Thursday Caps Clips: Category 0 Hurricanes; Caps @ Wild Game Day
by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 6:32 AM EDT
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- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's white-washin' from us, Vogs, Masisak (CSN), Masisak (NHL.com), Carrera (blog, gamer), Caps365 (video), Beninati, Frankovic, Peerless, DC Pro Sports Report, RMNB, Puckhead's Thoughts, Puck Daddy, ESPN, Inside Hockey, News & Observer (with a pretty massive photo gallery), Canes Country and Red & Black Hockey.
- On the Matt Hendricks goal and the David Steckel/Cam Ward pile-up immediately prior. [The Hosers]
- And another look at Michal Neuvirth's brilliant robbery of Eric Staal. [YouTube]
- Previews of tonight's game in Minny from Vogs, NHL.com, Peerless, and KOL, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Hockey Wilderness for coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Is Jason Chimera the NHL's fastest skater? (I'd submit Matt Bradley coming off the bench to intervene in Ovechkin vs. Downie for consideration.) [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Today's offensive defensemen are a new breed. [Hockey Independent]
- Mike Milbury bloviating as only Mike Milbury can bloviate. [Big Bad Blog]
- Of dollars and suds. [Puck Daddy]
- NHL.com tries to pass off a CCM ad as news (OK, maybe there's a nugget or two of new info in there). [NHL.com (Masisak)]
- America's (future?) Hockey Capital vs. Hockeytown. [RtR]
- John Wall! Ted Leonsis! Caps game! Synergy! [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Great news - Quintin Laing has found work. If we set the over/under for the number of NHL games he'll play over the rest of his career at one, what've you got? Yeah, me too. Sigh. [ECHL]
- Finally, happy 44th birthday to Benoit Hogue.
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Am I the only one not googly-eyed over this save? I mean, it was great positioning and the shot was more of a redirection than a hard one-timer. Great positioning and not routine, for sure, but not mindblowing. A couple inches higher and Staal misses the glove, it’s a goal and a “nice try” by Neuvy.
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by snakegriffin on Oct 28, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with you. Staal shot it right into Neuvy’s glove. It was a nice play by Neuvy to get across that far under control, but he was also pretty darn lucky.
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I disagree. The shot choice is determined before the goalie is in position, as the law of physics dictate when the goalie is moving across the crease to meet a (in this case softened) one-timer. You can’t just take credit away from Neuvy because he didn’t HAVE TO flash the leather. He put himself in the right spot, saw the shot, and didn’t flinch or bobble the puck.
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Nope. If Staal roofs that one like he knows he should have, he scores. He didn’t elevate the puck enough. That’s not on Neuvy, it’s on Staal. Neuvy getting in position is commendable, but a good shot beats him. Easy.
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Let me clarify – Staal doesn’t even need to roof it. Neuvy could only really have his glove in a couple places there. Staal literally shot to one of the few places he shouldn’t have.
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It doesn’t make the save any less nice. Neuvys glove wasn’t there when the puck was shot and that’s a hell of a save.
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It was a nice save. But it wasn’t mind-bendingly good. It was a good save.
However, had Staal made a better shot, he would have scored. This wasn’t a great shot being overcome by a better save, it was a bad shot getting saved by a good save.
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We don’t know that he would have scored. Neuvy reacted to the shot so there’s no reason to say he couldn’t react differently.
If Staal roofed it the save would have been harder but it’s not like he couldn’t have raised his glove.
I don’t think it was a bad shot either, it was fairly quick and on net.
I agree it wasn’t “mind-bendingly” good. Neuvy sure earned that shutout though.
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A big reason I was gaga over the save was the timing of it as well. The Canes had had a few decent chances leading up that, and had Staal scored there the entire rhythm of the game would have shifted in their favor.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Go watch it again. Neuvy is doing the splits and his glove is basically on top of his leg pad – which is to say about a foot off the ice. That left Staal almost 2.5 feet under the bar to shoot at.
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I’ve watched it quite a few times. First, the puck has to take an upward trajectory and second, Neuvy doesn’t have to have his glove on his pad.
You can’t rewind time to let the shooter change shots and make the goalie make the same play. =\
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It’s not about rewinding time. Given the way Neuvy is stretched out there, there weren’t many places his glove could have been. He couldn’t get to the post and he couldn’t cover the top of the net. There was a HUGE amount of space for Staal to shoot into where Neuvy’s glove was not, and instead he shot into the one area where Neuvy’s glove happened to be.
That’s on Staal. I give credit to Neuvy for getting his glove over there, but he got lucky that Staal put the puck right into his webbing.
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Why are you crapping all over a beauty of a glove save that, in addition to preserving a shutout, made the whole crowd gasp?
You had me at no problem.
I’m not crapping on it. I’m pointing out that the shooter should have beat him on that occasion and didn’t because he choked.
At the time it happened, I was stoked and I yelled and I did all the things a fan does.
Now that the dust has settled, I can look at the play again and say – great move by Neuvy to even get over there (which I’ve pointed out repeatedly), but Staal should score on that chance 8 times out of 10 and he knows it.
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I get what you’re saying but you are rewinding time and leaving the goalie static.
You keep saying that he shot it where Nuevys glove was but his glove wasn’t there when he shot. You’re just arguing this to argue.
Shot has already been taken for over a milisecond. Neuvy already has identified where the puck is and is moving in that direction. He’s in a bfly slide where he could continue pushing over and even if the puck is shot ANYWHERE on that side of the net it has a chance of hitting him. He then reacted to the shot further and executed a stretching glove save because he knew where the puck was going.
His glove could touch the top corner of the post if he wants too. There is no UNSAVEABLE shot Staal can make.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
Yeah, Stall would have needed more leverage to really one-time it fast and high to the point where Neuvy wouldn’t have been able to reach it, most likely.
Neuvy was watching it the whole way across. He had a reasonable chance to reach almost any shot that Staal could have made, probably.
There is no UNSAVEABLE shot Staal can make.
Totally disagree. If Staal puts that 5-hole (which is probably what I would have tried because I’d never be able to get that puck up), he scores.
Unlike me, however, Staal is a very talented hockey player. If he gets that puck up higher, or further to the right, it’s in the back of the net. The amount of twine he’s seeing there is HUGE.
Neuvy made a good save at a key moment. But I maintain that a good shot from Staal beats him there.
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Neuvirth had quite a bit of time to make his move, though. He looked like he could have pushed off more quickly and moved over farther, but he was tracking the puck the whole way.
If Staal plays it differently, I think Neuvirth does as well, and there was the potential for a lot more net coverage by Neuvirth (albeit with less precision most likely).
Wtf, are you kidding? If would have hit Neuvy right in the pads because he would have just kept doing a butterfly slide. He sees the puck the entire time.
The only thing that could make this impossible for Neuvy is if Staal shot the puck much faster than he did. If anything, that’s what you should be arguing instead of his placement.
You can maintain your position all you want but it’s extremely fantasy based and you’re discounting the skill of the goalie in an irritating way.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 19 recs
And I’m saying that slowing the play down into still shots completely ignores the movement Neuvy is making. I know you’re a goalie and you know more about that than me, but from my view, he’s just pushing off quickly and hoping to get over.
My view – Neuvy reacts and manages to get into a good position, and Staal manages to put it in his glove.
Your view – Neuvy sees it the whole way and puts his glove exactly where it needs to be.
If it’s number one, then it’s a good save and a bit of a choke-job on Staal’s part. If it’s number two, it’s a great/amazing save.
I know you’re a goalie, and part of your union dues requires you to stand up for them, but I still say if Staal puts that shot upper 90 or five hole, he scores. Staal is paid a shit-ton of money to score. This wasn’t Chad LaRose.
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I’m standing up for intelligence and not being thick headed, not a goalie I have no relationship with. Your argument has changed from roof it, to go 5hole, to picking apart still shots.
Look at Neuvy, He is looking at the puck. He is in great position. He is not scrambling. He is in a great position to make any save. When he identifies where the shot is going he abandons his best block% butterfly slide and extends the glove. Just watch the video, it’s clear as day without going frame by frame.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
Rec rec rec. Neuvy reacted to the shot and watched it all the way into his glove…it’s not like he just randomly stuck his glove out with his eyes closed hoping the puck would hit it.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Oct 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Neuvy reacted to the shot and watched it all the way into his glove…it’s not like he just randomly stuck his glove out with his eyes closed hoping the puck would hit it.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen a goalie put his glove out and watch the puck “all the way into his glove” only to see it zip past his earhole and into the net. Just because he saw it doesn’t mean he had it all the way.
If Eric Staal, a guy who has twice scored 40 goals in the NHL, manages to get that puck a bit higher, I don’t think Neuvy has a chance. And, given just how fast Neuvy had to push off to get over, I think he could have likewise put the puck 5-hole and scored.
At this point, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I think it was a good save and a bit of a choke by Staal. You guys think it was a great save.
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I think you’re giving Staal too much credit. He stinks.
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I’m with D’ohboy on this one. Good save on a mediocre shot (mediocre given the prime-ness of the chance). The feed wasn’t ideal, which didn’t help Staal; and it didn’t help Staal to be a lefty shot on that one.
But the shot wasn’t especially hard or especially well placed. It still would beat a lot of guys a lot of the time, so it was a good save and a big save. Part of being a good goalie is making the big save when you need to.
