Caps Extend Steckel, Sloan
by J.P. on Jan 6, 2010 12:08 PM EST
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PrintPer @TarikElBashir, "David Steckel signs for three years, $1.1 per" and "Tyler Sloan also signs two year extension. No word on money yet."
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That’s a more than decent deal for Steckel. What’s up with Sloan? I like him and all but if he’s being scratched every game, why resign him?
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I too would have preferred he resign rather than re-sign.
by TylerG on Jan 6, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Unrelated – I like that McPhee is getting it done now.
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Agreed on Steckel, not so much on Sloan. I’m having the same reaction with Sloan that I did with Erskine: “Why now, and why for two years?”
by David Getz on Jan 6, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I like the moves now from the point of view of having no distractions for the stretch run and the postseason, and that goes equally for everyone.
The only thing I can think is that they’re keeping Sloan around as a solid injury replacement. He is useful that way – a guy who can play either position saves you having to keep a spare F and a spare D both on the roster, and gives you a bit more roster flexibility.
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For him only if anyone. Wasn’t he already signed fro two years, though?
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Because the Caps will not be bringing back S. Morrison or Pothier. In order to fill out the bottom of their roster and have the necessary cap space to have four 5M+ players (OV, Semin, Backstrom, Green), they are going to need cheap, serviceable NHL defensemen who can preferably play forward in a pinch. Sloan fits the role perfectly. I imagine they’re getting him for 2 years at 600-800k per year. Good signing.
I imagine their D will look something like this next year:
Green
Schultz
Poti
Erskin
Alzner
Carlson
Sloan
I think the issue is that calling him a “serviceable NHL defenseman” is generous.
If this is Sloan the winger-who-occasionaly-plays-D, fine. If this is just to make it more likely he clears waivers, great. If this is meant to suggest he is our permanent #7, not good.
by brs03 on Jan 6, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
well, he’s serviceable in the sense that he can play games in the nhl w/o looking out of place. he’s jason strudwick but better.
I disagree with the “without looking out of place” part. However, he can play games in the NHL.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he constantly looks out of place, and certainly out of position, when he’s supposed to be manning the nachos in the Press Box.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
How does this answer “why now?” and/or “why two years?”
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
why now:
all of the caps’ signings for next year take place within the context of each other. none of them occur in a vacuum. resigning steckel, sloan, fehr (retaining a cheap bottom 6 and bottom pair) make the most sense in the context of having a top heavy and expensive group of the big four. the caps (wisely) have been negotiating with all of their impeding rfa’s contemporaneously. with semin signed and backstom likely close (expect a deal similar to kane and toews i imagine), it makes sense to get the players that are necessary because of the very deals signed by backstrom and semin (aka sloan) signed now. also, there’s probably a lesser argument that it makes sense to get them done now so the players aren’t thinking about it during the stretch run and playoffs. that’s a lesser argument, though.
why 2 years:
because the caps can offer less money to sloan for the security he gets with a two-year contract. this is exactly the right move.
Disagree on the first point – if they couldn’t sign Sloan this summer for what they can now, they could easily find a Sloan substitute at their price point.
Agreed on the second point from a price perspective, but not from a “commit to this player” perspective.
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The problem with your theory is that there are many cheaper and/or younger replacements for guys like Sloan sitting around the AHL. Why tie yourself into a two-year deal for a scrub/replacement player?
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Because GMGM makes one weird deal a year to give the bloggers something to bitch about?
