, because the instructor only cared about concert performances, not marching band. They were probably ignored, too.
"It's always good to have vikings."
As a former cheerleader, I had to throw this out there…
Our high school football team was so bad, the people who came to the game, besides the parents of players of course, were there to watch us.
We competed nationally and throughout the state, and I was often told we were more athletically talented the guys on the field.
I’m against “pro” cheerleaders though; no way they’re adding any kind of spirit benefit to a 50k seat stadium.
It’s a shame that cheerleading — the sport that has an annual competition in Orlando — has the same name as the sort of pep squad we’re discussing. They’re almost totally different things.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t watch a lot of football do ya?
The RR’s are what they are… and whether they belong at a hockey game is negligible, but to generate such a dislike (bordering on hatred) for something that is so meaningless seems to me like you’re putting too much thought into it.
Pro sporting events as a whole are all about the money and the casual fan. If they got good money or sponsorship from having a monkey swing on a trapeze during TV timeouts, they’d do it.
I’m not saying your view is right or wrong, it just seems to me like it’s not worth the energy to hate it :-)
by Scofield on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Eh…to be honest, most of the energy I put into it is right here. I haven’t started a petition to get rid of them or anything. Yet. Ha.
I did join the very vocal outrage right when they were announced – it was funny, the initial release said it would be for women only, they were going to wear skirts, etc. The second version that was released immediately after the outburst changed it to be gender-neutral (not like it helped) and the uniforms magically were switched to pants. That was actually kind of awesome.
And I get that it’s about money…I just wonder if these girls actually have that impact, and I’d bet any impact they do have on the bottom line is minimal. Like I said before, do they really generate revenue with their appearances? Do people honestly buy tickets because they’re here? I don’t see the upside, and they don’t add anything to the game.
Just consider it the shrill feminist version of those people who like to bash anything else designed to alter the in-game experience ;)
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I’d honestly bet it has a lot to do w/ those in ownership and with the ear of the ownership group that don’t follow hockey (i.e. this group is probably “most” except Ted and Dick Patrick) saying we need more “fan interaction” and “energy” in the building… things like that. Chipotle probably likes it!
… and what situation is worth a damn if it doesn’t have a feminist reaction :-) lol.
Obviously these things are different for women. As I said below to YLM, anything not related to why I attend the game just doesn’t affect me. And if you have a petition to get rid of the cheerleaders, I’ll happily sign it.
out of curiosity what kind of idiot would compare women bouncing in front of the camera and saying, “Hi my name is Bambi, and I want to be a Vet-er-in-air-ee-an because I love children. giggle haha!” with Brooksie. (Admittedly I don’t want to be in photo next to the guy because I’d look like a short troll). It’s not the same thing at all.
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I think reactions to the Red Rockers, both positive and negative, say more about the person reacting to them than they do the Red Rockers themselves.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just as hooting, hollering, whistling and grabbing are signs of drunken douchesterism, I think unreasonable antagonism to what is a rather banal and inoffensive phenomenon (the Red Rockers are probably the least sexualized cheer squad that I’ve ever seen) is in my opinion a sign of being uptight and likely harboring some personal issues.
It’s a bunch of young women wearing yoga outfits and passing out t-shirts. This sort of thing is commonplace at sporting events. The world isn’t ending. If they were much more scantily dressed or encouraged to flirt with patrons, or forced to do sexualized dance routines, I could understand some of the antipathy. But they’re not, they’re going into the stands and passing out t-shirts and helping out during intermissions.
It’s just not worthy of getting one’s undergarments in a twist.
/personal opinion/
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Are we talking specifically of Red Rockers or Ice Girls in general? Some Ice Girl groups do dress, umm, less. Seems to me like the two are being mixed up a bit.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
the Red Rockers are probably the least sexualized cheer squad that I’ve ever seen
That much is true – but I don’t believe I’m limiting my annoyance with them strictly to the Red Rockers, I pointed out that I don’t like cheerleaders at any hockey games. The Southeast teams have some of the worst, our girls look like nuns compared to them.
It’s a bunch of young women wearing yoga outfits and passing out t-shirts.
They’re maybe not as tight this year but they’re certainly not loose and they’re still designed for one purpose and one purpose only – to be provocative and sexy. They could get the people in track suits to hand out the t-shirts like they did in the years prior, girls and guys who were peppy and mildly annoying but not offensive.
a sign of being uptight and likely harboring some personal issues.
…wow. I almost don’t know where to start. Because I choose to have an opinion about this means I’m a prude and am harboring personal issues?? I don’t think anything I’ve said here or ever is unreasonable in the least, and anyone who knows me knows I’m not uptight in the least. I certainly don’t get offended easily.
I do, however, consider sexism and the unnecessary exploitation of women for purely sexual means to be an important issue – are the Red Rockers scantily clad and sexually suggestive? No. But it’s a slippery slope, and just because something is less offensive doesn’t make it okay. It speaks to the greater issue of men considering women to be here merely as playthings – while the burly boys go out and play a man’s game, the ladies will dance quietly in a corner and endure catcalls while they give you things…nope, not offensive at all.
Meanwhile this whole issue is avoided if the squad is coed. I don’t love cheerleaders at hockey games and I think they’re a fucking ridiculous and needless addition to the sport, but I’d put up with them silently if it wasn’t such an obvious objectification of women.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Meanwhile this whole issue is avoided if the squad is coed.
Well they were coed and still can be. Men aren’t turned away at the auditions and there is no female\male requirement. Are they supposed to forcibly insert a man into the cheer squad?
I’d put up with them silently if it wasn’t such an obvious objectification of women.
Not everything involving attractive women is objectifying and or has some terrible underlying misogyny. I’m sure the women that are the Red Rockers would tell you that they have a great time doing it and really enjoy interacting with the fans the way they do. Otherwise, I don’t think they would be doing it.
I think the most anti-feminist thing about this is discounting what these girls are doing as nothing but a needless addition to the sport.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well they were coed and still can be. Men aren’t turned away at the auditions and there is no female\male requirement. Are they supposed to forcibly insert a man into the cheer squad?
I think they should get Nate to do it if there aren’t any other men.
There was one guy – and only after they changed the ad to include men, because initially it WAS limited to only females. But he looked so miserable all season and quit after the year was out, because the way they were used was so clearly as a bounce-and-jiggle squad.
And Nate would be an awesome Red rocker – you tell him I said so.
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Haha, I love this line “bounce-and-jiggle squad.”
I think your next Japers’ piece should be an interview with the Red Rockers.
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It’s from the 5th Element.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
I thought the 5th element was love?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
okay, I know the scene. It’s a bit of a mangling reversal of the phrasing, but definitely there. 1 point to you!
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Ha – I totally should. It might be nice to see an interview with these girls that wasn’t simply “what are your turn-ons or turn-offs”.
…then again, if I did that doesn’t that just make me OFB? They’re about as hockey-relevant as Miss Virginia.
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Doesn’t she actually play goalie, though?
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Since Ted was doing all these odd jobs around the arena to get a flavor for the nature of the work, should he take a stab at being a Red Rocker for a night?
Hey, just askin’
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If Chris Farley can be a Chippendale…
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the most anti-feminist thing about this is discounting what these girls are doing as nothing but a needless addition to the sport.
Thank you.
Really, not much bothers me more than trying to throw feminism or civil rights into a situation that doesn’t warrant them.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
How is it an important part of the sport? How does it add anything to the game that wasn’t there before? I’m sorry, I worry about bringing my little niece to a game and having her see the men on the ice doing what they do, and these girls in the stands doing what they do, and thinking that’s the way it has to be. That’s a legit concern in my mind.
As much as I get that stupid things are often given more attention than they deserve under the banner of feminism and civil rights, I think it’s just as bad and just as dangerous to have things like this that speak to a larger issue dismissed just because our cheerleaders aren’t the worst or the most objectified. Doesn’t make it okay.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry I misread the comment, wow, need more coffee. What I meant to agree with was that calling the Red Rockers anything more than a needless addition to the sport is anti-feminist. They want to be there, and they’re not even getting paid the big bucks to be there.
And I’m sorry, if I were bringing a little kid to a hockey game I’d be more worried about some of the ridiculous things people (like myself) say, not the fact that there are women in tight pants running around.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But to combat that stereotype from forming, wouldn’t it be more constructive to take her to a womens’ game (college, etc.) or watch the women play in the Olympics and let her see women playing and people of both genders cheering them on?
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Regarding my nieces, I’d want them to feel that it was both acceptable and possible for them to be the cheerleader, or the announcer, or the player down on the ice, or the owner. . .
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’d want them to feel that, too, but more often than not it’s not possible. How many of the broadcast teams for the 30 NHL teams contain a woman? How many in upper management/GM positions?
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To me, that’s a bigger injustice than some GW coeds passing out t-shirts.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My earlier point about there being bigger issues to worry about exactly.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The little things like this actually go hand in hand with the bigger issues.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, wait, don’t worry about the bad stuff because other stuff is worse? And it’s all part of the same thing.
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My point is focus on the bigger things and the little things will fall into place. Worry about enabling women to make the kind of money that would allow them to own NHL teams, and they may not make the decision to have Red Rockers in the first place.
Anyway I’m over this discussion.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you on the reasons that you find cheerleaders offensive. It’s objectifying women merely for their physical characteristics. I don’t find the Red Rockers to be very bad, I think the skins cheerleaders are much worse, but they are still a symbol of the whole issue.
I think it’s very offensive that D’ohboy says women who don’t like cheerleaders have personal issues and are uptight. He’s never have the experience of being a woman and being objectified or having his opinion and intelligence ignored because he was a woman.
by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 7, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Right, because it’s impossible for a man to be objectified.
/Straight guy who used to live in VERY gay neighborhood./
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…yeah, it’s absolutely positively the exception. And even if it’s happened to you before, doesn’t make it okay. Were you comfortable with being objectified? If we had an all-male squad running around shirtless in tight pants handing out free shit at Caps games, would you be okay with it? I highly doubt it, but you’ll never have to deal with that problem.