But it wasn’t a “how the hell did he do that” kind of save.
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Or misses the net and hit’s the post.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Semin often takes forever to get his shots off, so I’m not convinced that’s true.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Or tries to dangle and gets stripped of the puck
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by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Sasha Semin when he’s on definitely buries that one like a cold Russian KGB assassin.
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by Christoph J on Oct 28, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the video. I’m not being thick-headed. There’s a lot of net to shoot at. Staal puts the puck into a relatively easy place for Neuvy to get to (versus up high).
I agree that Neuvy demonstrated a high degree of skill to get over, but I disagree that he’s the one in control of the whole situation. Staal could have made a much, much better shot. He put the puck two feet off the ice.
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I think the demonstration that he’s in control is that he’s looking at the puck the entire time and he abandons a much better % save selection for something that will only work if the puck goes exactly where his glove is.
One makes sense if you know where the puck is going one makes sense if you don’t know,
My main thing is that there was no unsaveable shot that could have been made other than taking the puck speed to warp 10. Sure Staal could have made a better shot but it’s not fair to say Neuvy could have made a better save as well. He was in excellent position to do so.
Staals best chance is to go back in time, shoot the puck exactly like he did and then shoot another puck, roofing it while Neuvy is gloving the first one.
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My main thing is that there was no unsaveable shot that could have been made other than taking the puck speed to warp 10.
Of course you think that – you’re a goalie. There is just no way that Neuvy gets to an upper 90 shot there.
Sure Staal could have made a better shot but it’s not fair to say Neuvy could have made a better save as well. He was in excellent position to do so.
How, from his pants (which is where Neuvy was), does he get to a top-shelf shot? In the still frames, Neuvy looks a hell of a lot more controlled than when you watch it at full speed.
I agree that he made a nice play to get over and put himself in good position. I still say that a shot up high goes in, easy.
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I don’t know if I can argue this anymore because you keep acting like Neuvy has to be in a split.
You see how his right leg the entire time is up and loaded. That’s for a push off for a butterfly slide. It’s not hard to do , it’s very fast, and he was going to do that if he couldn’t react to the shot. You see goalies get scored on one timers all the time that way when they can’t react. Same play, they push off, but never react and then the puck squirts in. Neuvy reacted plain and simple.
You keep bringing up how I’m a goalie but that doesn’t have anything to do with my analysis of this. Maybe you being a player has more to do with your position? =]
Earlier today before this crap I was saying how Ward could have done something better to prevent a goal.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Neuvy has to be in a split to get over, because that’s what happened. It’s hard to imagine him doing a straight up square B-Fly slide and getting over quickly enough. Moreover, he doesn’t have his right leg up – in the moment before the shot, his right leg is flush to the ice (so he can’t push off his edge) and his ass is on the ground – he gave up on his B-Fly and committed to the split.
You see goalies get scored on one timers all the time that way when they can’t react.
You also see goalies react all the time and get scored on anyhow because they guy makes a shot they can’t reach.
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Moreover, he doesn’t have his right leg up – in the moment before the shot, his right leg is flush to the ice
Look at the SS I posted. It’s well after the shot has been taken. His leg is fully loaded.
Anyway man, I concede. There isn’t anyway to know if he reacted or not. I just think the evidence tilts on that side especially since everyone talks about how technical Neuvy is. He wouldn’t abandon good technique unless he had a reason.
I know where I’ll stand on this when my grandchildren ask about the “The Great Controversy” of Oct28.2010 though.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Of course you think that – you’re a goalie.
I can’t say it any better than Zephyr, but I will point out that your repeated use of this argument is a BS cop out.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It’s more of a joke than anything else. It’s not a part of my argument.
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I figured, and one mention is fine. After that it starts to sound like you are actually trying to discredit his argument.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The top corner is only 4 feet high, and even from just a foot and a half to two feet in front of the goal line the puck would have to be only about 3 and a half feet high. Given how under control Neuvirth is and the length of his arm, I’m pretty sure he could reach an upper 90 shot. Whether he had time is another issue, but it looked to me like he was over in plenty of time. I maintain that the water bottle shot was the only way to make a shot that couldn’t be saved right there.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree that Staal was in control of the situation. Looks(so much empty net) can be deceiving.
Neuvy saw the puck the whole way, and had the time to get into position, and the reflexes to see the shot and get his glove where it was going. He saved it easily.
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Right, there is a bit of “shooters illusion” going on. And I’m not disagreeing that he saw the puck, nor am I disagreeing that he put himself in a good position.
What I’m saying is that Staal had much, much better shot options that Neuvy would have been unable, or almost very nearly unable to save.
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And I’m saying that there was no shot Neuvy would be “unable” to save(economy of movement doesn’t require much to move the arm up if Staal roofs it, and Neuvy could have kept his pads butterfly if Staal goes 5-hole), and that he WOULD have saved the “very nearly unable to save” shot.
Staal didn’t execute the best possible shot, but it was a very solid, dangerous shot, and a very safe one from his point of view.
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by Ninjak on Oct 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So let me get this straight – according to you there is no shot available to Staal in that situation that Neuvy cannot save . . . and yet it was still an amazing save?
Sorry, but this is a silly position. If they’re all saveable, then there is no truly amazing save, just mistakes by the keeper.
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There was no unsaveable shot BECAUSE the keeper was amazing. Staal made a great shot which required a great save. He could have made an ever better shot, and Neuvy would have made an even better save.
Is something silly about that? Silly is spending 2 hours insisting that the save of the night was mediocre.
Aesthetically, it was beautiful. Technically, it was solid. Can we leave it at that, and not need to say “No! It wasn’t 9.7/10! It was only a 9.1/10, at best!”?
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by Ninjak on Oct 28, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is something silly about that? Silly is spending 2 hours insisting that the save of the night was mediocre.
When, in this entire thread, have I said the save was mediocre?
I said over and over again that it was good.
I think looking a a play like that and saying that there was no unsaveable shot, then turning around and arguing that the save that occurred was amazing, is silly.
If there was no unsaveable shot, then none of the saves could be really all that amazing. To me, an amazing save is one that you really shouldn’t be able to make. But maybe that’s just my opinion.
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just mistakes by the keeper.
That’s sort of true a lot of times. A goalie gets way out of position and he’s forced to do something that looks spectacular. He was “forced” out of position through the passing play.
49 times out of 50 it goes in, the one lucky time it makes a highlight real. No one gets to pick and choose which is the 50th shot though.
Some of my favorite saves during the game are ones that other people don’t pay any attention to because they look too easy.
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One day, Brett and I were playing beer league during the summer and he got a breakaway and put a perfect shot right over the keeper’s shoulder. He came back to the bench laughing and shaking his head incredulously after he scored.
You know what he said? “I can’t believe that guy gave me two inches!”
Two freaking inches. That’s it. That’s when I realized that there were some guys out there who were playing a fundamentally different game from me.
Goalies generally have the advantage over shooters (that’s why games aren’t 15-14), but there are times when the shooters have the advantage.
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In case I was misunderstood, I was talking about that there are no truly AWESOME traditional looking saves that are super awesome without the goalie making a mistake.
Nice story though too.
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If he’s just pushing off quickly and hoping to get over, then that doesn’t say much about his mobility. If he had pushed off with everything he had and tried to just get over and make a lucky save, he should have been able to reach the other post. The fact that he basically stopped in the middle of the goal suggests to me that he was trying to control where he went, and the fact that he was watching the play tells me he was doing more than just playing the percentages.
He couldn’t have shot 5-hole because when Staal released the shot there was no 5-hole to shoot at.
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I’m not arguing that Staal should have tried to go 5 hole in this specific situation. What I would argue is that there are plenty of times you aim 5 hole when a goalie is going to be forced to move laterally on a play even if the 5 hole isn’t open at the time you attempt the shot. By aiming 5 hole in this case I mean aiming where you think the 5 hole will be when the puck arrives.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But since Varly was tracking the shot, he’d have closed up.
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I know that too, but from what I saw, it would have hit pad as Neuvy moved laterally, thus 5-hole wasn’t there. The best shot placements were side and upper net and Neuvy’s positioning kept him able to covers those too.
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I think I took your comment to imply that if the 5 hole isn’t open you don’t shoot at it in general.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I took your comment to mean you were generalizing that if the 5 hole isn’t open you don’t shoot at it.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
when Staal released the shot there was no 5-hole to shoot at.
When you shoot 5-hole on a one-timer, it’s never there when you release your shot. It appears only after the keeper reacts to get over to your shot. Saying from a stillframe that there’s no 5-hole is disingenuous.
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by Christoph J on Oct 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Negative. Shot should have gone up high….or 5-hole…..
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by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great job. The toughest save right there would be for Staal to put it right under the water bottle. Saving a puck past the ear would be almost impossible. I agree with you, though, that he could have even gotten to a top corner shot and that it’s more of a great save than a poor shot. Staal got it off quick, with some power, and it was labeled right inside the post. That’s pretty textbook.
Also, sweet pass on that play.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
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This thread seems to me to be started and continued by some folks that want to be contrarian. There is no right answer.
I would argue that every goal could/should be stopped by a goalie in the right spot or every goal could/should be scored by a shot hitting the right spot.
Neuvy put himself in position to make a stop and stopped a shot into what seemed to be wide open net. That’s it. We’ll forget it in a few days, but it might have been the #1 top play on ESPN yesterday and was key to last night’s win.
