Wednesday Caps Clips: Caps @ 'Canes Game Day
by J.P. on Oct 27, 2010 6:40 AM EDT
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- Previews of tonight's rumble in Raleigh from Vogs, NHL.com, McNally, Peerless, RtR and KOL, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Canes Country for more coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Notes and assorted whatnot from yesterday's practice (including the latest on the injuries that, among other things, necessitated the recall Brian Fahey). [Caps365 video (Boudreau, players), Vogs, Carrera, Leone (the trickle-down impact on Hershey), bridgetds (pics)]
- Michal Neuvirth saves... and saves... and saves. [CSN Washington (Masisak)]
- The top line simply ain't gettin' it done. Yet. [WaPo (Carrera)]
- The issue of Alex Ovechkin's shift length goes (inter)national. [CBC (Friedman, with other Caps thoughts as well)]
- One-tenth the number of Friedman's "30 Thoughts," but no less insightful in total. [Box Seats]
- Day Two of the "AO does GQ" newscycle. [Puck Daddy]
- Hitting most of the key points on Alexander Semin and the eight or so months ahead in response to a HFBoards-quality trade proposal question. [ESPN (Buccigross)]
- Playing armchair GMGM. [RMNB]
- Ted Leonsis was on Elliot in the Morning yesterday. [YouTube]
- With Movember right around the corner, John Erskine is stepping up and reminding us that "fine moustachery and immaculate grooming doesn't grow on trees." [Movember (with an additional member of the organization helping the cause here)]
- D.C. United's horrible season... good news for the Caps? [StC]
- A few Caps bloggers take a seat at KOL's circular slab. [KOL]
- Sheldon Souray broke his hand fighting (again), but this time did it in the AHL. Smart. [HOTH]
- In other AHL injury news, Michael Nylander's injury is not career-threatening, which is, of course, great news. [Vancouver Sun]
- Finally, per the HHoF, on this date 25 years ago, "Washington's Gaetan Duchesne and Mark Taylor et a Capitals' club record by scoring six seconds apart in the first half minute in Chicago, in a 4-2 Caps' win over the Blackhawks." That's a nice start.
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Similar to Erskine’s movember attempt, there’s this.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
Trying to restrain from posting meme….trying…eh, can’t do it.
Added John Carlson: "He’s one of those goalies that just makes the defensemen feel good if he’s playing good. You know he’s going to keep playing good. The best thing about him is when we get down a goal or you know every goalie is going to give up a soft goal every now and then but he is always there with, ‘OK boys, I got this – they aren’t going to score on me again.’ Even if they do, just for him to be there with that state of mind gives the ‘D’ extra confidence that, ‘OK, we’ve got to battle for him because he’s going to battle back for us.’ I think that’s huge for the goalie-defensemen relationship."
Yeah, sounds like they really hate that guy.
3 games in 4 nights, all on the road in different timezones? No wonder Holtby is up and DSabs is back in Hershey.
Now, now
You can respect a guy’s talent and tenacity, while quite detesting him. (Just sidding…)
There's no 'i' in "team". But there's a 'nap' in "champion".
ZOMG! Teams are interested in Mike Green…
No need to click through – it’s just debunking yesterday’s Yandle rumors:
Saying teams are “interested” in a player is a bogus way to gauge anything. Probably 90 percent of the teams in the NHL are interested in Yandle; just as the Coyotes and 29 other teams are “interested” in Drew Doughty or Duncan Keith or Mike Green.
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In other AHL injury news, Michael Nylander’s injury is not career-threatening, which is, of course, great news. [Vancouver Sun]
Michael, when you’re in your late thirties and you’ve already spent a full season in another league because you can’t stick in the NHL full time anymore, any injury is career-threatening.
Best,
J. Heward
Atta dinnin stick a who!
That’s not a fair comparison. If Nylander was a UFA after two years in Washington, he’d have caught on with an NHL team. The only reason he “can’t stick in the NHL full time anymore” is his contract. Jamie Heward, on the other hand, played more games in the AHL and IHL (combined) than in the NHL because he wasn’t a terribly good player.
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Well the contract, and Nylander’s playing style just not matching the Caps style, but the Caps couldn’t move him except to the AHL and Europe.
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
Well the contract, and Nylander’s playing style just not matching the Caps style, but the Caps couldn’t move him except to the AHL and Europe.
His style is what prevented him from being able to stick with the Caps, not what prevented him from sticking in the NHL. That was wholly the doing of his contract.
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What you say is all true for last year, but I’m not convinced it’s still true.
The guy is going to be 39 at the start of next season. He won’t have played an NHL game in more than 2 years, and he won’t have played any kind of hockey at all for 11 months (he’s out 6 months, and the Amerks ain’t making the playoffs). I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a tryout somewhere, but I would be surprised if he makes an NHL team. I just think the odds are stacked against him.
I stand by the statement that any significant injury for a late-30s player is career-threatening. The margin for error is just so thin for any pro athlete at that point.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 27, 2010 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. But maybe if he was UFA after two years, he’d have gotten a two- (or even three-) year deal and would still be “sticking” in the NHL. I think we’d both agree that he’d stand a much better chance at being a 2011-12 NHLer if he was an NHLer in 2009-10 and 2010-11.
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I dont see why anyone would think Semin would be traded. This might make sense if we were not trying to win the cup, but come on. The only way he would get traded is if someone another contender wanted to swap multiple players, or a top notch D-man or goalie for him.
And we’re off to the right rail…
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by J.P. on Oct 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I gotta take issue with Bucci’s response. Why do we all of a sudden need a veteran net-minder? What exactly have we had the past two years? At some point the up & coming rookies have to get a chance to play, and even if we traded away Neuvi or Varly the other one probably wouldn’t get enough playing time. Varly’s got 3 NHL playoff series under his belt and Neuvi’s got a pair of Calder Cups and a Calder Cup MVP. Not to mention the facts that Lundqvist’s contract still has another 3 years after this one at $6.875. Uh-uh, no way do I want that ugly contract hindering our future with our young goalies.
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
It’s interesting how fans value their own players. I looked at that trade proposal and though immediately that there’s no way the Caps pull the trigger on it. An older, expensive goalie in Hank (although the Rabbits would love it) and a grinder that couldn’t stick in BUF in Kennedy…for a premium offensive talent and a young, cheap goalie. The Caps have grinders, and why burden the salary cap when Neuvy looks promising?
Then, of course, Bucci’s take was that the Caps would pull the trigger without a second thought.
I still think I’m right, but maybe I’m just overvaluing my own guys like a dumb fanboy?
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I would take that trade in a New York minute.
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And give up your hopes and dreams of Vokoun?
"This guy is an android. He's not human....Oh my goodness."
