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Olie related: the wife and I stopped at Clyde’s after the Con/before the after party and he came in and met up with Greg Smith and a couple of the other guys at the table next to us. He got interrupted once or twice during dinner, but always started off by saying, “Hi, I’m Olie” and giving them as much of his time without his food getting cold.

Not having seen him in awhile, being reminded that he’s the type of guy you’d hope he’d be was really nice to see.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s a great story. I’m glad Olie got to reexperience just how important he is to Caps fans.

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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?

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by capsyoungguns on Oct 4, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will long remember the ROAR that the phonebooth faithful offered 37 when he was in goal for Tampa. I mostly assume that players pay no mind at all to what transpires in the stands, but I just know that Olie heard and felt us that day.

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by redlineblue on Oct 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, it may not have helped that the “Olie Kolzig, Always a Capital” video montage played after he already let up 2 goals.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey loyalty’s one thing. Wings are another.

There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".

by redlineblue on Oct 4, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

if anyone hasn’t gotten a chance to listen to the recent radio interviews Olie has done, or watch the video that is with Corey’s article, do. He has so much pride in being a Capital.

do anyone happen to see him at the game Friday?

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovie related: the wife and I were driving on 66 yesterday around 3:30 or so and Ovechkin rode my ass in the passing lane, then when I moved over he proceeded to tear up the road back and forth until we hit traffic, then he actually drove down the shoulder in order to get to the next exit. My wife was like, “Who does that asshole think he is?” when I let him pass. When I saw the license plate I was like, “Actually, that asshole is the greatest hockey player alive.”

By the way, I have a Porsche and drive very fast. Ovie really is a maniac.

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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 4, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

He’s got places to be!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it!

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I used to drive that way until I realized that you only save a few minutes by driving like a maniac, and sometimes only a few car-lengths. Eventually, I calmed down and learned to enjoy my music and go with the flow. Perhaps Ovechkin will do the same one day, and learn to save his 6th gear for when it’s needed.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, I used to drive that way until I realized that you only save a few minutes by driving like a maniac, and sometimes only a few car-lengths I get everywhere faster on a bike.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear it, hippie.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

My bike is powered by my sense of self-satisfaction.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thaaaanks!

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   4 recs

I doubt Ovechkin is driving like that to save time. Probably more for fun.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure he’d say he’s just “being himself”.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to learn that the maturation process doesn’t preclude “being himself.”

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The team should hire you!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Getting Ovie to the next stage of maturation would be tiring, thankless, frustrating and could end in failure.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s in reference to the “love it” post

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love the anecdote, if not Ovechkin’s endangerment.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

as the person that responded with "don't love it"..

ovechkin’s driving worries me far more than anything else we’ve ever heard about his on- or off-ice behavior. literally profile after profile where he brags about his speeding.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why lie?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

his attitude towards the seriousness of speeding is what bothers me, not the fact that he didn’t lie about it. (and you know…the speeding itself.)

if there’s ever a serious wreck, literally everyone who’s ever known him will have seen or heard tell of the warning signs.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. More worrisome, this anecdote goes beyond speeding. It is agressive and wreckless.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a joking matter.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lighten up. This is an anonymous message board, not a public hearing.

That was a grammar joke, anyway.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec’d you for it, for what it’s worth.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

C’mon, dude, let’s not have a pissing contest.

I want to see AO grow up some…driving like a maniac on 66 makes it seem like he hasn’t. I don’t think it’s all that funny, either.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Allegedly driving on 66 like a maniac. Let’s keep that part in mind.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it was on the internet. It HAS to be true.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

You callin’ me a liar, Frank?

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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 4, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s stupid to be driving that way, too. I just don’t like being scolded.

And no question, Ovechkin and at least one other Cap(Chatty McChubbycheeks) have a fair amount of maturing to do.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

i thought your pun was funny, too. i’m a sucker for puns. let’s all be friends.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m with you, Natty. It’s one thing to put yourself at risk, its entirely another to put others at risk.

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by cuqui on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hard to believe his parents haven’t said anything to him about it. I don’t understand how anyone who lost a relative in an auto accident can be so cavalier about driving.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know GMGM and ted have both spoken to him about it.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just gonna say, driving in Europe/Russia (I assume Russia, anyway) requires you to have a certain sense of “anything goes.” I would imagine that he’s actually better equipped as a driver to deal with shit that happens on the road than many of us would be.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may have noticed this isn’t Europe/Russia. Remember, it’s not how good a driver you are, it’s also how bad are the other drivers? And unexpected crap happens on roads everywhere. And with all the construction in this area, it’s not easy to bail out when you have to suddenly screech to a halt.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Or when a first-generation driver decides they don’t want to wait behind the bus anymore and just pulls out into the next lane over without looking to see if it’s clear first.

/my commute every day
/way OT

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

As the parent of a 21 year old male, I wouldn’t be surprised if they say something to him every time he leaves the house, then say a little prayer.

Love to know how he got out of the city by 3:30. Traffic was the pits. Penn Ave was blocked off for a festival so I couldn’t get over to E Street, and Constitution crawled from 14th street to the bridge.

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is very, very Russian. When I drove in Moscow, I learned to make a third or fourth lane, whenever space allowed and to use sidewalks very liberally, either to drive through or park on.

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by STLSpidey on Oct 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish there was a negative rec button. That boy is going to end up mangled in a wreck one of these days. Hopefully, he won’t wipe out another family in the process.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Well done sir.

A very misguided piece on Huffington Post recently called 30 Rock the most racist show on television thanks to Tracy Morgan’s wild, manic, madcap performance. Tonight illustrated why whoever wrote that piece is full of shit and should be punched in the face until he has a more nuanced grasp on comedy.

by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of, I happened to be in Barnes and Noble last week, and because they re-arranged the store, found myself next to the sports books. Yes, they have a copy of that piece of work in the store. Barf.

Then again, next time I have time to spare, maybe I’ll take it over the to “library” section.

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Put a different book in front of it next time.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh, zing!

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or take it over to the Fiction shredder section

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by IRockTheRed on Oct 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beautiful.

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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 4, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way, I have a Porsche and drive very fast. Ovie really is a maniac.

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac? – George Carlin

To all the self-appointed driving police – get over it. There are better things in life to think about. He still has his license after living here for years so he can’t be that insane. Sasha Semin is the one getting into accidents.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably still has his license because the police aren’t ticketing him.

Sasha has gotten citations, Nicky too, but Ovie hasn’t? Suspicious.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are better things in life to think about.

i’m more worried about his driving than about his missing non-mandatory practices. seems like a worthwhile topic.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of those seems more relevant to this forum than the other, though.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

okay, i’ll stop here. but i do think the well-being of the captain (who happens to be on a 13-year contract) is pretty relevant to the future of the team on the ice.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

(and therefore relevant to this forum.)

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m obviously no stickler for On Topicness.. just telling you what I think others would probably tell you around here.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s safe to say that Gustafsson is done with the emergence of Mackan, Perreault, and Eakin.

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by caps crew on Oct 4, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Hard to say. 11 centers were taken in the first round of the 2008 draft (Gustafsson was the seventh of that group). Of the 11, only five have dressed for an NHL game, and only two have played in more than 35 games. It certainly is a troublesome sign for Gustafsson to be opening the year in South Carolina, but he’s only 20 years old, too.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, give him another 5 years, and he’ll still be a rookie the same age his dad was, right?

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not right.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oof, wonder who I was thinking of, then? Still, not even making Hershey is rough, and certainly not good for his confidence. I wonder if it’s even worth it to him to play in SC.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least he’d be getting used to North American rinks. And if he does well in SC, would he be one of the callups to Hershey?

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

His career has been derailed by injuries, which is better for him than having it derailed by poor judgment, or lack of desire, or just not being able to do it anymore an nobody knows why.

This is what recovery from bad injuries can look like sometimes. It’s still possible that all he needs is an extended healthy period to get back into it. Getting less likely every year, but still not out of the question.

The biggest problem with that draft pick was that the Caps knew about the injuries, and drafted him anyway — they really rolled the dice…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think that he’s without questions regarding his desire.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen the same pattern with a lot of young players who have serious injuries. The injuries are followed by confidence issues that manifest as tentative play. A lot of guys never get over that and are sunk (the tolerances for what makes someone an NHL player vs. a semipro being so strict). Some guys redefine their game and say, become grinders where they had once been skill guys. And some guys come back after a while and are suddenly themselves again, with full potential and effectiveness.

I’m definitely not saying that the odds are with him. But maybe a year of playing with no pressure at the ECHL is just what he needs. Who knows what could happen if he just puts together a full season at the pro level with no injuries.

Of course, we said the same about Finley last year, and he went and had yet another freak health problem…

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he’ll dominate the ECHL and get a boost.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, he didn’t dominate the Allsvenskan. I don’t see how he’ll dominate the E, either.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, it’s hard to be optimistic about this guy. At least SC has Dusty!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Leone indicated that he’d been pretty invisible in the pre-season games. Maybe his heart really isn’t in it any more. We don’t know how family pressure may be involved, too.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of assumptions there.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe = assumption. We’re all playing psychiatrist here.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just hewing to the known knowns here, he’s a first round pick that hasn’t stayed healthy, couldn’t crack Hershey’s lineup last year and is headed to the ECHL this year.

None of it screams “great future”.

He might turn it around, as Gouldie notes. Might not, either.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that they moved a 2 to move up to get him. And that jordan Eberle was on the board. And that it stinks of a pick guided by nostalgia. I think he’s probably never going to be an NHL player but if he is it will probably be a bottom 6 defensive role.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Looking back, I’m more upset that they took AnGus while John Carlson was still on the board.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing how many times they’ve lucked out on that (drafting Schultz but still getting Green, drafting Semin and still getting Boyd Gordon… ahem…).

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

As to the 2004 draft, the general understanding was the Schultz Green order was so they could get both of them based on the ‘intelligence’ reports as to Dallas’ draft board. If they had picked Green, the understanding was Dallas would have picked Schultz over Fistric, but that Dallas, as seen, was going to pick Fistric, the other stay at home D type, over Green. And it worked out :)

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn’t realize that. Good work then.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s my understanding of the situation from that time and what I heard later, but not sure if there’s anything out there on the internet to confirm it; maybe someone else can chime in and confirm if they recall things the same way.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely remember reading something along those lines.

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by red army line on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course, if they knew Green would be a Norris candidate, doubtful that they leave it up to Dallas’s whim.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone knew how good Green would become, he would have been taken 2nd or 3rd overall.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 4, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd, yeah. but 2nd, bumping Malkin to 3rd?