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by STLSpidey on Oct 28, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not being contrarian. Neuvy made a nice play to stretch out to get his glove over, but Staal had a Atlantic Ocean to shoot into, and he managed to hit Iceland.
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But isn’t that precisely the point. Goalie have to put themselves in a position to stop the puck and have their glove raised, the paddle down, the stick covering the five hole, etc. That’s a prerequisite.
Ward put himself in the same situation when he stopped Knuble in the 2nd period after passes from 19 and 8. Good for Ward. He did what he could to stop it. Knuble roofs and it’s a goal, just as if Staal lifts the puck it’s a goal. And I could argue that a vet like 22 should have lifted the puck.
I just think we can talk ifs on stopped goals or missed saves all day long and, personally, I don’t find it productive.
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This is different. Neuvy was fully extended. There wasn’t anywhere else for him to go. He was in the splits with his glove hand fully stretched out. Staal hit his glove. Neuvy wasn’t going to raise it, or move it any further to his left (Staal’s right). It was where it was, and Staal hit it.
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First off, you can raise your glove even if you are in splits. You may have a more limited range, but goalies go into splits and still make high glove saves.
But what you are ignoring is that there is nothing that says Neuvirth had to be in the splits. He was watching the shot before he stretched out and went into a split because he saw it going low. You can advance the hypothetical that Staal can roof it all you want, but to be fair you also have to acknowledge that Neuvirth may not have reacted the same way.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sorry, I went back to your comments and I realized that in the course of replying to a bunch of people, I wasn’t really reading what you were saying.
I just think we can talk ifs on stopped goals or missed saves all day long and, personally, I don’t find it productive.
I actually think it’s interesting, insofar as it speaks to who you think has agency in any given play. It speaks to techniques and capabilities and it allows you to view future situations with an eye for understanding why plays occurred the way that they did.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
While it can be a bit frustrating to read a back-and-forth, there has been a lot of good information in the discussion. I know only the rudiments of goaltending so the techniques being tossed around are eye-opening. Not often you get a chance to have a shot/save dissected to this degree, you know?
Got my user name back from the dingo...
That’s cool, I’m glad you enjoyed the discussion. I know D’oh and I both had fun debating this and there really is a lot to be learned from one simple little play.
I think these types of talks are some of the best parts of Japers’ really. There isn’t another place on the internet that this could have happened in a civil manner.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
The people over at CI are totally reasonable. Especially that cstanton1. Very ea….sorry I can’t even finish typing that.
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I do wish, though, that we could take the compliment of Japers’ without the seemingly obligatory comparison to CI. We all know it sucks, that’s why we’re here. Calling it, or its less articulate posters, out doesn’t really add anything.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 28, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that would be nice. I really meant the entire internet. I can’t imagine this convo on fark or reddit or puckdaddy, etc..without D’oh and I calling each other some very creative names.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
I think it’s totally fair to point out the Rink’s exceptionalism, and I agree with what you said. It was really more directed at the way statements like yours get followed up with, "Yeah, ’cause over at CI. . . "
Which is not meant to be a diss to Boggles. This is obviously not a huge deal, I just think it’s unnecessary.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 28, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I’m not offended, and I certainly know it’s a cheap shot on an easy target. My comment was beneath me and more importantly what Japers’ offers Caps/Hockey fans.
But I don’t agree that it adds nothing because the CI comments section is what happens when people confuse any attempt at organized leadership with censorship.
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Honestly though one really can’t have this kind of discussion at CI because it’s not set up for conversational threads. That’s why new posters over have trouble at first. They try to blog as opposed to carry on the dialogue.
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by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I concur wholeheartedly. I found your and D’ohboy’s debate incredibly fruitful and filled with great analysis. I come here to learn and learn I did today. The humor was just icing on the cake. Where else can one get such a lively debate over whether a save is merely good as opposed to great. Saying wow after a save just doesn’t cut it around here.
Thanks to you both for such a great exchange.
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Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
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by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
But Iceland could move. And Iceland saw where the shot was going. Iceland positioned itself under the shot.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What impressed me was the economy of movement. The slo mo looks slow! If that was Varly, he would have made his move both later and much more quickly. It would have looked more athletically impressive. No matter how slow you run Varly, he’ll look like he’s moving fast. The slo mo of Neuvirth looks like he’s casually shifting over and putting his glove where he knows the puck will be.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What impressed me was the economy of movement.
No doubt. If I had a nickel for every time that could be said of Neuvy, I’d be rich. Already.
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I’m saying you can’t say that, because that’s NOT A) what happened, and B) what was needed, and C) if the high glove save was needed you can’t prove that Neuvy didn’t see the shot coming and couldn’t flash the glove.
In other words, Neuvy not moving the glove is not proof that he didn’t see the puck leave Staal’s stick. The shot needs to be well ahead of the goalie for that to be the argument. and the shot is so very clearly NOT far ahead of #30. And if you want to blame a Cane for that, blame the passer.
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Psh, way to rain on our parade.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
lazy shot from Staal leads to a Neuvi save, kinda like his efforts on the 2-on-1 after Green wiped out
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
I thought Locker was unreasonably harsh on Staal on that one.
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yeah I can see both sides of it. It did seem like he took his time on the 2-on-1 which allowed for a save, but at the same time weren’t the Canes sending Staal’s line out there a lot at that point? Maybe he was just tired and that was the fastest he could pull it off.
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I’m not sure the puck was sitting flat for him, either.
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Yeah, it looked like he was just trying to control the puck with a bump and make sure he had it on his tape before shooting.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
I thought Ward’s blocker save on Ovechkin was damned impressive
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think your point is that Neuvy was reacting to the play (putting himself in position the best he could to let the puck hit him/his glove – which it did) rather than reacting to the shot itself (and thus demonstrating the proverbial “cat-like reflexes”), which usually makes for a more spectacular highlight.
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This goes back to the reaction vs blocking saves I was talking about a few weeks ago =D
I think you can make a case that he was reacting to the shot and not setting up a best % blocking situation. He sees the pass and is in mid-butterfly slide push off when the shot is about to be taken (which is text book for a blocking save.) He bails on that when he sees the shot and instead reaches with his glove and does the split maneuver.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
But his glove is more or less static when the shot is taken, not in mid-histrionic Patrick-Roy-Statue-of-Liberty. But I see your point.
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I think the fact that his glove isn’t waving around wildly is even more evidence for how controlled he was and how he was following the shot. He wasn’t waving his glove around hoping to get lucky, he put it exactly where the puck was going and kept it there.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. It was probably the best play Neuvy could make, but at the same time, Staal had a ton of room to shoot at and he managed to put it in one of the few places he shouldn’t have.
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It was a very good shot by Staal, considering the circumstances. Only real chance he had was to one-time it before Neuvy got across, and it’s hard to aim that shot, given where the puck was. Neuvy made a great play to get across and get his glove into position.
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I think you need to consider the shooter’s dilemma. Generally speaking, you don’t have the time to take your best shot, you need to strike a compromise between the quality of the shot you’re taking, and the quickness with which you can get it off. If a goalie isn’t very quick, or is way out of position, you can take an extra 1/4 second to size up your shot better. When a goalie is making a move to get square to your shot, you’re willing to sacrifice perfect placement to get the shot off before the goalie can get set. If he takes an extra 1/4 second, maybe he places the shot better, but then maybe Neuvy’s in better position and gloves it down.
If its Semin taking that shot, he takes that extra 1/4 second, and rings the puck off the crossbar because by the time he gets it off, he doesn’t have as much net left to shoot at.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It’s not necessarily a “best save of the year” highlight, but it was an incredible save none the less, and definitely a “save of the week” type play. Sure, Neuvy is lucky Staal shot it right where his glove was, I guess, but that’s still probably a goal 95+% of the time. It was a well-executed scoring opportunity by the Canes (and if I remember right, the Caps had been pinned down in the zone for a bit as that PK was winding down, so they were probably starting to wear down a bit as well), and frankly they were robbed of what would have been a very important goal.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
but that’s still probably a goal 95+% of the time
The question is: “who determines the 5%?”
If you think it’s a great save, it was Neuvy who determined that last 5%. If you think that Staal choked, it was Staal.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I don’t think Staal chocked, that’s the point. Granted, I presented 95+% as an arbitrary number that I made up, but my point was that whether it be pure luck or pure skill on the part of the goalie, that shot would usually have been expected to hit the back of the net.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
He had 2.5 feet above Neuvy’s glove to shoot at, and nobody checking him, and he’s a well paid professional hockey player who’s presumably paid for his scoring ability. He should have scored.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Agree to disagree on this one, I guess, but it’s not like Staal has all day to line up his shot, nor was Neuvy’s glove already there when he went to take it (even if it was a split second later).
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I dunno... looks like one hell of a stop to me...
by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Look at all that net!
Anyhow, I’m not saying it wasn’t a good save. I’m not saying Neuvy didn’t do a good job of getting in position.
What I’m saying is that a player of Staal’s caliber, with that much net to shoot at, ought to do better than what he did.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Neuvy’s glove wasn’t on his pad though. He snapped it right where the puck was headed. Had Staal roofed it, he might of scored, but there isn’t much evidence there to say that Neuvy couldn’t have lifted the glove any more than he did.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
If Staal shot that puck at the same velocity towards any area of the net was going to be saved. Maybe he could’ve shot it FASTER and scored, but he placed the puck pretty nicely. He elevated the puck, Neuvy could not have made a pad save. Neuvy could pretty easily have reached UP further if Stall tried to roof it.
