Friday Caps Clips: Bounced in Beantown
Your savory breakfast links:
- Be sure to check out this week's edition of Japers' Rink Radio with special guest Joe Beninati tomorrow morning to see how much time Pepper spends chatting up Joe B. about French-cuffs and spread collars.
- Recaps and other assorted musings on last night's loss from us, Vogs, AP, Carrera (blog, gamer), Beninati, Caps365 video (Boudreau), Frankovic, Peerless, Puckhead, Caps News Network, RMNB, SB Nation DC, CSN New England's Haggerty (here, here, here and here), Bruins Blog and SCoC.
- Eight reasons why you saw Brian Fahey in a Caps sweater last week. [Masisak]
- No goalie controversy... yet. [NHL.com (Masisak), with should-be-accompanying pics at Blonde Girl's Guide]
- Michal Neuvirth has been good so far. Really good. [Puck Prospectus]
- A closer look at the Caps' drafting success (and occasional lack thereof). [Box Seats]
- On the faceoff issue. [THW]
- A couple of radio hits worth checking out:
- Matt Bradley on NHL Live (audio).
- Mike Green in his now-regular gig on The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes (audio).
- Cuteness overload at Verizon Center (and it has nothing to do with an over-passing power play). [Puck Daddy]
- Read all about some of the good the Caps have done in the community of late. [Box Seats]
- Add another Caps prospect to the list of those representing their country Subway Series: Cody Eakin. [The Southwest Booster]
- A few words from everyone's favorite fury unleasher. [THN]
- The Bears are working the kinks out of their penalty kill. [LDN]
- Happy Rebuild Day! On this date back in 2003, the rebuild officially began as the Caps traded Steve Konowalchuk and a pick to Colorado for Bates Battaglia and Jonas Johansson.
- Finally, happy 30th birthday to Matt Pettinger and happy 42nd to Terry Yake. Oh, and thanks to everyone who came out to the viewing party last night - it was a blast, and there will be more to come, no doubt.
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Not that it should be a surprise, but that Corey article regarding D depth is a quality read.
Because he's class, and you're not.
This defense is horrible without #52. Horrible. I wonder if the message is still being heard by the players. The team has looked good in one game.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
I kind of hope, for Green’s sake, that the press will see how this team has faltered without him and consider that in Norris voting. He’s pretty effective at getting the puck out of the zone.
Puck control is his best weapon out there, especially when he’s on the ice with other offensively talented players. I know most Caps fans don’t like him, but Larry Murphy was the same way — he could take a puck out of the zone without panicking (too much) and deliver it to scoring wingers or shoot it on net.
Carlson may become that guy in a few years, but he’s just not ready to carry a defense on his back yet, and that’s what he’s been having to do.
I think Carlson can definitely be that guy, and considering where he’s at in his career, how young he is, and what role he’s been asked to fill this last week I think he hasn’t been too bad. But no, he’s definitely not ready.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
He doesn’t have to be right now. These lumps will be good in the long run.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Agreed.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
As I’ve said before, the rookie mistakes we are talking about at this point are the least of my worries. I can live with that. It’s some of the other stuff that won’t so easily work itself out.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
You just keep pulling the words right from my mouth. It might have gotten hidden in my post but I’ve been fairly happy/impressed with how he’s been playing. Alzner too, although a little less so.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually very impressed with Alzner. Maybe more so than Carlson. I expected a little more poise from Carlson with the puck.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
I guess that comes from different expectations, although now thinking about it I’m not sure why my expectations were so low for JC.
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It definitely is subjective and expectation based. I thought Alzner wold have more trouble adapting his game to facing regular NHL competition, and he didn’t end last season as high as Carlson did. Carlson was supposed to be good with the puck and I thought he has been nervous with it.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
I’m far less worried about Alzner or Carlson, than not having Green and suiting up Sloan/Erskine/Fahey…
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
I agree. Carlson has hardly any NHL experience, so its not unusual he’s taking a bit of time to find his game. Alzner has been at this a little longer….I feel as though Carlson will learn in pretty quick.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of Carlson’s nerves with the puck have to do with who he’s frequently been paired with. When you essentially have your D-to-D option taken away because your partner is an oaf, you put much more pressure on yourself to do something special with the puck, and that leads to turnovers.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
That’s a fair point, I’m just saying I expected more.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
This is about what I expected, actually. I tried to point out all summer that expectations for JC were ludicrously high and that we needed to expect a lot of rookie moments to start out the season. It’s one thing to come up to the NHL after nearly a year playing in the NHL, it’s another thing to start the season cold in the NHL. It doesn’t help that he’s currently playing on a team that looks like it’s going through the motions.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I expected his lumps to come away from the puck, and his skill to show with the puck.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m guessing that if you compare Carlson where he’s at today to where Green was at the same age, he’s much further along. Sure, a lot of that probably has to do with the difference in the team and coach from five years ago, but that’s still pretty impressive.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Yes, for sure. Green wasn’t an NHL regular at that age.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Of course, the Caps teams Green’s first two years in the league were really, really bad. Carlson’s benefited from being on one of the best teams in the league right now.
Doesn’t that cut both ways? Green didn’t have to beat out anyone good to make the NHL. Carlson has had to beat out more quality players (though not this year, necessarily) and was expected to hold his own on a competitor. Green was allowed to ease in on a team with no expectations and very little D with any puck skills. If anything, I’d say that’s a point in favor of Carlson.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know the reasoning behind why Green wasn’t called up as early. I mean, he played an extra year in the minors, and then played 12 NHL games his first professional season — not that much different than Carlson.
I think their paths are pretty even.
And, really, it’s not like there’s anyone standing in the way of Carlson making the team this year.
Right… Green was supposedly stuck behind our awesome puck-moving FA acquisition Thomas “Fucking” Poti…
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
Yeah, Poti suck, got it. But he didn’t join the Caps until 07-08, Green’s first full NHL season. Without Poti, Green spent time in the AHL in 05-06 (almost the full year) and 06-07 (just a brief stint). Poti wasn’t the guy keeping Green down.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
I thought it was simply Hanlon thinking that Green couldn’t play his trapping system.
"Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly, 'No chance you metal ba****d.'"
Looks to me like Carlson is a half-year to a year ahead of Green. He played in the AHL at 18 and 19, which Green didn’t. Green spent a little more time in the AHL a little later, but it’s not that different.
Green may have been held back because of physical maturity, defensive play, or fear of Emingering another guy. I don’t know. But again, this year is mostly irrelevant as Carlson cemented himself in the NHL last season when the D was deeper. I also think just watching the two at 20 years old it’s pretty clear that Carlson is the more mature and developed player.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
If you look at how they got to where they were at age 20, Carlson gotten more opportunity to shine. Green was the best player on a poor team (they went 7-52) the year he was drafted. It’s not a surprise to me that Carlson’s ahead, if only because he’s had better luck.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Luck? Carlson was behind Green as of draft day. Regardless of team record, WHL > USHL.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Green wasn’t very good during his first callup apart from some flashy plays. He needed more time in the A.
I think they handled Green’s development pretty well. Give him a little time in the NHL in 05-06, recognize he’s not ready, and send him back to the A for the bulk of the season. Bring him back up for a bit in Feb and March, and then send him back for April and the playoffs. Then, in 06-07, let him play most of the season in the NHL, but send him back to Hershey for the playoffs.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hanlon made a few youngsters look really incompetent… Backstrom was a 4th liner wasn’t he?
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
BB is gonna follow Glen out the door if he doesn’t start motivating this team. Perhaps it’s GMGM that needs to motivate the players.