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the 2004 draft top 5 would be Ovechkin, Malkin, Green, Zajac, and Meszaros.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t take Meszaros over Schultz.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like Meszaros’s game, and he seems to be a much smarter player than Schultz.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d take Mark Streit (who went in round 9, FYI) over either of them.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know, i didn’t even look that far down the draft. I love Streit, but he, too, is a real late bloomer.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lolz. Schultz gets by on his smarts and Mesz is even softer than Schultz. He’s also pretty wildly inconsistent and very overpaid.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 1:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’d take Franzen over either in a heartbeat.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Pekka Rinne (round 8)?

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pekka looked pretty good last night, but the Caps were helping him out quite a bit by shooting at his chest.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

These are Franzen’s point totals for his 5 years in the NHL:

16, 30, 38, 59, 21(shortened by injury)

He’s a .5 points per game player in the regular season, and he’s 30 already. I just don’t see it.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, a guy like Green is rarer than a guy like Malkin, so I think it’s legitimate to at least consider taking Green 2nd in this imaginary scenario.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The haters might say Franzen should go higher.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regular season Franzen, no. Playoffs Franzen, absolutely.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I’d like to win in the playoffs, please.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

he was 24 when he was drafted. crazy.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean, drafting Eminger, right?

;)

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ay the timeI was pissed about it at the time. I coveted Carlson going into that draft. But we got him anyway so I’m cool. I’m just pissed that we could have gotten another stud and possibly saved our othe 2 (which would have allowed us to trade up to the early 2nd for another quality player). Ahhh hindsight.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Get the plapers get the papers.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t forget to smooth your tie when you say that, Jimmy . :-)

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not worth it to be upset since we got JC anyway. Now if JC had gone elsewhere….

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d forgotten about the pick they expended. Not good. If you’re moving up to get a guy, he better be damned good.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gustafsson update from SC (speculation)

I’m not sure where to post this, so here it goes…Gustafsson update from SC beat writer, nothing definitive but speculation about whether he’ll report to SC…

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by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is that today’s picture is foreshadowing, btw.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Perreault getting pushed down? Aww.

Bruce at least had some nice things to say about him after the game yesterday. He’ll be back.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

The most unfortunate part of it all is that MJ90’s contract clause to allow him to go back home instead of Hershey seems to play a noticeable part in who stays. Yeah he still had to outplay Perreault, but it seems to me like anything close or a tie would mean Perreault’s going on the Alzner commuting plan.

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Gordon’s waiver eligibility and etc etc. Poor Matty.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think some of the “poor Matty” sentiment might erode before long. I’m not sure from whence the impression comes that he’s all hard work and hustle. As Corey wrote recently (emphsais mine):

Another objective for Perreault is to remain in the good graces of Washington’s head coach. His play trailed off with the Capitals after a hot start, and Bruce Boudreau wasn’t happy with Perreault for more than just his on-ice performance.

"What goes on behind closed doors will stay behind closed doors, but I think Mathieu was a young guy who got caught up in the whole NHL thing," Boudreau said.

Not sure what a potential fringe NHLer is doing messing around like that…

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I for one didn’t know about anything like that

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that comment by Bruce was more a reflection of what happened last year, when Perri mysteriously came down with the flu/food poisoning, was held out of the Tampa game, and then sent down to Hershey. After yesterday’s game, while Bruce did said that his play trailed off late in the game, he thought it was due to him getting no help from the rest of the team, and that he was the the only one working hard.

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that quote most likely refers to the TB incident. Or it refers to more than just that. Definitely a quote from prior to yesterday, though, and I didn’t mean to imply otherwise (though are we sure that he’s focused and committed at this point?).

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, we don’t know. Although maybe when HBO shows up with the open mics we’ll have a better idea. I can tell you that at yesterday’s game, Matty was winning faceoffs and hustling more than any other player out there, including getting perfect passes to players with open nets, only to have them blow it (Bradley and Knuble). Kid seemed focused. Maybe Alzner can give him a pep talk (and tips on where the speed traps are on Route 15).

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can tell you that at yesterday’s game, Matty was winning faceoffs and hustling more than any other player out there

As well he should have been, given he’s trying to make the team. Which, of course, is part of the bigger question – he started off his lengthy call-up last year really strong, but that tailed off quite a bit. Can he sustain his best efforts over the course of an NHL season? I suppose there’s no way to know without giving him the chance, but my guess is that the grind grinds.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think lots of guys should have been playing with that mentality? Flash shouldn’t be playing like he wants to actually win the 2C job instead being handed it by his benefactor? Steckel and Gordon shouldn’t be playing like they don’t want to be the healthy scratch? I’d say at least half that roster had something to play for, even if it wasn’t quite as stark as what MP was playing for.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t think lots of guys should have been playing with that mentality?

Where’d I say that?

And please – when has there been any indication that Flash actually needs to earn the 2C spot?

As for Gordon, I think he’s been outstanding this pre-season (from what I’ve heard) and clearly is out to prove he should get a sweater every night.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You didn’t say that other players shouldn’t be playing hard, I’m just taking the conversation a step further. Bagace said MP was the only guy busting his ass and your response is “well, he should do that.” I don’t disagree that he should do that, but I think everyone should do that; so when not everyone is doing that, but MP is doing that, he should get credit. That’s all.

And yeah, minimal lip service, if any, is all that has indicated Flash will have to earn anything. Guess it was just wishful thinking.

I think Boyd Gordon should get a sweater every night, and I thought that last year. The only thing that should keep him out, IMO, is his back. Unfortunately I think it probably will keep him out a good bit this year again.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my cynicism whenever I hear “flu-like symptoms” I immediately translate it as “hangover”.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ol’ Irish Flu…

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I resemble that remark

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by kurlNdrag on Oct 4, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sounds like an immature kid who needs(needed?) to grow up a little bit. The Caps seem to have some issues with that.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the problem with having a bunch of young kids on the roster — we have to deal with their immaturity.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see why this upsets people so much. Give me the guy with upside ten times out of ten if the two guys in question are perceived to be close in ability.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Homeboy has paid his dues, is all.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keith Aucoin has paid much more in dues and we’re not crying over him being in Hershey.

Johansson is just the better hockey player. He might be ever so slightly behind MP right now, but by mid-season I don’t see that being the case any longer.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just afraid—in fact, pretty sure—MarJo hits the rookie wall towards the end of the season. If the Caps are relying on him then, they’re kind of screwed, especially if it’s after the deadline (which I fear it will be). He’s going from ~50 games to 80+, and I have doubts he’d be in shape for that in his first long season. MP is probably more suited to that.

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by red army line on Oct 4, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that’s a realistic concern, but being a 3rd-liner with his minutes managed should help. But I think the team will have a good handle on what’s left in MarJo’s tank before the deadline.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I expect they won’t be playing MarJo on an 80+ game schedule, with all the young guys coming up at center. There’ll be plenty of playing time for MP90, even if he starts in Hershey.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Bruce manage his players? He seems to do a very poor job of managing his players playing time, and I think there’s a case to be made that his team was tired going into the last 3 post-seasons. I don’t have that faith that MJ will not have his face planted firmly in “the wall”, that’s a big concern I’ve had for anybody taking that 3-C spot (not to mention Flash at the 2-C if we don’t get an upgrade at the deadline there, or the Carlnerson pair for that matter — tho lesser concern with those two)

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The one positive is that Bruce tends to ride just a few players, and that’s primarily the result of huge amounts of PP time for Green and Ovie and, to a lesser extent, PK time for Poti. I’m not thinking that playing time will kill MJ.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s gonna give Nicky 22-23 minutes per night and lots o’PK time, so that’s fine.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to freak out if he actually does that. I can categorically guarantee that Nick Backstrom will be more effective in the playoffs if he plays for 20 minutes a night instead of 23; even guys who are as efficient as Backstrom are are going to wear down under that kind of work load.

There’s no reason for this team to run its horses for 23-24 minutes a night. They ought to win the Southeast going away and consequently lock up that top three seed. Save the legs and the accumulated wear-and-tear for the playoffs, please.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

May as well freak out now. What on earth makes you think it won’t play out like that? Have you paid attention to Mike Green or Alex Ovechkin?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bitch about those two’s ice as well; I can kind of understand it with Green when you look at the bottom of the blueline, but with the forward depth the Caps have, there’s no reason that AO and Backstrom need to play 22-24 minutes a night.

I think a coach that harped on shift-length would be enormously beneficial at this stage in AO’s development. For all that Bruce does right, he really biffs that one. Maybe the Caps can swipe another DET assistant, a la McClellan in S.J.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see a DET assistant moving unless it’s for a head coaching job, so are you suggesting it’s time for BB to go?

I’d live with Green’s TOI more if the distribution was a bit more even throughout the game.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Bruce has coached himself out of job yet, but I think he got punished by Jacques Martin and Dan Bylsma in those playoff series. Further, it doesn’t look like he’s adjusting to what appear to be pretty glaring flaws.

I’m concerned that the Caps have gone from 4th to 7th to 11th in outshooting over Boudreau’s tenure. I love watching the offense, but that’s going to come back to bite if they hit a streak of low shooting percentage for whatever reason.

I’m concerned about accountability for some players. Flash may be well loved in the locker room, but he was rewarded for backing off his aggressive, physical play that resulted in goalscoring with the second line center gig, feeding a hot-as-balls Alex Semin. I’m 100% sure that Bruce knows AO shouldn’t be taking such long shifts, but it doesn’t look like there’s any accountability there, either.

I’m concerned that Boudreau is the wrong coach for this particular team; he did a great job developing his studs up to this point, but they may need a different style to take that next step.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Circumstantially, you’re making a good argument. The limits of the team’s success may very well be determined by the limits of Gabby’s strategy comprehension and player management. And if BB really doesn’t know what Corsi Numbers are than your contentions go from reasonable to quite probable.

My question is, IF Boudreau doesn’t know what Corsi stats are, then how GMGM not know that Boudreau doesn’t know these things? Stats—whether you’re a believer in their importance or not—can’t just be ignored. Stats are used as part of contract negotiations, judging if line-up changes are working or needed, they help players figure out what needs work in their game. How is it possible that NOBODY ever mentioned them to him before?

I had to leave the convention to give one of my dogs medication so I missed his Q&A, but does anybody who was there think it’s possible he was playing the idiot card as a joke? He’s done it before, I just can’t think of why he’d do that to the fans at the Convention.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Boudreau said something about not knowing what Corsi is?

by Ginga on Oct 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only heard about the corsi bit at the convention secondhand but BB has said on other occasions that he’s a stats guy. I really don’t believe he is ignorant of corsi. So he was probably joking at the time.