You had me at no problem.
Neuvy could pretty easily have reached UP further if Stall tried to roof it.
I disagree. If Staal gets that puck up, or further to the right, or shoots five-hole, he scores.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
good shot
And this is what I’m disagreeing with.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Even more shocking is that Steckel made it onto the list at #4. How many times do you think Steckel makes ESPN’s top plays in his career?
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a minute! On a night when there was a ton of basketball and the world series, two plays from one hockey game made the top 10?!?
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3 plays actually. Ward’s save on AO was also on the list. I’m pretty sure the rest were all dunks and layups, so no baseball either.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And we can all agree that Neuvirth’s save was more impressive than a routine dunk.
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A 6’10" dude routinely dunking a basketball is one of the least impressive highlights I can think of.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He probably made it in for game six against the Pens in 2008.
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by Backeez Got Back on Oct 28, 2010 7:09 AM EDT reply actions
Anyone remember $7 beers two seasons ago?…ah, those were the days…
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I also remember when there was nobody in the stands, so getting that $7 beer was easier. And relieving my bladder of it didn’t require waiting in line. And there were no leaners because there was nobody in the stands.
Of course, the team also had Jakub Klepis as its #2C.
Tradeoffs.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
The key to the beer or bathrooms is timing. I’ll admit, I’m lucky to have an aisle seat and a pretty straight shot to the restrooms from my section, but I can usually make it to and from the bathroom during a commercial stoppage if I time it right, so I’ll usually go then to avoid the intermission rush. Same for concessions. I’ll also sacrifice the last few seconds of a period to head to the concourse early during a stoppage if I need to, it beats waiting in line.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Straight shot to the ladies room is one reason I love my section. Birds-eye view of DJ Stretch is a new and welcome perk.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 28, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always found for the women’s room that if I get there with 5 minutes left in intermission I’m in and out with time to spare before the next period.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Posted on Capitals Insider — Prepective on the Caps scoring from twitter by Corey M.
“Stamkos has 18 points in 9 games
Caps top line has 19 points in 9 games”
Yes, in spite of that, the difference between their teams is one Bettman point. Both teams have won 5. Tampa got a Bettman point in one of their losses.
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Bettman point
Teams have always received a point for tying after 60 and overtime. The team the beat TB got what you’re calling the “Bettman Point.”
On a side note, it’s now been over five years – can we just accept the outcome of the shootout as an extension of overtime and get the hell over it?
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 13 recs
But if we don’t make fun of the commissioner, how will people know that we are knowledgeable fans?
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by jordanDC on Oct 28, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Thank-yew. Just as well Bettman didn’t know about the Juice-Boy format, when the urgent need to abolish ties w/o playing hockey arose.
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by redlineblue on Oct 28, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
…actually I think Juice Boy would be more entertaining ;) But maybe that’s just because our team is so damn hilarious when they play it.
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I’d much rather see strip shootout, but maybe that’s just me.
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I’m so tired of our players being objectified.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I consider the losing team (in OT or shootout) as earning a Bettman point.since the winning team earns 2 points in any case.
On your side note, the “regular” OT’s and the shootouts count the same, but at least now they’ve changed the tie breaker so that regular OT’s count more than shootouts. So there is now a difference.
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The winning team in the SO gets the Bettman point because that point never existed before, but the loser would have always gotten a point with a tie. The team that gets a point for losing in OT would never have gotten that point, so that’s the Bettman point, but the winner would always get the 2 points so there is no problem there. You’re half right.
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What about the half win?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 29, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Fehrsie looks like an ax murderer
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by boutros23 on Oct 28, 2010 7:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Skinner looks like someone whose pet puck is running away.
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If you've read this far...seek help.
The linesman looks like he’s been posed in the “sportswear” department at the Sears Men’s Store
If you've read this far...seek help.
Are the ’Canes Ice girls straddling the railing?
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Indeed. Horizontal pole dancing?
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I thought we didn’t make sex jokes in the Clips thread!
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
As with anything, common sense and decency are what matter. I didn’t think “horizontal pole dancing” was too terribly offensive (though it has veered us off topic).
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who the hell made that draconian rule?
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I thought all jokes were OK, provided they’re, you know, funny.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 28, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i'm bored today
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Looks like the Mayor from Roger Rabbit.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The axe actually makes him look like a tearful lumberjack. Paging John Erskine?
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I"ve read the two 'Canes blogs
And the sum up seems to be:
The team has jet lag
The officiating sucked
Ovie left his feet for a borderline dirty hit against LaRose.
I can buy the first one, because they did just come off a monster roadtrip. What about the second two? I missed most of the game.
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Not really and yes, respectively (though I’d emphasize “borderline” and that in the pantheon of questionable AO hits, this one isn’t even in the attic waiting to go on display… but he did leave his feet).
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Thanks J.P.
I did catch most of the first period and most of the third, and I didn’t see a huge amount of bad officiating. Just the normal level of omg what were you thinking, Refs?
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Not even that from what I saw. Thought they got most of the calls and non-calls right (obviously the Steckel non-interference being the most controversial).
If anything, Caps fans have a right to complain about MG52 getting called for having the audacity to hit Eric Staal from the side late in the game (though it was somewhat slewish, I suppose).
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Slewkneeing will be put in the rulebooks and known as “the Mike Green Rule.”
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by jordanDC on Oct 28, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and don’t forget the no-goal call in the 2nd where the puck was under Nuevi. I’m sure that’s got the Canes fans up in arms, that would have made it 1-1.
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
I’d swear that what a late whistle, anyway, so I’m glad the call went our way.
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what sruprised me about that was they never showed us an overhead replay of all that, even if it doesn’t give a better angle, just show us anyways so we can see what the guys in Tor get to see
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I didn’t see any overhead camera angles in this game, maybe they weren’t working? or they don’t have them in carolina (doubtful)
The only direct overhead I saw last night was a replay of Steckel and Ward @ the Hendricks goal, a few minutes of play after it happened. (BTW, that replay makes it look like there’s, I dunno, blue paint or something right in front of the goal, just a foot or so behind Ward’s feet when he and Steckel collided. Probably irrelevant, but I couldnt help noticing…)
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They reviewed the call and the puck was never in the net. WTF more do they want?
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…okay, clearly I missed the evolution of the nickname “The Truth”. Can you explain?
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It’s from clips yesterday in the discussion of a trade for Lundqvist. J.P. was talking about the value of keeping Neuvirth depending on whether Neuvirth is the truth, I said I thought Neuvirth would reveal himself to be the truth, and later in the thread (after I predicted a beat down) J.P. said The Truth would save us.
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I think someone missed a prime opportunity last night to post an image of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men with the heading “Carolina, You Can’t Handle the Truth”.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
There will (hopefully) be plenty more opportunities throughout the season.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve got a pic for this. Somene remind me to post tonight, can’t access it right now.
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by bilspacecadet on Oct 28, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Carl Williams wonders where all this love was when he was still in his prime.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was a good call after seeing the replay. The hit was fine but he did use his leg to trip him up, no doubt with help from big E Staal.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
very light call, with an assist to EStaal going down like a heap of bricks
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The thing is, Green didn’t have to slew-knee him. The initial contact was enough to get Stall off the puck. Green just wanted to take him down. Silly penalty to take.
You had me at no problem.
I personally wouldn’t have called it a penalty.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think that’s Green “wanting” to take him down. That’s a play that gets made all the time, basically holding onto the guy after you’ve separated him from the puck (without “holding” him).
It’s more like Staal “wanted” to go down. Most guys keep their footing in that situation. I’m not saying I blame him, either, given the score at the time.
Not a “weak” penalty other than the slight divey hint to it. Not really a boneheaded play by Green either, though.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What stood out for me last night was the work of our bottom rungs on both offense and D: Steckel played his best game of the season, showing a nose for the net and displaying a handle that has been absent the first two weeks; Hendricks simply wins pucks and battles along the boards with speed and anticipation, and Brads chipped in 5 hits (if the effed up NHL.com stats are to be believed). Notwithstanding the stats, they all brought it last night.
On defense, John Erskine really stepped up to play a fine game and Tyler Sloan did as well: timely pinches and 7 attempts at net in the offensive zone, and good breakouts with no gaffes in the defensive zone. Very solid.
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This might be my favorite line from any recap, courtesy of the News Observer:
Just like the Washington Capitals to come in and ruin a good thing.
Made me laugh, for a few reasons :P
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The Caps won 3-0, getting a near flawless game in goal by Michal Neuvirth, who earned his first career NHL shutout.
That was a great line too. What’s a goalie have to do to have a flawless game? Score a goal too?
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Well, in fairness to the author, I can recall one bad rebound (that obviously turned into nothing) and a post or two that bailed him out. So yeah… near flawless.
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Horseshoes and hand grenades, still flawless by any objective metric.
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I don’t think that’s a very “de jure” definition of sports flawlessness. After all, if Neuvy’s positioning isn’t terrific all game, the Canes don’t have to keep aiming for Top Cheese, and the post isn’t a factor on the 2 on 1 chance.
Anyway, I think part of perfect goaltending is definitely playing well enough that the opposition flubs later chances due to frustration over previous great saves.