Maybe. But is showing the BB the door and replacing him with Mike Keenan (random selection) bring the Caps closer to solving their problems?
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
FAIL. I cannot for the life of me type a fucking sentence that makes sense this morning …
Maybe. But is showing BB the door and replacing him with Mike Keenan (random selection) going to bring the Caps closer to solving their problems?
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. A disciplinarian would do this team some good. Especially if he controls shift length.
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I don’t know if it’s a disciplinarian that’s needed. Just maybe a change of pace. Not Keenan, for sure.
Depends on my move, but depending on my move I could live with Iron Mike. I’d prefer someone with a little more tact. I could live with a guy like Crawford, though.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Well Keenan would definitely be controlling the goalie’s shift length, if anything.
I don’t shudder as much as some may re: Iron Mike. But no doubt, the guy will wear out his welcome eventually.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It happens pretty fast, actually, but if GMGM understands that it’s just for a year or two and just to fix the bad habits that have crept in, then I’m down for it.
Ideally, I’d see the Caps poach another DET assistant, like SJS did with McClellan.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
How about that Habs assistant everyone was drooling over in the playoffs? can’t remember his name but all the announcers were saying he was the talk of the League.
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Kirk Muller?
I actually liked Guy Carbonneau when he was a coach there,
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Brenden Morrow really liked when he was a player in Dallas.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Understandable since Carbonneau is his father-in-law.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s how he met her. Must have been some fun locker room talk.
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He’s also one of the best trapping coaches in the game?
Ehh…he’s a good coach, but we’ve waited so long for a good, exciting team!
by red army line on Oct 22, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Hitchcock is one of the worst choices. Pure defensive coach – the personnel here are totally wrong for him.
Never underrate the power of the hissy-cow.
Crawford, I could go with. Not sure about Keenan.
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the game has passed Keenan by.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t get on board with this enough. The top line had a chance to change on that second goal and instead ended up pinned in their zone for more than a minute. Surprise, goal.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta tell ya, last night was the first time I found myself cussing out loud at Ovechkin, Ovechkin’s TOI, and BB. And it wasn’t frustration – I was downright fuming about this Ovechkin-centric team.
I know GMGM has built this team around this rare talent, Alex Ovechkin, but that doesn’t mean the team has to play around him like planets orbiting the sun!
How bad would it have to get before BB got the axe? Pretty bad, I think, given Ted and GM’s commitment to continuity. If they’re sitting 9th or lower come Feb 1, then maybe.
Full disclosure: I have advocated for his firing in the past.
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I think if the team is still playing this way in December and the record is close to .500, they’ve got to think about dropping the hammer.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
The more I thought about it, the less I liked the idea of Boudreau continuing to coach this squad. He was a welcome relief when the offensive skill of the team was being stiffled by Hanlon, but to Hanlon’s credit, he did teach them defense and puck control. Those two factors, defense and puck control, have regressed under Boudreau. While the offense has been sky-high, last year was an unsustainable shooting rate for the bottom of the roster and it’s come back to earth so far this season.
The marginal benefit of adding more offense to this team isn’t large, but gains in defensive coverage and possession could be.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his leash is as long as this year’s playoffs’ conclusion, and no less. I can see us wallowing around the 9 spot in February if there are significant injuries, for which Bruce won’t be held responsible, but I just don’t see George making a change in the regs.
"I don't care about winning the division or winning the President's Trophy. I just care about getting to the playoffs." --GMGM
by bigonetimer on Oct 22, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m having a hard time faulting Bruce entirely at this point. I’d bet if you asked the players right now, to a man, they’d say it’s on them.
Bruce needs to regulate the minutes better and address the PP woes. He needs to light a fire under his team to get out of the gate better, because teams are going to slow the game down when they get a lead, style points be damned.
But to say it’s his fault that Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble are getting manhandled in the offensive zone, and bloody counter-punched in the mouth on D, well…I’m not ready to go there. Yet.
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by bigonetimer on Oct 22, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
BB entirely at fault? No. And they players will say it’s on them – they always do – but if something isn’t done to motivate them then they’ll keep saying that until we’re into the All-Star break.
Really? I don’t even remember that….totally crazy. Maybe I’ve completely shut the Hanlon Dark Days out of my mind.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Its the truth. Backstrom was used as a grinding line winger.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
To acclimate.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That worked out well…
The guy is Peter Schumpmaker. Lord knows what a schump is, but you can bet your bippy his ancestors made them. What he's doing is far worse than crafting fine schumps.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Oct 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow….good thing we’ve come a long way since that point. I shudder to think of where Baxter would be if he’d been forced to play there permanently.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what else is a good weapon that Green has?
When he dresses, we’re not dressing John Erskine and Tyler Sloan.
When it’s time for JE4 to take his leave of the team, I hope GMGM gets a D-man with some grit because JE4 is the only defenseman on this team that has any. He may be slow, but Poti isn’t exactly a streak of lightning, either.
When the Bruins were pounding the Caps along the boards behind the net and in the corners it made me wish the Caps were doing the same thing in their end.
Yes it is, but Corey is way too charitable with Shamo. Calling him above average, probably even average, is a bit of a stretch. He’s also way too easy on GMGM for the multiple draft failures. It would have been even worse if Eminger hadn’t tricked PHI into thinking he was worthy of a First. Who knew there was a worse two year contract in the organization than either of Sloskine’s. An all too familiar situation. I wonder what happens with Miskovic now, is he the next Collins? Or might he be a player?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 8:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Re: ShaMo, I was reading that part less about his qualities and more about how going to arb helped fast-track him to leaving and leaving that hole open, but I think I know what you mean.
I’d hope Miskovic becomes something serviceable up here, though I haven’t seen nearly enough to know.
Because he's class, and you're not.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions
The arbitration award was his point, but he uses “reliable” “steady” “a nice defensive-minded compliment [for Green]” and seems to think he’s at least average. I disagree with all of those and can’t wait for KHtaD to make his presence known on this. He also makes no mention of Juice playing for NYI for less than Erskine makes here.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 8:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ShaMo was awful, in summary and without the links.
Using the BtN numbers, Sloan/Erskine were arguably more shielded from tough opponents, but they both started in their own end more often than they started in the offensive end. ShaMo had great teammate support by all metrics and played a good chunk of the year with Mike Green (until Schultz took over).
ShaMo had the highest GAON/60 rate on the team by half-a-goal-per-game. But that’s often noise; ShaMo had by far the lowest even-strength SV% on the team, so we’d expect him to have a bad GAON/60. But it is troubling, given that he had tremendous teammates, weak opponents and favorable zone start assignments.
Looking at Corsi, he did better than Sloan (who was slaughtered) and better than Erskine (who was better than Sloan, but still very bad) … until you look at his teammates. Poti, Green, and Schultz were all better to significantly better than Morrisonn, while playing more minutes against harder competition.
The story gets even worse in Green’s 31 goal campaign, when ShaMo was his regular partner throughout the year. Green’s CorsiRel? 11.6 (Lidstrom territory, that’s unheard of for a defender playing as many minutes as Green does). ShaMo’s CorsiRel, with most of the same teammates and even easier competiton? -0.1. Mike Green did what he did that year while dragging the NHL hockey player formerly known as Shaone Morrisonn around the ice behind him. If GMGM could have hit on just one more defender instead of Joe Finley, Green’s numbers would have been even more ridiculous and the Capitals probably advance further in the playoffs.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Sex, drugs, rec’n’roll.