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by capsyoungguns on Oct 4, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he overplayed first 3 lines in the last game of the Montreal series. And it pissed me off so much. If you look at our 4th line, you see players that raise their game in the playoffs and can decide the series. Just look at Bradley. So its a concern, for sure.

by aleand on Oct 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zetterberg and Datsyuk do ok in the playoffs (and farther into the playoffs) after being relied on heavily in those same situations all year. I think Backstrom is capable of the same, and it will greatly help the team in the playoffs if he’s able to help the PK by gaining that experience during the regular season.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally speaking, they’ve also played about 20 minutes a night in the regular season.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

And generally speaking take shorter shifts (at least shorter than Ovechkin). I think shift length is also extremely important.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So true. Watch the Red Wings in the playoffs, and you see how short their shifts are.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huge, huge point. Detroit is fanatical about keeping the shift lengths down; it takes much longer to recover from two 60 second shifts than it does from three forty second shifts.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And an XKCD link to boot. Awesome.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

“You can’t turn it on and off,” and you can’t try to slide into the playoffs on cushy play, and then expect to know how to crank up the effort to 11 for a long, grinding postseason.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s not an issue of effort, it’s an issue of ice time.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if anything, less TOI would translate to higher effort while on the ice.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you haven’t had to dig deep after 22 mins of ice-time in the regular season, you may not know how to in the postseason.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that all of the players in question have had to dig deep in their professional careers before.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

More likely: if you’ve had to dig deep 75 – 80 times in the season, there’s nothing left in the tank when April rolls around.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don’t see your logic. If you can’t “dig deep” because you’re tired, you need to better conditioned. If you can’t “dig deep” because you don’t know how and you’re in a Stanley Cup playoff game, you shouldn’t be a professional hockey player.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And these guys were all playing 30 minutes a game in the minors or in college. They don’t roll 4 lines in the “Q”.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although they also got away with a lot more floating at that level because of their skill.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you can’t "dig deep" because you don’t know how and you’re in a Stanley Cup playoff game, you shouldn’t be a professional hockey player.

That’s not true. You just need to play on the Leafs.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or have BB as your coach.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you can’t "dig deep" because you don’t know how and you’re in a Stanley Cup playoff game, you shouldn’t be a professional hockey player

You can extend that logic to any aspect of the game. Why let Ovechkin lay big hits during the regular season? Save your energy for the playoffs! Dump and chase is too tough on guys’ bodies. Only run that system when it counts!

Point is, you forget things that you haven’t practiced recently. You can’t expect to be ready to play your best hockey if you haven’t actually practiced it, and recently. Having accomplished something years ago doesn’t mean you can recall that ability at any moment.

If Fehr plays 12 minutes a night every night of the regular season, don’t you think it would be difficult for him to play at the same level if he has to skate 22 minutes a night in the postseason?

There has to be moderation here, though. You can’t overwork players in the regular season. But you can’t hold them back to the point where they’re not prepared to give 100%, either.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can extend that logic to any aspect of the game. Why let Ovechkin lay big hits during the regular season? Save your energy for the playoffs! Dump and chase is too tough on guys’ bodies. Only run that system when it counts!

I think our fundamental disagree is on what the nature of “digging deep” is. I see it as an issue of conditioning and drive/mentality. If I’m reading you correctly, you see it as a skill that needs to be practiced.

If Fehr plays 12 minutes a night every night of the regular season, don’t you think it would be difficult for him to play at the same level if he has to skate 22 minutes a night in the postseason?

Probably, but going from 12 to 22 minutes is a jump of ten minutes and 83%, and going from 20 to 22 is a jump of two minutes and ten percent. If Fehr was playing 12 minutes a night in the regular season, I’d expect him to be able to play either 14 minutes or just over 13 in the playoffs.

In any case, it’s hard to argue that Boudreau couldn’t do a better job of managing minutes. Even with the approach you’re advocating, some of his decisions make no sense.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think our fundamental disagree is on what the nature of "digging deep" is. I see it as an issue of conditioning and drive/mentality. If I’m reading you correctly, you see it as a skill that needs to be practiced.

I think it’s a mentality… One that needs to be practiced.

I agree 100% the Boudreau has been overworking key guys, though. 30 minutes for Green or 25 for Ovechkin, that’s way high. He shouldn’t let them regularly stay out for so many minutes, or for such long shifts.

However, once in a while, in a big game, you need to let your best players carry the team with long minutes. The coach shouldn’t be indicted every single time this happens. Only if it happens too often, which has been the case.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

In case, I completely (or at least almost completely) agree with you. A heated game against the Penguins, Flyers, or even Lightning in December, I have no problem with the big guns up front playing 23 minutes or Green pulling 28, and I wouldn’t really like to hear the Ovechkin was pulled off the ice after 20 minutes in that situation. It’s just things like Green skating 28:30 in the last game of the season, a meaningless games against Boston, that drive me nuts.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as those are maximums instead of means (and the variance is good sized), I’ll be a happy camper.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Fehr averages 12 minutes a night, he’s getting 8 some nights and 16 others. Even if Green averages 22 mins a night, due to injuries and lots of PPs and other factors, he’s going to top 25 or even 30 a few times too.

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by red army line on Oct 4, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, as much as people here get on Mike Green for his conditioning, and for disapearing in the playoffs, he plays WAY too many minutes. Yes there are other defensemen who play a ton of minutes, but how many of them have a game based on speed the way Green does? How many of them take the puck deep into the offensive zone as often as he does and have to skate all the way back if they lose possession?

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by Doncosmic on Oct 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And how many of them pout when they get played against physically?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying he’s without blame, I’m just saying he might play better if he wasn’t so overused in the regular season.

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by Doncosmic on Oct 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just piling on to the “needs to mature” sentiment.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He managed the call-ups’ time, including MP, very well last year.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps his management of the kids is better, but I still am afraid a rookie is going to hit the wall no matter how well you manage his time. It’s just a matter of how much…

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d not hesitate to agree.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

How you can not disagree with that… it’s… o wait… (carry the one)…. oh that means you agree! Cool.

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly, BB’s just planning out his playing time in advance. He knows Perreault wouldn’t get enough time if he was on the 3rd line, that’s really why he goes back to Hershey and Mackan gets the 3C job.

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

rickity-rec it

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hint: MP is just a phone call away if Mackan needs a rest.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to work my way through the roster juggling that would require, assuming the club carries 14 forwards, and the HS guys are King and Gordon/Steckel.

Can they give MarJo the old non-demotion demotion? The kind where he’s on Hershey’s roster but stays up with the big club?

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But how would he get any playing time if he got a non-demotion demotion? And I would think he’d need playing time in order to improve.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time far lesser players than MP have been rewarded for paying their dues and rushing a 19 year old is generally not a good idea. Unless you think Mackan is such a bluechipper that he can produce at 19 then it makes sense to let him mature and develop another year. If he didn’t have the SEL option I don’t think this would even be much of a debate.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here’s my thinking: MP has been marginally better offensively than Mackan, while Mackan has been marginally better defensively. MP is better at faceoffs, but does not kill penalties, whereas Mackan sucks at faceoffs, but can kill penalties.

If I were the Caps, I think I’d be more confident in my ability to get Mackan to a passable level on faceoffs than my ability to teach MP to play defense. Either of these two would start at #3C behind Backis and Flash, so defensive prowess probably has a slight priority.

Beyond this, Mackan has the higher ceiling and the ability to return to the SEL. I’m not stoked about burning a year of his ELC unless he’s really ready, but from what I saw the other night, he looks as ready as he’ll be without more North American experience.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would I be saying the same thing you just said if I said: “if the opening is for a 2C, take MP. If the opening is for a 3C, take Johansson” ?

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by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

More or less.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although I think that Johansson will be the better #2C as well before long. Perhaps even before New Year’s.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but he is only 19. That’s a tough age to be an impact player and I don’t think Mackan is that kind of guy. He’s doubling his schedule, playing better competition, and he wasn’t exactly getting tons of TOI in the SEL. I don’t think we should be that optimistic about his production/contribution this year. Remember Ice Warrior’s FanPost earlier in the summer?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

After watching him in person, he looks pretty special. Admittedly, it was against the Providence Bruins.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still haven’t seen him in person but I’m still extremely impressed with his acceleration and poise. He’s also much more mature defensively but I think he still has quite a bit of work to do offensively.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but he is only 19.

He’s turning 20 on Wednesday! Woo.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams have, for the most part, have given up on the “paying your dues” roster spot, wouldn’t you think? There are plenty of 30-year-old AHL players who put up good minor league numbers that won’t see a minute of NHL ice-time because, dues or not, they would fail miserably against much better competition.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree when you talk about vets and I’m not a fan of rewarding dues with roster spots. I’d reward performance. But it seems undeniable that the Caps have rewarded dues in some situations and that MP deserves it as much as those guys.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If he didn’t have the SEL option I don’t think this would even be much of a debate.

And I don’t think this would be much different. I think a strong argument can be made that playing and practicing with NHLers will benefit Johansson’s development more than sticking him in a league full of plumbers.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe. But lots of people here have expresed that Mackan should ideally start the season in HER. With that option seemingly off the table it pretty much forces MP down. I don’t think its crazy to suggest that MP should get a longer look in the NHL to see if he has taken that step. Would him lighting up the AHL really prove anything to you? At this point the only question is whether he can handle NHL competition.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Would him lighting up the AHL really prove anything to you?

Yes, actually. In my mind, if a guy’s going to be a legit scoring line center in the NHL, he should be able to stand out at the AHL level. Has Perreault done that yet? Not really. A dominant stretch or season down there would show that he’s still progressing and not plateu-ing.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty dominant stretch in the playoffs.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

And somewhere, Chris Bourque is attempting to seduce a Swiss woman.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the playoffs in which he was the sixth-leading scorer on a juggernaut?

Tomas Fleischmann was a dominant AHL player. Mathieu Perreault has not yet been one.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you sure?

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was there an Aucoin/Giroux on Flash’s team? I don’t know how MP compares to other 2Cs at the AHL level but he didn’t get the high quality ice and still produced.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good luck, friend.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was there an Aucoin/Giroux on Flash’s team?

There was a Giroux. His name was Alexandre Giroux. There were plenty of players on that team.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok. Hard to argue against Flash’s production but I still think that Mackan would benefit more from time in the AHL than MP would.

If MP goes to the AHL and lights it up, everyone is still going to say “yeah but he’s small and won’t do that against the NHL competition.” It’s not even about the numbers with MP. His skill is obvious. I don’t think there is anyone that could watch him and doubt his pure talent. It’s going to go back to the same stuff people have held against him since he started playing hockey. The only way he’s going to prove any of that is to do it in the NHL.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If MP goes to the AHL and lights it up, everyone is still going to say "yeah but he’s small and won’t do that against the NHL competition."