Lundqvist and Vokoun are 1A and 1B for my top goalies in hockey.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Hank’s got three more years after this one (and at a hefty salary). In fact, you could probably have Neuvy and Semin for the next two years at the cost of King Henrik and a 4th-line forward. I might have to rethink my initial response…
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Yeah, with that salary in mind, I’m not sure the delta between the effect Neuvirth has on this team and the effect Lundqvist has on this time is much larger, if any, than that between Semin and nameless fourth-liner. I might be singing a different tune if Neuvirth hadn’t started his season so strongly.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
That’s how I feel. Nothing about the way Neuvy’s been playing leads me to think he can’t hold his own in a Cup run (after the rest of the season to keep developing). It’s the team in front of him that I’m worried about.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell yeah. Sign me up. I would so want Hank on the Caps.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I personally wouldn’t take the trade just because I don’t believe that much cap space should be taken up by a goalie in today’s NHL. I’d rather get some depth down the middle and on the backline.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 27, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I completely disagree. That trade is highway robbery for the Rangers in terms of talent. Kennedy is a nothing, so it’s Semin and a good young keeper for Lundqvist.
If you change to Kennedy to Dubinsky or Callahan, then I’m interested. Lundqvist alone doesn’t interest me.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Right, but it’s Semin with no cost certainty beyond June 30, 2011.
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Ok. Fair enough. But on the other hand, the Caps would also be taking on extra salary to bring Hank in. So now we’ve lost Semin, still don’t have a decent #2C and we have no defensive depth and we’ve got no cap space left to address those issues.
Unless Hank comes with a side serving of #2C (Dubinsky) or #5/6D (Girardi? Del Zotto? Gilroy?), call me uninterested.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Yea, losing Semin from the second line just makes the entire line that much more of a question mark.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Laich, Flash, and Fehr on line 2? Scary.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Now we’ve got no scoring depth and no defensive depth. But we’ve got Hank.
That model has worked great for the Rangers the last few years, right?
Right?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
The Rangers don’t have AO or Nick. And they’re not constructed the way the Caps are depth-wise. This doesn’t suck (and is cheaper than what the Caps roll currently with MN30 and AS28, though I’d much rather move Varly, given the choice):
8-19-22
14-85-16
25-90-21
15-39-10
52-55
74-3
27-4
Lundqvist
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The Rangers don’t have Nick or AO, but they’ve got Gaborik, Frolov, Dubinsky, (Semin), Callahan, Stepan, Prospal, Drury and a much, much deeper defense.
And that roster is scary thin at defense and center. That’s just God awful.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
And that’s different than today how exactly?
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We’d be missing Flash at Center because he’s taking Semin’s spot on the wing? Errrr…
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
(And the Caps’ current roster kills the Rangers’, depth of C and D notwithstanding.)
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Does it though? While I agree that they Caps’ roster is clearly better, I think the marginal difference exists in a handful of players, and Semin is one of those guys. Trading him away to get Hank back negates one of the Caps’ advantages and doesn’t really offset any weaknesses.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Well, I think that AO, Nick and Green are far better than anyone on the Rangers’ roster at their respective positions (F/D). I think Semin and Gaborik are roughly equal, Fehr and Laich could be a wash with Dubi and Callahan, and so on.
And, of course, Lundqvist > Neuvirth. Take salary into consideration and it’s obviously much closer, but so hard to guage based on “potential” vs. “proven.”
Basically the argument is that the Caps could add an elite (top 3? 5?) G without giving up a foundational piece and be no worse off, cap-wise than they are today.
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I think that AO, Nick and Green are far better than anyone on the Rangers’ roster at their respective positions (F/D).
This is what I meant by the marginal difference existing in a handful of players. Overall, I think the Rangers have greater depth, it’s just that the Caps’ high-end players are much, much better than theirs.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
(See below – had to swing it out to the left to include an image)
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Callahan and Dubi are so far and away better than Laich and Fehr.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And skating. And playing D. One of them is a legit C. They are gritty bastards that are actually tough to play against. They are more versatile. Where are Fehr and Laich’s advantages?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m waiting for the “far and away better than” that I was promised and haven’t seen it yet.
Unfortunately, any of the quantifiable stats are biased by the fact that the Ranger forwards play in front of an elite goaltender, while the Caps forwards skate for a team that’s mediocre defensively.
I like Dubi and Cally, don’t get me wrong. And I’d take them in trade over the Caps pair. But I wouldn’t say they’re “far and away better.”
And Fehr’s the best offensive player of the four. Far and away.
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Fehr’s offensive ability is the only advantage I see in the Caps group. But on the other side, I consider Callahan to be damn near, if not already, elite in the PK. Stats aren’t going to prove “far and away,” it’s just my opinion. Basically, if that pair was swapped I’d coming away thinking we were just the latest team do expose how terrible Sather is at his job.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Eh, I agree. I’m doing too much arguing just to argue today.
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No you’re not.
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I was gonna say, this is the most active you’ve been on a Clips thread in a while.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Far and away may have been a bit much but I think we’d be getting the two best players in the trade (and two guys that would be able to fill more crucial roles for us).
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 12:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But I do want to be clear that if the Caps were going to waive buh-bye to Alex Semin, there are MUCH better ways to spend that $6+m than in between the pipes. MUCH better ways.
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No, currently the Caps are not losing games due to goaltending.
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At least not our goaltending.
/BB’ed
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why not take Staal and Gaborik while you’re at it?
Like J.P. said, fans tend to overvalue their team’s players, and I think a trade that would bring Lundqvist to the Caps would be terrific, even if it meant giving up Neuvirth and Semin.
So we’ve got a goalie. Yay.
We’d have a terrible second line, no center depth, no defensive depth, and no cap space.
Great move.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Yep. Beat me to it.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
But there was no center depth before! And no defensive depth! But you’re improving your goaltending, so at least the Caps will get better.
B’ah! What do you know anyhow?
What I’m saying is that very good teams like the Caps have to improve incrementally. And Lundkvist is that and more.
The problem is that it’s all about marginal costs and benefits. The marginal upgrade of Lundqvist over Neuvirth isn’t worth the $6m marginal cost, particularly when this team has major holes elsewhere.
It’s cheaper to upgrade C and D, and more useful.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I’d have thought the same this past summer, and yet…
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You’re referring to the ridiculous contracts given out to C’s and D’s, as opposed to the pittance that goalies were getting, right? Probably the better statement is that it’s a better use of marginal dollars to upgrade C and D. For the Caps at this juncture, anyway.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I agree that it’d be the best way for the Caps to spend their money. I also agree that it would’ve been a good way to have spent the money that they still have unspent. But that’s neither here nor there.
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GMGM is well aware of the fact that he has some money to spend, and spend he will. We’ll see a high-priced D-man around these parts in a few months, I reckon.