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by IRockTheRed on Jan 6, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
who cares about younger? this isn’t a spot for a young player to develop into a better player (and more expensive player). they already have d spots for that (alzner, carlson, orlov). this is a spot needed (every good team needs one) for preferably an older, experienced, player who can be inserted into the lineup when necessary and who will come on the very cheap. are there cheaper alternatives than sloan? probably. will they be as good, versatile (can switch to forward)? maybe. but will they also know the caps system, the caps players, and will boudreau also have a good read on their abilities and personality? no. that’s sloan.
re signing sloan in the summer for the same as they get him now, i guess the caps could have gone that route, but i dont really see the point. how much cheaper can you go for a nhl defensemen for around 700k. the players that cost less than that are fairly terrible generally. and they certainly wouldnt have the luxury of already having a pretty good relationship with the caps player and coach. given that sloan has barely played this season, im guessing his market value is at an all-time low. if there are some injuries in the playoffs and sloan ends up paying a regular role, his price only goes up. why wait? they’re getting a spare but necessary part for a cheap, cheap deal.
I think a point that’s being missed throughout this thread (not in your comment, per se) is that Sloan isn’t a very good hockey player relative to other NHLers.
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So?
Where do we have these theoretical other NHLers – at Sloan’s pay grade – who we can pick up instantaneously and play at the NHL level?
Carlson? He needs more ice time than he can get here.
Who else are you talking about?
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Skoula and McKee come to mind from this past year. It depends on what you’re looking for from a Dman of course.
Not from this past year.
From right now.
Who would you get instead of Sloan at Sloan’s salary?
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Why does that matter? Sloan’s already signed through June 1.
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You're missing my point...
If we signed Sloan at league minimum, but nobody likes Sloan, and everybody wants to get rid of him, who do you replace him with? Who’s available at his salary who can play both forward and defense, who we could pick up, either off waivers or in a trade with little horrific cost to us?
I maintain that Sloan is a bargain at his cost, and there really isn’t anyone else out there that would fill his role, at his salary, and be available to us.
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The problem is that’s not a role you need filled. He’s not a viable option at D, so anyone you sign as a Dman is an upgrade if you even look at that as a hole to fill. There are other forward options (Bourque for example) that could fill about the same forward role as him.
Why does it have to be both? Need one? Call one up. Need the other? Call him up. Two birds with one stone really is an unnecessary luxury.
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Hard to envision that being really necessary.
And just because you put kittens in the oven doesn’t make ’em biscuits – Sloan is not even an average NHL forward or defenseman.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I’d rather take up two roster spots on people who can adequately play their positions rather than one roster spot on a person who is inadequate in two positions.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Look at this list heading into the summer. Plenty of Sloan-calibre players there.
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youre suggesting the caps should have tried to save around 100k at the risk of getting a player they dont know as well, that his teammates wont know at all, that possibly wont be able to switch to forward w/o causing a problem, and that will have to learn the coach’s system from scratch. i dont think that would be an insane strategy, but im not sure it would have been a particularly good one.
I think there are better free agent forwards than Tyler Sloan. I think there are better free agent defensemen than Tyler Sloan. I do not think that his versatility is worth the drop off in ability. It’s really that simple to me.
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Well, since we’re only talking about this coming season:
Skoula
Foster
Tollefsen (if he’s healthy)
maybe Semenov if he’d sign (he seemed to have a strong preseason)
There are probably some others that might end up buyouts and such.
I mean specifics, for each player. “They’re NHL caliber Dmen?” Why? How? What makes them so much better?
I’m playing Devil’s Advocate here, BTW.
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Its too bad you never got an answer to your question, its a good point.
by DarkHorseCards on Jan 6, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
I point you here for the answer to the question. Plenty of cheap players better than Sloan out there.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
for sure, but that’s not the question. is he a better hockey players on the caps 2009-10 team than other players that would cost approx. 700k. that’s the relevant question, and i’m not sure it’s easy to answer that question in the negative.
obv. s. morrison is a better hockey player than sloan. but the former won’t be on the caps next year and the latter will. same goes for b. morrison, id guess.
The problem is that, in a perfect world, the veteran slot you’re talking about should be filled by Erskine, who’s already under contract for next year.
So now we’re paying $1.75m for two guys who should not play on a regular basis.
Yippee.
I can think of one guy who could step in for Sloan who is cheaper, younger, and knows the system just as well – Sean Collins.