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D’oh wouldn’t be OK with it because he doesn’t like exploring that side of himself.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Were you comfortable with being objectified?
Yeah. I would have left if I wasn’t. Mostly I found it flattering and amusing. I’m just bummed that I didn’t get more free drinks out of it.
If we had an all-male squad running around shirtless in tight pants handing out free shit at Caps games, would you be okay with it?
Change that to read, “in outfits similar to those worn by the female Red Rockers,” and I’d agree wholeheartedly. Hell, let ‘em be shirtless. Personally, I don’t mind sex being used to sell things. It’s a part of life. I’m a realist – I take the world as it is, not as I would wish it to be.
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I’m a realist – I take the world as it is, not as I would wish it to be.
And I think that’s an easier position to take if you are an (I’m assuming) white male, and the “world as it is” doesn’t really keep you down much.
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by SmallZ827 on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the record, I, too, am a white male, but to hyperbolize, what if Martin Luther King, Jr. had been a “realist” as you describe it? Saying “stuff sucks sometimes, deal with it” isn’t always the most helpful way to deal with things that are wrong in the world.
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There’s a difference between socially-constructed oppression and biologically-determined patterns of behavior.
Women are sex objects. Men are success objects. This isn’t just some social creation. It crosses all kinds of cultural boundaries.
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I see what you’re saying, but I’m not entirely buying it, because what has separated humans from everything else is the ability to rise above base biology. Plus, socially-constructed oppression arises from those biologically determined patterns of behavior all the time.
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by SmallZ827 on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forgetting for a moment that within 20 miles of the VC there are about 8,000 people with Ph.D’s in various social sciences all of whom have written a paper at some point proving you to be totally wrong.
I will add the Neuroscientists POV. There is absolutely nothing in human biology to even remotely suggest that what you just argued holds water.
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by Boggles on Oct 7, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could you please, seriously, post some relevant articles in the OT thread?
What you’re saying goes pretty hard against the (admittedly limited) reading I’ve done in this area and I really would be interested in learning more.
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that will take a couple of days. This is my last seriously free morning for a while. But I do promise to email you a list middle of next week when I can give it an hour or two, okay?
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Cool. I’ve totally smoked my morning away on this thread.
I’d really appreciate it though. That line about sex vs. success object is from a seminar class I took in college on human sexuality. I’ve read other stuff about it, but I’d be interested if there’s more/contradictory research.
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MLK may not be the best one to bring into this little debate. He had a hard time empowering women on his own staff and his personal life was less than fully honorable on this particular score.
MLK kind of point to how Injustice can sometimes trump these little issues for better or worse. Black church had a way to go on sexism regardless.
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I know you didn’t ask me, but since I’m with D’ohboy on this I’ll respond. I wouldn’t give a shit if they had guys handing out free shit. Personally, I find it incredibly easy to ignore Red Rockers or any other cheerleaders, so whatever the team/sponsors feel best promote the team and the game to the common fan go for it. There is a line of course, but I don’t think Red Rockers or shirtless guys crosses it.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, so you have had the experience living in your neighborhood. I find it much worse personally when it occurs at work. I have a masters degree yet this still has happened to me. It can be very frustrating. Maybe I do have deep, dark, pent-up issues I’m unleashing on the Redskins cheerleaders. I don’t find the Red Rockers very offensive, just meaningless, although I am happy their shirts cover their bellies this year.
I don’t think we should get into a discussion about the trials and tribulations men\women face. The stuff women have to put up with on a daily basis can be very horrible and most guys don’t have a clue. Let’s just leave it at that — and take it OT if anyone wants to discuss it further.
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by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t find the Red Rockers very offensive, just meaningless
(Emphasis added.)
This is, in my opinion, a totally reasonable reaction. If you just think that it’s lame/weird to have cheerleaders at a hockey game, I understand. I’m just not seeing the sexual objectification of a bunch of women running around looking like they’re going to a session of hot yoga. It’s not titillating in the least.
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More to the point, I just don’t find the Red Rockers to be terribly objectifying.
Like I said in my original reply, if they were being sexualized/objectified/exploited, I’d agree with the antipathy.
But I’m just not seeing it. They’re not walking around with their tits hanging out and sitting on guys’ laps.
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They aren’t necessarily sexualized or exploited. That isn’t the organization’s intention. However, it is a subtle form of objectification.
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If we’re going to stretch the definition of the word that far then yes it’s objectifying. One’s company also objectifies them to complete a task. So what? They are voluntarily doing it.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
None of my posts touch on the voluntary aspect (which has its own societal complexities: images reinforcing what people do, how they see themselves, their options, what is normal, etc.)
But the “so what” is how it makes other women/girls feel about their worth, purpose, how they might be viewed by others, and so on. That is why I said “subtle.” The signals aren’t as blatant as they used to be, but they are still there. They can work insidiously. Most can cope or ignore, but others aren’t as well-equiped. It isn’t as easy as yelling, “Who cares?!?!”
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I think you missed my point. I was saying that I don’t think that they are being objectified at all and that if we’re going to stretch the definition of the word that far where many here are labeling the Red Rockers with it then yes ALL PEOPLE employed are being objectified.
So if we’re going to grind the word down to the level that’s being used in this thread then yes, who cares is how I feel..
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
All people aren’t objectified just because they have employment.
You don’t think they are objectified, but I think there is some objectification. Are they as objectified/presented in such as way to be as objectified as some of the other ice girls? No.
The “who cares” attitude is too dismissive. Some people do care for their various reasons. The Red Rockers are a small thing in an issue that still runs deep.
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I don’t believe I’m limiting my annoyance with them strictly to the Red Rockers
But you can’t deny they provoked a visceral distaste in you.
they’re still designed for one purpose and one purpose only – to be provocative and sexy.
Honestly, they’re pretty far from provocative and sexy. Look up Dallas’ Ice Girls if you want to see provocative and sexy. This is, to me, part of my “unreasonable” comment. They aren’t wearing a high-school cheer outfit straight out of some cosplay fantasy. They’re wearing track pants. I see women wearing much, much less out jogging. I see women wearing much less in the stands at Caps games.
It speaks to the greater issue of men considering women to be here merely as playthings
Welcome to the planet earth. Every day I get to see old, fat, bald guys driving around in Bentley’s with gorgeous women. Ovechkin has a face that only a plastic surgeon could love, and yet he’s surrounded by beautiful women. Somehow, I don’t think that it’s just because of his personality.
Women are sex objects; men are success objects. We’re all objectified in our own way. I’d rather not spend my time trying to fight biology.
Meanwhile this whole issue is avoided if the squad is coed.
There was a guy. Don’t know what happened to him.
I just think that the hue and cry over this is well out of proportion to the actual nature of the thing, and when I see a reaction that I think is out of proportion with something, I typically attribute that reaction more to the person having it than the object in question.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Just because something exists doesn’t make it ‘right’.
1. Like YLM, the explosion of “in game entertainment” in sports annoys the crap out of me. I can’t even talk to the person sitting next to me any more because of the need for constant noise and bombardment.
2. The use of females to sell products will stop being sexist the minute I see a similar proportion of men in the same position.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
2. The use of females to sell products will stop being sexist the minute I see a similar proportion of men in the same position.
Next time you’re at the supermarket, check out Men’s Health. Or watch any car ad/beer ad/what have you.
Have you ever seen an ad for Bud Light with a bunch of paunchy middle-aged men? Of course not. Because advertisers want you to think that only young, attractive men drink Bud Light and that if you drink it, you must be young and attractive, too.
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It’s nowhere near the same proportion and you know it. Show me a team with a cheer squad comprised of young, good-looking men wearing tight clothing, then we’re even.
At hockey games, we women get our eye candy on the ice – and only because the guys we adore who play the sport we love just happen to be good-looking.
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At hockey games, we women get our eye candy on the ice
If you can have your eye candy, then why can’t everyone else?
Why is one form of objectification ok, but the other isn’t?
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Give me a break. “Finding someone attractive” isn’t what objectifies them.
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The definition of objectification is getting stretched pretty thin here.
I, personally, find the Red Rockers a long way from objectification. Are they unnecessary? Sure. Are they offensive? Not really. Would they be if they were doing stripper routines? Sure.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
That’s fine, and I agree with you.
But I think Becca’s made it pretty clear that the Red Rockers are in no way the worst offender, and it’s a slippery slope, and it speaks to a larger issue. Part of the reason that fan bases skew overwhelmingly male is it’s not easy being a female in the sports community.
(What follows is not indicative of this community, but often of sports a whole.) Women don’t get to play these sports, for obvious reasons. But they also don’t get to coach or GM, and I don’t think there are as many people in Nate’s, Stretch’s etc. positions who are women. Women often only show up as the eye candy, and female sports fans’ opinions are often met with cynicism and “Yes, dear, that’s nice, let’s let the men talk sports”. And it’s not just in sports, it’s in every aspect of life. Women still don’t make the same money for doing the same jobs. I could go on and on, but I think it’s frustration from a much, much larger issue that drives distaste for the Red Rockers; because they are an instance in a pattern, not because they themselves are so inherently distasteful.
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by SmallZ827 on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you’re saying, but you also can’t deny that men on average are inherently more interested in sports.
oh, don’t even go there.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 7, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Women on average make up at least 40% (and more in the case of the NHL and NFL) of the viewing population of the major sports. The fact that they stick around despite each league seemingly going out of their way to make the experience less comfortable for them, and despite male fans often refusing to accept that they can be serious about sports, too…if anything we’re bigger fans.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I’ll be honest, I don’t have the resource in front of me and can’t remember where I saw it – might be a bit high but I do remember it trended right around 40% for all the major sports. I’ll keep looking, though, I’d hate to make that kind of claim without backing it up :)
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NFL’s self-released figure is 44%.