I disagree. If he goes to the AHL and lights it up, he’ll be making an even stronger case for a longer look at the NHL level. He has not, to date, “lit it up” at the AHL level.

Here’s another, related question – if not for the potential/upside that MP has, is there any reason he should be here and Keith Aucoin shouldn’t? Aucoin has lit it up in the AHL…

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn’t impressed as much as MP has in their stints with the Caps?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aucoin has 11 points in 21 games as a Cap, Perreault has 9 in 21.

Of course, points don’t tell the whole story, but Aucoin has certainly impressed, in terms of production, pretty much on par with Perreault (without the off-ice concerns).

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

points don’t tell the whole story

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you agreeing with me.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aucoin has had long term looks in the NHL before he was with the Caps. Is there any reason Alex Giroux doesn’t deserve to be in the NHL? Yeah. He’s proven he can’t be an impact player there. I feel the same about Aucoin. He’s OK for a spot call up, but he’s not good enough offensively to play top 6 and he’s not good enough defensively to play bottom 6.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, so the reason Perreault deserves to be here before Aucoin is that Aucoin is a known commodity whereas Perreault is not, necessarily. Not because Perreault is a markedly better player than Aucoin, but because he might be. But he hasn’t demonstrated that at either the AHL or NHL level.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, he hasn’t demonstrated it at either level, but he’s also 22. Where was Aucoin at age 22? Playing D III. I think it’s fair to say that MP has more raw talent than Aucoin does, and that he has more of a future than Aucoin (potentially). I just don’t see why you’d write off a guy like that.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who’s writing him off? I agree that he potentially has NHL upside that Aucoin doesn’t have. And I think that he could use some more time honing his craft in Hershey.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d rather have him doing that with third line NHLers than with second like AHLers.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretend I can type as fast as I can disagree and I become a lot more credible.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s understandable – and the exact same way I feel about Johansson.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s room for both if one plays wing!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if we don’t keep a Gordon.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’ll clear waivers and I’d say he has a much lower ceiling at the NHL level.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You keep saying Gordon will clear waivers, but you never say why. From the perspective of another team if there a young guy who put up the kind of numbers he did last year, can play multiple roles, and has a good reputation character-wise, why not take the chance? Why would you assume all 29 other teams are going to pass?

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many guys have been claimed off waivers so far? Is Gordon the best player in the AHL that has been or will be subjected to waivers this season? I don’t think he is.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many players have been claimed isn’t relevant, nor is whether better players might be waived in the future, what could be relevant is whether guys with more value than Gordon have been waived.

Do you think there have been any?

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again, I think it boils down to the fact that you see Gordon as more valuable than me. We can’t do this every time waivers come up in a discussion!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I can buy that. I just don’t think there’s any reason to fast-track Mackan like that.

There’s also the entire undertone that the reason MP is going to have to go to the AHL is because of waivers, and that isn’t an issue of earning a roster spot.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, Giroux wasn’t around in ’05-06; the first line was usually Fleischmann Beech Mink after Beech joined the team and in particular, during the Calder Cup playoffs.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

At the same time far lesser players than MP have been rewarded for paying their dues and rushing a 19 year old is generally not a good idea. Unless you think Mackan is such a bluechipper that he can produce at 19 then it makes sense to let him mature and develop another year. If he didn’t have the SEL option I don’t think this would even be much of a debate.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

First of all… not really. He’s played two AHL seasons – he’s not exactly Crash Davis.

Second of all… who cares? It’s all about icing the best team you can now with an eye on the future.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ok.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Perreault will get his shot eventually, but it’s all about winning now, and it’s up to Bruce/GMGM to pick the guys who they think will give this team the best shot at winning.

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by Steck It Out on Oct 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s actually not about winning now. It’s about winning in the Spring and figuring out who is going to help us to do that.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case, I’m going with Johansson.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going with a trade acquisition. I don’t think either guy is going to materially help us win a Cup. As far as I’m concerned this is a learning/development year for both guys and neither is going to be a real impact player before next season.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could see either at 3C, but BB will have to be extra careful with line matchups for it to work, I think.

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by red army line on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I don’t think 3C is going to be a “make or break” position for the Caps. 2C will be. The 2nd line has been our biggest flaw in each of the last two post-seasons. It’s my biggest concern again this year.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bigger than Varly’s groin?

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey now!

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering I think Neuvy is the guy to lean on, I’m not concerned about Varly’s groin. I’m more concerned that Varly will be healthy but not “’09 against the Rags” good and keep Neuvirth on the bench.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then we agree.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been pretty clear about my thoughts on the two goalies. I thought everyone knew I was more confident in Neuvirth long term. And I know basically everyone disagrees with me, but I think Neuvirth is a big game player. I want to see him get a chance to do it with the Caps.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I’ll update my F&B Player Preference Guide, hold on.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s alright, you were gone for much of the off-season.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’ve only been worshiping Neuvy for two years now.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to be nice to him.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was just making a groin joke, honestly.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one agree with you.

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by CapitalCentre on Oct 4, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, too. I have been more confident in Neuvi for awhile.

by Seminrocks on Oct 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So much Neuvi love around here now, and yet…

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not without a battle.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That whole Ranking the Caps thing turned out some, um, puzzling results.

Not that I don’t have a log in my own eye, based on my evaluation of Steckel two years ago.

But still…

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So very much rec’d.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very well said.

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by Steve-R on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was Sloan’s experience? About 13 holes and an AHL playoffs?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Having a warm body when the Caps were down like 5 defensemen.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morrisonn, Jurcina and Pothier paid their dues. They’re all good guys. Two of them are even half-decent NHL defensemen. I’m glad they’re gone. I’d rather have Alzner and Carlson.

Olie Kolzig paid his dues, but Huet was the right call that year.

“Paid his dues” is logic that gets you the Sloan, Erskine, and Steckel contracts. “Paid his dues” would have Quintin Laing still on the team.

Perreault/Johansson is a different situation of course, but still, I hope they don’t make personnel decisions based on “dues”

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Well said! Now with the emergence of our young centermen Stek’s deal is looking like an albatross.

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by can't skate on Oct 4, 2010 9:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Stecks’ deal looked a little silly even at the time. The dollar and term were both based on the idea that he was going to be a 3rd-line center or a “super” 4th line guy who could provide some offense. Neither of those panned out and we’re left with a $1.1m faceoff specialist.

Note to GMGM – 4th line players are fungible. Don’t overspend on these guys.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The obvious parallel with Perreault is Martin St. Louis from the “small but plucky” category of player. St. Louis did not play in more than 50 games in an NHL season until he was 24 (56 games with Calgary in 1999-2000). Perreault is 22.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s lofty company. Probably because there aren’t too many guys that small that make it big in the NHL.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

And St Louis is one of the rare big free agent signings to earn his keep – his missed what, 2 games since the start of the 2002-2002 season? He’s worth every penny they pay him and more.

by S h a g g y on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I can’t stand St. Louis. Seems he always hurts us. I can’t imagine MP being that good but if he were…oh my!

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by can't skate on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

St. Louis is probably one of my favorite non-Caps.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same here. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight…

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

At the same time it worries me when I see Perreault get flattened every other time he tries to drive the net in the pre-season. It seems like that kind of thing doesn’t happen to Briere or St. Louis.

by Kolzilla on Oct 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It did when they were younger. There’s a reason why neither player stuck with the organizations that first had their rights.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He takes a ton of abuse in the AHL too, where there are fewer refs of high quality and way more goons.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to learn the shiftiness that it took St Louis so many years to perfect.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t stand him because he always seems to kill the caps. Unlike so many others whom I hate because I hate.

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by can't skate on Oct 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’ve made that comparison before and I’d add Briere as well. MP seems like a hybrid of the two if he is going to make it. Neither guy really established themselves as a legit NHLer until their 24-25 year. I said a few times that I don’t think this is the year for MP to do that; I think it will be next year or it is time to move on. But quitting on him now is foolish, IMO. And for what it’s worth Briere had serious maturity issues in PHX and that was a big reason they moved him.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Both Briere and MSL stood out in the AHL in a way that Perreault has not. Yet.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Briere was a first-round pick, too.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And MSL was undrafted. Draft position has literally nothing to do with it.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure it does. It means teams are more willing to give a guy a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chance when guys who weren’t drafted or were drafted in the 9th round may get booted.

Briere was given opportunity after opportunity until it finally panned out. St Louis was let go by Calgary after 3 good years in the AHL but 1 1/2 not very good years in the NHL.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s an interesting interpretation. Both guys were “given up on” by their original organization at age 25. I also never made an argument about 2nd, 3rd, or 4th chances. I’m saying that smaller guys tend to take longer to pan out, and it’s irrelevant where they are drafted. I’m not sure how you can even mount a serious argument to that given that Briere and MSL both took near identical paths, and that MSL turned out to be the better player. MP was drafted, so then he must be better than MSL if draft position is relevant, right?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m saying that if MP doesn’t pan out in the next 18 months at the NHL level — either coming up there for good or showing, at least in spurts — that he belongs there, he’s not going to be a member of the Caps organization.

And being drafted in the first round does make a difference. Teams that have a greater financial… I can’t think of the word… they’ve paid these players more already, they’re going to give them more chances.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Investment, is the word I believe you were looking for.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but those are sunk costs. And again, despite the PHX investment, he was given up on at the exact same age as MSL. How does that imply that draft position is at all relevant?

It looks more to me like both teams thought 24 was the age a prospect should have made it by, and that MSL and Briere both failed to do that so they got moved.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, one was given up on by being traded away (Briere) and one was just not resigned (MSL). And Briere had a couple of decent seasons in Phoenix (60 pts in 78 games, 46 in 68).

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know that the specifics really matter. At the same age the original organizations let the guys go. (And the point about Briere’s production would seem to cut against your argument.) If being the first round pick was relevant, Briere would have stayed in PHX even longer than he did.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Briere was a guy that never played a full game, that was talented but without heart, that would play in spurts and then float through periods and games, and a guy that was often the biggest defensive liability on the ice.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you! I’m so very tired today.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure I agree. MP was just under a point per game in the AHL this year. Briere had some huge seasons in the AHL but MSL topped out at just over a point per game. I’m not sure that’s really a significant difference. I really don’t know what the St. John or Springfield teams really looked like but just glancing at the roster there were not Giroux/Aucion type studs to keep either Briere or MSL off the top PP units.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

… just glancing at the roster there were not Giroux/Aucion type studs to keep either Briere or MSL off the top PP units.