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by The Ghost of Bebop on Oct 22, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you are going to bash GMGM for the 05 draft (and rightly so) then be fair (Fehr?) and don’t dismiss his trade of Eminger as a “trick”. GMGM was able to pull off that trade and draft JC with the pick. He deserves credit for that just as he deserves blame for the 05 draft class (and Baby Gus too). I think a fair argument could be made that missing on those two picks has hurt us more than hitting on the Eminger trade/JC pick has helped us.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t dismiss the trade, I just said it was a bit of luck and salvaged what would have been an otherwise god awful draft. And I meant that Eminger pulled the trick by actually looking good for a playoff series, though you could say GMGM pulled the trick as well. I’m starting to lean toward the point where GMGM’s draft success has been more luck than skill.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 8:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Too early to say the 08 draft was god awful. Holtby and Kugryshev were in that class as well. 05 was god awful.
There is a lot of luck in any draft class. Such is the risks of trying to project how 18 year olds will develop in two or three years. When you draft guys like Schultz, Green, Varly, Neuvy, JC, and MarJo after the 20th pick, it’s more than just luck. Just as it’s more than just bad luck when guys like Pokulok, Finley and Baby Gus don’t pan out.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Without JC that draft is god awful. Burned a second to move up to take Bustafsson, reached for Messtery(and neither plays hockey anymore). Had lots of quality options and failed. I’m not high on Kugryshev at all so that draft is riding on Holtby if not for JC. Yuck.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
This is why I like having you here early.
But yeah, GMGM can’t stockpile first round picks anymore, and his inability to draft well is a little more exposed now, made all the more so by the recent picks.
Because he's class, and you're not.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
This is why I like having you here early.
I agree
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Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t wanna start a fight here, but if we’re trying to weed out the “Crysbys” and “Philthys”, “Bustaffson” and “Messtery” should be equally unacceptable.
by Wheeler on Oct 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just. Plain. Rude.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 22, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Could we please say something positive without adding a snipe about someone else?
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww…I like “Philthies.” Like that kid in my avatar.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t know Bustaffson and Messtery were included the tiresome/overused/lazy category. That was creative and pretty funny.
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
completed sentence FAIL.
tiresome/overused/lazy category that “Crysbys” and “Philthys” fall in.
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Anton’s just 20-years old. He didn’t asked to be drafted two rounds too high (although I’m sure he was happy about it) and he didn’t ask to be the son of a hockey legend in DC and Sweden (although I’m sure he likes that too). I don’t know about others but when I was 20 I changed my mind about 10 times a day. Most likely his pro career is over, but at least he tried and unlike a lot of hangers-on who never get it, he understood that being happy was more important than living up to his dad’s name. I say good for him. He certainly doesn’t deserve to be the butt of jokes because he made an honest decision.
by b.orr4 on Oct 22, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did he try?
And can we still joke about his workout video?
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And can we still joke about his workout video?
Yes please
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by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Does his status as a Gustafsson change that he was a busted first round pick in a draft with quality players available behind him?
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Not nearly the same, but sort of related – Gretzky’s kids don’t play hockey. Lots of theories on why not, but I’m willing to at least partially believe the one that says they didn’t want to worry about not living up to expectations.
"It's always good to have vikings."
That’s part of it, but so is the lack of available ice, according to Wayne. I’d be willing to bet he could get them the ice if they wanted to play, especially considering Etem, etc.
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Gotta say, if I were a Gretzky and didn’t have an all-consuming passion for playing hockey, I’d probably it, too. You’d never get a look for who you actually were, just who you might one day become if you were the exact same as your father.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If I’m a Gretzky did, I’d be avoiding sports entirely and taking up something like classical piano or abstract painting.
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If it was important TO WAYNE for his kids to be good at hockey, he would have raised them in a hockey hub. He made his choices, and his choices included not emphasizing hockey for the next generation of Gretzkys.
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I’m not sure that’s true, but who knows. His wife is from SoCal and his kids were born there. I’m not sure he was going to move them to force them to play hockey. He could have put them in a quality youth program then shipped them to the WHL.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
I’ll still put 8/1 on GMGM drafting Trevor with a 7th round pick.
Because he's class, and you're not.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think his son is the QB at a big prep high school in California.
Lemieux’s son is on a traveling team, so the Pens will probably be drafting him in the 5th round in a few years.
If they don’t reach for him with a first, then they’ll be ahead of the Capitals on that transaction.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
There was just a story that one son is going to play baseball at San Diego State. Hey, maybe someday he’ll play for the Nats!
"It's always good to have vikings."
I could be wrong but I think I heard his son plays on the same team as Joe Montana’s son does.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I got confused when I read that story. I think he did, but it could have been the older brother. This story may have been on PD, so it could be easy to find.
"It's always good to have vikings."
The one famous quote from that article on Gretzky’s kid comes from his high school football coach.
Over the years, Wayne would take a look at Trevor’s wingspan — on his way to 6-foot-4 — and wonder whether the boy could’ve been a defenseman. And the kid played defense, all right: linebacker. “He’s a football player,” says Bill Redell, the head varsity coach at Oaks Christian. “Hockey’s like watching two guys fish. He’s not going to play hockey.”
And that coach is an idiot.
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yeah, reading that was a real turn off. Why should I take anything that guy has to say seriously if he’s making dumb comments like that?
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He did, Nick Montana graduated last year, and the QB job went to Gretzky. Joe M. has two sons that play QB, Nick the better one, went to Washinton, this is his freshman year. Trey Smith is a wide receiver and senior this year at Oaks Christian HS in SoCal. They call it celebrity high.
Nate Montana, the older one, went to ND as a walk on and made the team.
I assume ND is Notre Dame, and not North Dakota :)
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Gretzky’s kids don’t play hockey.
Where did you get that info? All of his boys have played hockey for fun. His son Ty was the only one that was sort of good. He went to Shattuck-Saint Mary’s and then quit because he wasn’t very good. I can’t imagine all the heckling he had to deal with. I think he is a big golfer now.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
That’s in the past. “Don’t” is present tense. As in, not playing to be a pro. I read the whole story, too.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Oh, I didn’t understand what you were trying to say then. Saying that they didn’t want to worry about not living up to expectations makes it sound like they never laced up or tried.
FWIW, two of them still play for fun.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
Not really. Philthy and the like are easy tropes and needlessly malign an entire city while it’s at it. Something like Bustafsson is original and more to the point, if the kid is headed back to Sweden because he’s done playing hockey, he’s an unequivocally a bust. It’s original, it’s fairly clever and it’s not whiny, while acknowledging the real disappointment with the player.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, no. We’re allowed to take shots at our own.
Patron saint of quality footwear.
by fat_daddyo on Oct 22, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And further to the point, there’s a line to walk between PC and puerile. Go too far either way and nothing is fun.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
No. Crysby and Philthy are tired and clichéd, whereas these were original and funny and conveyed meaning.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 22, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is precisely why F&B’s lines were OK. I laughed the first time I saw Philthy and Crysby too.
The 10th time I see Bustaffson, I think I would probably ask whoever said it to stop. But this time, it was pretty funny.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest, it wasn’t my original line.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
If you take away the best player drafted, almost any year’s draft will be terrible for any GM
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Take away the first player drafted and it’s terrible for fewer GMs. If you missed on the first pick but a later choice salvages the year, good on you for identifying the player, but you were probably more lucky than good.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
(not really responding to you)
I just get annoyed that folks tend to compare GMGM’s misses against other GM’s hits.