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Oddly enough, Steelers Nation and the Packers have the most female fans – at least within their own market.
Or the most large female fans, the wording’s a little sketchy.
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I’m glad you went there, because I feel like I would have gotten beat up for doing same.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I think the one off-ice official who walks around the ice after the zam in heels is very impressive.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
And what D’oh is doing is a false syllogism. Basically, he’s using the fact that the red rockers’ outfits and dances doesn’t turn him on, to equate with it isn’t intended to be a turn on. Which is silly. It’s about sex, it’s just less slutty than in other cases.
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No, it’s not – it’s eye candy vs. eye candy.
Once you admit the objectification of guys like Laich, it’s a slippery slope.
If Brooks Laich looked like Eric Fehr, I doubt there would be half the pixels spent talking about him or posting pictures.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Essentially, I’ll admit that the Red Rockers are eye candy. But Becca admitted that guys like Laich are eye candy, too.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
They can be, but that’s not their sole purpose. I think there’s a bit of a difference there.
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Yeah, more than a bit. Brooks Laich is a hockey player who happens to be attractive. If he wasn’t attractive, he would still be a hockey player and I’d still like him, watch him and cheer for him. He’s still relevant to the game. If you take away the visual appeal of these women, they serve no function as it relates to the game.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
they serve no function as it relates to the game.
They keep fans entertained during breaks. They serve the same function as the music, or the mascot, or the videos.
They represent the team at corporate functions, which keeps corporate sponsorship, which adds money to the team’s coffers, which allows them to pay guys like Brooks Laich to play hockey.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I could make...
a pretty seriousy argument that having actual players at meet n greets does more to retain corp. interest than does the “spirit squad”, who are only welcome because they ooze sex.
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by TerroristFistJab on Oct 7, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I was actually calling on you to show you that yes, there are people who equate finding Brooks Laich attractive with the purpose the Red Rockers are here to serve.
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You:
we women get our eye candy on the ice – and only because the guys we adore who play the sport we love just happen to be good-looking.
You’re admitting to objectifying a subset of the players based on attractiveness, which is pretty much the same as the Red Rockers, if you’re going to say they’re being objectified (which I find a stretch).
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Brooks Laich is hot. But that’s not why he’s on the team and it’s not why I watch him.
The bottom line for me is this: yes, these women choose to do this and that’s great and I believe women should do what they want. However, the fact that the option exists speaks to a greater flaw in society that doesn’t go away by saying “hell, that’s the way it always is and will remain” – it goes away by people speaking out about the smaller things and working their way up to the bigger issues.
And…that’s all I’m going to say about this, because we’ve weighed down the Clips thread enough with your misogynistic views and my shrill overly sensitive feminism, and for that I apologize.
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Show me a sport with an overwhelmingly female fanbase and you’ll see a team with a cheer squad of hot young men.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
WNBA?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
The WNBA, unfortunately, doesn’t meet the prerequisite of having a fanbase.
by Kolzilla on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice. But connected to that point, even if the WNBA fanbase is overwhelmingly female, do the teams have the revenue to pay for excesses like cheer squads?
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Its backed financially by the NBA itself. Which is why even though the league takes a bath financially every year, it still continues to exist.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know much about the WNBA, but is their fanbase overwhelmingly female?
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I assure you that despite the overwhelming female fanbase, there are not cheer squads of hot young men for gymnastics, diving, dressage, women’s basketball, softball, or any other sport.
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And you just listed a whole lot of sports with little to no revenue with which to pay for such a cheer squad.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the original question didn’t involve revenue, it simply asked for sports with a majority-female fanbase.
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Sure, but that’s my fault for wording it poorly. It should have included revenue because that and sponsorship absolutely influence decisions about cheer squads.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And comparing the advertising and event entertainment activities of major sports like the NHL, NFL, etc. to the type of niche competitions you mentioned isn’t terribly useful.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t watch sports for the side show. I watch sports for the sport.
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As the lone hot member of the 2004 Toronto Dressage Cheer Squad, I beg to differ.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
my apologies. I wasn’t aware that dressage was so wildly popular in Canada that it can afford to pay for a cheer squad :)
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Volunteer position all the way baby! ;)
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m well aware of how those ads work. You’ll also notice in those ads who has less clothes on most of the time. The proportion of men selling products compared to women is extremely low. You take out the gay male market and its even lower.
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I dunno. My roommate suddenly started getting “Details” in the mail, and it struck me as essentially gay porn. Every other page was a shirtless guy lounging on something.
I don’t think their abs got that ripped by lounging so much.
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I dunno. My roommate suddenly started getting "Details" in the mail, and it struck me as essentially gay porn. Every other page was a shirtless guy lounging on something.
So true.
Men are sexualized and used to push product, it’s just that in my experience in generally to push product to other men.
Female magazines use half naked females to push products too. Hell, I’d be willing to be there’s more female nudity in a Cosmo than in most men’s magazines that aren’t sold with plastic wrapping.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, and I won’t deny that. My point was just that a lot of what is pushed on women with regards to sexuality and attractiveness is pushed on men too, just in a different way.
Totally. To add to D’oh’s comment below. Women in an ad for women is “buy this, look like this, get Prince Charming”
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And in the examples above to a subset of men. I’m not a fan of that either, especially when the message becomes objectification of human beings.
I’m fine with attractive folks of both sexes being attractive and wearing whatever as long as its about being healthy both physically and mentally. Right now that isn’t the case.
This is trending way OT.
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I think it's trending way...

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by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Different as in when men are being marketed to, the commercial consists of telling men that they’re so fucking awesome and superior, and to buy their product which will make them even more awesome and superior.
With regards to women?
LOOK AT YOURSELF, YOU’RE DISGUSTING, HOW CAN YOU GO OUT OF THE HOUSE LOOKING LIKE THAT? BUY OUR PRODUCT YOU FREAK SO YOU CAN STEP OUT OF THE HOUSE AND NOT HAVE MEN DISTURBED BY YOU. WHAT, YOU DIDN’T NOTICE ANY OF THAT?
WELL THEY ARE.
BUY OUR SHIT YOU UGLY BITCH.
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by CaptainAwesome on Oct 7, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I disagree. The end point of both is “Buy this, and you’ll be awesome”, but I don’t see the starting point as being any different.
It absolutely is. The ads play into societal constructs on gender indentity.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 7, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. When you’ve got women in an ad for men it’s “buy this and get this girl.”
When you’ve got men in an ad for men it’s “buy this and be like this dude. . . and then get some girl.”
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Such as...

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I focused mainly on the Red Rockers…because they’re part of the Caps organization and I’m a Caps fan and STH, so it’s relevant to me. I’m annoyed by the Thrashers and Hurricanes cheerleaders, too, perhaps even more so, but they’re there. These girls are here.
Yes, there was a guy. He looked miserable and was wearing the same girly outfits as the girls, and he left. As I said above, initially this was designed to be an all-girls squad until the outcry made the organization change it to gender-neutral – you can’t force guys to try out but there’s no way guys see an ad for this and assume they could join without being mocked.
I actually had kept my responses fairly reasonable, but being personally attacked tends to bring out the militant feminist in me – it all speaks to a larger issue, and while I get that this is the way the world is, the world changes. And it only changes when people start to fight the way things are, even if it takes forever and is achieved by baby steps.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
They all look so sad and enslaved and objectified. I think I see a shadow of GMGM off to the right laughing manically while pointing a gun to their heads.
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by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think what you’re seeing is actually the heavy cloud of spray on tan lurking due to poor ventilation.
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by Boggles on Oct 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of those girls look spray tanned to me?
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
I have a coupon for the optometrist here. Please, you need it more than I. :-P JK — don’t know if that was clear so I’m ruining it w/ an explanation.
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Haha, they are all pale except for one girl and isn’t she of a darker ethnicity?
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I see chicks wearing very similar outfits at Gold’s Gym. Are they objectifying themselves?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Only when they are throwing t-shirts at guys on the AbMaster ;)
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually had kept my responses fairly reasonable, but being personally attacked
I didn’t mean to personally attack you. I did think that some of what was said, particularly with regard to the men who might actually have the temerity to sneak a glance or appreciate their presence, was a little over-the-top and unnecessary, but that’s just my opinion.
Personally, I find it somewhat ironic that we’re having this discussion in what is largely a gender-free space. Were it not for the fact that you self-identified as a woman, I’d have no idea that you were.
As for “moving the world forward,” don’t you think that the fact that a forum such as this, wherein women can participate equally with men in a traditionally “male-dominated” topic is a sign of some progress?
Personally, I like the fact that people here are judged largely on the merit of their thoughts rather than their gender (or race, religion. . .).
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
And we’re forgetting the fact that these women WANT TO BE RED ROCKERS. Wasn’t the whole point of the feminism movement to allow women to do what/be who they wanted to be?
As a hockey fan, do I find them annoying? Yes.
As a female hockey fan, do I find them offensive? Wait, what?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the Rink and it’s gender-neutrality – and yes, I do see it as a sign that perhaps things are changing. Doesn’t mean I don’t get the emails calling me a stupid bitch who should stay out of a man’s world, or that I don’t get comments about me only liking Brooks Laich because he’s hot when I have the audacity to wear his jersey.
And like I said above (?) I don’t intend to trample on a woman’s right to choose what they do with their bodies, and if they like getting ogled, fine. The fact that they have the option to do this, and it’s one that is not similarly mirrored with how men experience the game, speaks to the larger problems with society that will only go away when you tackle the smaller issues.
…k now I’m really done. I’ve hijacked this thread enough.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m just as guilty for the thread, and for that, I apologize.
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In defense of Alex, he is physically attractive, but it is a quirky attractiveness.
As for the motives of the girls he seen with, I can’t speak to that.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
I’m sorry, I just can’t buy that any significant amount of women would think Alex was any kind of physically attractive if he weren’t a hockey star.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s possible. I do find him sexy in a weird way but since I don’t know him as anything but a hockey player, I can’t really speak to whether I’d give him the time of day if he wasn’t one.