Sloan isn’t a necessary part .
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erskine is signed as 5 or 6, sloan is there to be a d7/extra f swingman. amazingly, the pay grade for those two different positions are pretty well set within the nhl at this point.
the caps made the decision last summer (or probably earlier) to go with sloan over collins. i dont think sloan has done anything this year to make them regret that decision. i dont think it would have been a huge mistake to go with collins, but sloan is bigger and probably tougher as well. given that sloan was up all year in washington and collins was not, i’m not sure it would have made any sense to sign collins instead of sloan at this point.
They only made that decision because Collins would have had to be put on re-entry waivers to play with the Caps, and Sloan didn’t.
which happened bc they decided to sign sloan to a one-way deal and not collins. that was when the decision the made. the re-entry situation you describe is a result of sloan being already up w the team on the one-way.
Is that the EA understanding of one-way, or the actual NHL one-way?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Waivers and one- vs. two-way deals have nothing to do with one another. One- vs. two-way simply determines how much you’re paying a guy if he’s not in the NHL.
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please dude, i know. im saying it was bc sloan was given the one way this season that meant he was (and for all intents and purposes, had to be) up in wash all year. which means the re-entry never came into play for him. apologies if i wasnt clear. i know the cba like the back of my hand, you dont have to explain one-way or two-way or re-entry to me.
ill just further clarigy that my post up about making the decision btwn collins and sloan assumed that collins’ deal expired last year and the caps essentially chose btwn offering sloan and one-way and collins. if collins is still on the same two-way deal as he was on last season, then the specific wording of that previous post changes, but the overall point remains.
Collins is on a one-way deal currently.
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And I’ve seen no indication that McPhee has made any game-day personnel decisions based on how much real money would actually be paid. Salary cap dollars have impacted his decisions, sure. But real dollars? If the team thought Collins was the better choice, he’d be up in Washington and Sloan wouldn’t.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
i agree real money has not been a factor. cap space has. agreed completely. the only problem with bringing collins up is that you have to (at most times) send someone down. if you send sloan down, you cant really ever bring him up again bc of the risk of losing 325k or whatever in capspace for nothing. also, sloan hasnt really done anything wrong.
alright fair enough, so essentially the decision was made in camp. sloan over collins. i think this actually further clarifies the caps thinking. they wanted to get a cheap dman they could sign for the next years and gave themselves two diff options going into camp. whoever they picked in camp was probably going to keep the job for the year (bc of the risk of re-entry to bringing up the guy who lost it in camp). so had the caps picked collins in camp, i think we could be easily announcing his two-year extension right now. and that would make sense i think. but since sloan won the job in camp and didnt lose it during the season, i think it makes alot of sense to sign him now.
i was confused by the caps decision wrt to sloan and collins this summer. it all makes alot more sense now.
i’ll further clarify this by saying that i had assumed that wash would not send a player on a one-way like sloan’s down (which is where re-entry would become an issue). i think this is true.
They’re eating $5.5 million (pro-rated). Don’t think they’d suck it up on $640k?
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I see this Sloan contract as most similar to Keith Aucoin’s. I think the team is one or two injuries away from calling Aucoin up, but hopefully that won’t happen. I’d like to see the rest of the defensive depth improve to the point that they can do the same with Sloan.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve made my point entirely – the marginal difference between having Sloan ride the pine and having Collins ride the pine is so tiny as to be meaningless. Therefore, why commit to a two-year, one-way contract for a guy you can easily replace with someone that you can send right back to Hershey when you’re done with him.
Maybe there is something in Sloan that this organization likes. Maybe they like his skating. Maybe they like his smile. Maybe his milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard? I don’t know, I’m just not seeing it.