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You need to go read Bourne’s THN piece about shooting.
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I read it. Understood it. Seems to back me up, actually. Shooters can beat goalies even when the goalie has all the info. Of course there are always “holes” in a moving goalie, and yet. “Ping.” Can’t be the first shut-out helped by a post, even this year. Hell, probably not since monday.
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The point I’m making is that if Staal makes his shot on a couple of occasions, Neuvy gets beat.
He didn’t have the look to me tonight of a goalie who was controlling events, he had the look of a goalie who played a great game and got very, very lucky on a few occasions.
I would say that a “flawless” game would define one that does not require Staal to choke.
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I just don’t know of any game where a goalie doesn’t get ANY help (defining help as any of the following: D that robs a shooter, shooter who misses an opportunity, or a puck that bounces over a skate, where a goalie would have no chance) to go with great play.
Been watching hockey since 1979, season ticket holder in 3 cities for a total of 14 seasons. Never seen a shut out that didn’t have at least 2 of the 3 forms of “help.”
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John Vanbiesbrouck, game 4 Florida vs. Avs.
He lost, but he played almost two full games of essentially flawless hockey. It was un-fricking-believable.
That’s just the first one that comes to mind.
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I remember them VERY well. Was wearing my old Rangers Beezer Jersey. And that was a sweep against florida, and the Avs did miss a couple of shots in each game. But I would agree they were flawless. I just don’t agree with a literal definition of flawless in sports. I think it’s an unfair definition.
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I was just talking about game 4, which went to 3OTs. Beezer was essentially flawless for the first 5 periods. It was insane.
But I take your point about flawlessness. The enemy always has a vote.
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If you asked Neuvy (or Irbe) after the game if he was “flawless,” what do you think they’d say?
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Again, not in the spirit of the thing. I’ve never seen “flawless” goaltending in 30 years. I’ve seen amazing goal tending that included luck and missed chances by the offense in (probably) hundreds of shut-outs.
I’ve also never seen a winger take 10 shots and score 10 goals, seen a center win every draw in a game then make a perfect outlet pass to a winger off every face-off win. Never saw a Defenseman make every possible hit, poke check every available puck, and push all rushing wingers out wide in one game either.
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Right. Which is why you should never see the word “flawless” used. Words have meanings. Guys who get paid to put them together into pleasing and informative combinations know this and proceed accordingly.
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Blast! I hit cancel. I had this articulate statement about the comparative value of semantics not being “just” semantics vs. the intention of meaning based on structure of the sentence and the circumstances/events being written about. And sports writers who want emotion in pieces vs. those who don’t, Argh! It’s was eloquent. “Near flawless” in fact. :-P
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Baseball has its “perfect” games by pitchers, although I’m sure someone here would argue that it can’t be perfect or flawless unless they throw no balls.
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 28, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
can we agree on “impenetrable?”
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Irbe would probably go on a long diatribe about how the US is turning into something that reminds him of soviet russia.
/anyone remember that from caps con?
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Question for all you goalies out there. What could/should have Ward done with that rebound that led to NB19’s first goal? Seems to me that was a pretty hard, sharp high shot that Ward did well to deflect to the side and not the slot. NB was inside the circle when he scored the goal. If anything, the defense and forwards need to make sure to get a stick on him. Looks like the forward was marking Ovi down the middle and the dman should have been closer to NB to make sure he didn’t get a stick on it.
Ovi and NB did a great job of spacing out and creating the room which allowed for them to get the rebound. You can see NB purposely go wide when he saw Ovi go down the slot. An example of what Alan May talked about in terms of getting three guys in their lanes to attack the net.
Also, read that the Hurrincane’s TV guys were still convinced that the first goal was goalie interference. The fact that Ward didn’t go crazy right after the play should have been a clue that it was not interference. The ref was right on top and gave the “safe” sign right after the contact. A great non-call and perfect interpretation of the rule.
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Maybe risky, but Ward could have reached across his body and got that shot in his glove rather than playing it with his blocker. Might have been too hard a shot to play it that way, though.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
I think that would have been a tough play. I almost think the best play might have been to let the shot go cause it looked like it was heading wide. Not sure though based upon the camara angle.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
D should have tied up Backstrom’s stick for sure. Easier said than done when you’re dealing with a guy as shifty as Backstrom, as he no doubt was doing what he could to avoid being tied up, of course.
As for the G playing the shot, I’ll leave that to the guys that have more experience with the tools of ignorance.
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The Stex play happens so high in the crease, I think it’s hard to call that interference. Stex is entitled to be there. Ward was fairly deep in his crease just before that (then the video replay pans left to Erskine for the initial shot so you don’t see Ward and Stex), so he had to have come out to Stex and not the other way around.
I think an unencumbered Stex screened Ward, and Ward came out to cut off the angle on Erskine’s shot and so he could see around Stex, but Ward came out too far and entangled himself with Stex.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The Stex play happens so high in the crease,
Wasn’t it called a goal because Ward wasn’t in the crease at all when the contact was initiated? I seem to remember half a skate length of ice between his foot and the crease.
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That is part of the issue. Ward was clearly above of and out of the crease. Being in the crease is one of the criteria for goalie interference.
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Ward came out too far and entangled himself with Stex
This is the crux of it to me – neither man had position on the ice, both arriving at a spot at the same time, more or less. Had Ward been there first, even outside the crease, even with no intent from Stecks, I think the proper call would’ve been no goal (and no penalty, faceoff outside the zone).
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If Steck hit Ward when Ward was without the puck, it could be a straight interference call and 2 minutes, I think.
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Its a penalty only if the contact was intentional and deliberate, which it was not. The only call they could have made was no goal.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. Hence my “could.”
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And Stecks was skating backwards which goes to the fact that his contact was unintentional and incidental.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Some guys are very practiced at that, but I agree that Steckel couldn’t have expected Ward to be out that far when he started backing up.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Yeah, if it was Knubs I would have said it was “intentionally unintentional”. I’m not going to give 39 that benefit.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Knubs wouldn’t have fallen on his ass. He’d have been sideways.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, if skating backwards gets you off the hook for interference, Tomas Holmstrom might play until he’s 100.
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well reaching across with the glove would have been about impossible to do. The only time goalies do that is with really slow shots and Knuble let off a pretty quick wrister. That’s more something you see goalies do in C league because guys shoot so slow.
Ward played the shot correctly and even followed his own rebound instantly but Backstrom got the shot off extremely quickly.
I know you say you think he put the rebound to the side but it goes directly into the slot all the way to the hash marks on the circles.
So that was where stuff went wrong, he could have rolled his wrist more and put it into the corner or even put it into the corner on his left.
Anyway, it’s just one of those things, even playing “perfect” technically leaves certain things to be exploited.
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He could have also tried to pop the rebound up into the stands like Neuvirth did all night.
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That’s true too. I find that really hard to do with the blocker (on purpose) consistently. That’s usually done more with the stick. Was Neuvy throwing them with his blocker all night? I can’t remember, just wondering.
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He could have angled the blocker so that even if it doesn’t go into the stands it still goes up in the air and makes it much more difficult for Backstrom to pot the rebound. But that’s along the same idea you mentioned of doing a better job at rolling his wrist and directing the rebound.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, they’re going to go, they don’t win their games, because they’ve got, you know, they’re the Miami Heat of the NHL right now, if you will. But if they play like the, you know, the Capitals of last season, then it’s a one-on-one play, and it’s not a team concept, and they don’t have the chemistry that they’re supposed to have, then they’re not going to win the championship that they hope to win.
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by b.orr4 on Oct 28, 2010 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought Ovechkin was as dumb as a bag of hammers
Or a bag of size 10 wing tips, depending upon your preference for such things.
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by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I think he has some good points. Yes, the Miami Heat thing is baffling (I suppose we can look at it as a compliment in that he agrees we have a wicked amount of talent), but dismissing his comments because he still talks like he did in the locker room? He does know hockey; as much as we hate to admit it. AAAAAnd even a blind man can see that our season has not taken off in a good way; especially AO’s game. Even last night he made a ton of bone-headed mistakes. I’m positive that it’ll get better, but bashing Milbury’s comments because it’s Milbury is kinda silly. Even he can make a good point every once in a while.
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bashing Milbury’s comments because it’s Milbury is kinda silly. Even he can make a good point every once in a while.
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Haha I hate him too, but I agreed with what he said about AO. I mean it is dumb as a sack of bricks to charge into defenses like he’s been doing. His point production (or lack there of) is evidenced by it.
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Lack of apparent chemistry is also alarming, as he points out.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
And he’s definitely on to something by drawing sweeping conclusions ten games into the season.
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He pretty much is saying that if things don’t change, they can’t reasonably expect to win. Is that really misguided?
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Ok.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 28, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone wins! Gold stars all around!
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank God the Caps aren’t under .500 ten games into the season, or they’d have no chance at winning the Cup this year.
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think he has some good points
I simply don’t understand what he’s trying to say. I can’t parse the quote.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can barely register a thought when he starts his Miami Heat thing… which, again, I think he means our team has a crazy amount of talent. The rest, I think, is pretty obvious. He credits “Chara’s shut-down defense” more to Ovechkin’s stupid play, and that the team seemed to be lacking any chemistry. He also highlights the fact that the Caps haven’t done anything to bolster the defense. Aside from the Heat comment, it’s all pretty true. No?