…I do love the accent, though. And the smile.
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Ovie’s kind of odd. He can look totally caveman like but still somehow be attractive. I think a large part of it is the force of his personality.
by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s a female thing. You wouldn’t understand.
I didn’t find him attractive (excepts his eyes and smile) when he was drafted. But he grew into his features and is a MAN. I have encountered many females with this opinion. (And no, they don’t have the same reaction to other more conventionally attractive hockey players.)
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To be fair, his hair on the day he got drafted was god awful.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to a school lass from the 19th century.
But hair aside, he just wasn’t fully formed yet.
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No. I definitely understand. Men have unconventional attractions as well. (Trying to think of mine.)
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
So maybe men and women determine attractiveness differently and that’s why there are female Red Rockers and not male Red Rockers. Maybe women just don’t respond to that stuff in a way men do. Why are there more female strippers than male strippers? Because of society? Or because that’s just not a thing women respond to? And the majority of women I know that have gone to see male strippers do it as a joke and don’t come home raging for sex.
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You underestimate the power of charisma, charm, and a pair of intense blue eyes. Ovi’s got some serious sex appeal. And he’s a flirt. His attractiveness is no doubt enhanced by his athletic fame and fortune, but I have no doubt he was personable and charming from a young age.
Admit it guys—you’ve met women whose flirtatious and charming manner elevated otherwise average looks. I know it’s true because I’ve met men who come across as extraordinarily attractive through their personal magnetism but who are otherwise “nothing special to look at” guys with an office job.
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and he cleans up well. Remember the photo that launched 1,000 comments?
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I admit. I went out and bought that mag with Ovi eating caviar.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Oct 8, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I was upset when they announced the Red Rockers because to me it just meant that the Caps were becoming more NFL-like. But yea, as far as pro-sport cheer squads, the Red Rockers really don’t bother me. At all.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
because caring enough to comment on anything reveals beliefs and sensitivities (or lack thereof). It gives people an insight into who you are and why you do the things you do. It’s why ad hominem arguments are so easy and effective.
What is conveniently left at of that platitude is the fact that the act of sponsors demanding the Red Rockers, Ted’s acquiescing to their presence, etc. also offer the same insights into those people as commenting on Red Rockers reveals about all of us.
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What is conveniently left at of that platitude is the fact that the act of sponsors demanding the Red Rockers, Ted’s acquiescing to their presence, etc. also offer the same insights into those people as commenting on Red Rockers reveals about all of us.
People and corporations want their product and companies represented/touted by attractive people.
Shock.
Horror.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Well, there was the one male Red Rocker a couple of seasons ago, but males usually don’t show up for cheerleader auditions. Most of the time I don’t mind the Rockers probably because they are more clothed than cheerleaders/ ice girls I’ve seen at other arenas.
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I actually don’t understand hating on the Red Rockers or any team’s “Ice Girls.” My cup runeth over with things to do during TV time outs and between periods. Not the least of which is, talk to the people with whom I am attending the game. I can text a friend in a different section, go get a beer, play a game on my phone, or watch Stretch bump his head on the press box ceiling. Absolutely nobody is making me stare at women.
And for those who wish to be entertained by pretty, young women, have at it. I’m not in any position to judge such people.
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It’s not so much a judging thing on my part as it’s just this “Disneyfication” of the entire sports experience. I’m just not a fan of all the “stuff” the modern game experience has, whether it be the loud music, the newfangled “crowd games”, texting the jumbotron or that kind of thing. Hell, I’d be happy if it was just organ music and the old “clappy hands” graphic on the jumbotron.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. Give me the hockey, Wes, and the beer and I’m good to go.
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That makes sense. It seems that stuff just bounces off me. I barely notice it/them. I came for the hockey, beer, and my buddies. And I don’t let what others do interfere with it. That said, if you have a petition to get rid of the Rockers I’d be happy to sign it. They don’t serve any useful purpose to me.
I do like the mites on ice though. I wouldn’t want that to go away.
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Mites on Ice are great.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Mites on ice should happen each intermission…not just once.
by Scofield on Oct 7, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I prefer when they used to do kids shootouts.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Maybe one of each, then. Mites first and high school shoot-out second.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Mites on ice. It’s such a big deal to them, getting on Caps’s ice for that ten minutes or so.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
… #10 on a list that doesn’t include “better ice surface”? Though, in his defense, he did mention the other day that they’ve lowered the temp in the building for that purpose.
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I remember taking my son on a season ticket holder skate back in 2002, and I couldn’t believe how bad the ice was. Our crappy local rink ice is better, and we complain about it all the time. You would think Ted could do something about that.
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I have to say, I’m not an expert in ice quality but the ice has looked better to me in all three preseason games, and the puck doesn’t seem to be bouncing around as much. There aren’t puddles along the goal line anymore, and it’s been noticeably colder in the building.
Obviously we’ll see how long it lasts (or we’ll see if anyone with a keener eye would like to dispute my claims) but for now…yippee! Looks promising.
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Seems to me the best test for the ice won’t come until March/April when the humidity starts picking up again.
Yeah. From what I gather our technology is at the point where local humidity is much more of a factor than local temperature. IIRC when they played in Las Vegas the ice was decent, for example.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, as I understand it good ice is a combination of temperature and humidity – they have technology for that, and some of the preseason games have been played on days where the temperature is still quite warm and it’s still a bit humid.
I agree, though…as is the case with everything else surrounding this team, ask me again in April.
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I can, and have several times, vouched for the ice in Vegas. And not just the professional ice.
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Me too. Can’t stand humidity. You know when you meet people from upstate New York who tell you “If I never see snow again, it’ll be too soon.”? That’s how I feel about humidity.
On topic: do you think that was a big part of why the ice was better out there? Or was it just that it was better maintained?
It was a huge part of why the ice is better. It’s relatively easy to cool a building and keep it sealed enough to keep the cold air in. Once it’s cold, you don’t have to worry about humidity. Humidity also makes it tougher to even get it cold.
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And when they’ve got hoops games in between Caps games (sometimes day off) that require putting down and taking up the basketball court. Have there been any non-hockey events at VC since they poured this sheet?
Also, I do recall that in at least one of the preseason games (NSH, I believe), the ice was noticeably crappy.
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Not basketball games, but I’m sure there have been events. Wasn’t Lady Gaga there recently? :P
I don’t remember it being that bad – we were marveling at the lack of puddles from our seats, and at how quickly the ice dried after the resurfacer did it’s thing. There might still be work to do and the real test will obviously be when the building becomes really multi-purpose again, but it’s promising. You won’t go from that sludge we used to have to Rexall Place-esque ice overnight, you know?
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How quickly I forget….Georgetown games followed by Caps games 4 hours later are never good.
Have there been any non-hockey events at VC since they poured this sheet?
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Depending on when they poured it, there was definitely a “motivational seminar” there earlier this week…and four days of Tyler Perry right before the preseason.
Oh yeah, duh. That’s why Media Day was at Kettler and not the VC (it was Rudy Giuliani and a bunch of other bloviators, IIRC).
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Yeah pretty much. My dad’s partner (law-partner..get your mind out of the gutter) dragged me to one down there years ago. Not only was it horribly bad but I couldn’t (and still can’t) grasp why the people there would shell out large amounts of money to attend. The icing on the cake was a band called Avalon….uncomfortable for a son of abraham such as myself.
I kept getting promos for it in the mail. If you bought ahead of time, it was supposedly $1.95 to get in. I also remember a story about this “seminar” last year – it’s basically an opportunity for most of the speakers to hawk their books and merchandise. Probably some of the bigger names aren’t selling something, but it’s still a big sales pitch. But for two bucks, to hear the one person you might be interested in doesn’t seem like a big deal. No way would I spend a whole day to do that, though.
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One spot in front of the Pred’s bench, was evidently horrific, causing the puck to bounce over Green’s stick and giving Nashville the shorty. From up in the 400’s it looked like Green misplayed it terribly, but Corey tweeted about the ice later.
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I saw a few deep gashes in one of the faceoff circles that the zamboni couldn’t quite fix between periods. Not enough water layed I suppose.
I blame that kid in the Mites on Ice game with the impossibly long jersey that the shrill reporter lady interviewed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope shrill reporter lady is not here to stay. Her voice is intolerably grating.
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Awful. It’s like listening to Fred.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn’t she the host on Capitals Red Line?
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She is – Guerin Austin. I was watching CRL last night on DVR and my roommate, out of TV viewing range, asked who the hell that annoying woman on the TV was.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Other than CRL, is there any reason we would know who she is? A model? Someone’s girlfriend?
And honey, you need to lose some of that heavy eye makeup, regardless of the camera.
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She was a Miss USA contestant. Miss Nebraska 2004.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You aren’t selected as Miss USA because of what you sound like.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, that was the 12:30 start on what turned out to be a relatively warm day outside. I can understand a noon game in early October having some questionable ice, but not a February game. And they need to have had this figured out before April/May and hopefully June.
This could be an urban legend, but I have heard that the fact that the subway is underneath the VC, that the ice will never be great regardless of how cold the arena is. One reason why MSG is alway terrible, along with the fact that they have a zillion events there a year.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
My hockey team has skated on the VC ice after Caps games for the last few years. We generally do this around January or February. The ice the past few years has gotten worse every year. It is directly related to the temperature. I’m not sure if they turn up the thermostat or turn off the condensers after the big boys play or not.
In 2009 I specifically remember that it felt like it was 80 degrees plus sitting down on the Caps bench.
It’s also a list that contains a lot of “keep the VC clean and fully stocked” type of issues. I mean, number 37 is “fresher popcorn”.
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Colder beer is on there, too!
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Did folks really complain about the usher’s uniforms (#47)? Really?