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right, my point is (somewhat), say at the time the diff between sloan and colling was marginal (in my opinion it wasnt, i liked sloan much better for a variety of reasons). but say the caps essentially flipped a coin (i dont think they did). then collins would have been up all year, playing sparingly and even being shifted to forward (i dont think he’s fast enough to play forward btw). in that scenario, assuming he didnt do anything to look out of place playing d and f this year, then the caps could have easily signed him to a two year deal at 700k per. that would make sense. bc they knew he could handle a job that he was being paid in accordance with its responsibilities. but, because it was sloan who was given that job this year, he is the player that they now know for sure can handle it. not collins.
Erskine should not be a 5/6 guy. He should not be getting a sweater every night, and neither should Sloan (and I don’t think those two should just be alternating either). Both guys should be a 7th guy who can come in in case of injury, lack of performance, or to give a rest to a bottom pairing guy. The Caps D going forward should not have one of Sloan or Erskine in the lineup every night, in which case why have both? And as bad as Erskine is, he is better than Sloan.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
In Erskine and Sloan they have a #6/7 D and a #7/8 D/ #14F signed for next year. Huzzah.
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i hated the the erskine signing at the time, but w/ s. mo soon gone and w an abundance of solid dmen that wont hit anyone or that arent particulalry useful in scrums (shultz, alzner, pothier, poti), erskine at least brings something to the table that’s lacking on the team.
and i get your sarcasm over the positions of the guys they are signing, but the caps are going to be tight to keep together the roster they have right now. they cannot afford to overspend at any position (see the oilers). i dont think sloan is an overspend for a reliable 7d/14f.
the caps (wisely) have been negotiating with all of their impeding rfa’s contemporaneously.
I have not heard this. I read somewhere that negotiations with Nicky were ongoing but that’s it. However, in the same article it said Semin and the caps were much further apart and now he is signed, and Backs isn’t.
Still haven’t heard anything about Shultz or Flash though…
I’m not sure they might not bring back Pothier and let Poti move on or move Erskine…I know folks will jump on me in disagreement but I just have a hunch Pothier isn’t thought of the same way by managment as some of the posters here think…
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Poti and Erskine are each under contract through next year…
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah…unless something else is brewing, we’re going to have 8 healthy defensemen again on Thursday. I figured Sloan might be out then.
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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 6, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe someone wanted sloan, but only if they knew they could resign him. The only way I can see this working out for GMGM
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I can think of one thing that it does – since he can play either F or D, you only have to take up one roster spot for an injury replacement for both positions. This gives you more flexibility in the roster.
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by gotsparkly on Jan 6, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s why I would think they would get that done before Steckel, Sloan and Semin
by Garyland1177 on Jan 6, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ever multitask? Dude also has a staff of assistants.
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My point is, what if they don’t have enough room left by the time they get to Backstrom. With the cap room we have it doesn’t appear it will be a problem, but I’d rather work around Backs contract then the other way around.
by Garyland1177 on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
These are the easy contracts, though. You don’t want to get Nicky done in March and then have to deal with these guys in a time crunch as the season is coming to an end.
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Yeah. I am just skeptical when we lose a guy like Chris Bourque because of something like 75g’s. Granted that was when we had to deal with Nylander
by Garyland1177 on Jan 6, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
We got him back. He’s no future star player. Maybe future grinder, but that’s nothing special. Plus us losing him meant the Pens had problems for a while. That’s never a bad thing ;)
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A 2 year extension for Sloan is puzzling from his standpoint as well. He’s probably never going to be a permanent starter here and if/when he ever gets waived/claimed by somebody else, he’s stuck there without a choice.
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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 6, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions
We’ll wait and see if it’s one- or two-way. If it’s one-way and you’re a guy with Sloan history, I think you gotta take it.
True that, DMG.
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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 6, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t like giving Steckel such a raise right now. Earlier or later, perhaps, but right now he’s playing the worst hockey of his NHL career. If he gets back to form it’ll be ok, but if not that’s a stinker.
Sloan is what he is. I don’t get giving him an extension, 2 years at least, when he isn’t a regular lineup guy.