Or to feed once there – quality of teammates cuts both ways.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a stronger argument if MP was playing with Aucoin/Giroux instead of behind them. I’d say your argument is more relevant when talking about A. Gordon than MP.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, MP gets Bouchard and a revolving door on the other wing most of the time.. not really getting the argument there.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the argument was with respect to the PP

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right. MP ddidn’t get a ton of top PP time because he was behind Aucoin, Giroux, and Bourque.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only point we’re making here is not that MP will become the player MSL or Danny Spearchucker are, merely that sometimes you have to wait in line to get your shot. 22 is not over the hill for a prospect.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the point I’m making as well. If it wasn’t clear, I’m agreeing with you.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the ability of a player to stick around long enough has a lot to do with opportunity. Briere played with a bad Phoenix for four or five years, maturing each year. St Louis played with a bad Tampa team and allowed to refine his game.

MP is not going to have that chance with the Caps who are a contending team.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless the Caps look at MSL and Briere, conclude that their original teams gave up on them too early (which is basically undeniable) and then have some patience with him.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But with the Caps, I’m not sure they have the ability to be patient with guys. They need players to come in and be productive (or, at least, not be a negative). The Lightning of the early 2000s and the Coyotes and Sabres of the same time did.

All I’m saying is, put Perreault on the Panthers or Islanders, and he’d be a better player 4 years down the road.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you paid attention to how the Caps use their 3rd line? I see no reason MP couldn’t do that. Low pressure, no special teams, still plays with decently skilled players, but only plays about 12 a night.

I laugh at your last sentence. It strikes me as an absurd conclusion. Late bloomers can only become players if they get stuck in the basement?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if he only plays 12 minutes a night and has no PP time, he’s not likely to impress much of anyone.

(And I read your last paragraph with a German accent.)

I think that if he had an opportunity to play 18 minutes a night and be on the PP with a team like Florida or the Islanders, he’d be a better player five years down the line. Late bloomers become players when they can play.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends who you mean by “he won’t impress anyone.” If GMGM watches and doesn’t have expectations that MP is going to put up 60-80 points then I think he could continue to impress people without racking up points. He impressed some people last year just by being able to do anything offensively in the NHL. If the next step is playing third line minutes and not wearing down, then maybe that’s impressive to GMGM. I just think we are setting the bar at completely different players.

I think late bloomers develop at their own pace and become players when they become players. I think if CGY had just waited on MSL then maybe they win the Cup in ‘04. I don’t think MSL’s development had anything to do with going to TBL; I think it just had to do with his natural development curve.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s probably not even slightly related, but the Caps won all five games that Johansson played in, and lost the game he did not.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO, of the guys on the bubble MoJo was easily the most consistent.

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by gotsparkly on Oct 4, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

sure seemed that way to me…
Matty’s undoing is his D, imo.

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by bigonetimer on Oct 4, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wha? He’s one of the harder backcheckers on the team and easily has the most active stick.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

His in-zone coverage is pretty weak.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

he is a good backchecker—I like MP’s transition game in both directions—and he hustles, but watching him yesterday on the top line he seemed to lose his man in our end once the Preds had established their cycle. Certainly can be corrected.

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by bigonetimer on Oct 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s like the 4th Ok. from you on this thread… are you feeling… well… okay?

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m picking my battles.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

[say it with me now] Ok.

Great. Now I have to change my name to "Jaromir meet Alex".

by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you were just basking in the organization’s recent embracing of Olie Kolzig.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, OK!

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The effort’s there; the skill I’m not so sure of. Yesterday he looked lost in his own end more than once.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And that’s nothing new for him. MP might have more of a future as a playmaking wing ala Patrick Kane.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with this and am somewhat baffled that the Caps haven’t even tried to play him at wing.

I also think he has trouble winning his one on one battles defensively in his own end. Being slippery helps him avoid some of the battles on offensive but you can’t really play D like that.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

He certainly wouldn’t have to play down low as much, where things are much more physical. Fleury was the same way. As is Gionta.

by RCheli on Oct 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

After watching the game live on Friday, there’s no question MJ90 is making the team. I like MP85 but MJ90 is no question NHL ready.

by Reckless on Oct 4, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

We were at the game on Friday, too, and that’s what I told my kids while leaving VC. They are sympathetic to MP, but I wonder how long he would keep up. I did not pay attention to MJ’s face-offs while at the game, so did not know until we got home that he was 0. However, I just watched him skate and, generally, in all other aspects of his game, I was impressed. I think he’s needed on the 2nd line at some point and hope he stays here to gain the experience through the regular season. Flash is not the answer.

by Seminrocks on Oct 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Johannson was 0-10 on faceoffs. Just to continue the comparision, Perreault was 8-12.

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can think of a way for Professor Steckel to earn his salary…

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully BB had that idea about a month ago and has been waiting to prioritize it. It looks like there’s nothing MJ90 can’t learn. The question is, what to teach him next. And right now, faceoffs looks like it had better get some serious practice minutes.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw after practice one day at Kettler that they were working with Marcus on faceoffs. One or two coaches were working with him, I can’t recall the opposing player. This was Sept. 19th.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 4, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s good to know. Especially, since I’d have been shocked into a coma if the Japer’s crew came up with an idea for player training that the coaches hadn’t known about weeks beforehand.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

But they did!

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

in my mind it’s just hard to tell if that’s what we got with the contract clauses and movement eligibility and all. Not that Marcus might not be the better player, I haven’t been able to follow the preseason games that much, but it’s just hard to tell from my end.

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like watching the guy play. That’s all. He’s small, but he’s quick and adept at using his stick to dig the puck out of the corrners. He also has a sort of fearlessness to him. I look at the guys he’s playing against and think “man, he just looks tiny out there, and yet he’s willing to go into traffic and make a play. I admire that.”

He may not be the best player for this team, but I like watching him. Just like Crosby is one of the greatest players in the game today, but I still sports-hate him and wish failure on him.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also got really abused by Nashville yesterday. All the Caps looked a little beat up by playing two Western Conference teams in a row. If they look to acquire any more defenseman I hope they bring them in from the West.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seemed like taking him out was Nashville’s plan yesterday. The first time he drove the puck into the offensive zone, 4 Nashville players surrounded him. I thought that was surprising, since nobody was covering Ovi.

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, they sent Shea Weber to hack at AO’s wrist instead.

Saw Ovi checking and shaking his hand quite a bit during the rest of the game. Not best pleased, was I.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a little surprised there wasn’t a follow-up “lesson” from one of the Caps to Weber to let him know to knock it off.

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

If past experience is any sort of a judge, that would’ve only made things worse.

by Chris Burton on Oct 4, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Webber and King go at it.

by ididntdoit on Oct 4, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Since he was on the roster yesterday, I was expecting to see it, but nothing. I can only presume that there’s some kind of Preseason code for vet-on-vet fighting.

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be one of my (few) problems with Weber’s game. He’s got a bit of a nasty temperament on occasion. Most of the time it helps more than it hurts, but it has gotten him in trouble before.

Either way, it was clearly effective.

by Chris Burton on Oct 4, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Either way, it was clearly effective.

And this is where I really take issue with Webber. When a defenseman of his caliber can’t out play his opposing forward, out come the elbows and slashes. Webber isn’t a dirty player on anywhere near a regular basis, but when frustrated he’s decided more than once to try and injure players. It’s busch league.

That tells me everything I need to know about the man. And I wouldn’t want somebody like that on my team.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would give up everyone on our team save Ovie and Backs for Weber.

by mig991 on Oct 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll see you a Weber and raise you a Pronger, if your criteria is based on chiippiness/dirty play. I’d take either of those guys on my blue line 8 days a week.

by S h a g g y on Oct 4, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have at it. But if it was my locker room, they’d both be escorted out of the building and given a pamphlet on the MMA. You want to hurt people, fine. There’s a career opportunity waiting.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

Matty’s wrist was slashed too.

I was pissed that neither slash was noticed by the refs.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The slash that had Ovechkin shaking his hand earned Weber a minor.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should’ve earned him D.J. King. ROAAAR!!!

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

REF U SUCK REF U SUCK

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did it? I must have taken a nap in my seat.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was #6 in the box. Shoulda scored on him there but no Nicky and slashed-hand Ovi = poopoo PP.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know what number Stevenson was wearing with the Bears over the weekend? Can’t seem to find a game roster or anything.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry, no idea, but I know he got cut to South Carolina. Shocking really as he was playing well with US.

by mig991 on Oct 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. Hopefully he’ll be back in Hershey later this year, but I know how much they like to carry 100 D all the time, so who knows..

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Morrison is actually a little more than mildly surprising to me. I still think he’ll find NHL work as there are still the Floridas and the Islanders of the league, but Vancouver not keeping him has got to be a harsh reality check for him, at the very least.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

eh, that’s a pretty stacked team; it would have been a nice story with the return engagement but he’s got a better chance in FL, as you suggest.

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by bigonetimer on Oct 4, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, but I got the impression that he though he was, for all intents and purposes, hot shit, and that the Caps lost out when they didn’t re-sign him. I could be wrong, but I think that he’s probably the most surprised of anyone he didn’t make that team.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

His second half last season looked like the end of a career. Similar to a lot of guys, a fella named Kolzig comes to mind, the player is the last to realize when it’s over.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Caps lost nothing by not re-signing him. He gave them half of a good season, but nothing after that. He just didn’t seem to have the stamina to last for a season.

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by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet someone signs BMo on the cheap once regular season injuries start accumulating.

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by bigeugene on Oct 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

As the Post article mentions, the Flames maybe a likely destination as they are suffering a slew of offensive injuries at the moment.

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Flames win the Preseason Presidents’ Trophy, BTW. They beat Alexandre Giroux and the Edmonton Oilers to finish 6-0.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good for the Flames! How well will preseason success translate to regular season wins?

BTW, last year the Caps were 4-2 in preseason.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that!

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by gotsparkly on Oct 4, 2010 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That may have been from CapsCon “Ask the GM” session. I wasn’t there, so don’t know for sure.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was there and it does sound like something he said.

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That headline about Backstrom sounds correct, as much as a Caps player can be popular in a Redskins city.

Marcus had a Nicky move with the puck Friday night, he got the crowd going Wow. He skates so well too, I’ve enjoyed watching him.

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by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 4, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan and I both mistook Mackan for Nicky on more than a couple of occasions, they skate so similarly.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s easy to do. I hope we make this mistake for many years to come:)

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Johansson easily skates better than Nick, though. Nick has this weird gorilla stride when you see him up close.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Backstrom doesn’t really have great straight line speed, imo. He’s so shifty and strong on the puck, and he stickhandles so well, that he compensates. Obviously.