Hanging a Stanley Cup banner should be up there too, along with making sure the retired numbers banners are in actual Capitals colors. Taking down the Mystics “Attendance Champions” banners was a good start.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 7, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And did anyone actually complain about being able to buy tickets from scalpers? They’re offering a useful servive, people!
61. Increased efforts to combat ticket scalping near arena
I don’t think people like the “harassment” aspect of it. Namely, getting right out of the train station and being bombarded with people yelling TICKETS!? TICKETS?! BUYING TICKETS? TICKETS TO SELL? and so on and so forth.
I do like the street music though. I think there was a guy playing Bowie on Sunday.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
As a kid from NYC who rode the subway to first grade, during the height of Crack’s popularity in the 80’s, I suggest that what the The Phone Booth scalpers are doing couldn’t be farther from harassment.
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I agree, but to white suburbanites from NOVA with small children, I can imagine it’s pretty intimidating.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's buyin? Who's sellin?
I actually rather enjoy watching them at their craft. If you’ve ever actually watched a few of them for a few minutes- it’s clear that it’s a cartel. There is definitely 1 main dude, and his flunkies run the show. He has the final say, however.
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You gotta run to a window and say: "Hey, these floors are dirty as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"
Don’t know about scalpers, but there is a bizarrely high level of hatred for the guy selling knockoff hats.
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I think my favorite was the one about having cleaner bathroom mirrors, to which he responded with
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by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Warmer pizza = oven temps have been turned up.
Like Ted was just going around to the concession stands explaining to people that the ovens had a higher setting. Cracks me up.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 7, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
During pre-season, I did notice food managers testing food temperatures with a thermometer.
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And urging their employees to serve more quickly.
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Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast.
Tomorrow: separate boy threads and girl threads.
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
And…sorry. That was my fault, I really do apologize. Next time I’ll post a Fanpost entitled “Red Rockers: Yay or Nay?”.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t say they’d be equal – ours will be better, because it will include objectifying women, bodily function humor and discussions centered on eating tasty animals and washing them down with copious amounts of alcohol.
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Chiggity check yo’self before you REC yo’self.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Whatever. Ladies, remember that infamous Friday night thread filled with bubbles? :)
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Even this member of the opposite sex remembers it well.
Which begs the question: Does Manscot = Red Rocker?
OMG
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Please don’t apologize. I just got back from some meetings and have been thoroughly entertained. The real amazing thing is that there isn’t one post that reads “please take this to OT.”
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I didn’t even realize it had been my fault. I am so sorry — and I completely support your position, Becca.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, Brown v. Board of Ed only struck down “separate but equal” in the realm of education. So we’re good.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I be part of the boy’s thread?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and Becca killed a guy with a trident.
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by Boggles on Oct 7, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I’d be all for getting rid of that mangy bird…but for other reasons, more closely related to what is actually a deep-seeded fear of mascots. And birds.
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No, Slapshot is like every other DC mascot that’s an eagle derivative (of which there are too friggin’ many).
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Toss Talon, Screech and Glory into the mix, and Mike Tyson could go back to taking care of birds in cages.
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And to think, it all started so simply.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, Alex Ovechkin takes lots of slap shots on the PP. I guess Hawerchuk can’t wait for the season to start.
From the Yahoo! article:
….veteran defenseman Tom Poti(notes) said. "There’s always at least five-to-seven new guys on every team I’ve ever been on over the years. I think it’s a good thing. We all know each other. We’re used to each other. The less new guys, the better."
Brings up a point about last spring. The players noted that the winning streak in Jan/Feb had a lot to do with the same team going out every night. Bringing in two new forwards and a new top 4 D at the trade deadline last year, causing the subsequent line shuffling. I wonder if it caused more harm than good?
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is it just me, or is Poti suddenly doing more media availability this season?
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A two-year contract extension makes one feel much more outgoing, I’d imagine. Expansive, even.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You can add Brooks Laich to the phoner list (on 106.7 at 1:30).
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Thinking about that list, what do people think about some of the things the hated Penguins do? For example, having team members deliver to some season ticket holders. And I just saw Wysh forward a tweet that Bylsma was delivering coffee and donuts to kids on the student rush line. It’s not like they need to goose ticket sales either.
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I’ve loved the fact that they deliver season tickets (although I’d absolutely pass out if I got picked as one of the STHs who got their tickets that way). Say what you will about the players on that team and the organization at large – and I can say a lot – but they get the fan outreach thing, if nothing else.
You know, when they’re not trying to move the team to Kansas City.
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I think that’s pretty awesome. Maybe it’s because I have a grudging fondness for Bylsma.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Season Ticket Holder Party
I got my tickets (2) yesterday and cannot use them. If you want them, let me know (email in my profile). The catch is that you have to pick them up from me in downtown DC sometime today or tomorrow. Preference to someone who also wants some of my game tickets (see Rink Rat Ticket Exchange).
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I should add that you can also get them from me at or around the game Saturday night.
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 7, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone care to look up major changes to the Red Wings roster from 05-08? Seeing as they progressed:
05-06 Lost in Conference Quarterfinals
06-07 Lost in Conference Finals
07-08 Stanley Cup Champions
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Now THERE’S a team that didn’t have to worry about going 7 games with anyone!
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Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Zetterburg, Holmstrom, Samuelsson, Franzen, Cleary, Filpulla, Hudler, Kronwall, Maltby, Ozzy. All were on the team during the 05-06 season and the 07-08 season.
Our returning players from 08-09:
Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green, Fehr, Bradley, Flesichmann, Semin, Laich, Steckel, Gordon, Schultz, Poti, Erskine, Varlamov. (Alzner, Neuvirth).
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Oct 7, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Green Psychologist
This seems like one of the best off-season moves this year.
“I think I’m in a good state right now,” Green said. “I worked on myself over the summer. I talked with sports psychologists on how to prepare myself to play in the playoffs. I’m ready to go. I’m a confident player right now.”
I love ThugLife52, but he has always needed a psychologist. He gets too worked up over mistakes and tries to change his game. Hopefully this psychologist is with him the whole season, specifically when playoffs roll around. Just keep it simple and play your game Mikey.
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I’m starting to hear more and more of this from the guys:
“You need to prepare yourself to play the way you’re gonna play in the playoffs all season”
Brads said something similar yesterday w/ the Junkies, too. I like it. Obviously talk is cheap but they’re saying the right things right now – things they weren’t saying last year – and that’s a start. It really feels like they learned the right lessons after last year. How far that takes them of course remains to be seen.
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I hope this isn't the doctor he consulted in the off season

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory
by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
If he went that direction, let's hope he went with
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
talk is cheap
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can they PLEASE have the opportunity to actually play a few regular season games before echoing that cliché? It’s not like you’re wrong. But they haven’t had the opportunity to play a game worth even 2 points yet.
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Is that a cliche or a meme?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. And they won’t have the opportunity to play a game that demonstrates that they know how to play “playoff hockey” until April.
All I’m saying is that I bet someone with more time than I could dig out some pretty similar quotes from last fall (and the one before it) about how you can’t just expect to flip the switch in the spring, etc.
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I agree with Boggles. Obviously we don’t know – I’m merely pointing out that compared to last year and the year before, they’re saying new things. It has to start somewhere – the more cynical among us will point out that they’re only words and mean nothing, but I choose to believe that a change in what everyone’s saying means a change in how they approach the playoffs.
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they’re saying new things
See dcsportsfan1 below.
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I just did – and I was about to reply that it’s not the same. At least it doesn’t sound the same. For one thing, he had someone help him with the mental prep. For another, he said last year that you have to get into the right mental state but that’s not the same (in my mind) as using the regular season to prepare for the playoffs.
Whatever. Cynical bastards, all of you :P It’s no fun to be a fan if you’re going into every season expecting the worst.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s no fun to be a fan if you’re going into every season expecting the worst.
How would you know? Doesn’t sounds like you’ve ever done so.
And actually, it’s often more fun – expect the worst and sometimes you’re pleasantly surprised or, at worst, things turn out as expected; expect the best and you’re usually disappointed and, at best, things turn out as expected.
Pessimism4Life!
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
How would you know? Doesn’t sounds like you’ve ever done so.
Oh, come on now – I know I’m usually the wide-eyed optimist of the bunch and I embrace that role, but I’m a lifelong Caps fan just like you. Of course I’ve gone into seasons expecting the worst…when I had reason to. Do you really think I went into the 05-06 season thinking “gee whiz, this is THE YEAR!”
I mean, for starters…I rarely say “gee whiz”.
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by Becca H on Oct 7, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Caps are moving to Winnipeg?!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Double rec on your closing statement.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
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Can’t say how much I agree with this statement BP. RECognizes the truth.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
And to clarify, it’s not that I go “into every season expecting the worst;” but I’m certainly not building hopes that very likely could get torn down later.
Just trying to be drinkably Zen about every year.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
See, for me it’s more of a game-by-game basis. There are games I dread, regular season and playoffs, and games for which I mentally prepare myself for and expect the worst – I just don’t think it’s entertaining to look at an 82-game stretch (and however many playoff games come after that) and think there’s nothing new, nothing’s changed and there’s no way this team gets over the hump.
There’s zen and then there’s needless pessimism, and the latter holds no allure for me.
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Aw, does that mean I get hugs and drugs from both of you? :D
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I can manage that….as long as you aren’t afraid of Canadian cooties ;).
You lived in Montreal awhile so you’ll be ok.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes and yes, provided I can find a lookout.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, I don’t ever want to experience that again. That was awful.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Correctamundo.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So…Easter Epic and what other game, was it Pittsburgh or Tampa? And yes, I’ve completely forgotten and yes, I’m too lazy to look it up.
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Yep. Tampa was 3.
As one who looked it up: 2-7 in games lasting longer than one OT? Yeesh.
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it’s never too early for the good stuff. Be sure to dress to impress. That’s a fancy bottle you’re taking out. :-)
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How many teams have gone at least three overtimes in a Game 7 only to LOSE a series ON HOME #@$%IN’ ICE?!?!?!?!