Step back and look at the farm system, and it looks pretty good. Right now after the recent “graduations”, they’re weak on D and strong on F and G. A couple of years ago, D was the main strength. But overall, they’re fine. Not great, but certainly better than average, especially given the draft positions the Caps have had lately.
Caps are #4 in the HF rankings. There are some serious flaws with HF, but it’s like Schultz leading the league in +/- : you can’t be #4 in the HF rankings and have a bad system.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Once Varly, Neuvy, Alzner and JC get flushed out of the ranking considerations, where do you put them?
This is my main concern, really. I see a gap of at least a couple of years before the system can provide an impact player at a cheap rate. By impact player, I’m talking about a regular Top 6 F shift or a regular Top 4 D shit, I should add.
Patron saint of quality footwear.
Isn’t one hope that you could commit to one of the goalies, move the other one, and look at Holtby as your backup? Goalie management seems to be real hit and miss for franchises, though, in the salary cap NHL.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
But how good could it be? What would out depth look like with more quality players? GMGM succeeded on pure volume, not skill. Hack move.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
There is no reason to miss on a first anymore and Neuvy is the only non-first you mentioned and he was an early 2.
/rehash last week’s discussion
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 9:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There are always going to be first round misses no matter who is doing the selecting. Just the nature of trying to evaluate guys who are still developing. As for Neuvy, he was a second who could very well be our goalie for the long run. Pretty good value in the second round.
I’m not suggesting that GMGM has been the best at drafting, just saying you can’t dismiss his late first/early second picks as just based upon luck.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the talent is deep enough now that it’s basically inexcusable to miss on a first. It’ll happen, but it’s a dagger. GMGM has missed a bunch of late, and he’s just lucky that he’s had a ton to work with.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Agreed. First rounders, particularly top 15’s, are the most valuable asset a team can have. Can’t piss those away too often and be successful (and employed).
Don’t want to focus on the “luck” part of your comment again but the team made a concerted effort to stockpile first round picks so it’s not so much luck that they had so many of them as it was strategy.
I agree that it is a good thing they did have so many of them because they essentially wasted three of them and still should be a top team in the East/League. I fear that when all is said and done with this current group, we may be saying “what if” when it comes to missing on those picks.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Since 2002, some notable top-three round picks…
Even years: Alexander Semin, Boyd Gordon, Alex Ovechkin, Jeff Schultz, Mike Green, Nicklas Backstrom, Semyon Varlamov, Michal Neuvirth, John Carlson
Odd years: Nathan Paetsch, Owen Fussey, Steve Werner, Sasha Pokulok, Joe Finley, Josh Godfrey, Theo Ruth
We’ll see if the 2009 class (which looks pretty good…on paper) will break the pattern
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I know this a little OT here, but it’s like the curse of the Star Trek movies, the odd numbered ones were bad and the even ones were the good ones
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
Just for some perspective…
2010 after seven games: 4-3-0 (8 pts)
2009 after seven games: 3-2-2 (8pts)
2010 goals for/against: 19/18
2009 goals for/against: 26/21
2010 power play: 4/30 (13.3%)
2009 power play: 7/34 (20.6%)
2010 penalty kill: 26/29 (89.7%)
2009 penalty kill: 29/35 (82.9%)
2010 record in one-goal games: 3-0-0
2009 record in one-goal games: 0-2-2
Concern? yes…the top line’s not producing lately, the power play sucks. But it’s not yet where we have to remove sharp objects from the room.
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by ThePeerless on Oct 22, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
No panic button being pressed here, but the team hasn’t looked right in all but 1 game. I’ve said it somewhere before, #52 may be the most important player on this team given the system being employed.
2 years ago, when we had 7 players out, we still won until Green went out and then we went on a losing streak.
Plenty of time to fix whatever is wrong, but I’d like to see happen sooner than later.
4th Floor, is next, swimvare, undervare, Eric Fehr...
The think that I find annoying as a fan is something that has plagued this franchise for years. They “talk” very well. They say the right things with the right amount of thoughtfulness and sincerity. But actions too often don’t measure up to the narrative.
For example… anyone think this club is “staying angry” these days? Shirts don’t win championships.
If you've read this far...seek help.
That time when he couldn't get off the ice due to the icing...
..and we had to use the timeout was positively frightful.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
If you have the game recorded, check out the second Boston goal and how long the first line was caught on the ice.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. low tech doesn’t have the game recorded (and can’t do gamethreads and TV at the same time ;-( ) but I remember that well.
An all around bummer day for me with the beating we took in Beantown and the Phillies getting back in the NLCS in large part due to Giants bad defense.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Bruce needs to start channeling Mike Babcock one of these days, seriously.
The ice will show everything.
I just can’t see Bruce pulling of the death stare. Although it is funny to imagine the amusing ways Bruce would attempt to contort his face to do the death glare.
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On that point, I think in retrospect it was a mistake to send both A Gordon and M Perreault down. Not because they’re better than the players who are currently up (I don’t think they are). But because they want to be NHLers so badly, they’d push the guys who are here.
Mackan’s a rookie too, but his energy is totally different. This team needs some hunger, and either of A. Gordon and M. Perreault could bring it.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that. There’s a reason we didn’t do so badly last year and the year before when a lot of injuries led to a ton of call-ups – those guys pushed everyone else. And not to suggest that MarJo isn’t hauling ass, because he was the best player out there last night (imo), but he probably doesn’t feel like he’s fighting for his NHL life right now. There’s a difference between simply being “on” and playing with desperation.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
cf: Matt Hendricks
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by EmilyB on Oct 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, but just how much of either of their energy could/would ripple through the roster? It seemed like yesterday’s post on B.Gordon helped illustrate that there’s less margin for error than the bottom six guys, and realistically there wasn’t much chance for A.Gordon/Perreault to make an impact either on the ice or in the room.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t play MP on the bottom 6. I want him as 2C.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t disagree, but FUCK if that’s what we need. If BB had put any fear of accountability in them then maybe we’d see some ball busting.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Concern? Yes and beyond just the issue of top line play and PP%. This team seems to be suffering from the inability to get over bad habits. Fancy passing when a dump and chase might be the better option, inability to clear the defensive zone, allowing the goalie to see the puck, Ovi going it alone, etc. Habits that have been forged the past couple of years due to their superior talent level and some weak competition.
The Habs exposed some of their weaknesses last Spring and other teams have taken note. On top of that, they have two guys (14 and 90) who are new to critical positions. I do think this team, like many of us here, are dismissing the regular season as a mere formality.
In the long run, it’s probably a good thing that they are struggling right now vs. cruising along.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
This I agree with. The last thing I wanted was the team to go on cruise control again. Struggling is good. Identifying and correcting weaknesses is good. However, the uneven, inconsistent play drives me nuts and it really cost them last night. It will be telling to see how this team looks by Thanksgiving. That is more than enough games to begin gelling and improving.
Alright, confess-how many goals are you going to make this year?
"I'm not going to tell!"
Well can you at least guarantee fifty?
"No way. I have a different objective. To win."
by capsyoungguns on Oct 22, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think these are salient points – how long will we continue to torture ourselves with comparisons to the MON series? Specifically, the Ovie-going-it-alone and the “we got 39 shots but we ran into a hot goalie” memes. I don’t know if it’s the Emperor’s new clothes but someone needs to hand Bruce a bathrobe. He’s in denial.
Why can BOS stack bodies in front of Varly but Thomas saw practically every save he made? I give Thomas major props but this is unbelievable.