Based on seeing a couple of MarJo’s games this year, he looks like he’s got plenty of speed for the NHL. Good hands, vision and hockey sense, too. Needs to get a bit stronger.

I’m with the many others that think MarJo gets the 3C spot out of the gate.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s his. He’s looked great. Would like to see him shoot more often, though.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty slick drop-passes.

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

He made a couple of really slick moves with the puck against Boston, too.

We’ll see how he handles the grind. That’s the next question.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like folks said about Nicky two or three seasons ago, right? It’s a learning curve.

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by CapitalCentre on Oct 4, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let him pass to Fehr while Chimera forechecks.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only if Fehr gets inside the faceoff dots.

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by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nick also doesn’t need it because he is able to slow the game to his pace like very few others. It’s really incredible.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Malin calls it “that freezing-time thing.”

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah his ability to do the “time freezing thingy” is just amazing. I think that’s what truly set him apart from other players. And it’s the reason I “fell in love with him” in the first place.

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by Malin A on Oct 4, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could have used that ability during the game yesterday.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That loss is really going to come back to hurt us. Wish Nick could have just sucked it up.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thirteen stitches and he woulda played.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn’t saying he should have played. Since he’s played every NHL game since coming to DC, there are few moments to see what the team looks like without him. What he brings to the team was very apparent by his absence against the Preds.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No disagreement there. He’s absolutely irreplaceable on this team.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 5, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t help but wonder though what the story would be if the Caps would actually try to adapt without Backstrom. They play the same way, and centers are a huge part of the offense.

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by red army line on Oct 5, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Mackan is noticeably faster and more explosive than Baxter.

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Which is effing scary.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

From a physical standpoint, yeah. Judging by the games I saw in person, it’s going to take him a while to figure out NHL attacking and NHL strength training. Mackan seems skinnier and more prone to be knocked off the puck than Backs was when he was a rookie.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also an incredibly efficient skater. Not a lot of wasted movement/effort.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know who the moderator was for the fighting panel at Caps Con with King, Chimera and Bryan Watson? I missed the first few minutes so didn’t catch the introductions, but that guy was absolutely insufferable. I came to hear what the NHL players had to say, not to hear that guy constantly interrupting them and dominating the discussion.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Ryan Walter was like that also (to some degree) in the rookie panel. However in their defense the whole old/new mix of players doesn’t really work that well to begin with for that setting.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that sounds familiar. I think Ryan Walter moderated the rookie panel; he never introduced himself but I finally put two and two together with the help of the list of attendees. Man, that guy was a total jerk! Does anyone know if he was that way when he played here?

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t mind Ryan Walter…I thought he had some decent stories to tell, although I wasn’t expecting him to be as active as he was in the discussion. It was definitely someone else at the fighting one, though.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn’t at the convention so I don’t know about that panel, but I can tell you from very personal experience that when Ryan played for the Caps he was one of the nicest guys, on and off the ice, that you’d ever want to meet. I’m talking Mike Gartner, Olie Kolzig nice. Very humble, quiet but as friendly as any hockey player I’ve ever come across.

by b.orr4 on Oct 4, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a very religious man as well:

“We had an airplane over top of New York that dropped for three or four seconds,” Walter, 49, recalled in a telephone interview. "It’s funny, because on that airplane all the big guys and the social conveners who usually sit at the back of the plane thought we were going down and for the first time in their life they called out the name of Jesus. For the first time, probably in their life, it wasn’t a swear word in the dressing room.

“I got off that plane thinking, ‘Gee, is life all about goals and assists and winning Stanley Cups?’ " Walter added. “If the plane goes down, can you really know that you’re going to spend eternity with the creator? That really began my search for looking at the scripture and the new testament and just really trying to understand what is the spiritual dimension that I feel in my life.”

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

[insert inappropriate-to-this-site argument over the value of religion here] That’s not an inherent good in everyone’s mind…

/soapbox

Great. Now I have to change my name to "Jaromir meet Alex".

by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor did I imply that it is.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair ‘nuff. As an atheist in today’s US I get overly sensitive about this issue, feel free to ignore my paranoid accusations.

Great. Now I have to change my name to "Jaromir meet Alex".

by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OT, but there are now two athiest lobbyists.

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by oldemystix on Oct 4, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sweet

Though our mascot sucks [insert PastaFarian picture – which I won’t since it is indeed very OT]

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by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just kept inserting his own rookie experiences when questions were asked. I’d guess that half the people in the room may not have even been born when he was a rookie. And as I said, I didn’t even know who he was for most of the session.

But someone knew, because a gal came up to ask him a question late in the session.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was kinda odd to have him talking so much and not even know who he was, I just wanted to hear from the rookies. I will say his story about filming Miracle was interesting but it didn’t seem the appropriate place for it.

by vtcapsfan99 on Oct 4, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ex Caps captain Ryan Walter

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

PIcture reminds me that the Caps Winter Classics are not exactly like to old school unis which had blue pants and white hats vs. the Winter Classics which will have red pants and red hats.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Also the CAPITALS as a patch dont seem quite as big as the individually sewn letters

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 4, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it that the universal response has been trending negative. I’ll reserve my opinion until I see one up close.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lots of negative reaction that it’s a patch.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mind it. I’m probably going to get one, and it looks exactly like I expected. The red pants and red helmet was a surprise, but I don’t mind them either.

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

^were a surprise. I hate typos.

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 4, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was fully expecting red pants. I figured they would try to throw red into as many things possible since we’re drooling lemmings of “rock the red.”

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought about googling “drooling lemming” to post a picture reply to this, but I’m at work.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did and the results were very disappointing

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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although “drool lemming” weirdly got me an ovechkin sheep:

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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This might make a good avatar for someone.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

very cool. and also slightly off-putting. :-)

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved that game.

'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...

by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand people wanting authenticity, but if that’s the way uniforms are made today, that’s the best you’re getting. It’s a throwback, but it’s not a reincarnation.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they look sharp.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked it.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup…throw it back

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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but at least bigger than the knockoffs that circulated in years past:

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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They wore red pants with the white sweaters in 1974-75:

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe they also wore white pants that year too (I think with the red jerseys though).

by Capcrazy77 on Oct 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that sentence was a little redundant, I guess.

by Capcrazy77 on Oct 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks, DJ King.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought there were some red pants in their past, but all the uni’s i could find online had the blue one’s with the white jerseys. Don’t think they ever wore red helmets at home though.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty pleased to see the stars on the pants’ outseam.

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by CapitalCentre on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was Michael Landsberg. He hosts a show on TSN called “Off the Record” which is a half-hour interview show, and he pretty much runs it like that.

For what it’s worth, I thought there was some interesting stuff that came out of his questions.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha…I just Googled him, and the 4th result that comes up is “TSN’s Michael Landsberg, ballsy or dickhead?” Sounds about right.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a dickhead. But I don’t mind watching him on Off the Record. And he had some great Caps interviews during the Habs series last year. Including the one with Brads and Brooks.

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

In that interview, Brooks looked like he wanted to punch Landsberg after a couple of pot shots were taken at Alex Semin’s playoffs against the Habs.

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by Sombrero Guy on Oct 4, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wouldn’t be the first one wanting to deck Landsberg. Brads got off some great lines in that interview.

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah he loves to hear his own voice, but I thought he kept things moving along. He does know a lot about hockey, like when Bugsy Watson was trying to recall a certain player from his day, and he knew exactly who it was.

I believe in JC.

by patred48 on Oct 4, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question about Marjo’s status. Assuming he makes the team now, what happens should he falter during the season, say December or January. What happens then? Could he be sent to Hershey, or would he still leave for Sweden at that late date? Or does his contract require that he remain on the team, taking up a roster spot up in the press box?

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I am sure DGB will have something to say soon...

According to Puck Daddy, Kyle Wellwood is heading to the KHL.

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

PD had it over the weekend, fat jokes and all.

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He just wants to play on a line with Chris Bourque, is all.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He’ll have to go to the Swiss league now.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I checked his stats and he was getting well under 10min TOI/Game in the KHL.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

So how long until he’s back in Hershey?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Am I right to assume Bourque’s trade was to make room for Wellwood? : )

Seriously, doesn’t the KHL limit the number of non-european players on each team?

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they do, and it’s non-Russian players, not non-Europeans (for the teams based in Russia). Other teams have to limit the number of players not born in the country in which the team is based, if I understand correctly. I believe the limit is 5 per team.

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by IRockTheRed on Oct 4, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Except looks like Bourque isn’t there anymore… went to HC Lugano

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

oops, slow on the up-tick there Peerless

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by ThePeerless on Oct 4, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, since I poached it from you. Or Kevin Bacon, I don’t know.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh I see. One step behind hockeywise. Zoned out on NHL action this weekend.

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

My personal favorite was from DGB at halftime of the football game last night. “What does Jay Cutler have in common with Kyle Wellwood’s groceries? Nine sacks , with multiple turnovers”

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Oct 4, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

He did have a couple of good ones last night on Twitter:

I’m pouring out a 40 of gravy for the “Kyle Wellwood is fat” tag. RT @RealKyper: Sources say Kyle Wellwood is headed to the KHL.

And during last night’s football game:
What does Jay Cutler have in common with Kyle Wellwood’s groceries? Nine sacks, with multiple turnovers. #onefortheroad

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rosen is on Twitter saying that the NHL and KHL have signed an agreement on honoring each others’ contracts. Doesn’t sound quite like a transfer agreement, but it’s an agreement of some kind. Sounds better than the status quo.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I know we’ve already discussed the Comcast was going to have Plus in HD this year, but I wondered if I’d actually get it. Going through my bills, I decided to read the “news” section and good news just in time – Cox will carry Plus in HD on or about tomorrow. So just in time for opening night. (I haven’t looked to see when the first game is on Plus) Yay!

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Now we just have to hope they’ll upgrade their awful HD.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baby steps….

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two things stood out at yesterdays game:
1. Verizon Center ice was looking pretty bad.
2. Shea Weber was looking pretty good.

by panic13 on Oct 4, 2010 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Did you see when he just kinda tossed Flash near the blueline? It was great.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didnt Ted just say to bring a sweater because the arena would be downright chilly due to improving the ice conditions?

by S h a g g y on Oct 4, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ted says a lot of things.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ve actually seen the ice looking worse than it did yesterday, a whole lot. There was one area that may have been bad, right around the blue line by the visitor’s bench, but the rest of it didn’t look too awful…

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by IRockTheRed on Oct 4, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s where those two bad defensive turnovers were, right?

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes that is where they were. The puck was jumping pretty badly in that area.