"Hockey is my life, wine is my passion." -- Igor Larionov
by Scott in Shaw on Oct 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
At what (asset) cost, though? If he spent in the summer, it’d be just money. Now it’s going to have to be money and player(s) and/or pick(s).
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Although given some of our prospect attrition, maybe it’s better to move the prospects early if you think you have a handle on what they’ll end up becoming. I bet Bouchard would have fetched more two years ago than he would today.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Exactly. There won’t be spots for everyone so try to make use of the guys that are more likely to get pushed out. It’s tougher to guess who those will be without giving them time to develop, but at least you don’t let them rot on the vine.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Totally agree. Maybe he didn’t like what was out there as far as UFAs, or was waiting for moves that didn’t happen or something. I get the sense that he thinks he has the players/picks to make the deals he needs to, though, and isn’t that concerned.
"Hockey is my life, wine is my passion." -- Igor Larionov
by Scott in Shaw on Oct 27, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Guessing that’s the pittance not spent on a veteran defenseman as opposed to seeing the Brian Fahey show again.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
How many teams win with one offensive line? Giving up Semin puts us in that boat (as does a Semin playoff disappearing act). Hank is also still on the books when we have to re-sign our young D so it potentially means losing one of them as well.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if there was some way to magically gives Semin’s value and get a 2C back, then we’d have a better 2nd line.
I’d rather have my 2nd line talent at C, and make do on the wings.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
An incremental improvement at the expense of a huge step back in another area.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While our center and defensive depth stays the same, our second line is essentially a 3rd line without Semin, and we lose an excellent young goalie, all for an expensive improvement at a position at which we weren’t weak to begin with.
"Now wait a minute. This is just purely a social call. You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 27, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A brilliant summary of all of the above arguments against.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I largely agree, but there’s a cost savings here AND this hinges on MN30 being the truth… because we already know that King Henrik is.
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I guess my problem with the idea is that so far MN30 hasn’t shown me any reason to doubt that he is (or at least will be) “the truth”. I might be singing a different tune in a few months.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
No disagreement there – he’s certainly given all indications that he’s legit. Hank, on the other hand has proven he’s legit.
Obviously, there’s risk there.
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And we already know that Hank can’t carry a one-line team through the playoffs and that our one line hasn’t carried us through the playoffs. Depth is the way to go.
Of course, I do think Neuvy is the truth.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, we know that an over-worked Hank has demonstrated fatigue come playoff time. And we know that Alex Semin hasn’t carried anything at all in the past two playoff series.
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I admitted as much with Semin, but at least with him there’s a chance he gets hot. He was exceptional in the two prior series.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That he was.
And there’s a chance that a better-rested Hank gets hot – in his last playoffs in which he played fewer than 4150 minutes during the regular season, he was .924/2.07 in 10 games.
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And yet he still only payed 10 games (and weren’t 4 against ATL?). He didn’t carry a one-line team even when he was hot and rested. His reputation is built on impressive regular season numbers and winning gold on a pretty loaded team. I like him a lot as a player, I just don’t like his salary on this roster. I’m in the “don’t spend 6+ million on a goalie” camp.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
MDZ a 5/6D? That kind of talk will get you banned at BSB. I think I’m also higher on Girardi than you are. He’s a 4/5 to me. Gilroy is the only true bottom pair guy in that mix.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have to wonder what the Caps did to tick off the NHL schedule makers. With tonight’s tilt that will mean three of their first four games have been the opposing team’s home opener. Not a great way to start a road trip.
From a league perspective, showcasing the Caps in multiple home openers makes sense.
"I don't care about winning the division or winning the President's Trophy. I just care about getting to the playoffs." --GMGM
Not really. The Caps are generally a strong draw as an opposing team, and you usually don’t need to bolster the attendance figures for a hope opener the way you would for most other games.
Speaking of attendance, did anybody see the ghost town that was American Airlines Center last night?
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
They’re still throwing themselves off of bridges for Monday’s football loss.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking forward to making that trip in January.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
If it’s anything like last night, take a blanket and feel free to stretch out.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
I’m used to it; went in March and it was a church, save for those rooting for the Caps. I’ve gotta upload the pics from behind the bench one of these days.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
home openers are hope openers in a way.
I have a twitter.
Not another Capitals blog!
"Victory is sweetest when you've known defeat"
I would maybe give more sympathy to this idea if we weren’t playing the Canes, who must have impregnated the schedule maker’s grandmother with how they had to start the beginning of the year.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
start the beginning of the year
Redundant much RB?
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
He would likely say no. Ornery SOB.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
The Canes are going to kick our ass tonight. Get ready for a long one. Sasha v. Cam Ward is our only hope.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah. Caps win. They’ve got The Truth in net and AO with a chip on his shoulder.
And Carolina has Joe Corvo.
Caps 5-2.
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I thought it was full of sarcasm.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wasn’t – you know I’m a Neuvy guy.
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Re: the Truth
Dork question time (as opposed to my other comments, which are…?):
How do you pronounce Neuvy? Do you say “noovie” which sounds more hockey-like? Or “noy-vee” which is in line with the pronunciation of his name? I’m torn.
Also, when he lets in a few softies, will the comedy geniuses here call him “Noy Veh” or “Oy Verth”? Or just punt and call him “Threeormore?”
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by bilspacecadet on Oct 27, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
The nickname that A. Gordon and Alzner used in direct address was “New.”
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
New-vee
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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by bilspacecadet on Oct 27, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Staal tribute FanPost to the loser of that bet?
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Seconded.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure how much Staal love I have left after the last one but I stand by my prediction. They play us hard every time and we haven’t given close to 60 minutes yet.
Where did this chip on the shoulder come from?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No chip, just a comic jab.
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
The team gets to see all their buddies from last year on this road trip: Corvo in Carolina, Theo in MN and BMo in Calgary. The Reunion Tour!
by Ray of Sunshine on Oct 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Game goes to shootout which lasts interminably. Bruce is forced to use Jeff Schultz who pulls a Marek Malik and the Caps win 4-3.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he’ll just score from mid-ice. Stranger things have happened…..
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by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Schultz doesn’t have Marek Malik moves, you silly person.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it confirmed that Green will play tonight? I know he had a full practice yesterday and he was talking about being ready, but I don’t recall hearing BB say he will definitely play.
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Corey just tweeted the following:
From Boudreau: MJ90 is out, Bradley/Green are in, Carlson is a should/maybe and Gordon is an I don’t know yet for the #Caps.
Who knows though. Maybe he’ll be a “powerplay specialist” again. Pffft
What’s the prevailing theory on Gordon? To state the obvious, there’s something we don’t know.
I find the comments from BB and Gordon interesting, so say the least. He’s not hurt. No mention of personal problems. No comments on his performance.
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Trade in the works?