He’s winning 61.5% of his faceoffs right now (2nd in the league), so he’s holding up on that end. And that was a big reason he was called up last year.
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by Bettman's Nightmare on Jan 6, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but he went from being our 3rd line C to barely a 4th liner in terms of quality. His salary and his play are moving in opposite directions. Hopefully that gets fixed.
maybe the pressure of performing in a contract season was weighing on him?
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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe he’s a playoff monster that sleeps during the regular season? Guess we’ll find out.
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Oh geez… again with the playoffs…
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I do believe we have a strict dress code on this blog, and your posts are nekkid as a jaybird!
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I actually do think that Steckel, Bradley, Chimera are the kinds of guys who tend to step it up every year in the playoffs, as play locks down and tightens up. Every team needs a few of those kinds of guys to get through the postseason. The Ulf Dahlens of the world.
With that said, I don’t think Steckel is particularly better at that than, say, Bradley.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
No, but having more than one such is a bad thing how? It’s not as if we’re searching for scoring across the lineup.
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No, but having more than one such is a bad thing how? It’s not as if we’re searching for scoring across the lineup.
Huh? This comment didn’t make sense to me at all. Did you think I was saying I don’t like the contract?
Steckel provides the same playoffs offense as Matt Bradley, better defense, and exceptional faceoff abilities all while playing a tougher position. Getting him for 100k more than MattBrad sounds about right to me.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Unless you’d like to be the East Coast San Jose Sharks, yes. :)
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A guy has one decent playoff series and he’s suddenly the second coming of Mike Keane.
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He’s still available! ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Huh? What the hell are you talking about? All I said is that if a guy’s going to pick one place to wake up – reg season or playoffs – I’d rather he wake up in the playoffs all things considered.
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He’s had one, ONE decent playoff series in the NHL. I’m not ready to count on him as a “money” playoff performer just yet.
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Out of two possible? A 50% success rate (granted, small sample) is nothing to sneeze at.
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Out of three (NHL) series.
But he was a big game guy in HER.
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Big games are big games. It’s a mentality you are looking for.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Oh, ok. So you must agree with Drury being on team USA?
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No. But I’m sure as hell pumped for John Carlson. I’d much rather 3/4 of his goals come in the final games than the first two. I love the fact that Neuvirth got hot for the Calder Cup playoffs. Big game performance is something else in itself, and I appreciate guys that do that. Drury hasn’t done shit in years. If he was Drury of Old I’d take him, even if he wasn’t the most talented guy even then.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
But is it fair to say that Steckel hasn’t really proven that quality yet, since he’s only had so many opportunities to do so?
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I like Dave, but honestly, paying him over a million to maybe score some goals in April just isn’t ample justification. The only change in him from last year to this (so far) is that he sucked as a 3C so bad that we got to look at Perreault a little bit.
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You’re paying him for his prowess in the dot. I have no trouble with Stecks deal. I probably won’t have much with Sloan’s if its a two-way deal for around the league minimum. If its one way I’ve got a huge problem.
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You’re also paying him because the current measuring stick in the Converence has two big centers named Malkin and Staal. Can’t have all midgets down the middle.
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Clutch defensive zone faceoffs and decent penalty-killing are worth a million a season. I’d take him in a Pens uniform if we didn’t already have Craig Adams.
It’s only a $375k raise, he’s still going to be making less than Erskine :)
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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 6, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Love the Steckel deal – and not just because I bought a 39 jersey before the year began. Maybe with the knowledge that his spot on the team is secure he’ll relax a bit in the offensive zone and put a few pucks in the net. One can dream…
I think that’s a very valid theory. Stecks had to have been freaking out at least a little bit that he has 5 points in the first half of the season in a contract year.
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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
At $150 a pop, I feel it’s completely logical to hope for a contract extension based on jersey ownership.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Those tall guys always take a few years to figure it out. He’s still adjusting to the growth spurt.