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Yeah, we got a crazy amount of talent, that is true. But it’s home grown talent, as opposed to what the Heat did.
If the Caps did that, it would be the Caps getting Sid Crosby and Steven Stamkos to the team as free agents. (Or should I substitute some good defenders for either Stamkos or Crosby.)
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Aside from the verbal diarrhea, I’m not really sure what he’s inferring there, either. Is he saying the Caps have bought up the best players e.g. the Heat and the Yankees, but have no chemistry?
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by snakegriffin on Oct 28, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s implying; you’re inferring.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 28, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Looks like a Sarah Palin tweet to me. Maybe he contracted out.
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Not a bad line, but just a reminder — especially in October of an election year, this is the place folks go to get away from all that crap.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(In other words, this thread ain’t off the rails yet despite that name coming up, and we should keep it that way)
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It is as if someone beat him with his own shoe before he sat down to write.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
damn, that’s some quality work. nice job!
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Does anyone else live in DC and/or have RCN? I went to my future sister-in-law’s birthday dinner only to come home and find that my DVR had a “Playback Error” and CSN-HD was “Temporarily Off-Air” until just after the game. Anyone else experience a similar situation? I will be home for the game tonight, so I’ll be able to see if the error repeats; I’m just a little frustrated, and RCN is, of course, not responsive.
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by QuintinLainged on Oct 28, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Must’ve just been a problem with HD. Too bad they didn’t broadcast SD on the HD channel while they worked to bring HD back up.
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RCN is definitely a crappy service. If I wasn’t living in GW housing I would definitely switch to Comcast.
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by QuintinLainged on Oct 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve had so many problems with Comcast in the past, we went for RCN, as those are the only two options in our building, because there’s no FIOS and they won’t let us put up a dish. This is this first time it’s happened, for me, but if it happens again tonight I’ll give them a call.
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Mike Green's skating
We were talking about this a bit yesterday, but does anyone else get the sense that Green has regained the step he seemed to have lost last season? He seems to have that elite skating ability that he had when he scored 30.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 28, 2010 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
Roger. He’s trimmed down from the last two years and he looks much quicker/faster as a result.
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He hasn’t sacrificed strength on his skates, either. I’m really liking what I’m seeing from him so far, even though the offense isn’t there yet.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 28, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the lack of offense this team had while he was gone is evidence of the offensive impact he is having. He may not be putting up the goals or points quite yet, but he’s definitely having a positive impact on the team’s ability to score goals.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That T-Rex in the Caps' rear view mirror...
would be the Tampa Bay Lightning. They are fun to watch and will compete with the Caps for the SE mightily, IMO. St Louis had a beautiful game winner last night against the Pens.
rear view mirror??? http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?type=DIV#&navid=nav-stn-div you saying we’re driving in reverse? ;)
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Kudos to the Lightning. They’ve put together a team that can compete. But even with Stamkos having almost as many points himself as does the Caps top line. Even with Martin St. Louis finding the fountain of youth, even with guys like Dominic Moore and Sean Bergenheim getting three and four goals, the Lightning are only one thin point ahead of the Caps.
You might say that things will even out, that Stamkos and St. Louis will come back to earth a little bit, but Lecavalier and Gagne will rebound from slow starts, but that goaltending situation at the moment looks rather grim. Neither Smith nor Ellis have save percentages over .900, and both are near over the 3.00 GAA level.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. If Stamkos ends up with 164 points, the Lightning are going to be real tough to catch.
Once the goals stop coming so thick and fast, their D and G are going to be a problem. They’re going so well on O right now that they’re not giving up a ton of shots – which I presume comes from spending a ton of time on the offensive zone – but they’re letting in far too many of them.
Last year, when Gabo was on fire, the Rags shot out to a great start. When he cooled off, we saw how that ended.
Way too early to anoint the Lightning as anything other than a team with a nice start.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
During last night’s NJ-SJ game the announcers mentioned that the Devils have given up 19 2nd period goals. They had scored (at the time) 15 total goals all season. Now the numbers are 20 2nd period GA and 17 total GF.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Lecavalier and Gagne will rebound from slow starts
Will they? I could see Gagne but Lecavalier’s been sliding a bit over the last few years. Still a dangerous offensive weapon but I don’t see him being dangerous enough – anymore – to make up for what they’d lose if Stamkos and/or St. Louis either level off more or get injured for a significant period of time.
Plus, while those 18 points for Stamkos are impressive, we know better than most how tough it is to have such one-dimensional offense. It’s especially tricky when he needs to keep up that scoring pace just to keep his team in games – Tampa’s only had 2 games where they’ve given up less than 3 goals.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Well now I have to rec this.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Oct 28, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
But it was awesome to see Brads on the ice. He and Hendricks go together like……….well two really awesome things. (simile fail) #needsmorecoffee
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Oct 28, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Re: Birthday Boy Benoit Hogue
I had forgotten Hogue played here. But then it was the final 9 games of his career in 2001-2002 in a career where he did move around often.
NYI writer Chris Botta has a good story on him :
Hogue was so fast and so talented – and yes, often distracted and wildly inconsistent – teams like Phoenix, Tampa Bay and Dallas gave him contracts even when it was clear his best days were behind him. They loved him so much in Dallas, they made him a Star three times.
About 90 minutes before his first game as an Islander, Hogue and I spoke briefly. In his thick French Canadian accent, he told me he was thrilled to be an Islander. That was nice to hear. I asked him if it was because he had friends in New York. He said no. I asked if he really hated his coach or the surroundings in Buffalo. Negative. He looked at me right in the face, put his arm around me and said, "Chreeece, it’s just good to be on an NHL team where there’s someone with a nose as beeeeg as mine."
I can’t find any Caps pics of him, probably unsurprsisingly so. So here’s a card of him on the Isles. (By the way if you have the 1991-1992 Sabres card of Benoit Hogue—the pic on the back of it is Sabres teammate Dean Kennedy)
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hogue still lives on Long Island, spending his time toying with beer league hockey players.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
So what are folks’ ratings of:
MP as 2nd line center last night?
TF as 3rd line center last night?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions
I was just going to post about how.. disinterested they both looked. I sure hope Matty isn’t feeling comfortable yet.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Perreault and Laich looked like they were out of synch. A few icings there where Laich seemed to be trying to start the breakout but Perreault wasn’t where the puck was, etc.
I mentioned it last night in the Recap, but I think that Carolina played the Semin line a little closer than the AO line. 21-85-28 seemed like they didn’t have a ton of room to move all night long.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well considering that the top line’s been struggling to score, and in our last game Semin got a hat trick, it makes sense they might play his line a little closer
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I loved Perreault’s energy level and drive. Face-offs could have been better, and it’s true he didn’t produce, but I thought he was playing the way he needs to play in order to stick with the Caps.
Flash didn’t help create anything, and once again it seemed to be the 3rd line(and the 1st line) getting pinned in their own zone constantly.
You had me at no problem.
That’s just the thing.. I don’t think Perreault was showing that energy or moving his feet enough. His penalty was also pretty awful, and I’m still trying to figure out what he was trying to do there. I guess maybe tap the puck and then jump around the guy, but that seems like a pretty low-percentage play.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Yeah, I noticed that he got knocked down a few times and, instead of jumping up and getting back in the play, he looked around to see what was going on. It was a little strange.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That definitely was a terrible penalty. I had forgotten that one. Not only was it offensive zone on the power play, but he just swung his stick right into the guy’s gloves. Hooking 100% of the time in the NHL.
You had me at no problem.
Flash went 6/6 on faceoffs through two periods which was nice.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Maurice and his players should be embarrassed by that stat.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 28, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This reminded me of Bradley giving the refs a WTF MATE when he touched the puck before the Canes for the icing race and it was still whistled. That was easily one of my favorite parts of the game and it actually worked since the ref then put the FO at center ice instead of the Caps zone. I was impressed with the zebra making the change there.
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I had a question on that, though. If the play shouldn’t have been whistled, why does the faceoff go to center ice instead of staying in the zone? That’s still penalizing the Caps for a referee error.
/I assume it’s in the rulebook, of course.
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I don’t know the rule. I’m pretty sure it was chosen because it was the most fair starting location. Neither team should get a free chance at offensive zone possession off a draw based on an error.
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From Rule 81.2:
If the Linesman shall have erred in calling an "icing the puck"
infraction (regardless of whether either team is short-handed), the
puck shall be faced-off on the center ice face-off spot.
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by apk3000 on Oct 28, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
: Calling iwearstripes to the front desk. :: we need an official answer or some kind of CPA knowledge =D
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Well it seems you have your answer already.
Curiously, USA Hockey does things differently. USA Hockey places the face-off at the point nearest to the puck when the play was blown dead. In which case, the erroneous icing call would have resulted in an attacking zone draw for the caps.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Flash played a solid game. Enough so that I noted as much while watching, anyway.
by mechanicsville on Oct 28, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If anyone was thinking about buying a jersey (Winter Classic or other), today might be a good day. NHL.com has free customization.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Damn, that and a couple of WC chotckies and I think that’s how I’m spending lunch.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Or chotchkies, assuming that spelling is even right.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Obligatory caution statement: You get what you pay for. The customization is awful on replica jerseys.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
But if its free, then you don’t feel bad about paying nothing for it!