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“B. Gordon traded for bag of pucks and carton of Virginia Slims: details to follow.”
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Would be a monumental mistake to trade Gordon, which is why I can see it happening.
For what its worth I don’t think we can say for sure he isn’t/wasn’t hurt. I can see the org. outright lying about it depending on what might be ailing him (he’s not hurt, just sore, and we don’t want to risk it etc.) and then using that to put him on IR for flexibility, etc.
But yeah, very very curious any way you slice it.
Would be a monumental mistake to trade Gordon, which is why I can see it happening.
When’s the last time the Caps made a “monumental mistake” in giving up a player in a trade?
Not monumental, and I agree with your implication completely, but I’d sure like to have Lepisto hanging around right about now.
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He’s either being disciplined (seems kinda doubtful given his demeanor, but what do we really know), injured (but why give a flat out denial, when all the other dinged guys are given the “day to day” tag), or being discussed in trade talks.
The trade scenario is the only one that doesn’t have an eyebrow-raiser attached to it; we “know” that Steckel was being discussed in a trade, so someone out there wanted a FO-winning 4th liner; Gordo is Steckelesque while being more attractive than Steckel, if healthy; so, yeah, I’m thinking the signs point to a Gordo-for-D trade being at least on someone’s table.
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Mine too. How much does Gordo really fetch in a trade?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is why I was never against the Steckel signing. At this point Gordon is about as dependable as Varly and it’s good to have a 4th line center that you can count on.
The issue with the Steckel signing, at least for me, was never about keeping him, it was about committing so much to him when he had no leverage at all. His decline has been rapid and severe, and it started before they extended him.
So in that respect Steckel isn’t a replacement for Gordon in most senses. Yeah, they’re both good at faceoffs, but that’s it.
I hear you on the leverage issue with Steckel. He’s also 28 so I’m not ready to sell him down the river yet as being in the decline phase, he may have simply had a mediocre season last year.
My theory, if it’s not an injury, is starting to be that there was a trade offer that fell through (McKenzie did report something about the Leafs having a few offers on the table involving bottom 6ers, that they turned down).
It’s the only thing I can see that would never come with any explanation. Well, that or minor discipline but I can’t see that, especially because he was kept out of practice.
Gordo is Steckelesque while being more attractive than Steckel, if healthy
But “if healthy” is such a big question mark for Gordon that I have trouble seeing him as a likely trade pickup for anyone.
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by CapitalCentre on Oct 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Everytime someone says “/rimshot” I swear to god they’re saying rimjob and I get very confused.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
IIRC, Brooks Laich enjoys playing in other teams’ home openers and seeing the disappointment in their faces when the Caps win.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 27, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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If he wants to play like Daniel Briere, I’ll happily take it.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 27, 2010 11:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Minus the dirtbag stuff.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And if you check further down in the ESPN article you’ll see some discussion of Ovie’s and Varly’s trip to ESPN HQ. Some of it’s stuff we’ve heard, but some of it is new (I think)
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Watching the FLA-TOR game last night on the telly, I was mighty pissed watching Colton Orr’s winning goal where he blatantly interfered with Scott Clemmensen (see the second video on the following PD link — http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Tuesday-s-Three-Stars-Canucks-survive-Orr-s-co?urn=nhl-280160).
I know you can’t change the past but compare that play to the OV goal waved off in Game 7.
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You know it’s blatant when the opposing coach (Crazy Ron) flat out admits the goal shouldn’t have counted.
The word that came to my mind was “gross.”
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by bilspacecadet on Oct 27, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Katie’s article noted the importance of Green to the PP, but his value is obviously so much more than that. In the 8 games the Caps have played, four have been with him on the ice and four without (I’m counting the last game as him not really being there). In the four games Green played, the first line had 11 points. In the four he didn’t, they have 3 points. Coincidence?
Small sample, but no, not a coincidence at all. When MG52 plays, he can lug the puck and let the forwards find space for themselves. When he doesn’t play, the Fs have to carry the biscuit, which obviously means one less forward to create havoc/confusion in the offensive zone.
Personally, I’d argue that Green is more important to the 5-on-5 offense than he is to the PP’s success, but that’s just me.
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I agree with what JP says here in Green being more important to the 5-on-5 than PP’s success.
I also like that he used MG52 and lug in the same sentence.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The top line has also played such bad D that they can’t even get the puck out of the zone. He’ll never get credit for it, but Green can erase defensive weakness with his skating.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Skating and puck sense. Otherwise we’d be praising Tyler Sloan’s game as a puck-moving D.
Actually, I’d kind of like to see Alzner carrying the puck more. He moves well and makes that smart first-pass; having him step up to play a more offensive game might help in Green’s absence.
BB is that you? ; )
I think the last think Alzner needs is to be asked to play an even more offensive game than he already is. It’s bad enough they’re consistently playing him on the wrong side, ask him to start focusing on more offense and you’re going to really damage the development of what should be a very strong defensive Dman.
Sloan can skate but he isn’t close to Green’s league in skating. Point taken on hockey sense, though I don’t think he always shows it.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He’ll never get credit for it, but Green can erase defensive weakness with his skating.
So unbelievably true.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
In a bizarre way, Green may be helping his case for the Norris more with his absence than his offensive numbers.
honestly, watching Mike Green skate is one of the true pleasures of watching a Caps game. There are a couple of faster guys on the team, but Green is so quick and effortless.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s the “effortless” that amazes me. Looks like he’s slowly gliding down the ice when you realize he’s already at the top of the circle in the offensive zone.
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The effortlessness that makes everyone think he’s slacking, and if he would just TRY…
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His skating seems to be back where it was two seasons ago. Last season he seemed to have lost a step, but he appears to have gained it back.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 27, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
In watching videos of the PP from previous years, I’m always shocked to be reminded at how disciplined and puck controlling it normally is. Green plays a huge part in that.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t have any numbers to substantiate this, but I would hazard a guess (just relying on my eyes) that the Caps have had to run more “entries” per power play with Green out of the lineup. By that I mean, the Caps gain the zone (more often by dumping the puck in), are unable to keep the puck in (don’t win battles for the dumped in puck, other teams clears it), have to go chase, then repeat. With Green, they seem better able to skate the puck in — either Green himself or dishing it as players close on him as he is skating in the neutral zone and he dishes it off — and thus control it better and for longer periods.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The dump and chase model does seem to be the PP theme these days (also just relying on my eyes/memory). And yea, probably one of the many reasons the man-advantage hasn’t been much of an advantage.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I really wish we could see Holtby tonight, but that wouldn’t make much sense. He’d probably get the Wild game, right? To give Neuvy a bit of a break in between. But I just really wanna see Holtby.. especially if Varly is always hurt. Who knows what could happen with him.