I said it last night and I’ll say it again, in the long run these consecutive losses to Boston may be the best thing that can happen to this team. Like it or not, the Caps are still suffering a psychological hangover from that Montreal series. And after being told by just about everybody that the regular season is meaningless, they seem to be believing it. The worse thing that could have happened was for them to bolt out of the gate and go 8-2 or something like that. They needed a punch in the nose to get them in the here and now and hopefully Boston gave it to them. Adversity builds character and aside from a #2 center and another defenseman, that’s what’s missing the most among this group of players. I’ll be very curious to see how they respond on Saturday night.
I’m not buying anymore that any loss is going to benefit this team. They lost a few games like this last year too which we thought would kick them into gear, piss them off, whatever. I’m starting to think the only good that can come from losing is that it will convince McPhee to make a trade.
Its only thru seven games though. No need to panic yet, especially since the Caps dropped 4 straight at the beginning of the season last year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Panic button? Forget that. I have another one at my disposal ... and a concealed sharp object.

I jest. Appreciate the even keeled perspective you’ve thrown our way Peerless. Last night’s GDT was not exactly quite at the level of panic, it’s the apocalypse, the sky is falling, this team is never going to win, fire BB, [insert whatever simplified and perhaps overblown and simplified description of the dire situation the Caps are in] but it did have some general tones showing a rapid trend towards that direction. That’s not to say I don’t have my concerns nor do I not share the ones others point out — consider me as pessimistic and realistic as any Caps fan out there…
Granted, I haven’t been here at the Rink pretty much throughout the entire off-season but I followed enough here and there to grasp a little bit of how much the current personnel and roster make-up of the team will potentially affect their play throughout the season. We know there were and still are concerns about:
-the deficiencies of the D-corps and the general lack of depth
-the lack of a legit 2C and depth down the middle
-the PP
-the offense
-ice time management
-systems play in all three zones
-discipline (on the fundamentals) and adjustments during the course of 60 minutes of play
-FO
-The top line
-The offense
The list can go on, and on but let’s not lose sight of the fact the season is long. There’s time to work out the kinks, thoroughly look at all of those particular deficiencies and needs before the trade deadline and ultimately the playoffs — in short, what really is the identity of this team? I thought we got a glimpse of it during the game against New Jersey, but maybe that was an anomaly. The only way we’ll find out is through the grind called the regular season. Of course, the Caps still need to make the playoffs.
Name a team, any, that at this point of the season is satisfied at where they are — feeling good about how they’re playing, etc. — and thinking they’ll still be at the same position come playoff time.
I found good stuff to draw from yesterday’s game along with stuff that left a lot to be desired of course. Check in with me around late November/early December and maybe I’ll push the button above. I highly doubt it though.
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Keep Fear Alive
by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Am I wrong or were the last two Eastern Conference Champions out of the playoffs midway through the season? ’08 Pens and ’09 Flyers. Both had coaching changes mid-season, IIRC
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember that Konowalchuk trade talk.
The Caps wanted Derek Morris back from the Avs initially, but it ended up being Bates…
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
by Steck It Out on Oct 22, 2010 7:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Sorry I missed the meet up, not so sorry I missed the game. Did anyone keep poor Laichitor company? I did have a glass of tequila in absentia.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 8:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Russ Thaler kept him company for most of the night.
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Indeed, and I didn’t even know it was him at first. Embarrassing. Russ is a good guy though.
"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I couldn’t find a DD to get out there.
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by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I was bummed I didn’t actually meet anyone. Next time I guess…
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You should have stood near the beer table. That’s where the party was.
"Do not be afraid to ask for credit, for our way of refusing is very polite."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 22, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
that’s because we couldn’t see the TV, so we weren’t as depressed as everyone else.
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Ha, that’s why my friend and I moved into the bar area, because I couldn’t see.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Next time, I’m wearing a sandwich board.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, someone needs to provide the name tags.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Also did anyone else think the bar manager who was serving the free beer looked eerily like Erskine?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
He totally did. Too bad it’s wasn’t really Erskine serving beer.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he did, it would take an hour to get your beer although patrons would be able to get by him easily.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Only team so far who hasn’t given up a PP goal.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s getting tired to talk of Damien Cox, but…
Interesting that Bozak is taking up $3.75 million of Leaf cap space. He’s on a 2-way, so he can go down if Burke needs to spend.
Guy’s a professional journalist. He shouldn’t get getting his understanding of waivers from a video game.
(BTW, I’d be remiss if I didn’t note that J.P. point the tweet out to me)
by David Getz on Oct 22, 2010 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe he means if Burke needs to spend ad cut costs elsewhere? Doubtful given MLSE’s budget and resources.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I came in late to it, but Knuble is giving a great interview on 106.7 right now.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Would have been better if they asked him a bit about hockey. But the stories of the old MIchigan days were pretty good.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering it was the “sports junkies” that were giving the interview, that’s probably a good thing.
"I would feed them lefts until I was pretty much tired of doing it." - Alan May, JRR, 10.16.2010
I’ll agree with that. I wouldn’t have turned it on, but I got back to the office and checked twitter. Turned it off right after they were done.
As I said, I missed the beginning, I think when I came in they were discussing getting older. I thought he was great, and honestly, hockey talk gets repetitive after a while. I liked the out of the box discussion. Even if I hate U of Mich.
"It's always good to have vikings."
hehe
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Back at you. 34-17.
That hockey game at the Big House is going to be all kinds of cool. I wish it would get some kind of TV that I could watch (any of the ESPNs or even Big Ten Network). Looks like it’s local Fox Sports Detroit per MSU Athletics’ webpage. Are you listening NHLN?
"It's always good to have vikings."
Maybe check ADTHE—they often have links to college sports on there and you could likely get an online feed through there.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s my warm-up act for the Winter Classic. I’ll be at The Big House (The Bigger House after its renovation) for The Big Chill at the Big House
This is approximately the view we’ll have…

I think I’m actually sitting in Ypsilanti
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 22, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes! That looks worse than the view we’re going to have in Pittsburgh.
Eh, maybe not. Oy, why am I going to the Winter Classic again?
"It's always good to have vikings."
because you couldn’t pass up seats on the 50 yard line? ;) even if they are a mile above the rink.
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Because it’s a once-in-a-lifetime event? I’m stoked about going to an outdoor game featuring the Caps, even if it is in Pittsburgh. I know the Caps are getting one in 2013 or 2014, but who knows if the team will be any good by then? Ovechkin, Crosby, Green, Semin, and Malkin are at or near their absolute peaks, on a unique stage. I hope the atmosphere is as awesome as it’s looked at the other Classics and I hope I get to serenade Pittsburgh fans as they leave the stadium.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And before we say It was rhetorical, I know it was. I might be justifying it to myself just a touch, too.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
he looked a whole lot better than the B’s player that took an OV shot to the leg, at least Hendricks was able to walk on his own once he got to the bench and off the ice.
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
Well, it was a bit scary to see him try to put some weight on it getting to the bench, and fall over :(
Sounds like he’s out practicing on the fourth line today, according to Corey so that’s good news.
Holding my breath, it looks like maybe we get Green back tomorrow.
cmasisak22 Mike Green is skating with Jeff Schultz in the 1st drill. Alzner and Carlson are also together (as are Sloan and Poti) for the #Caps.
"It's always good to have vikings."
I approve of this message. With the D healthy, these are the pairings I’d like to see (although maybe sans Sloan).
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by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Hoping they’re not rushing Mike back too soon. But they are.
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Guess it depends on what he actually did (I’m assuming “undisclosed” means “shoulder injury”). If its that same shoulder again, yep…he’s being rushed.