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by twistedlogic on Oct 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Even through the league’s shop?
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant specifically through their shop, yes.
My Laing jersey from a couple seasons ago is in bad shape. The lettering is all curling (not peeling, but curling), and the ink has pretty much completely faded off the weagle patches. Better than having a blank jersey though, I guess.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Weirdly fitting when you think about it, considering how badly Laing has been decimated by injuries :-/
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 28, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. I think mine came from Modell’s a couple of years ago and I don’t have lettering problems, but I have noticed fading on the weagle patches. I assumed I did something to it in the wash.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Mine are completely faded, but I’ve had it since the start of the ‘07-’08 season (first time I could rightly afford a jersey). No lettering problems, just a lot of wear on the sleeves. It held up well considering I wore it every game day since I bought it…
Caps 'n Bears
Do you have fabric lettering, or the shiny painted stuff?
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Yeah, that’s how most of the stuff you can buy at Mo’s or Dick’s is, and it’s a pretty good middle ground for quality/price. You don’t get that from the NHL online store, though. Just poorly-dyed letters pressed on.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
I haven’t done much business through them (maybe 2 authentics), thanks for the heads up.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
My GF has a Laich jersey from NHL Shop, and it looks pretty decent.
I find tumble drying helps keep them from getting messed up.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who washes their jerseys?
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Me. Her detergent smells unacceptably girly for use on a hockey jersey.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Having bought them for everyone in the family, and from different sources, my guess is it’s a crapshoot. One of them came from nhlshop, and I think it’s fine. It also depends on how picky you are, I’ll bet, although I definitely saw one at Verizon recently that looked bad from a distance.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Discussed the availability of Alex Sulzer here the other day, so here’s a follow up bit with Coach Trotz’s thoughts on his excellent play in Suter’s absence:
"I was a little concerned with Sulz’ play at the end of last year," Trotz said. "We met in the summer, and I went over some film with him. He really made a determined effort to listen to what I was saying and hopefully I was trying to articulate it correctly.
Like I said the other day, he’s not really a rookie, yet could be had for very little. Someone to keep an eye on if the Caps’ need for a 4D increases.
"Sulz has done a really good job of staying prepared, staying positive, and keeping his game where it needs to be," Trotz said. "I compliment him. It’s all him. I really didn’t have anything to do with it. He’s determined to be a full-time top-six defenseman and I applaud him for that."
weird
My thoughts there in the middle should really be at the bottom of that comment. HTML/user fail.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Have to admit that he sounds like a Sloanskine.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Why? Sloan and Erskine would be (no joke) the 10/11D in our organization. There’s no measurement that I can see where they’re equivalent. Sulzer is an average NHL defenseman, which Sloan and Erskine can’t say.
At any rate, I’m just following up on yesterday’s conversation regarding available defensemen.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps, and I know nothing about Sulzer, but based on those two quotes, he sounds like a less experienced version of them, is all.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Less experienced, no doubt, but only because of Nashville’s depth and his late arrival from Europe. From what (admittedly limited) I’ve seen of the Caps defense, he’d immediately be the 5th best in the Caps’ organization.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Germany. He has over 300 games of German pro experience, plus this year’s Olympics.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless he’s better than what Trotz is indicating, he would be 6th best. The Caps have a solid top 5 – it’s 6/7D where the issue is.
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Whoops, I forgot about Schultz. You’re right, then – 6th. My bad.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Trotz’s expectations are higher…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
What Quintin will likely be wearing for the Victoria Salmon Kings
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Beauty.
And good to see old Laing sign.
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by J.P. on Oct 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
How long have you been waiting to say that?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s an adaptation of my lifelong dream that Alex Auld and Robert Lang would get new contracts on the same day.
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Man, I love minor league jerseys. If I had the money I would own so many of them.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I also came across this online
I don’t know if it convinced Q or not:
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Per ECHLund:
Malkin to the Salmon Kings
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I cant even find merchandise on their website or a working ECHL store.
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by QuintinLainged on Oct 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Might have to get myself a Salmon Kings shirt.
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by QuintinLainged on Oct 28, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I was checking to see Ovi’s ice time and it looks like the official NHL summaries dont have any stats for the first two periods. In fact, on the official Event Summary it notes that the game didn’t start until 8:58 pm. Sounds like a certain official scorer was doing some pregaming in the RBC parking lot.
Anyone know what Ovi’s even strenght shift length was?
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
*By any stats i mean specifically TOI stats.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I had glanced at them after the first period and he was running at about 45-50 seconds per shift. There was one monster 2+ minute shift in there, as well, but there had to be an icing or something in the middle – no way he was out there for that long unless it was a PP. And he was out on the PP for one long shift, too.
Of course there’s no way to confirm this (or see how they went the rest of the game) until the NHL fixes the stats from last night, all of them are messed up.
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I’m glad others were having this problem. I was checking the recap after the game and nhl.com was trying to convince me that Neuvirth had a 10-save shutout.
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Yeah, I did a fair bit of whining about it last night – it’s not fun to write a recap without those stats to help you out.
But I’ve probably complained about it more than enough :P The recap went up, all is well with the world, and apparently John Erskine is still skating in that game.
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And both Erskine and Sloan averaged almost three minutes a shift.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 28, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I did note that Ovi was out for a regular shift that ended with a Canes penalty. Instead of putting him out there with the first unit PP guys, he actually went off.
As an aside, anyone know exactly how they monitor the time of guys on and off the ice? They must have multiple guys just watching the benches to monitor who is on and off. Either that or high tech scanners that read who is on the ice and who’s not. Considering the league still employs guys 50 rows behind the goal to push buttons when they think they see the puck over the goal line, perhaps the scanner idea is a bit far fetched.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe that’s what the folks in the penalty boxes are watching. IIRC, there’s two NHL folks per box, so maybe one is watching the line changes and the other is handling door duties and fresh pucks
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
I think there is only one per box, plus one other person to turn the red “tv time out” light on. Why that person needs to be in the penalty box is beyond me. Gotta be more than one person per team to do all that, no? Lots of guys to keep track of.
BTW, my dream job would be a penalty box guy. Great seats to games, very little work to do and you probably get to hear some pretty amazing conversations. Plus if you were the home team guy when Hunts was playing, all the free Diet Coke you could drink. I would think the main qualifications would be the ablity to tell time, open a hockey door, walk across ice in dress shoes and no need to go to the bathroom more than every 40 minutes or so.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a real job and I’m not even sure they get paid. It’s very part time and I think you get those jobs by being active in USA Hockey or other organizations. One of my ex-coaches is one of the penalty box guys for the Islanders.
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I’d do it for free. And do they still have guys from other teams working the playoffs? I seem to recall announcement back at the old Cap Centre that “Today’s off ice officials are from the Rangers”, etc.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I might have mentioned near the top of one of the GDT’s yesterday it was running about :57.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The last time I checked TOI, Ovie had 8:18 and Erskine and Slone had over 27:00. =)
(Yes, I know about the avatar hounding - just pretend mine is invisible.)
You could tell it was the first home game for the Canes. I had to wait for this morning to look at the event summary, it was so messed up last night. At one point they had Erskine with 39 minutes played.
Given that some of us around here are fans I figured this info would be good to pass along.
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Makes sense. Why burn an ELC year when they won’t contend anyway?
Nice to see some professional management skills on display on the Isle.
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On the other hand, his first RFA year could be more expensive now. There are arguments on both sides wrt contract flexibility, so this should be (and I’d say probably is) a development decision.
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by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions
The last two Cup winning goalies as of now are ranked 40th and 41st out of 41 in SV% in the league. But hey, they are only 38th and 41st in GAA.
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright guys
I have a confession. I have a time machine and I really wanted to settle the debate on this save.
I flew to Carolina and told Eric Staal to shoot five hole. And well…boring predictable result.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 21 recs
You bastard.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sooooooo….Staal should have aimed high blocker side. Neuvy had no chance!!!
by S h a g g y on Oct 28, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, for real. I’ll try telling him to go far side next time but I need to make a “deal” for more plutonium first.
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by zephyr on Oct 28, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The obvious play is to put the puck off the inside of the stanchion between the glass, catch a little bounce off the water bottle on the top of the goal, off Neuvy’s butt-end, and into the net.
I mean, for the kind of money he makes, he should be able to do that.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a highly paid professional.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Robbery!
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by Christoph J on Oct 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
This so made my day. Thanks Z.
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 28, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, made my evening for sure!
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by RockinRed4Life on Oct 28, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Ruh-roh
“The Caps have lost both visits to the Xcel Energy Center since Ovechkin’s arrival in 2005 — and are 0-4-1 in St. Paul since the Wild entered the NHL in 2000.”
These Wild games have been among the most boring I’ve watched in my esteemed tenure as a Caps fan. The “Wild” could not be more antithetically named.
They will lose again because everyone saw the Montreal series and BB can’t adjust and AO will never come off the ice.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 28, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what she said?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of the value of a definition...
repeating something over and over is NOT a meme. Ironically repeating something is also NOT a meme. It’s so far from being a meme that it makes me want to be people over the head with the 1/2 ton of Acid that the Double Rainbow guy failed to OD on.
In order for something to be a meme it must simultaneously 1) be recognizable be people FAR outside the original audience (i.e. must “go viral”), & 2) be modified in a way that significant alters the subject of the meme from what the subject original intended by the author while maintaining comprehensible/recognizable references to the original content and subject.