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I’d like him to get the start in Calgary, just for the chance for him to play in Canada. And on Hockey Night in Canada, even. But that’s just my sentimental side talking. The hockey side sez Neuvy gets that start, and yes Holtby gets Minny if Coach wants to rest Neuvy.
Be warned – the Wild have had a really nasty flu bug going thru their locker room.
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For the sake of argument, here’s Rotowire on the depth charts of the respective teams (admittedly a little wonky in places):
I guess I’ll be the Caps homer, over-valuing his players by saying that even with AO, Nick and MG52 off the board, these teams are comparable. There’s a whole lotta “meh” on that Rangers depth chart. I just don’t see all the deep depth that kills what the Caps have.
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The Rangers do not have a first line forward. In fact, both Dubinsky and Callahan might be third liners on a contender. They have one defenseman who I would — right now — even consider as a top pair defenseman (Staal, Del Zotto not yet being consistent enough to consider for that role). Generally, if you get past the plodding bruisers (Boogaard, Prust), it is a team that lacks size and grit. They go as far as Lundqvist takes them, no more.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s presently injured, which is likely why he’s not listed.
I like using the Hockey News’s depth charts, actually, because they at least show injured players.
But so are Brads and Varly. Whatevs. Anyone else significant missing?
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Looks like the DTD guys get listed, but the IR guys get dropped.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Drury.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Oof. OK, a couple of old centers (who would easily be the second-best at their position on the Caps’ depth chart).
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There were two episodes of Raising Hope last night. The second show had lots of Weagle t-shirt time.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah yes…I remember hearing that “Camden County” where My Name Is Earl was fictionally located was based (in part) off of the Hagerstown area, where he was from or grew up or something like that. In one episode where Earl went to college, it took place at Frostburg State.
I remember someone posting on Twitter earlier this year that a Caps shirt made an appearance on the show, was this the same episode re-run, or a new occurrence?
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 27, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
has anyone alerted Steinberg? He loves to post this sort of stuff.
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Yeah, instead of giving your prospects playing time and a chance to develop, play marginally better old guys!
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Right. Instead of playing the guy who will (presumably) improve over the course of a season leading up to the playoffs, play the guy who will go in exactly the opposite direction.
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Brendan Morrison after nine games:
Last year: 3-5-8, plus-3
This year: 3-6-9, plus-4
…yup, big difference there.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
How long until he disappears for the rest of the season?
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Based on last year? December 3rd. He scored only three goals the rest of the season after that date.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I knew it was bad, but not THAT bad…
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s getting significant PP time with the Flames. If that continues, he’ll produce more.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
about a minute more, on average, (3:11 to 2:08) than he had last year)
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus, we’re going down THIS road?
"I’m happy to have contributed to this league, to have done something important in my career, I’m proud, but you always will think you still could’ve done more, but tonight tells I’ve done things well."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No kidding. I think one of your “And that’s that”s would be appropriate here.
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I’ll readily admit GMGM could do a better job of drafting, but that one’s 7 years ago, and the pick seems to be panning out after some initial injury issues.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to complain too much about Fehr, imo. When you get an legit NHL top-6 guy out of a first rounder, you did OK with the pick. Would you rather have Getzlaf or Richards over Fehr now? Sure. But second guessing about that kind of difference is an awfully high bar.
Now, Mestery, Gustaffson, Finley, Pokulok…those guys are horrid picks.
(And I know Fehr doesn’t play a Top 6 role presently, but he could, and he would on a lot of teams).
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for every good gmgm pick, there is a terrible one
Any GM that could sustain a 50% rate (1 out of every 2 draft picks actually makes the NHL) over a career would end that career in the hall of fame.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 27, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
If you include the lower rounds, yessir, I’m with you. .500 would be a hell of a batting average.
In the first round, though, you’ve got to do better than that. I’d guess you’d want to see .800 on your first rounders (with the .200 to allow for injuries, which are unpredictable, and the inevitable guy you just miss on).
Here are the 1st rounders since ’02:
Eminger (push?), Semin (win), and Boyd Gordon (win)
Eric Fehr (win)
Alexander Ovechkin (win), Jeff Schultz (win), and Mike Green (win) helluva draft
Sasha Pokulok (bust) and Joe Finley (bust)
Nicklas Backstrom (win) and Semyon Varlamov (push?)
Karl Alzner (win)
Anton Gustafsson (bust) and John Carlson (win)
Marcus Johansson (win??)
Evgeny Kuznetsov (too early to tell)
Counting the “pushes” as a half-win each and discounting Kuznetsov, that’s 15 first rounders and 11 wins, for a .733 average. That gives him the benefit of the doubt for MarJo (who might flame out due to injuries) but also does not give him the benefit of the doubt for Varly, who has shown he has NHL talent but can’t stay healthy.
Anyway, it’s just a bit of back of the envelope calculating, but I think dinging GMGM for his draft history is a legitimate gripe.
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I think ~70% is league average or so (Copper and Blue ran the numbers a while ago, but I can never find that link).
by red army line on Oct 27, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
How many GMs have drafted a Hart winner, a multi-year Norris top 3, a #1 center, and a +/- league leader in that time period?
It’s not just whether you got an NHL player — it’s how good they are.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 27, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
we could have brought in Niedermayer if we wanted someone to save us with his oldness
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I hate re-runs. :-)
I saw the highlights from last night, and he sure looked good. It is only October, though.
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I’m quoting myself quoting myself quoting myself (from OT Hockey thread last night), but I think it still holds up – my observations from late November last year. (The whole thread is a hoot, BTW)
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Not to sound gloomy on this rainy Wednesday, but anyone else anticipating a stinker of a game tonight?
I feel like if the Caps can get come out strong and get off to an early start by scoring first, they might be able to take the home-opener crowd out of the game and get down to business…but given the recent offensive woes and injury issues, I’m feeling like this will more than likely be one of those games where the Caps are constantly playing catch-up, causing play to become “desperate and sloppy”. All of this while the home team, amped by an excited crowd desperate to see their team finally play at home almost a month into the season, will simply dominate at all levels of the game. One of those 6-3 kind of losses.
Hey, I hope not…and it’s not like I won’t be sitting at home watching the game and rooting them on, but I just get “that feeling” about this game. It’s weird too, but I generally have a very positive feeling about every game the caps play, at least since Thanksgiving of 2007.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Canes are going to bring it. I have doubts as to whether the Caps will bring it right back.
Here’s to hoping the home opener intensity/lack luster past few games lights a fire under the guys.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The Canes will come out hard. Home opener + PT winner pretty much means they’re going to be engaged.
If The Truth can make some saves and the Caps can get out of the first either tied or down a goal, then they have a chance.
The Caps are a much better team, if they focus up and work hard in the second and third.
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I’d really like to see them get on the board first and carry a lead into the first intermission. I think taking the crowd out of the game early will be key.