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by IRockTheRed on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

From Row B in Sect.113, I would have to agree. It was chilly. However the ice was chewed up pretty bad. Didn’t look like a fresh sheet at all.

by panic13 on Oct 4, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What else happened in VC within 24 hours of the Caps game?

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by IRockTheRed on Oct 4, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

nothing. best I can tell, there were no events scheduled for Saturday.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe all the ice maintenance folks went to CapsCon too

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by Elliotte on Oct 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I noticed was there seems to be someone selling knockoff Caps home jerseys. Saw several folks w/ off color red jerseys that looked closer to the color of the retired numbers banners (i.e. Avalanche colors). Also, the names on the back were noticable bigger than real Caps jerseys. They had Reebok logos on the back which leads me to believe some unauthorized knockoffs were being sold somewhere.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I see people wearing those all the time. When you buy an “authentic” jersey on eBay for $40, you certainly get what you pay for.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

eBay makes sense. I would hope nobody would have bought that having seen it in person.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you know what you’re getting on ebay, I see no problem. Well, you know, other than the fact that the knockoff is illegal, but what the hey.

However, the color should be closer.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a guy in Section 101 on Friday that had the worst knockoff I have ever seen. It was the edge design sweater with a CCM logo, undersized weagles on the shoulders, and all the blue parts were royal blue.

I realize even the Premier replicas are expensive, but if you’re going to get a knockoff, get a decent knockoff.

I am a hockey fan first, and a Caps fan second.

by iwearstripes on Oct 4, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to take a picture of a guy who typically sits near me with the worst "jersey’ of all time. It’s an old mesh long sleave thing that must be circa 1996. Blue with black block lettering and some indescipherable logo of an exploding puck or something. It’s horrible. He wears it every game.

Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...

by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him before. I remember seeing a jersey thatw as an obvious knock-off because of royal blue last season.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Friedman has posted a new 30 thoughts.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, these are always a good read.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for people complaining sending down Redden violates “the spirit of the CBA,” well, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the New York Islanders. The Islanders abuse it so badly that Amnesty International may get involved.

Anyone know what this refers to?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re using the Yashin buyout to get to the floor.

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is that abusing the CBA? They bought him out and it gets applied to the cap just like anyone else? I guess I just don’t see that as abuse. Sure, they are trying to stay cheap, but I have much less problem with that than the teams that are paying above the ceiling but manipulating a way under.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t get that little snippet, either.

And I don’t think that sending down Redden violates the spirit of the CBA. I think that the CBA, in fact, contemplates exactly what the Rags have done: you have a guy that has a high salary but sucks, you can stash him in the A and get rid of his cap hit.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the complaint is based on the assumption that the floor was meant to achieve parity by forcing teams to field a team of a minimum level of competence. If you reject that that premise (like I do), then the argument makes no sense.

by Ginga on Oct 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My assumption is that the floor was meant to put money in the players’ pockets by guaranteeing them that no one team would spend too little.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, exactly why I reject the argument. That, and because the CBA explicitly allows this situation…as you said below.

by Ginga on Oct 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yashin’s buyout counts towards the cap-floor, for one thing. I don’t know of any other transactions in particular.

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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that a Botta comment?

I believe one issue is the bringing in vets on tryouts mid-camp in order to meet the minimum vet requirement for preseason games.

As noted, there’s also the issue that the Isles don’t even meet the floor unless you add in the buyouts to Yashin and Witt.

The rest, well he used to be a team employee.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a lawyer, all I can say is: the buyouts count for meeting the floor. The CBA says so. So they’re not circumventing the CBA by following the CBA. There’s no implication in the CBA that old salaries shouldn’t count for the floor, the way there’s an implication that salary years the player will never play shouldn’t count for the salary averaging.

The players union may not like what the Islanders are doing, but it’s 100% within the agreement.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the “As a lawyer” line, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. This is exactly what they contracted for. If the players union doesn’t like it, change the agreement next time. Totally different situation than Kovalchuk.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I said I agreed with the comment, just speculating on why he made the comment and asking if it was Botta’s quote.

I will say I’m not a fan of the preseason tryout gimick (sp?) the Isles pulled or their preseason scheduling that resulted in the practice.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that one is uglier. Leading people on with no chance to make the team is ugly. Like the “minority consideration” charade when NFL head coaching positions open up and the team already knows who they’re going to hire.

Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth, I was just spouting off on my own.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting take

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s silly to argue that it’s circumvention at all. The Islanders chose to sign Yashin, and then chose to buy him out.

If the motivation of the NHLPA is to make sure players get more cash and owners keep less, who has the complaint here? The player got paid his cash, and commensurate cap space is taken away from the team. Should the Islanders have to pay twice?

You had me at no problem.

by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone have more of a problem with the Isles only making the floor because of buyouts than they do with CHI only staying under the cap by ignoring a boatload of bonuses?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a word. A lot.

Great. Now I have to change my name to "Jaromir meet Alex".

by Chris meet Alex on Oct 4, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t attribute anything to Botta, it seems like it’s Friedman’s own comment.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I missed that this was in the Friedman thread, oops.

And it sounds like something Botta might say.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just saw that Lambert also said the same thing. I just don’t get it. At least Botta has reason to be bitter.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear, it sounded like something Botta might say, but I’m not saying he said it.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got caught up on the Cammalleri situation. What a bitch. I like the guy’s talent and he can be a great player, but that is such a lame response. It wasn’t a bad hit at all and then he acts like a spoiled child. Glad he got suspended. I remember the “should have been suspension” from the playoffs two years ago as well. Any chance he gets treated as a repeat offender?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sucker-punch? That was a terrible, terrible cheap-shot.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah the sucker punch in the playoffs was the one he didn’t get suspended for. He did get a game for chasing Nino around the ice after he couldn’t take his hit like a big boy. Sounds like Habs fans think it was a brutal blindside hit, but from the video I’ve seen it doesn’t look that bad. All shoulder, not terribly high speed, not terribly awkward. Man up.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Should have gotten one for the jab that preceded the slash, too.

I agree that the Niederater (or however you spell it) hit wasn’t all that much to get worked up over.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that looked like he almost speared him in the face. One game is pretty generous.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Yerdon of PHT described it as the “Dr. Hook McCracken” maneuver.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually had the same thought.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Fit for OUR CAPS !!!!!!!!!!!!

On a side note to all the really Caps issues………. Can some please explain to me why they must play that STUPID song “rock the red”. It is so so lame I want to vomit everytime they play it. There is nothing to that song that reflects the way the caps play hockey, maybe if it was a figure skating team it would work.
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by Feds91 on Oct 4, 2010 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You might want to lay off the Red Bull.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

and focus on things that are really important.

OR – just hit the head while the song is playing.

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by STLSpidey on Oct 4, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not necessarily a fan of the song, either. It’s way too low-key.

I’m against both the Chelsea Dagger (Blackhawks) song and Blur’s “Song #2” because they’re both ridiculously overplayed.

It might be a soccer song, but I’ve always thought this would be a great post-goal song (1:00 to 1:16, looped). It’s loud and encourages audience participation, without being as overplayed as AC/DC’s “TNT.”

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, can’t get behind that one. Something about it just seems not at all “hockey.”

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

A goal is a goal is a goal. What exactly is hockey about Blur? Or an Aussie band?

Or is it the hip-hop aspect?

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to say breath through your nose a little more, but whatevs.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, admire your enthusiasm and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is nothing to that song that reflects the way the caps play hockey, maybe if it was a figure skating team it would work.

No one’s run with this one yet?

by David Getz on Oct 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d love to see an in-game triple salchow from Knuble or Erskine.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously! everyone knows it should be “if it were a figure skating team..”

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seen them called “Disney on Ice” more than once.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

How clever.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canes already down 2-0 in St. Petersberg.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Just turned on the game to catch Gleason fighting some guy and the score tied.

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by QuintinLainged on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now Yashin scores to take the lead 3-2.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Skinner ties it 3-3. The fact that I’m somewhat transfixed by this game shows you how badly I missed hockey.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be embarrassing if a team from the Southeast loses to a non-NHL team.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

another season of putting up with “SouthLEAST! ha ha ha ha ha! Aren’t I funny?”

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. SKA’s lineup is nothing to sneeze at. Plus, Peters, not ward, is in net for the Canes.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dig the name change.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice and congrats!

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by J.P. on Oct 4, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks J.P.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done sir! I’ll try and start getting over there a little more.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I, on the other hand, will now studiously avoid it.

Good day to you, sir.

:P

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If I haven’t said I love having you back yet, consider that it pal.

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks. That would be great.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

RIP, CP2. Welcome, CP!

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m the new and improved version.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats CP

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by Rather Bengt on Oct 4, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks RB.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Congrats as well, CP.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks F&B.

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by Carl Putnam on Oct 4, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointing. I was hoping Skinner would bust but by all accounts he’s looked pretty good so far.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad news for the Rooster…

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by bagace on Oct 4, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Roo. :(

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flyers just released Bill Guerin, according to NHL.com.

21 goals doesn’t buy as much as it used to, apparently.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Not when you’re 39 and played like crap in the preseason, it doesn’t.

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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 4, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did he play like crap? Didn’t realize that.

I was just assuming he would land a job somewhere that wanted leadership and some goals.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not $2MM for a over-the-hill winger without Crosby to dish him the puck, that’s for sure.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 mil is way too much, if that’s what he was wanting.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably not his asking number, but that’s what he made last year.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

From WaPo article
“It’s pretty disappointing [to end the preseason with the loss],” Capitals forward Boyd Gordon said. “They played the body and it was just one of those games where we just seemed to keep losing that battle. I think the energy level wasn’t good and it’s one of those things that we have to learn we can’t just turn on when the season starts.”

Nashville gave Chicago everything they could handle and then some during last years playoffs…and you didn’t think with their full lineup in for the last pre-season game they wouldn’t be ramping up to the regular season? Nashville has the hardest division in the NHL, blown opportunity to prove that you can handle a defense first, shot blocking team much like they faced in the playoffs last year.

Instead it has to serve as a wake up call? Really? I know, I know…it’s pre-season…..but what else hasn’t this team learned that we will find out about in April?

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by kurlNdrag on Oct 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I would chalk it up to the last preseason game, an unusual start time and general indifference by most guys. Probably some guys playing not to get hurt too. I certainly wouldn’t extrapolate it to mean we should be concerned about them not being ready for the regular season.

We were also missing our number 1 C and top 4 dman and our presumptive number 1 goalie did pitch a shutout when he was in there.

I don’t want to see Erskine and Fahey paired up ever again.