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by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Glad to hear it’s not another “optional” practice. I usually don’t care much that some big minute guys take their option the morning after a roady, but this would not be a good time for that.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh crap
cmasisak22 Oops – my mistake on the d pairs. Let’s try that again: #Caps d-pairs are Schultz-Green, Alzner-Carlson, Sloan-ERSKINE). Sorry.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Oh, Noti.
You perhaps knew me better as "Your Nation's Capital." Same great commentary, now with 100% more transparency!
Neither Corey nor Katie have said anything about Poti. Maybe he’s got one of the “family matters” excuses and it’s nothing. I hope that’s it.
"It's always good to have vikings."
someone opened a pack of peanuts on the plane last night!
Pledge Drive 2010-2011: SO KIDS CAN!! Help build a playground
Poti’s out again? Groin?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Loose eyeball
Previously incarnated as UnleashFurry
Keep Fear Alive
by Christoph J on Oct 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Ouch. That one could hurt.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m now picturing that pirate from Pirates of the Caribbean with his wooden eyeball that always fell out…ew.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey all – Trying to help out a friend get rid of two tickets to Saturday’s game here.
Let me know if interested.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 12:26 PM EDT reply actions
RE: Birthday Boy Terry Yake
I remember when the Caps got Terry Yake at the beginning of the decade. He was a guy who when he first came up had some speed and played well both on the power play and the penalty kill for Hartford, then Anaheim. He scored over 50 pointsa couple of season in the early 90s for each team. He was then traded to Toronto and his scoring touch seemed to vanish (imagine that). He remained a good defensive forward and played a couple of worthy seasons as a grinder for the Blues before ending his NHL career here.He wasn’t a diamond in the rough, the way a Brian Bellows was for us the year we went to the Cup and only played 47 games for us all told. He ended his hockey career playing in Germany and Switzerland. According to wikipedia, he now runs a meat distribution company in St Louis.
Here is a picture of his jersey for the German Nuremberg Ice Tigers team:
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I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
For anyone considering Game Center Live
I have a day off today and I must say, being able to go watch any team play any game over the last three seasons is a pretty freakin’ cool feature.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions
And for those that remember me saying I wouldn’t get something like this because I’d never get any homework done: so far, so accurate. I justified it using my scoring chances recording for when I can’t watch the game, but it’s been, um, challenging. Having the whole slate to pick from whenever I want to watch hockey is a powerful distraction.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s both the greatest and worst thing ever. The amount of time I spent watching games this summer when I should have been running errands or cleaning the apartment or going out and being social with the three-dimensional people…yeah.
But it’s awesome, especially when you want to check out other teams. Or just relive the 10-2 spanking we put on Boston two years ago (highly recommended).
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
It’sboththe greatestandworstthing ever.
There. All better.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
Hey, I’m perfectly fine not being a productive member of society – just providing myself with a buffer in case others think that’s important ;)
I pretty much renew my love for GCL about once a week, when I discover or rediscover some feature they’ve added. For example, I started reading about that Rypien thing on Twitter the other night right as it was happening but wasn’t watching any games, so I logged in, pulled up that game, hit the little “rewind 10 seconds” button thingy a few times and got to see it just a few minutes after those who had seen it live.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
Nice work, Corey.
Forgot to ask BB about Poti (apologies).
I kid, but that’s a major screwup.
"It's always good to have vikings."
Yikes. Not up to Corey’s usual standards.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It is. I’d wager a guess that he just got the day off since he played 24 minutes last night and is probably still not 100% from whatever was bugging him…but obviously I have no clue and yeah, surprising that Corey didn’t ask. Oh, well.
If anyone needs me, I'll be at Kettler.
Dear Diary,
Today, I forgot to ask Bruce Boudreau about Tom Poti’s groin. Ok, I can’t lie to you Diary – I was just embarrassed to say the word “groin” in front of all those people. Honestly Diary, I’m so shy and sometimes I feel like you’re the only one who understands me. Well, you and David Getz, but he still hasn’t asked me to the dance. What do I have to do to get him to notice me?
Invisibly yours,
Corey
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Corey rectified his mistake.
cmasisak22 Corey Masisak
Bruce Boudreau said #Caps d-man Tom Poti was taking a maintenance day and is “100 percent” certain he will play tomorrow vs. ATL.
Thank goodness. I am looking forward to that great day when Green comes back and Erskine is a healthy scratch. He’s been really bugging me lately; Sloan I can live with.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Huh, I feel the opposite. I’d rather have Erskine over Sloan, but I’d prefer neither for long stretches.
Just trying to capture the spirit of the thing...
by dcsportsfan1 on Oct 22, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
For those of you that remember the RMNB simulation with AO having a mean of 43 goals
I did my own, using the same methodology for shots in a game and using AO’s career shooting percentage on each shot. I arrived at 54 goals for a mean with a standard deviation of 5ish. I’ll by typing it up and publishing it sometime today.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This team could stand to have Steve Konowalchuk....
he is exactly the type of player this team lacks but needs in my opinion.
I would love a Kono on any team I had,
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted’s got his own, well take on things lately & last night, pretty good read. Hopefully he’s sending this same message to BB and the team
http://www.tedstake.com/2010/10/22/it-isnt-them-it-is-us/
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
by Elliotte on Oct 22, 2010 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank goodness someone in the franchise other than Laich is saying this.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Still waiting for the guys with C/A’s on their chest to chime in.
Because he's class, and you're not.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Just curious……who would you prefer?
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Brooks should be wearing the “C” right now.
When AO got the captaincy I thought it was inevitable even if it wasn’t my choice. I felt the same about Crosby when he got it (as a rookie I think), but I think he will grow into the role.
If you listen to Laich’s interviews, he comes across as a leader to me. AO was fine with the “A”, but I don’t him as the Yzerman or Messier type of leader right now.
Agreed. Laich probably would have been my choice too. I’m still curious as to why he doesn’t have the “A” this year.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the people in the room have a different take?
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. That cleared it all up.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Laich appears to be a nice person and gives a great quote. Which is all lovely from the fan perspective, but means nothing when it comes to the operations of the team in the room or on the ice.
Six Beers Too Many fantasy team: It's Neu-virth Than Usual
"I wake up in the middle night frustrated because we lost out in the first round and I want to see our players hoist the Stanley Cup." -Brooks Laich
by CapitalCentre on Oct 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I get what he was saying. That was just a snarky way of saying “the sarcasm is really helpful.”
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t clear if you understood. Or, “right back atcha.”
Six Beers Too Many fantasy team: It's Neu-virth Than Usual
"I wake up in the middle night frustrated because we lost out in the first round and I want to see our players hoist the Stanley Cup." -Brooks Laich
by CapitalCentre on Oct 22, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to read sarcasm on the interwebs. That statement now reads: “Thanks. That cleared it all up,” said twistedlogic with an air of sarcasm.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d agree with you if Brooks was consistent about practicing what he preaches
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brooks has basically practiced what he’s preached this season.
My only problem is he doesn’t look like he’s having fun anymore. Always looks supremely pissed off.
Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once.
That’s good though. Gotta have a little fire on the team.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, to a point. Get too angry, you stop enjoying yourself, and the “fire” just turns to smoldering ashes.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree completely. It’s also a little early to be burning with this amount of intensity. It’s a long season.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
True story. Its a fine line, but I don’t think he’s quite crossed it yet.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely. My time in the locker room has convinced me I know what is best for the rest of the players. Laich for Captain, team mechanic, clairvoyant, mascot, and head chip’n’dale.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
So much snark.