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I agree with Becca. I can’t start the season in a pessimistic frame of mind. The guys get asked the same questions so I expect a certain similarity in their responses. How many ways can one say, “we have to try harder” or “we have to just play our game”?
I consider the context of the words. The whole mood to the start of this season is different, not just the tenor of the words. There was a sense of expectation or even of entitlement last year. Now the vibe is one of seriousness and of thinking ahead to playoff style even in October. Just the fact that weak areas such as the PK are being addressed or that a rookie player chosen for defensive rather than offensive prowess for the roster tells me the team attitude is different.
Obviously we have to see how the guys handle the season, but it’s clear that they are all still smarten’ from last season’s ouster. There are no perfect words for how they will achieve. They will just have to show us.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope this year’s Caps are both showers and growers.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
again. that’s a truism not an argument. Every team that’s ever lost/failed to improve says these things. Not just the Caps. Some teams actually improve most don’t. And they have to do the actual playing first in order to find out which the Caps will be this year.
It’s a heads vs. tails things. Each individual time should be completely separated from the previous occurrences, if only b/c the opportunity for change is new each season. *goes off and grabs his pollyanna sunglasses.
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Very true.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like regular season hockey. It’s fun to watch.
I plan to enjoy myself between now and April.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
“They really don’t have much. They really don’t.”
“Just watch me.”
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Fuck. Yes.
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How have you grown as a defensemen since you came into the league and how will you continue to grow this year?
When you play you gain that experience and you learn that much more. Last year was no different for me and a lot of the other guys. For this year, I think if we take it day by day and not look too far ahead and make sure we’re doing the right things day-to-day. Time comes in the playoffs where you don’t have that much time so you’ve got to make sure that you’re mentally prepared.
Bruce Boudreau said he thought you were unfairly scrutinized in the playoffs. Does that give you any extra motivation?
When you don’t perform up to your abilities, you should be [scrutinized]. The way things went in the regular season compared to the playoffs, I was asking myself the same questions. You live and you learn and you move on, as a player, as a person, you just make sure you don’t make the same mistakes.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 7, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Players saying the right things, particularly on the Caps, at this point means nothing to me. I know I’m echoing the talk is cheap crowd, and they haven’t even played a game yet this season; but this isn’t the first time someone seen as a leader has said the right things, and many times before they have failed to back it up. One of the best ones that comes to mind off the top of my head comes from a fan-favorite – Brooks Laich. He did have that famous bakery quote, and while it is the right thing to say, and the right thing to do, he has never followed through with that mentality consistently.
This team seems, to me, to be PR wizards. They know what to say, and when to say it, for the most part. But when it comes to execution they fall woefully short. (Maybe a bit of hyperbole there).
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 7, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
TEB on Neuvirth
From JRR, 26 June 10 (starts around 26:00)
TARIK: …George is gonna have to part with some of his top prospects. I mean everyone says…
PEPPER: Especially goaltending, right? He’s got three goaltenders…
TARIK: That’s exactly what I was getting to, y’know? At some point, you’re going to have to decide which of those three are gonna be your two. One of them is going to have to go. If I had to bet right now, I’d go with Michal Neuvirth. I think the Caps are in love with Semyon Varlamov and I think they think Braden Holtby is going to be very good, and I think that they feel like Neuvirth is also gonna be a very good goaltender. But there are a few question marks there in terms of attitude and work ethic, and a few things that, you know, I mean, there are some concerns there. That said, it looks like they are going into the season with Neuvirth and Varlamov, and I think what they’re going to do is see if the two kids can do it.
Later (starts around 27:20)
PEPPER: It’s interesting what you say about Neuvirth and his work ethic. I mean, for what it’s worth, I remember seeing him at the Caps Convention, and he was totally checked out the entire time. But, y’know I mean it’s not the greatest thing the players wanna do. In another sense here, you’re kind of selling Neuvirth high, I think he’s at the peak of his marketability at this point.
TARIK: Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, y’know he’s won two straight Calder Cups, he was an MVP one year…uh….I mean….yeah…you’re exactly right but I think, it’s a…a complicated situation. You’ve kinda gotta give him, y’know, a full look and make sure that if you trade Michal Neuvirth, a year later you realize you traded the wrong guy….
PEPPER: Look what happened with Olie Kolzig…
TARIK: Exactly. And let’s face it, Semyon Varlamov, while he’s shown flashes of brilliance, he’s also had a few rough patches, he’s had some injury problems, and Michal Neuvirth also has a bum knee, so, y’know, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them start the season with those two guys and then ride it out and see how it goes and then if it’s not working, bring in a veteran goaltender at some point. But with those three assets in goal, at some point you’ve gotta move one. I mean, poor Holtby…what’s he thinking now? With these 22 year olds in front of him? You know, he’s gotta be thinking, man, when am I ever gonna get my shot? You know, he’s still a young kid, but it’s gotta be a little depressing for him to see the two guys in front of him be only 22 years old.
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Nice work.
Still, it’s not quite the ringing damnation I was expecting.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I think this is the takeaway:
But there are a few question marks there in terms of attitude and work ethic, and a few things that, you know, I mean, there are some concerns there.
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by J.P. on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, agreed. But that’s a long way from being detested I guess.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
No doubt. What I was noting (and asking for the transcription for) was in reply to the question above: “Was is TEB that implied that the Caps organization wasn’t happy with Neuvy’s work ethic at one point in time?”
This is the solid “yes” on that question.
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It also seems to make the idea that Tarik was biased against Neuvirth because he wouldn’t talk to him after a game one time questionable at best.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
If that’s what Vogs and Stretch said, I’d be inclined to believe it.
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Well, he might have a personal bias, but it doesn’t seem to come out in his writing at all. The comments he made on JRR are mild and don’t seem to betray a lasting personal grudge.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said, couple it with what Stretch and Vogs said and what Gordon wrote, and it paints a believeable picture, IMO.
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I disagree. I didn’t find what Gordon wrote to be very believable. At the very least, it’s hyperbolic. The whole thing Iis an incomplete picture at best.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
They flat out said Tarik was the original source for Gordon. They are saying that they know the origin of Tarik’s feelings, and that they know the generalities of the conversation in question. They also say, that it was essentially two reporters talking about how things were going in toronto, and Gordon used Tarik’s feelings and expressed opinions about Neuvy as the basis for questions to other teammates (unknown as to current or prior ones).
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I found his Osala remarks in that interview intriguing too. Referred to him as being “mentally fragile” and when things went bad for him, they had a tendency to “crash down around him”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Listening to it just now, he was trying to kind of “talk around” it. In his defense, this interview was also very, very early in the morning, to which he remarked something like “If I say something stupid, that’s the reason”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t accept that from a journalist. Either be at work or don’t. And “dancing around” a subject particularly offends me from a member of the press. Journalists, more so than other people, should either speak or be silent. The price of the protection of the press is the responsibility not to blur the line between fact and opinion.
/end of rant.
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They talked to me later in that show, no? Holy hell, was I hung over that morning…
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Yes they did.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe the phrase you’re looking for is “a fucking puddle.”
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Well, I usuallly use “puddle” to describe the before/during and “crippled” to describe the after. But yeah.
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Fair enough sir.
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I remember riding on the train with some folks who were heading to Sunday’s preseason game from MoCo and they were saying that Neuvirth was kind of checked out at this year’s Caps Convention. Is this accurate? Does that bother you guys at all? Doesn’t bother me too much, but I hope that it doesn’t affect his ability to connect with his teammates and be part of the team concept.
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Not in the slightest. Goalies are, as it is said, a different breed.
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It’s the team stuff that’s most important. You want to have vibe and a chemistry with your defensemen, especially if they are young defensemen who will need communication for positioning and strategy, correct?
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you can still have chemistry on ice with your d-men and be a prick the rest of the time. Patrick Roy has how many Cup rings?
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In his ears?
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t know much about Roy’s rep for being a prick given my newb status around here. But hey, it’s just win baby.
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Roy’s known for being an arrogant a-hole. A brilliant goalie, too.
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite “arrogant” moment of his is still when Colorado was getting blown out in MSG, so Roy just takes the puck and tries to skate up ice with it past the red line, spinning around Gretzky in the process. Hysterical.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Here you go….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429QFwN8Yy4
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Now that is some hilarious stuff!
A rec for you!
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That is the funniest thing I’ve seen in weeks. H/T to the announcers who kept in all in perspective. The reactions from players and coaches are priceless.
The ice will show everything.
Especially Marc Crawford .
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
but my favorite Roy moment ever was that Wings-Avs fight and Shanny came flying out of nowhere to make a flying tackle on Roy :)
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There are so many to choose from (/Scott Mosier’d)
I will always love “The Wink” to Sandstrom, sarcastically reacting to the fans cheers at the Forum when he came back in for Racicot, and the infamous “Statue of Liberty” Goal.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And the fights
vs Hasek, vs Vernon, vs Osgood
He hated Wings netminders obviously.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
every time I head Gary Thorne calling an Orioles game, I also hear, “THE GOAL COUNTS! THE GOAL COUNTS!”
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I still have him doing “THE COLLLLLLLLLLORADDDDOOOO AVALANCHE” after Krupp’s goal in 96 stuck in my head.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I also hear, “Got lucky there, didn’t mean to block that shot but it hit him.”
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Is that followed by “Ole Ole Ole”?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Mike Knuble’s first NHL game! Stapled to the bench while the brawl ensued.
You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
Shanny was also the guy who broke Knuble’s face, correct?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, years later. I’ll go pull it from the Bog archives
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here it is on youtube. you can barely see it at :07 mark. The replay starts at 3:10. Shanny may have broken Knuble’s face, but Shanny took the worst of it. Pretty terrifying hit, actually.
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If you’re worried about the young D, I’d just note that both of our two young D won back-to-back Calder Cups with Neuvy in net. I’m sure they are comfortable working with him.