It can definitely happen too…I’ve learned to never underestimate Alex Ovechkin, even a slumping or possibly hurt Alex Ovechkin…and there are plenty of other guys on the team that can provide a spark as well.
Worst-case scenario? They go into the locker room after 20 down a goal or two, but with 20 shots already posted. Those games NEVER go well…
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…given Sloan and possibly Fahey in the lineup, the time the Caps spend pinned in their own end make a 20-shot period something of a long shot.
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Note to self: We probably shouldn’t have given that 2 year extension.
End of note.
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by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 27, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The last week or so I’ve been thinking to myself, “last year was just too damned easy.” No wonder the Caps lost early. Players had almost uninterrupted success, fans rocked the red in delirious joy for six months, the press was friendly (except for what Ovechkin dealt with, and even that wasn’t all that bad).
You need grief, angst, despair, uncertainty. You need to be annoyed, insulted, angered. You need misfortune, obstacles, disrespect. You need to take all that and give it right back with an attitude of, “well, #@$% you and the horse you rode in on!” Climb over all those obstacles, swat away those annoyances. Then win.
There…I feel much better about things now.
…but not “better,” if you get my meaning.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I’d like to think that but it doesn’t seem like the Blackhawks went through too much anger, grief and dispair. Neither did the Penguins leading up to their SCF run.
doesn’t seem like the Blackhawks went through too much anger, grief and dispair
Maybe not last year, but for decades it was called Bill Wirtz.
"Because the game is not just about fighting no more. " D.J. King
Obviously, but this current Blackhawks group has had a smooth ascent to the top. If you want to talk about despair reaching back through the decades, the Caps are pretty tough to beat in that aspect as well.
Um… the Pens had a mid-season coaching change during their run to the Cup
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by iwearstripes on Oct 27, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Going down 0-2 in a series isn’t a setback?
Release the Mackan!
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 27, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, but if that is the case then no team that wins the Cup has a setback once the playoffs start.
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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 27, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
There were plenty of naysayers. Campbell and Hossa were hurt for long stretches of time. Every time there was a SOG there was a relatively high chance it’d end up in their own net. They were the best Corsi team by miles and still finished way behind Washington in the regular season rankings, 3rd in the NHL or so when they probably deserved first.
Not a ton, but definitely some.
by red army line on Oct 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. I’m almost happy for the early season struggles. Almost.
This team needs to face adversity. Be humbled (beyond the playoff losses). Have to fight through difficult periods.
Timing is so much in playoff hockey. Here’s to hoping this is the season’s bad stretch.
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Amped and excited crowd? You do know where the game is being played, right?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 27, 2010 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
anyone else anticipating a stinker of a game tonight?
I think they’ll be nervous and amped up in the first inning, but then both teams will settle down and show why they made it to the World Series.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 27, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
“So I said, ‘Don’t push it.’ It’s at a time in the season when we have a lot of bodies, so if you’re injured, we want to make it where it’s not an injury for six months."
Unless you’re Mike Green or John Carlson? Still scratching my head over PP-only-Mike-Green.
(Boudreau, from the Vogs piece in the second bullet.)
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I’d be interested in where these “lots of bodies” are supposedly hiding.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
So would Mark French. Hershey’s feeling the pinch of the Caps callups (plus Kyle Greentree lost his grandfather and is in BC right now)
These were their practice lines yesterday:
Kugryshev-Aucoin-Gordon
Bouchard-Beagle-Willsie
Kane-Joudrey-Pinizzotto
Bruess
D-pairs:
Finley-Miskovic
Wellar-Kroll
G. McNeill-Collins
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Jesus Christ. Finley, Kroll, AND G in the lineup. Get well soon, P. Mac.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
He must be kicking himself over the timing of his injury. He would have gotten a ton of NHL TOI by now if he were healthy.
by wickedwitch on Oct 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s a damn shame. He needs to earn his NHL-only contract for next year.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Hershey doesn’t play until Friday; those were the practice lines/combos from Tuesday.
Expected to be in the line-up, but not all playing as D; Yeo was called up and they could call up someone else. GMcNeill is expected to play on the wing as he has done the majority of his time with Hershey. Of course, he’s the logical, relatively speaking, to play D in a pinch given he was primarily a D earlier in his career and played D with SC not too long ago.
Does anyone have any idea when P. Mac will return to the line up?
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I believe I heard late November as the target date, and that he’s getting antsy.
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
There was a recent update by Tim Leone, which indicated he is likely to start skating soon, but the earliest he’d return to play would be late November or early December.
Here’s an update on Patrick McNeill via French to Leone from more than a week ago…
“French said Patrick McNeill, recovering from offseason shoulder surgery, is scheduled to start skating on his own at the end of next week. ‘I think end of November or early December is his timetable [to return to the lineup],’ French said.”
ok, maybe I’m missing something here, but other than risking a fall or if it was collar-bone related, why wouldn’t he be skating already?
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That, too. That whole quote just makes me wonder.
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Me too. Does BB really believe this, or is he saying this just for the media?
Not that I disagree that players shouldn’t be rushed back from injuries, but it’s not for that reason.
by wickedwitch on Oct 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
there is a funeral home just a couple of blocks from Kettler.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s actually what I was thinking when I read that quote.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
And as soon as they figure out how to reanimate corpses, Caps can reassign Sloan to Hershey.
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I thought that already accounted for Sloan
…rimshot!
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
From the “As the IR Turns” report
cmasisak22 From Boudreau: MJ90 is out, Bradley/Green are in, Carlson is a should/maybe and Gordon is an I don’t know yet for the #Caps.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Wrote this above – but may be easier to start thread down here:
What’s the prevailing theory on Gordon? To state the obvious, there’s something we don’t know.
I find the comments from BB and Gordon interesting, so say the least. He’s not hurt. No mention of personal problems. No comments on his performance.
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The Gordon stuff is vexing, but I can live with it for now. I’m much more concerned about the Carlson is a should/maybe part. That means he’s still going to be playing hurt.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Right, which means he’s really a shouldn’t/maybe.
Pushing 52 and 74 – two of the team’s top half-dozen or so assets – to play hurt in October is lunacy.
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Pushing 52 and 74…to play hurt in October is lunacy.
Um, yes.
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 27, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more.
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Well, playing with a bad shoulder which could be made worse is lunacy. Playing with a leg that got hurt from blocking a puck (I think that’s what has kept AHH74 out of the lineup) is not lunacy, IMO. So long as the injury is not going to lead to more long term damage I dont have a problem with him playing. Guys need to play hurt in this league, particularly when there are other guys like Poti out for sure.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It sounds like Carlson is being pushed a little but I think Green is just plain ready. They were super cautious with him Saturday night, but the extra three days has probably allowed him to turn the corner. If you wait for all the soreness to disappear, he could be sitting until January.