I do think those are valid points, though. I’ve always had a different set of issues with Ovechkin as captain. Namely: if it turns out that he isn’t really suited to this sort of leadership role (and I’m not saying he is or he isn’t; I don’t know if we, the fans, will ever know, and I don’t have a problem with that), you can’t ever take it away. What if John Carlson (or whomever) turns out to have that Messier leadership quality, and Ovechkin flounders?
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I do have lots of snark for the “who should be Captain” discussion. I admit it. We are literally in no position to determine, so who cares. Lots of people love Laich, but it’s irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who we like.
If someone else is a leader, they’ll lead. The ‘C’ won’t change that. We don’t know if anyone on that team is or is not a good leader. So let’s let the players and coaches make their determinations and leave it at that.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
So let’s let the players and coaches make their determinations and leave it at that.
We question nearly every other decisions they make. What makes the “C” off limits?
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Because it’s based almost entirely on things we’re not privy to.
We can question their in-game strategy and play because we can see that. How on earth do we know how the players interact in the room, or on the road?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
by D'ohboy on Oct 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because we can see everything else play out on the ice. We really have no idea what the locker room dynamics are. If we were privy to that as well as the games, I’d be much more comfortable discussing this with presumed authority.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because at least when it comes to on ice production we can watch and evaluate with our eyes. We literally have no clue what goes on behind closed doors, or what kind of qualities the players respect or admire about each other. There’s nothing informed about any opinion that weighs in on a Captain debate amongst a team. It’s a popularity contest. Oooooooooh, player X is a great quote! But player Y is the best player on the team! But player Y seems to know what it takes to win! But player X works hard and scores! Guess what, Captain debates on a team are based on who the players follow and respect. We just don’t know that as fans.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s like a holy trinity smakedown!
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
by SmallZ827 on Oct 22, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, that escalated quickly. Brick killed a guy.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stick would totally win.
Aim for the head baby Jesus
by Doncosmic on Oct 22, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
All of the timestamps read 5:10, hah. All written independently and I’d bet money that each of us thought that ours was the sole reply when we hit ‘post’.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sorry and I promise I’l never do it again. Yikes.
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, we didn’t mean to all jump on you at once. Debate is good.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And all worth the rec.
Six Beers Too Many fantasy team: It's Neu-virth Than Usual
"I wake up in the middle night frustrated because we lost out in the first round and I want to see our players hoist the Stanley Cup." -Brooks Laich
by CapitalCentre on Oct 22, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I still like AO as captain, but the more I see, the more I’m liking Backstrom. He’s likely captaining Team Sweden in the future (he has already, IIRC) and after his contract is up may become a captain himself.
But that’s 10 years from now.
by red army line on Oct 22, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing about baseball, when a team lays an egg, it usually gets to haul right back out there the next day. Hockey demands more patience than I can often muster.
"This guy is an android. He's not human....Oh my goodness."
Ha! Hockey’s okay for me. Two or three days between games. Football would be tough if the Redskins hadn’t given me yearly practice in diminishing expectations. Baseball can be debilitating when your team goes on FAIL after FAIL after FAIL with 8+ game losing streaks. Constant teasing for hope. As a Nats fan, I am all to familiar with the extended losing streak.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Then again, 1/5 of MLB teams haven’t sniffed the playoffs in a decade or more. That patience can get worn pretty thin.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And three teams have been in the league an awful long while and never been to the World Series: Rangers, Expos/Nats, and Seattle.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Sheeit, the Rangers had never won a playoff series!
(Sorry CB.)
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
But, uh. . . .
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I thinked I asked this before but just where is you Laingtern?
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Physically, emotionally, spiritually. . . ?
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m in Alexandria, but I think I want to move to my favorite location spot, like Hawaii, or Italy, or Cleveland.
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Cleveland is very picturesque. Definitely compares to Italy and Hawaii.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaaand clearly no “30 Rock” fans here. Flail.
If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak.
by Hang a Laingtern on Your Problems on Oct 22, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
For God’s sakes, Laingtern, we’d all like to flee to the Cleve and club up at the Flats and have lunch with Little Richard, but we fight those urges.
by Wheeler on Oct 22, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh. Not a reason for me to like them, racist too lazy to improve the team Griffiths. They could have picked up some of the Grays around the time Doby debuted in Cleveland and not had to leave DC.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Truer words were never spoken.
- A Seattle Mariners fan
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I really, really feel for your team. They went all in this year and nothing really panned out. Figgins was a bust and they had to flip Lee. Now the stupidheads on ESPN want to rob the Mariners of their one saving joy, a deserved Cy Young for King Felix.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Yeah. It was brutal. An absolute and complete collapse. On the other hand, at least our farm system is re-stocked.
(trying to find the bright side here)
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
I’m gonna get the “zomg OT!!!” here, but I totally agree. Anybody who watched Felix pitch this year should know he’s the guy in the AL.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not even close. But “CC’s got the wins” will probably win out just like “HE HAS A CUP!!!” always seems to.
Eat, drink, and be merry! And then drink some more.
Let’s put it this way. If “CC’s got the wins” gets him the Cy Young that will be yet another reason to get your baseball news on the internet.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
CC isn’t even in my top 3, but he’ll probably win anyways. Wins are a useless stat in baseball, but the folks who actually make these decisions don’t realize that.
I don’t have much tolerance for stupid. Or cheese on food that doesn’t need it. -duck
by twistedlogic on Oct 22, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember when the Mariners had a super duper regular season one year but crashed and burned in the playoffs. They had several superstars at the time as well (K. Griffey and R. Johnson.)
Later they had A-Rod.
Gee whiz, the Mariners of that time frame sound an awful lot like a certain hockey team we all follow.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Yeah, but only 8 teams make the MLB playoffs each year, compared with double that for the NHL and NBA, much harder to make the MLB playoffs.
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
I hear the talk about playoff expansion and it scares me though. Baseball playoffs are so random that letting in more teams really starts to dilute the impact of the regular season to me.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Random? It’s each of the 3 division winners plus the next best team, how’s that random? Or do you mean the results?
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
Yes. I mean the results for baseball in the playoffs and how they can differ from the regular season. The Reds were not nearly as awful as they showed during the playoffs, especially offensively. The Rays might have looked better than the Rangers if it was a deeper rotation against a deeper rotation although their offensive weaknesses were exposed.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
Which is surprising cause in baseball you play 3-4 game series against 1 team at a time all year long, then in the playoffs it gets bumped up to a 7 game series, you’d think they’d be used to it
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
The problems is that some teams, like the Rays, feast on working pitchers who aren’t the greatest. You get to the playoffs and they have to face all aces and never get to see the bullpen chumps that the Yankees are getting to in a longer series.
I’d rather see them move the start of the season up, cut spring training some if need be and keep the same format with 7 game series’ and fewer off days.
Hockey really gets it right by putting some games opposite one another to keep the playoffs moving. Basketball is the worst and baseball is a close second.
The wait for 10/7 begins. This man is focused. Are you?
I think a best of 5 after 162 games is developmentally challenged.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
Doesn’t matter to the 20% of fans who know they have no chance going into the season.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
And they aren’t one of the 20% that hasn’t made the post-season.
Lockout talk makes me want to go out and choke an old lady - Elliotte Friedman
So…If Ottawa is out of contention at the deadline, Chris Phillips is in the last year of a 3.5 mil contract. Just sayin’.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I tried to add an html rosterbation tag, but it disappeared on me.