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well, clearly. it’s not like they invite him to their ping pong matches.
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I thought he looked overwhelmed, rather than checked out.
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Not only that, but the kid’s 22. Can you imagine yourself at 22 being told to sit in a giant convention center and do nothing but sign your name for 12 hours?
Fuck me running, I’d look checked out, too.
Hell, I’d probably be drunk.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
No question. He looks comically confused in pretty much everything he does, most noteworthy, his Jumbotron video shot.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ha! I really think that these athletes earn the big bucks for the lengths of the seasons and the magnitude of media responsibilities as much as the scarcity of elite athletes. I wonder how many athletes would be willing to dial back some salary for some greater life balance to dial back both.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
I saw pics and video of his panel season about the winning the Calder Cup, and he looked checked out. I thought that was a little strange, but I didn’t attend that session, I went to the other one that was at the same time. I think it’s slightly different to check out when you are one of 3-4 guys on stage answering questions versus signing autographs, but then again, I don’t know that it matters as far as him performing his job and all. Maybe he just shouldn’t be the one to go out and promote the team.
I went to the panel this year and last year as well, and he seemed kind of aloof in both sessions. This year, AGordon and Alzner tried to set up Neuvirth to continue along with something (the plane ride back after winning last year, his new car, etc), and he would just give short answers. What I took from his attitude was that he’s just another goofy goalie. Not everybody can be like Laich or Bradley (or Gordon and Alzner for that matter) who are just outgoing and want to talk your ear off.
I believe in JC.
I think he’s insecure about his English-speaking ability.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Yes, but so is Varly, and he still managed to interact in some funny ways. Making a cuckoo sound to test the mic, thumbs up sign, smiling, claiming he didn’t need a translator and playing the straight man, Matt Bradley style. Neuvy speaks better English than Varly. More likely it’s just Neuvy’s personality, which I can’t blame him for. I wouldn’t enjoy speaking on a panel like that in front of a big crowd.
Some people just don’t enjoy the spotlight. Tough if you’re a professional athlete, but what can you do.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he’s just shy. He’s been in North America for a while and his English is very good. (You know whose English is amazing? Marcus Johansson. Perfect idiomatic fluency and only a slight accent. I’d imagine this speaks to the strength of their countries’ respective school systems.)
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure you learn English from day one in most Swedish schools. Our Swedish friends here can correct me if I’m wrong.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
Yes, but what you learn in school often doesn’t include idioms and slang.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true! Internet probably helps.
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
And TV.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 7, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that, but he is in a foreign country as well.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Imma looking through the archives, but i once posted a link to an interview with neuvi in Toronto for his draft. They asked him questions about himself. His favorite color was black, he only liked girls with dark hair, his music taste was death metal (or something similar) and he was totally emo. Even then he was not very connected to other ppl, it seems.
Don’t think that’s changed much, actually.
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I think I read that interview- or a similar one. I immediately liked him due to his penchant for all things dark. I’m about as far from emo as possible. But I do like vampires. Maybe he’s a vampire.
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Along that same note, I have a new respect for Ovi. In the letter that came with the Six Flags passes were instructions about autographs, and how Ovi’s line would be limited to “the first 450 people.” 450?? This will be my first year going to the STH party, but the videos from past years always show him as having fun on the rides. How he’s able to still have fun at these events is beyond comprehension to me.
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It doesn’t bother me. Not everyone on the team is going to be outgoing with fans especially at a large event that lasts most of the day. When I saw him he seemed like he was observing, but living in his own head (just like me :) ). I also saw him being trailed through the crowd by a group of autograph seekers. He stopped and signed everything. When he is hanging out with his teammates he seems more interactive.
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
I thought he was noticeably more engaged this year than last year. Which is still a lower level of involvement than most of the rest of the team — but when you’re at a table between Karl Alzner and Bruce Boudreau, you probably aren’t going to be the assertive one.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
As with most atheletes, if you perform well on the field/ice then your aloofness or bad attitude is accepted as being quirky or free spirited. If you perform poorly, you are just an ass hole.
Being a good guy off the ice buys you a bit more leeway if things go badly. But make no mistake, if he stops the puck more than 93% of the time and leads this team in the playoffs, nobody will care whether you signed an autograph or were a jerk to a reporter.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Wait
are you saying that if I win 20 in the show, i can let the fungus grow back on my shower shoes, and the press will think I’m ‘colorful’, but until I win 20 in the show, it means I’m a slob?
There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".
by redlineblue on Oct 7, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well I saw him at the rookies’s panel with A. Gordo and Alzner with BB moderating. I found Neuvy as entertaining as the others. Yeah he’s confident and that came through. But he didn’t come across to me as a jerk or disengaged with the audience.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops the Calder Cup panel. But maybe I’m a softie. His manner didn’t bother me at all.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 7, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the jury is still out on Neuvy (and Varly for that matter)
Mark French’s comments on Neuvy
"He came to me [before the series] and said, ‘Bernier is getting a lot of press.’ I said, ‘Yeah, yeah,’ and then he goes, ‘but I’m better,’ " Hershey coach Mark French said. "It was with a very straight face and he meant no disservice, but I think he took this series as a personal challenge.
"I don’t mean any disrespect to Jonathan Bernier – but Michal is very quiet and very motivated. Sometimes you misplace that and you don’t think he is that motivated."
From his Hershey coach’s comments, Neuvy is a very quiet individual. So if he’s not the most outgoing guy in the room at the Caps convention, maybe that’s to be expected. And maybe a season where he feels like he can get settled somewhere will make him feel more at ease.
My take on Neuvy’s two year extension was that the Caps probably don’t have any remaining questions about his work ethic. From his interview after the signing, he sounded happy with it and the opportunity to play for the Caps.
IIRC, we were discussing quotes by Varly after the WC that were much more controversial — about Laich’s hit on Ovi, among other things. I think there’s a little more fire behind that smoke, but I think the jury is still out on their maturity and manner for both of them.
Apparently, Varly has ruled himself out until next week, per Corey.
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pretty soon we’re going to have to nick-name him Wonky Groin. Sigh.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
i desperately wanted to draft neuvirth and not varly in our fantasy draft last night. but when you’re left with only $1 bids, what can you do?
Watching Duchene slip through my fingers hurt.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
The entire draft hurt…
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 7, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I found it thoroughly enjoyable though.
I bet my roommates were wondering why I was laughing myself silly all by myself at midnight though.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
That draft was awesome. I really want to start a year-to-year league with an auction, just to do that every time.
Off the top of my head, F&B snuck some really awesome picks onto that roster.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was a ton of fun.
There was a lot of great value once we got to the $1 party thanks to ESPN’s horrendous rankings.
By the way, who did you think I was holding out for last night?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you were waiting on Jesus H Carlson, but I couldn’t turn down Hedman with the PP time he may get with that unit this season.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I realized afterward that you probably meant Carlson, but even though I stole him with an extra dollar (suck it SME!) he wasn’t who I was targeting. Krejci was actually the forward out there I was willing to spend a few of my limited dollars on and I got him too.
Hedman is a good pick, but I think Kubina is gonna be their big gun on the PP. But in a keeper league Hedman is a great option.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
At worst, I think Hedman gets PP2 time, which is still nothing to sneeze at on that team. I’ll also bet he gets at least an audition on PP1, or shares the point with Kubina.
Nominating Whitney prevented me from getting one of Carlson or Subban, something I really, really regret today. I thought somebody would bite on it, but no-one did.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
That was pretty funny to watch.
Bueller? Anyone? Please?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Haha, that’s about how it felt.
The Parker Brothers bidding over each other all night was fantastic, too. I can’t wait to see that trash talk.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad we could provide some entertainment.
I knew Carlson was going to get snaked by K_C. I had it coming, with Lidstrom and … someone else, don’t remember who … Gionta I think.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, you got Gionta, but I wasn’t upset about that. I figured someone would take him and there were other good F options left. The last second bid on Lidstrom pissed me off.
Glad you enjoyed the show, Knee High. Maybe we’ll put our trash talk in public forums for this league.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck ESPN’s rankings. Such jackassess.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
You’d think you’d learn from last year. The rankings were so stupid, for all the $1 players they listed the bad prospects and retirees first and put real NHLers on the bottom.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, I just didn’t have time to scroll down fast enough because the nomination clock was so quick.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Yeah, I definitely felt like I figured it out too late and missed some good value because of lack of time.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Despite D’oh’s best efforts to bid up every player I wanted.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Heee heee.
I did get burned with Miller though.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Yeah, I had a ceiling on him I wasn’t crossing and you did.
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And then some.
I was trying to bid up and didn’t really think about it. It was also partly fear of missing out on any “elite” players.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
He can be had for a low, low price. But not Carey.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, I’m glad you bit on Hiller for your last pick. Kept you from snaking the goalie I actually wanted to get.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The Ducks are gonna be bad this year and probably next and consequently Hiller’s gonna eat it as far as wins are concerned. He’s still one of the best goalies in the league and should do alright in SV% and GAA, though. Dude’s 28 and a proven excellent goalie, though, so I’m okay with that.
If the Blues don’t take a big step forward this season, I’m really screwed. Having Halak, EJ and Backes makes that important for my roster to succeed.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still shocked no one picked up Ersberg when he got exposed to waivers.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that speaks to the supply of goalies and available spots on rosters more than anything else, really.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Who were you actually going for?
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemi. Hiller is a better goalie in real life, but Niemi will be great in W and GAA, and that’s 2/3 of the G stats right there. If you let me get Hiller for $1 I’d take him, but I wasn’t gonna spend more on him with other options for goalies on winning teams.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ehhh, unless Demers comes through in a big way, that team is going to surrender more shots and goals than it used to. I don’t trust Antti Niemi at all; even with Chicago, he couldn’t hold the starting job all season and his SV% and W count were pretty low, considering the circumstances.