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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

my biggest issues were the fact we were shut out. No they shouldn’t and Erskine looks even worse than I remember from last year.

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by kurlNdrag on Oct 4, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They played Wednesday in Boston, a very physical game on Friday v. CBJ, then a long day of autographs and pictures and panels, then an early start for the game. No excuses really, but I was pretty tired in the stands too.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone should probably relax. Teams lose games. If they lose 1 out of every 6 this season, we’ll all be pretty happy.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

82-0-0 or bust!

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said this yesterday and Mr. B didn’t know if I was being serious or not.

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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear Ted,
The season is a failure unless you guys go 104-0.

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by apk3000 on Oct 4, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

103-1-0 is still in reach.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, losing a series 6-1 would be really hard to stomach.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s a shame that I was the first person to rec that gem.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Believe it or not, I had that thought, but couldn’t make it work. So I’ll rec yours.

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

82 + 16 = 98, no?

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by STLSpidey on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry – you were counting pre-season. Got it.

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by STLSpidey on Oct 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

+6 on the pre-season. It’s already a failure at 5-1!

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

A massive failure. The team is clearly not ready to make a deep playoff run.

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by Ninjak on Oct 4, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s any consolation, they went 4-2 in preseason last year. (I think they blew leads in both of their losses.)

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t go to yesterday’s game since I went to the O’s game instead but I was really exhausted after Caps Con and I had also gone to the game on Friday as well.

I figured given that schedule, I could see why the guys were not at their best yesterday, especially with an early start. While we hate to make excuses for the guys, yesterday’s game does not count.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regular season : dick :: preseason : balls

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

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by Natty Bumppo on Oct 4, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

drat and blast! I was so thinking that, but of course I’m 10 minutes late to be mr. witty.

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by Boggles on Oct 4, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So full of win.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Alzner vs. Carlson in ping pong is… oh, nevermind

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good thing we don’t play St. Louis in the preseason….

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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florida waived Grabner…kind of surprising.

by Ginga on Oct 4, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

So on the Ask GMGM panel George mentioned something about a strength test that they do and that Varly scored higher than ANYONE they had every seen before. I think he said Ovechkin got like a 605 and Varly got a 930. Could someone elaborate on what this test is and what the score is?

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe he said it was some sort of squatting or other lower-body test, but I’m not sure what the number signifies.

by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe there's a new varly meme take on this?

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Micky Mouse looks weird.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ovi had something in the 800s, I think he said, and IIRC GMGM described it as a “squat test,” which I took to mean quadriceps and/or hamstring strength. I’d also love to know if anyone actually has specifics.

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by CapitalCentre on Oct 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, i think you’re right. Maybe the 600 was the average score for the players tested?
A squat works the core, glutes, hamstring, hips, and quadriceps all very hard. It’s basically the greatest lift there is.

None of those guys are squatting 600lbs though, much less 900. If they are talking actual weight for the number the only thing feasible to me would be a leg press. 20 45lb plates =D

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think 600 was the average… And those numbers were definitely a score, not a weight… so maybe it somehow measures speed/explosiveness, too? Or maybe a weight-over-time thing?

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by CapitalCentre on Oct 4, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be funny if it was a completely arbitrary system of measure.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably is some goofy in-house formula.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said it was a power-squat test, so that would seem to be some combination of having players lift different amounts of weight, measuring the distance they lift it, and the time it takes them to lift it. Then take the average of the power calculated from each of those factors and use it as the measurement.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish I would have asked one of the trainers later in the day but I forgot about GMGM saying that until today.

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by zephyr on Oct 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad his joints can hold up their end.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome to my world.

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by D'ohboy on Oct 4, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

IIRC, the Ovechkin number he mentioned was in the mid-800s.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

First of the 5 2010 draft picks under contract.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So they’re actively shopping a goalie then?

/baseless speculatin’

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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Varly for Keith and Toews.

Book it.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ticket Prices

Since when have upper 400-level seats been $123 a pop?!? I recently became available to watch the home opener on Sat. I don’t recall paying more than $75 last year, and that was for near the front of the upper level. I know ticket prices were going up this year, but this much?

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by snakegriffin on Oct 4, 2010 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I think they went up, plus it’s probably a premium game or whatever.. kinda sucks.

Why wouldn't you play Perreault? He's a really talented young player.

by jordanDC on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are they so much cheaper on TicketExchange? They’re historically more there, but for this game they’re going around $97 for center ice 400s. I guess that’s a perk for STHs, since they’re paying $65ish a seat. Still, $100 for upper level is a bit much for me to swallow, especially when I had club level playoff seats for the Rags series in 09 for $130.

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by snakegriffin on Oct 4, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

My section (412) had seats for $90 a pop on StubHub as of two days ago.

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by boutros23 on Oct 4, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supply and demand, and flex pricing. Face value on my ticket for Saturday, which is the cheapest available, is $85.

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by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh. I make a good bit of money, and this is going to price me out of a lot of games this year. Good thing I have a big-ass TV to watch on at home, I guess.

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by snakegriffin on Oct 4, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urg. Home opener is the second night of a back-to-back and it’s against the NJD.

That sucks.

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by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the truth.

Does Eric Fehr have a good track record against the Devils? If so, we should give his line more ice time.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

9 games, 1 G, 1 A. He should still get more time though, just on general principle.

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by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say so, as well. Given our personnel, we have enough scoring power on three of our lines that we can adjust the percentage of time, based on the opponent. If Fehr has a great track record against a team, say Montreal, his line should get more time and the second line given a little less time that day, if the second line has trouble with Montreal.

Conversely, if the second line has a great track record against a team, the second line should play more (and other lines get time reduced)

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if any of the Caps have a good track record against the Devils. It’s not a team the Caps have had much luck against.

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by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the truth. (They were the playoff opponent I dreaded most, even more than either Montreal or Ottawa.)

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 4, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Against the Devils:

Ovie – 17 games, 7 G, 15 A
Backs – 12 games, 3 G, 11 A (1 G, 4 A in one game though)
Semin – 14 games, 7 G, 5 A
Flash – 15 games, 5 G, 0 A
Laich – 20 games, 5 G, 5 A
Fehr – 9 games, 1 G, 1 A

So, not too good for any of them. Only Ovie and Backs even average 1 point/game.

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by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great research! Frankly, I had expected Semin’s figures against NJ to be worse since he had a couple of horrendous games against them last year (and a good portion of our fan base was ready to dump him as a result.)

If memory serves me correct, Fehr missed most of our games against NJ last year.

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by CapsFan75 on Oct 5, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ersberg on waivers. Anyone thinking he might not be a terrible pick up; at the very least as an insurance for Varlamov?

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Rumor is – and I stress rumor since nothing is official until noon tomorrow related to players put on waivers today – that Nashville plans to or has submitted a claim.

Also, and what would you do with him when Varlamov is healthy?

For the short-term, why Ersberg rather than using Sabourin? And if a decision for the season, why Ersberg over a more veteran goalie?

They made their decision about going with the young tandem and signed Sabourin to have someone in Hershey with some NHL experience, plus Holtby available as another younger goalie.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d send Ersberg to the AHL (or let him get taken off waivers) if/when Varlamov shows he can stay healthy. I think Ersberg has much more upside than Sabourin and you can never have too many quality goalies go through the organization.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree, so watch them go and claim him, lol.

Unless there are serious concerns at this time about Varlamov’s longer term health for this season, I don’t see the point in claiming him for a short stint and then putting him on waivers. I also think there’s a good chance he gets claimed by someone like Nashville before he would make it to the Caps. Maybe, maybe not, maybe Philly claims him although not sure about the cap situation and ability to claim him.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say that the last two years are enough for me to be concerned about Varlamov’s health for this season. What was a “maintenance” day has turned into zero playing time for the rest of the pre-season.

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by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m concerned about his health and durability, too, but it depends on what the org. knows about his health, which is a lot more than we do and I have to take a step back and eval. the options before I’d say an Ersberg claim is the right move. I liked the Sabourin signing as a depth move this summer.

by sk84fun_dc on Oct 4, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moreover, I think it’s telling that the L.A. coaches and brass weren’t willing to give him game time at the end of the season last year, even though it was pretty clear that Quick was faltering. Not a whole lot of trust there.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ersberg is a quality NHL backup; it doesn’t make sense for WSH to stow him away in Hershey.

If Nashville picks him up (yes, there are rumors and no, I don’t want him), he’ll be in the NHL.

by Chris Burton on Oct 4, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

BMo signed by Calgary. Don’t know what terms.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

One year, 750k, one way, per McKenzie and other sources.

by Wheeler on Oct 4, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least his kids will have snow.

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by EmilyB on Oct 4, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had no shortage of snow here last year, if I recall…

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--- D'ohboy

by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 4, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"That’s something the league should look into," said veteran defenceman Jaroslav Spacek. "This was our last exhibition and we’re trying to get ready for the season and they bring all these kids."

Poor Habs, the league should really look out for them. What were the Isles thinking? (Maybe that they had a split squad game and they wanted their A team to play for their home town fans.)

Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman

by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Even aside from that, two of their best three players are sidelined with shoulder surgeries for the long-term. Who the hell are they going to bring after that?

"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box

by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And since when does another team owe you anything in a pre-season game? Maybe the Isles wanted to see the borderline players and determine who they wanted to fill out the roster?

Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman

by Rob Parker on Oct 4, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

All those damned kids actually get out there and, you know, hit and stuff. They don’t know it’s the last preseason game, the drill is to skate around and avoid anything that might cause an injury.

Poor Habs, having to endure the threat of potential injury…

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

by fat_daddyo on Oct 4, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And suspensions.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Milan Jurcina will save them

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 4, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

NHL and the Official’s Association reached a tentative 4 year agreement for a new CBA.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=539536

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank goodness. It would be sad to see those guys in the yellow sweaters from the 1989 playoffs from that Devils-Bruins game…

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by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 4, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Even if we don’t always like the NHL refs, they generally do a good job. I doubt replacements would do so.

Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.

by timmyv38 on Oct 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I just caught the last two minutes of the On the Fly East Preview. On the panel are Larry Murphy and Bob Errey. Now if I remember correctly Murphy works for/with the Wings, so he’s in the West. But Errey does color for the Pens. Biased much? You betcha. I don’t really care who thinks what in a these pre-season rankings, but give me a break.

"It's always good to have vikings."

by gfcaps fan on Oct 4, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

how bad was it?

and, yes, Murphy does Wings broadcasts. He’s entertaining.

Watching the O’s try to use strategy is like watching Mike Green trying to figure out the difference between "your" and "you’re"--Terpgrrl
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by RedBirdie on Oct 4, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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