But, uh, yes. Want. Want very much. Want a lot more than Hamrlik.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh. Yes. Please.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Further in this vein: Ian White is UFA after this season at 2.6 mil and I can almost guarantee that CGY is out of contention this season.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I was quite impressed with White on the Leafs last year. I haven’t seen a lot of his play since he’s been dealt to the Flames. I know he’s still sporting the stache though.
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.
by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
KHTAD for GM. I’m buying everything you’re selling today
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re the one with the JD, how about Gouldie for GM and I’ll glom on as chief-stat-looker-upper.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Pseudo-Fish?
Because he's class, and you're not.
by Bald Pollack on Oct 22, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2C market looks remarkably barren, though.
CP2Devil, if you wander through this thread: Turris is RFA and 21 years old, which is when players normally start being able to meaningfully contribute on both ends of the ice. How has he looked and do you think the ‘Yotes would part with him? Also, heh, does he play wing or center? I don’t rightly know.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize one game is not even a sample size…but thoughts on MarJo filling that role fairly successfully come playoff time?
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Hrm. Given his level of play from the rest of the season, I’m inclined to doubt it, especially as he starts to get worn down by a much longer, tougher schedule. Players that age, unless they’ve got impeccable bluechip credentials, are rarely ready to contribute at that level this early in their careers. Even then, it’s not likely.
I’m not saying it can’t happen, but given how everyone else performs at similar ages, I’d be surprised. Especially given how physically immature MarJo is. If he were more towards the Bogosian side of things, rather than the Burmistrov side of things, I’d be more optimistic. Ultimately though, I’m just guessing.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great explanation, thanks.
"Do you see my fist? It was fists like these that built quaint Canadian cities out of the harsh Canadian wilderness, etc. etc."
Not in Seattle anymore.
by SeattleCapsFan on Oct 22, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you feel the same way if Johansson gets no PP time and they limit his PK time? If they do that, he might not get many more minutes as 2C as he would at 3C…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s largely dependent on the situations he’s used in. If the coach can afford to shelter him a bit and continue to play him with strong wings (Laich has impressed me so far this season), while limiting his PP and PK time, then maybe. Still, I’d never want him on the ice with responsibility for Mike Richards or Sidney Crosby, or even Travis Zajac.
Even so, I think it’d be tough for him. A lot of things are going to have to break the right way for the Caps to make it deep in the playoffs this season, moreso than the last two years, I think.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim did it with a line of rookies. It’s possible, but I agree — odds are against it
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Anaheim did do it with rookies: Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf and Dustin Penner, who are all enormous and all much more physically developed than MarJo at the same age. I’d say Penner is the low-water mark for that line and if MarJo plays up to Penner’s ability, I’ll be very happy with his career development path.
"Essentially, all models are wrong, but some are useful" George E.P. Box
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And they were quasi-rookies. They had NHL experience going into the Cup year.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t because that’s how he was used in the SEL. If he had huge minutes in the SEL so that limiting his NHL minutes could result in playing him relatively equal minutes I might change my tune. But he’s looking at double minutes in a tougher and more physical league however you slice it.
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by Rob Parker on Oct 22, 2010 3:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First off it was nice meeting you last night. Onto the point, other then Brad Richards and Tim Connolly I can’t really see any true top C being available come the trade deadline that are FA after the season.
Nice to meet’cha, too.
I don’t even want a top C unless one falls into our laps. The way Richards is playing, there’s no chance that dude is available at a price the Caps will pay at the deadline. Connolly is injured as frequently as anyone in the league and while he’s for a sure a 1st line offensive talent, I can just about promise he won’t be available for the whole playoff run, even if the Caps acquire him.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Patrik Berglund from StL would make me happy. Not that it likely would ever happen, Just a pipe dream of mine.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I was saying this to F&B the other day: dream scenario, Flash and Stecks for Phillips.
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
He’s pretty good at being stationary so . . . paperweight?
'Cause the end of what it was is what it is right now...
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=541289&navid=DL|NHL|home
Rypien gets 6 games, and the Nucks fork over $25,000 for it.
While 6 games may seem short to some folks, it’s interesting to note that
It’s the longest suspension for player-fan interaction since March 20, 1982 when Vancouver’s Doug Halward was suspended for seven games
LET'S GO CAPS!!!
I am not surprised. Same reason I mentioned yesterday: A few years ago Matthew Barnaby was involved in a similar incident and got 4 games. Give the passage of time and Bettman’s extra-sensitivity to the NHL’s image, you can add a couple games on there. I expected 6-8 games.
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by Rather Bengt on Oct 22, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
6 seems right. Nobody needs any deterrent for a thing like this, other than to see what’s already happened to Rypien’s name over the last few days. I can’t imagine anything like this happening again anytime soon. It was just such a freak loss of control.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 22, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
"How I Spent My Summer Vacation"
Ovi and the Caps (more or less, give or take a few)

The rest of the NHL: 667 players, their coaches, GM’s, and owners

Featuring dissection of each shift from the Habs series, plus isolation analysis of each goal scored by Ovi and Semin, among others, in 2009-10 and how to prevent the goals.
by Seminrocks on Oct 22, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
If it makes any difference, the blond sitting in front of Ovi is Joannie Rochette, the 2010 women’s bronze medalist in figure skating. That was most likely an appearance by Olympians.
But, whatever.
Personally I wish Ovi had left Moscow when the fires arrived and gone to stay in Nick’s new house in cool green Sweden, and trained on the Brynas rink. But that’s just me.
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Actually, he gets a pass from me for Turkey as well. He needed to blow off steam somewhere. It was the other ten weeks of parties that were problematic.
Plus the “savior of Russian hockey” routine that Medvedev and Tyurkin put him through.
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Satire, folks. Exaggeration on each count. Of course Ovi and all of them needed a vacation (I wish he had gone to Krasnoyarsk again). Although it’s only 7 games in, it feels like DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN! My point with the exaggeration is that it’s feeling like while others were studying up on how to beat us a la Habs, we were playing the same piece of music on the deck of the Titanic. Was there the thought that other teams might pick up where the Habs left off and maybe the Caps need to study how to counter that? So, it’s just the contrast. I don’t expect the players can willy-nilly change their individual style of play, but I sometimes worry that Ovi’s game, particularly, is not evolving, and he’s our franchise. Any change and evolution is difficult, so ithey could just be in that transition process while the new way is found. But, what if that’s all there is?
On the other hand, the team did seem to put in some serious work on their biggest weakness, the penalty kill efficiency. I think many of the offensive kinks will work themselves out, and I hope Mike Green gets well soon and sees how badly needed he is.
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Indeed, and I’m optimistic that the PK can remain better than last year if they stick to the program. On the PP, I remember watching the Red Wings in one of their play-off games last spring where the PP was just perfect and dynamite. We need ours to look just the way it did. It was quick, dynamic, and, at least in that game, effective.
Whatever he feels he needs to do to be ready for April is fine by me. I’d like less ice time now, more relaxation over the summer and whatever else is necessary to get him revved up and ready to go for April. Let Stamkos burn himself out during the regular season this go round.
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Today's CI "Squared" Commentary
The analysis in today’s CI-Squared column misses the obvious correlation vs. causation argument.
Anyone who’s watched Caps hockey over the last few years knows that BB double and even triple-shifts Ovie when the Caps are down by a goal or two and pressing late in the game. The last two games, for example, BB left Ovie out as a defenseman for some “Jimmy Page guitar solo from Dazed and Confused”-long shifts.
Hence, there is a relationship between Ovie’s shift lengths and the Caps’ winning percentage, but it’s not causal.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 22, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 22, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm. Perreault and Beagle “unavailable” in Hershey tonite.
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