The goalie I really wanted was Luongo, he’s a really excellent goalie on a really excellent team in a terrible division, but the bidding on him went absolutely nuts.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not crazy about Niemi, but the Sharks are still going to be a really good team so he’ll get his wins. He won 26 of 39 games last year, which is definitely not bad at all.
I would have preferred one of the top goalies as well, but with only 3 goalie stats and the volatility of a goalie’s stats for a given week I decided I wasn’t going to spend more than a few bucks on one. Once we got to the $1 range I was gonna go after guys on good teams instead of guys with good stats. Hence, Niemi and Turco.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
ATL needs to live up to their hype and LAK needs to not take a step back (hopefully a step forward) or I’m fucked in the goalie stats.
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If Quick is even starting halfway through the season. Bernier’s looked really good.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel pretty good about my goalies considering I spent a total of $2 on them. If I need to I got a lot of good young keepers to use as trade bait to get a goalie. Carlson, Subban and Keith just on my blueline.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 7, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody else getting shut down on gamecenter trying to watch Car/Min?
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
I think that games on Versus are not available on GCL, but I could be wrong.
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Carolina appears to have righted the ship.
4 – 2 Canes at the end of the second.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Carolina is trapping like a mofo…boring third.
Judging by the 4 combined goals, the second looks like it was fun, but I missed it.
Wild have had some chances that only stayed out of the net due to some real bad luck, though.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
1 – 0 Minny over the Canes.
Alpha Tango Delta Hotel Echo.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
But how will they look in April.
On the golf course.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for our first OTH thread of the new season?
by red army line on Oct 7, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Per Corey, 19 and 25 will wear the A’s on the road while 22 and 3 will wear the A’s at home. Which begs the question (from me anyway), with all the talk about 21 beign a future captain and all, why can’t he buy an A?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
It’s not uncommon for coaches to given guys the ‘A’ as a way to try and get them more involved and push them towards a leadership role. Maybe they figure some of the other guys (Poti, Backstrom) could use that push while Laich doesn’t need it?
Or maybe they asked Brooks and he turned it down in favor of the other folks.
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 7, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Very doubtful, IMO. Perhaps his status as a UFA at the end of the year did have something to do with it.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Hey, it’s Anze Kopitar!
Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.
by jordanDC on Oct 7, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm, interesting hypothesis. I would say that may be true on an up and coming team who needs to thrust their younger guys into a leadership role for the long run. The Caps may be young but not necessarily inexperienced and certainly not up and coming.
I think a team in the Caps position needs to clearly recognize those guys who demonstrate leadership now, either though locker room attitude or on ice performance or both. Maybe 25 makes sense from inside the locker room. Of all the guys who I thought would wear an A before 21, 25 was not on my short list, FWTW.
Backstrom was a no brainer.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
Apparently Chimera is a funny guy in the locker room. Could be that he was picked because he is friendly with most everyone and they like him, so they’ll listen to him. Plus he is a vet, a little older and more experienced than Backstrom and Ovie.
I agree with you that Backstrom needs to be a leader as he will be around for a long while.
Yeah, some guys just don’t need the letter to lead in some way and set an example. The letter can also be a reward for some hard working awesome guys that maybe aren’t going to get as much ice time as the coach would like to give them.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think it’s a seniority thing no? Knuble and Poti are the most senior members of the offense and defense.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
for a while, Poti was the guy who got the “A” when one of the others were out. The alternate alternate, I suppose. When Ovie was made C, Poti got “promoted” to full time.
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Just interesting trivia, I guess.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No argument on that. I find it a little surprising to do the home/road thing.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Helps spread around the leadership status, giving more guys a platform to be vocal in the room?
Just guessing, of course.
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Even if most of the comments diverted into a gender studies class?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Im upset we didnt talk about Masisak writing about DMG in his diary like we did last time. . .
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Yesterday, the kids at Japers’ Rink made fun of me for my typos and grammur errors. Doesn’t they know I’m under deadline pressure? It really hurt my feelings.
And David Getz still hasn’t asked me to the dance. Nobody will ever love me because of my typos.
Love,
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by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hope this isn't a trend...
But has anyone noticed there have been almost 80 face-offs in the Canes-Wild game and there’s still time left? I sure hope this isn’t becoming a trend where there will be more stoppages in play… (usually theres about 60 or so face-offs in a game….)
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Okay, it’s over 80 now… rather a lot really…
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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 7, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Stuff like this happens at the beginning of every season. The officials get a little over-zealous.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d chalk it up to beginning of the season stuff.
Are they playing on an international rink too?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Oct 7, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Final Score
4 – 3 ’Canes. So much for a wire-to-wire job for the Caps in the SE this year.
And the season is underway, which makes me so happy I can’t tell you.
Saw the highlights of the second period, looked like the ’Canes got one lucky one.
The Wild, on the other hand, had some glorious chances in the third that just bounced the wrong way.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I’m not terribly worried when Joe Corvo is playing nearly 25 minutes.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And Pitkanen is playing 27:30.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He did it the entirety of last season, so I’m not surprised, but yeah. I’d have a conniption if Green got that much time.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Desperate to get out of the gate with a win, I reckon.
Given their start last year, I can see it. But if they keep that level of TOI up, it’s stupid.
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
He was on my fantasy squad for exactly that reason, so I know he did it all year long. Unless McBain takes huge strides this season, it’s going to stay hella-high.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Just know that you’re going to eat some minuses and won’t get a huge number of penalty minutes, but he’s going to give you the league’s best production in ATOI and he’ll deliver on shots and STP. He’s good fantasy value, as far as I’m concerned.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, perhaps we might want to start a fantasy hockey daily thread so that we don’t clog up the Clips thread with these discussions?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Probably be a weekly thing.
Related, I can’t wait for the first OT Hockey thread of the season. Hockey’s BACK!
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably be a weekly thing.
Given the amount of fantasy leagues popping up, I could see the need for a daily thread.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Seeing as how many of us are in various leagues against one another, it’ll be interesting to see how we balance trying to look smart by making good fantasy projections and providing insightful commentary while also trying to avoid giving someone in your league that sneaky pick you’ve been waiting all week to get
Soon the Championship with be ours, all ours!
That’s strictly non-disclosure until it happens. Save the crowing until after you’ve completed the transaction. Trust me.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I had the same reaction. I’ve had Interstate Love Song in my head since he posted.
Serious guess: special teams play?
Special Teams Points; PPP and SHP consolidated into a single category.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Favorite tweet of the day, and I saw some good ones.
TheAHL He’s already won two. Oh… the other Calder. RT @TSNBobMcKenzie: Imagine if Michal Neuvirth wins the Calder — you never know.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I though this was pretty good, from TSNBobMcKenzie
New media, old media, @TylerGreenDC talks a lot of nonsense. So congrats, first block of regular season. As for unfollow, anyone feel free.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
We could use his vinegar to go along with some of the…well…
A very misguided piece on Huffington Post recently called 30 Rock the most racist show on television thanks to Tracy Morgan’s wild, manic, madcap performance. Tonight illustrated why whoever wrote that piece is full of shit and should be punched in the face until he has a more nuanced grasp on comedy.
Nobody at Roenicks rountable thinks the Caps can go the distance. They think it’s gonna be Sharks, Philthy, or Detroit (shocker, Detroit). Picking Philly to win the East. Interesting…
"...so the championship will be ours, all ours. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"
-Ovie
I appreciate the skepticism and it’s well-founded with Sergei Bobrovsky starting in goal for the Flyers on opening night, please leave the Philthy moniker out of your posts. It doesn’t add anything to your point and it does nothing to advance the discourse going forward.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 7, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Dude it’s a hockey messageboard. We aren’t talking about nitting sweaters with grandma. Are you really serious with that comment? I really hope you are kidding.
"...so the championship will be ours, all ours. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"
-Ovie
by Lloyd_Christmas on Oct 7, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, he’s a moderator.
The ice will show everything.
by cuqui on Oct 7, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This isn’t a typical hockey message-board.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 7, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
No, he’s not kidding. We don’t do that here. No “Crysby” either.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
psssst…it’s knitting.
Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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Is this another one for the instructional video?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay then. This definitely is not a place for me. I tend to like a little bit of light hearted jabs at our opposition. It’s all part of the fun. This guy must cry himself to sleep at night when he sees pictures of Crosby in the urinals at the phone booth. Good bye japers. Don’t let your caramel latte’s spill and stain your white khakis.
"...so the championship will be ours, all ours. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!"
-Ovie
White? After Labor Day? Surely, you jest.
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by winterion on Oct 7, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Caramel soy lattes.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
An elitist blog with an elitist commentariat, who knew?
A very misguided piece on Huffington Post recently called 30 Rock the most racist show on television thanks to Tracy Morgan’s wild, manic, madcap performance. Tonight illustrated why whoever wrote that piece is full of shit and should be punched in the face until he has a more nuanced grasp on comedy.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh great, now we’ve got to explain that you’re a moderator too . . .
"This guy is an android. He's not human....Oh my goodness."
by Sam DC on Oct 7, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, what the hell is up with these prude moderators anyway?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 7, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Bunch of homers, the lot of ’em.
A very misguided piece on Huffington Post recently called 30 Rock the most racist show on television thanks to Tracy Morgan’s wild, manic, madcap performance. Tonight illustrated why whoever wrote that piece is full of shit and should be punched in the face until he has a more nuanced grasp on comedy.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 7, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lloyd Christmas is just trying to stick it to the man.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 7, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Who are you?
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
by zephyr on Oct 7, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He was just over on CI complaining about Japers’ and how the moderators were stifling honest Caps’ discussion. I laughed because I think there is far less discussion and far more posturing over at CI. To each his own I guess. That poster has a tendency for hyperbole anyway.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 8, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Light hearted =/= childish name calling
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
by oldemystix on Oct 8, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs










