They were super cautious with him Saturday night
No they weren’t – they played him. When he couldn’t even shoot the puck. That’s not super-cautious.
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by J.P. on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It almost seemed like Bruce’s act of starting 5 full-time D + an injured Mike Green was a cry for help/message to GMGM. It struck me as very odd that he’d knowingly go into a game with that type of setup on the blueline.
I dunno. I’d really hope that the communication between GMGM and BB isn’t so bad that BB can’t go to GMGM and say something along the lines of, “Gee, George, I can only dress 4 NHL ready D-men these days. Would you mind getting me a side of Bieska (enter any other D we’d conceivably trade for) to go with that Garden salad?”
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Oct 27, 2010 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the problem is that no one else wants Flash and we don’t really want to give up Fehr. Or perhaps it’s the other way around. None of our tradeable D are going to bring back a markedly more useful return.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is it’s still too early in the season and the cost to acquire D is too high. Every team thinks they’re a playoff team in October. Once teams start falling out of contention, GMGM will start picking up the phone. We just need to weather the storm until the holidays or so (when was the trade with Columbus — between Christmas and New Year’s, no?).
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 27, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem is fielding a team without pushing them. I mean, I understand why they (BB, GMGM) want them (52/74) to play through pain rather than have to bring up Fahey, et al.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Not having any inside information, I wonder about an old saying if football. There is “hurt” and there is “injured.” The former a player can play through, the latter is risky. The reason I noted I don’t have any inside info is that Carlson might be “hurt,” but I suspect Green is “injured” (and has not recovered from his “injury”). If the Caps were to hold Green and Carlson out, with Poti also sidelined, that defense would be an abomination for which Neuvirth could sue for non-support…
Schultz
Erskine
Sloan
Alzner
Fahey
and…well, who exactly?
If that was to be the case for any length of time, or if Green and/or Carlson were to sustain a more permanent injury from being inserted into the lineup more quickly, it places the season in jeopardy. That would almost be be criminal neglect (or the sports version of it) on the part of management, with no depth to speak of in the organization.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 27, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d normally disagree but since the Capitals are in the playoffs already, pushing people to play isn’t a good idea.
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by sydtron on Oct 27, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I said above, “he’s not hurt” might be an overstatement. I can see them basically lying about his health if it’s somewhat precautionary.
But then that’s also just wishful thinking I guess.
But why then wouldn’t they say some of the “upper body” or “lower body” crap?
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Therein lies the rub. It may not be something they want to classify as an injury, for some reason, but I can’t think of any good one.
Unfortunately, the only things that come to mind are family-related or a significant illness of some kind. That’s what I fear.
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FY — Canes’ lines for tonight:
Jokinen/Staal/LaRose
Skinner/Ruutu/Cole
Samsonov/Sutter/Kostpoulos
Bowman/Dalpe/Dwyer
Pikanen/Corvo
Gleason/McBain
Ward
Harrison/Babchuk
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They’re running a 3-2-1-2 formation?
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Albert Haynesworth will not be pleased.
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by bigeugene on Oct 27, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Erm. Yes… it’s a special formation that runs when hypoglycemia threatens.
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Translated as you’re hungry and were typing very fast?
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Trivia via P/D
Sergei Gonchar will play in his 1,000th NHL game, becoming only the fifth Russian to reach that milestone. Name’em without looking.
I’m going to play without looking. If you’ve looked, please don’t blow it. I’ll go with:
Fedorov
Bure
The Vladimir guy in Detroit that broke his neck in a car wreck
No idea…a goalie? Do guys before the USSR broke up count? Hasek?
List your guesses and I’ll keep tabs.
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Larionov and/or Fetisov?
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the latter would be more likely than the former.
Does Kasparaitis count? He’s Soviet, technically, but not Russian.
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Kaspar might have been Lithuanian, but I don’t think it would count regardless.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 27, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be Konstantinov.
What about Mogliny?
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Feds Bure Konstantinov Mogilny Larionov
Hasek is Czech
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure about Konstantinov. 1000 games is, minimum, over 12 seasons, assuming you play every game. Konstantinov wasn’t here that long before the accident, iirc.
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I cheated and looked at this list.
It doesn’t list games played but adds a few more names for consideration based on years in league:
Yashin
Zubov
Nemchinov
Kovalev
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Zubov and Kovalev are the other two.
Mogilny was close – 990 games.
Nice one.
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As I wrote, I cheated. Would have never remembered those two.
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I am surprised I forgot Zubov.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
also sorta close: Viktor Kozlov! 910 games. Never would have guessed.
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I got it?
Wow. I didn’t even cheat or look at the thread.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
You sure did. Assuming Togliatti (Kovalev’s birthplace) is in Russia, that is.
If you count the USSR, you have to add Bondra and Zhitnik (Ukraine) but I don’t think they count.
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Togliatti is definitely Russia.
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Bondra doesn’t count, strictly speaking, because he’s considered Slovak for these sorts of things.
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Oh good one and he’s still chugging.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I was a little sad to see him go to the KHL. The last of the Red Wing’s Russians hanging up his NHL skates and all….
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Right you are. My mistake
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
::Thumbs Up::
I’m really happy to hear Nylander will be able to continue to play if he wants too. I hope he makes it onto a team in the NHL as soon as he can get signed for a more reasonable amount of money.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Good for Quintin. My brother lives on Van Island and goes to Salmon Kings games. He can watch him play
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Woo!
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Hopefully when Q is there , he can be part of something as cool as this with the Salmion Kings….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15q6w1HMF8U
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Knew what it was before I clicked. Love that play.
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 27, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
dang
i should’ve read a little higher. i just gave you guys the link for the official press release.
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by QuintinLainged on Oct 27, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Green says he’s going to at least start out the game playing in all situations for the #Caps. Says it feels a lot better.
Well, this should end well.
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HIT GREEN
"Semin had two goals this year, Perreault comes in and he gets three."
Jesus, no kidding. How he didn’t get suspended for his hit on Doughty is a mystery to me.
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Another NHL Trivia Question
Nicklas Lidstrom (1989, DET) and Martin Brodeur (1990, NJD) are the two current longest-tenured NHL players playing for a single team. Can you name what two players are tied for 3rd for having the current longest career playing for one team only?
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Patrik Elias…and….Vincent Lecavalier? IDK.
by Chris Burton on Oct 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Elias was one of my first thoughts. Vinnie doesn’t seem old enough.
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Yeah, can’t be Vinny because he and David Legwand were drafted in the same year.
by Chris Burton on Oct 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good guess but nope.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year, I would have said Modano.
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Modano would have trumped them all last year.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Great question. Tough, because you forget early teams.
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Should count.
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Doan came tied for 4th with Elias.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And Draper doesn’t count, right? Already considered retired?