So this fails on both counts. 1) casual Hockey fans already know the clichés about the Caps first round loss last year, but your average 16 year old female non-fan in Kansas wouldn’t know what the hell you’re talking about so, it fails to go beyond the original audience. 2) Saying the Caps will lose a game (even ironically) because of cliché X doesn’t amount to significant alteration of the subject.
Sorry but this is the kind of thing that frustrates me. It’s how people end up changing the definition of words by using it totally incorrectly 8 million times. Grrr… /end of rant.
And not directed at you, Drinking Partner. just an unfortunate coincidence. J.P. and I were going back and forth about literal definitions earlier today.
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The word meme is still so young that it’s almost a neologism. The meanings of words are fluid, and they change over time. I tend to think that memes are not so strictly defined as this. The world is still deciding how to use this particular word.
This one doesn’t get me nearly so worked up as “unique”. It shouldn’t mean “unusual”! Just look at the Latin root!
You had me at no problem.
Well according to the logo mishap in the Post today, the Caps are just playing the Canes again, only in Minnesota.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 28, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
in all seriousness: the current incarnation of the Wild can’t play defense OR offense (except on the PP). Not worried.
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Just saw the Pens new Winter Classic jerseys. I dislike them even more than the Caps ones. I hope neither sell well.
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you should! all those stripes are liable to make you dizzy.
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Is that their secret plan for winning the Winter Classic?
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That kind of thing only works when you’re playing Brodeur.
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by Becca H on Oct 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What a sad attempt at a cash grab.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s…awful. I can’t believe they’ve had two shots at this and both have been way off the mark.
For those jersey geeks around here (and you know who you are) – even with the letters being a single patch and not individually stitched, the Caps’ WC jerseys are a million times better, no? Simple, classic, recognizable. The red pants are still growing on me, of course, but the rest is good.
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Becca, I have to agree.
I like the Caps WC Jerseys but I grew up watching the Caps in the ‘80, so maybe I’m just old. lol.
I’m going to reserve judgment until I see them both in person, but my initial take is that I don’t really like either.
The Blackhawks’ WC Jersey is still #1, with Detroit a distant second.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
It’ll be interesting to see how they look on the ice, that’s true. I like the Caps ones, though – personally I like the current jerseys the best out of all the incarnations, but the originals have a special place in my heart and I think they did a decent job of reproducing them for the Caps. The Pens’ jerseys are just hideous, though, at least in my opinion.
The jerseys from that Hawks/Wings WC were both really awesome, I’d agree with that. Also the only WC I’ve actively tuned in for and enjoyed all the way through, btw…
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It’s…awful. I can’t believe they’ve had two shots at this and both have been way off the mark.
I like the powder blues, but that’s just my $.02. Still, they could have gone with the early 80s ones (with yellow helmets of course) and been fine, to be honest.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
.......
To be honest, I liked the logo on the powder blue ones but hated the color – I would have preferred the one on the left here, much sleeker:
But that’s also just a personal opinion, not a huge fan of a light color like that for a hockey jersey. And yes, I suppose I like their first WC jerseys better than this one. What were they thinking?
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I really don’t know what they were thinking. The Reebok spokeman called it a “fusion” of many incarnations of different era jerseys. I wasn’t very impressed. It just looks a lot like they couldn’t make any tough choices and said, “Oh, let’s just use a bit of everything, and make them all blue—-ish.”
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I’ve seen a few people mention that the little scarf on the penguin was on the old jerseys – but (god help me) I was just looking at a history of their uniforms on the Pens’ site and didn’t see it anywhere. The skating penguin was there but not the scarf. Anyone have more info?
…incidentally the scarf is my favorite part, I think it’s adorable in spite of myself :P but it hardly screams “grr, scary hockey player coming through”.
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I think the scarf was used on either their original jerseys in their first season, or was used on letterhead and stuff but never on the jerseys.
In any case, the scarf is a nice touch for an outdoor game. Kind of ties the jersey into the event, which is fitting, because from the looks of the jersey January 1 figures to be the only time they’ll ever wear it.
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by iwearstripes on Oct 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
…incidentally the scarf is my favorite part, I think it’s adorable in spite of myself :P but it hardly screams "grr, scary hockey player coming through".
waddling penguins don’t scream "grr, scary hockey player coming through" either :) now every time I see that jersey I’m going to think “awwww, look at the widdle penguin with the cute widdle scarf!” Somehow, I don’t think that’s what the designers were going for!
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…true. My favorite nature fact, btw, is that penguins are actually faster on their stomachs then they are on their feet – just so many directions you could take that one, no?
But yes, look at his widdle scarf! BECAUSE IT’S COLD OUT, BRRRR. :D
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apparently Peerless is as intimidated as we are!
Nice work, Peerless. enjoyed reading it.
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The powder blues were fine because it’s an actual throwback. These are supposed to be a “fusion of retro imagery” so it doesn’t have any redeeming TBTC appeal.
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Seeing some of the closer shots on the Pens site, I’ve got to give them credit on a little bit of detail (the soccer geek in me marks out over the stuff inside the collar in shot 14).
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 28, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of like that little detail…although it sort of reminds me of personalized kippahs (if you’ve ever been to a bar mitzvah or a Jewish wedding, you may have seen kippahs/yarmulkes/skullcaps/whatevers with the event and the date “engraved” on the inside).
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if you’ve ever been to a bar mitzvah or a Jewish wedding, you may have seen kippahs/yarmulkes/skullcaps/whatevers with the event and the date "engraved" on the inside
Can’t say I have ever been. And from what I read today in here, I won’t be seeing a “kippah” Saturday night on HNIC versus the Caps either.
Ba-dum.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Russo’s afternoon update reports that Theo won’t start tonight :( Anyways, lots of goodies on his blog and twitter. If you’re not reading his stuff (and I know most of us already are!), make today the day you start.
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I kind of figured they wouldn’t start him against us (and am relieved, didn’t want to have to face him – it would have made me sad). And Russo’s the best, truly worth a follow and a regular visit.
Related, I saw someone complaining earlier about the Flames starting Eriksson, their backup, against the Avs tonight. He seemed to think that the Flames should have started the backup against us and Kipper against the Avs. Uh…are we not scary anymore? I don’t get the logic here.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
Whoever was complaining is actually right. The Avs and Flames are in the same division, you want to roll out Kipper to give you the best chance to win, and you need the points more against the Avs than you do the Caps.
Nashville did this last weekend against DAL/TBL. Rinne against the Western foe, Lindback against the Lightning. Pretty easy decision, IMO.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Kings have made a point of doing this as well. Played Bernier against the Blackhawks last night. He was pretty woeful.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Thank God. I need Quick to keep getting starts even if he hasn’t been very good.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
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Since the first week of the season.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Quick’s been pretty good, but the defense needs Doughty back bad.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
My fantasy stats say otherwise. He was great the first few starts but has been bleeding goals since. And yeah, that Doughty guy is alright.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Fantasy hockey trade proposal in your inbox, btw. First shot at it, anyway.
by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger. Pondering conflicting offers. :)
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by Chris Burton on Oct 28, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovie sounded a little relieved Theo not starting tonight, either.
Ought to be interesting. I was hoping to get a glimpse of Theo’s new mask, though.
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Havlat, yikes. The words of Havlat’s agent:
“When Chuck reached out to Marty Havlat two summers ago after he led Chicago to the conference finals while leading the team in points in the regular season and playoffs, he shared a vision of building an up-tempo offensive team with Marty as a pillar to this strategy,” Walsh said in an e-mail to the Star Tribune. "That’s why he signed with the Wild.
“Since that time, Marty has been used in a purely secondary role. Look at this season, he’s played four straight games at about 14 minutes of ice time, he’s used on the second power-play unit, he sits for long stretches, he’s not used in the shootouts. At a certain point in time, one has to ask, ‘Why is he here?’ One has to ask, ‘Why pay this guy $30 million to not play?’
“It’s like we are in a time warp and the coach has totally ignored or chooses to ignore what Marty has done offensively over the course of his entire career. People say the Wild don’t have a star player. The Wild have a dynamic offensive player right under their nose and yet choose not to use him to their advantage. Look around the league, what other team has a player like Marty Havlat wilting on the vine like this?”
Per Russo, of course.
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Allan Walsh, how I love his insanity. Remember the fight he had with the Wild last season over Sykora?
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Interesting Cartoon from a Denver paper in 2008
After a game in which Jose Theodore saved the Avs bacon versus the Wild.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 28, 2010 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Awesome. Theo’s jersey there is interesting. “Let’s see if I can remember… The name on the top of the back is more important than the name on the bottom… no, wait, that’s not right.”
RMProgram
Just a little old fashioned programming for the Russian Machine, coded for five goals and two assists for a seven point night. Now if I could figure out where the input slot is located …
F&B, are you writing the recaps at RMNB? “By the end there, Staal was overworked– looking like a frustrated badger tweaked out on nasal decongestants.”
which, come to think of it, is pretty much how he always looks.
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You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
Very sweet with three mentions of that game and Neuvy at the head of the list.
Whether it was merely a “good” or really a “great” goal, it was nevertheless a “no way are you going to score on me, so take that” kind of glove save by Neuvy. I do love his ’tude.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail: I meant “great goal save” of course.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 28, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
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