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Draper isn’t counted
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Draper also didn’t play his whole career with the Wings.
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Where did he start?
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Winnipeg! traded to the Wings for $1, or so the story goes.
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It’s the other Wing, Maltby.
Not sure who the other one is, Lehtinen and Pandolfo are others who were high on the list until this season started.
he also played in Edmonton before going to Detroit.
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I think they equal each other in this case.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO, tenure is about when the player was either drafted by the team and/or was on the NHL roster for the team.
In this case, “tenure” appears to be defined as "games played.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Otherwise, Iggy wouldn’t count, as he was a Star before a Flame.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he was drafted by the Flames, but never played for them. Most places where I have read stuff about tenure has been about since they were on the NHL roster, not about games played. Anyway, the question originally posted didn’t mention games played and that is what I was responding to when I mentioned Lehtinen (if this was about last season not this season.) I guess the ‘longest career’ part could be taken as games played, but I read the question as tenure as in time with the organization, my mistake I guess.
“Nicklas Lidstrom (1989, DET) and Martin Brodeur (1990, NJD) are the two current longest-tenured NHL players playing for a single team. Can you name what two players are tied for 3rd for having the current longest career playing for one team only?”
So they can’t be a player now playing for a different team? Like Mike Modano?
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Nope has to be one team only./
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Has to be Yzerman then.
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Yes – but already retired.
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Current players
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Alfie is one (OTT 1994)
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
My mistake it is Alfie and Doan. I apologize. eek
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry about that.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not that Wikipedia is always accurate, but it’s showing Doan, then Iggy, then Alfie.
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Did Iggy never play a game for Dallas, then? I was always under the impression that he had something stupid like 2 or 3 games in his actual debut season.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
just drafted and traded for Nieuwendyk
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh good, because you were making me think I was crazy!
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Followed by Elias, Iginla and Hejduk
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Hejduk go to Calgary or Florida or something like that for a spell?
I always confuse him and Tanguay.
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That was Tanguay, Who I always think is older than 31.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 27, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad form. I’m so disillusioned now. I’m calling Mayor Ford to complain.
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He left the Wings for the Blues for a few years.
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He’s played for like 4 different teams.
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Colby Armstrong could be out six to eight weeks. I guess I need to put him on waivers off my fantasy team.
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ooooh, that’s too bad! What did he do, two hand chop his own ankles?
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I can feel your dripping, snarky, disappointment across the country.
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Quite the visual there. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of dripping snark before.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dripping sarcasm? Dripping snark.
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by fat_daddyo on Oct 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Never like to applaud injuries, but couldn’t happen to a better guy.
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by gfcaps fan on Oct 27, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lost in all the hubub today about mythical trades, trivia, the Gordo mystery, and Green returning is news that I think may help the Caps more than anything else.The bench is going to get a lot noisier tonight…Brads is Back!
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Brads and Hendricks on the same bench…..oh, pity the rest of the team!
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This season definitely #needsmoreBradley
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Given his luck someone on that team needs to make sure he stays in his hotel room when play the Wranglers on the road.
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CB’s got it up here http://www.japersrink.com/2010/10/27/1776429/wednesday-caps-clips-caps-canes-game-day#50425638
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yes, i saw that just after i posted my comment.
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Some fresh thread (and an interesting topic for discussion, to boot).
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The icing on the cake is that he’s 4th in SF/60; even the benefit of being on the shoot-em-up Caps can’t save him.
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
(4th on that list; I didn’t run the SF/60 stats for the whole league)
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by Alz Well That Ends Well on Oct 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s pretty interesting, especially considering that the other guys in the top 10 are on teams (Minnesota, Atlanta, Dallas) that regularly are badly outshot by their competition.
Know what else I found interesting? Scott Hannan is third in the NHL in terms of positive shot differential, on a team that is (on average) getting outshot every night, whereas most of the other guys in the top 10 are on teams that are regularly outshooting their opposition.
Definitely interesting. I was surprised to see TBL and STL so heavily represented in the plus-list. Guess that new system is working in TBL, and if STL can keep that up they are going to make some noise this year.
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TBL leads the league in shots for/game so far this year, and is tied for seventh in terms of fewest shots against/game. On average, they’re outshooting their opponents by 8 shots a game.
St. Louis, likewise, is second in shots for/game and first in terms of fewest shots against/game. They’re also outshooting their opponents by an average of 9 shots a game.
The difference? St. Louis is 19th in terms of goals/game with the second fewest goals against/game, while Tampa Bay is first in terms of goals/game and 26th in goals against/game. St. Louis is cursed by a low shooting percentage; Tampa is cursed by crappy goaltending.
Everyone knew TBL would struggle in net. I also think STL isn’t a huge surprise, the question from day 1 was whether the kids would take that next step. So far the returns aren’t great.
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If STL keeps that shot ratio going, they’re going to pick up their standings percentage. The real question for me is whether or not they can do it against WC-contender caliber teams. I thought they would be much better this season, but I was definitely not expecting 1st in shots against and 2nd in shots for, that’s nuts. They may not have the finishers, but they’re going to win a ton of games just on the percentages if they can keep that up.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Steinberg has a very awesome post on Chimera’s wicked speed.
In 1998, a Canadian team official told the Montreal Gazette that Chimera was the fastest skater in junior hockey. In 1999, he finished as the second-fastest skater in the WHL skills competition. In 2001, the Edmonton Journal dubbed him the fastest Oiler, and in 2003, he won the team’s skills competition in impressive fashion, turning a lap in 13.332 seconds. That became the unofficial fastest lap in NHL history, breaking Mike Gartner’s record from the 1986 All-Star game, and players in the Caps dressing room still refer to that moment.
and because it’s Steinberg, lots of quotes from Caps players, too.
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by RedBirdie on Oct 27, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I never really took power skating or anything.
That’s insanity. I am so jealous.
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So you’re saying Brookie’s wasting his summer vacation?
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Another thing I noticed: look at his skate blades.
Is it just me, or do they seem to be a little flatter than the others on the ice?
It’s hard to tell from that angle but it’s a possibility. I don’t know that it makes a big difference or else everyone would do that. Rocking is a personal preference and he probably just prefers a flatter blade if that is the case.
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I’d love to see a ‘list’ (with the provision you may not be able to tell for sure) of the NHL’s fastest skaters.
by Chris Burton on Oct 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Chimera and Helm topped Knuble’s list. I don’t remember who was third.
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Hm; that is odd. I can think of several players, including some defensemen, who I’d’ve guessed before Carter.
by Chris Burton on Oct 27, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you’re right, it was Carter. JP posted the list.
does anyone have this particular issue? Was there anything else hockey-related/interesting in there?
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They actually referenced QualComp in one of the blurbs, I was stunned.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 27, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
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