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Steckel is 27. If he hasn’t adjusted to a growth spurt by now he never will.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 6, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I actually like both signings.
Steckel, because he’s a MONSTER in the faceoff dot, and the rest will come with time and with less tight gripping of his stick.
Sloan, because he’s capable of being a solid injury replacement at either forward or defense, and we only have one other guy (Laich) who can reliably do that. I actually like Sloan better at forward than on D, but that’s a personal preference. I don’t have as much of a problem with Sloan as others on the blog do, though. You have to have some guys willing to work for minimum wage in order to keep the big contracts under the salary cap…
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What about Tyler Sloan says “serviceable?”
His 5-on-5 +/-ON/60? No (admittedly, his numbers were better last year).
His 4-on-5 +/-ON/60? No (again, better numbers last year).
Sorry, but I’m having a hard time getting on board with the a) “now” and b) “two-years” part of this deal.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2010 1:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How big is the sample size for that though? And its still (relatively) early in the season.
I think its a move for depth purposes. Perhaps it was cheaper to sign him for two years than one year?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
It’s freaking Tyler Sloan. He’s an AHL veteran. They’re like buses – another will be along in 5 minutes.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 6, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. Nothing he’s done this year justifies “now” or “two-years,” insofar as I can tell.
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Maybe they feel he’s valuable because he’s a known commodity and he knows their system?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Right. Still don’t get the “why now” or the “two years.”
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Didn’t stop them from signing Erskine to a two year deal last year
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Right. And that made no sense then either.
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Erskine on his good days is twice the Dman Sloan is, though, despite the considerable mobility gap. Not to mention he’s the closest thing to an enforcer we have, that’s got to add to the pricetag.
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Have this Sloan
But in Erskine’s case, a “considerable mobility gap” is a pretty big problem for a defenseman, no?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’d much rather have a guy that can skate than a guy who can’t skate when dealing with two relatively similar players
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but Erskine knows how to play D in the NHL; he’s adapted and knows his role. Sloan hasn’t shown he can do that.
That Erskine seems to have forgotten everything right now is a different issue, of course.
I don’t think he’s “forgotten everything” as much as he’s just not athletic enough to cover his mistakes.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
No, there’s definitely something gone very wrong with his decision making process. There’s been a decent number of games where he’s been downright great, it’s just a question of him being able to play within his bounds.
He’s been downright great compared to our expectations for him, not compared to other defesemen in the league. This is pretty important to keep in mind, I think.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Its the proverbial “Giant Douche” vs. “Turd Sandwich” debate.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Vote or die!
"It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 6, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Besides, one of the fringe benefits of having Tyler Sloan is the hope that someday he’ll get enough fans for his own fanbase called The Raging Sloaners
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
This Sloan is OK, too...
Game-Over Green? Canada-Over Carlson!
by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
She was/is Eric’s girlfriend Sloan on “Entourage” — real name is Emmanuelle Chriqui.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2010 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004825/
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite charachter on ENTOURAGE – Sweet! And I like both Caps signingins too!
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously the team brass thinks more of Sloan since he made the opening night roster and the other guys didn’t. I submit it might be another case of we don’t know what the fuck we’re talking about.
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Because they really knew what they were doing when they signed Erskine to a 2-year extension worth over a million/year. And when they signed Nylander to a . . . or Poti. . . or . . .
This team hands out some dumb contracts.
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Well…there’s dumb and then there’s Bob Gainey Dumb and Glen Sather Dumb. I’m glad we’re not at that level of dumb.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True. But given the money this team is going to have to pony up to keep the Ovie-Semin-Backis-Laich-Green-Alzner-Carlson core together, they’re going to have to be more “Ken Holland-Smart.”
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by D'ohboy on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But is Ken Holland really all that “smart”? Other than a couple home runs in the last rounds of the draft, they haven’t drafted anyone decent in the first round since Kronwall in 2000. They were able to build a pretty good team in the pre-lockout days and through trades that’s kinda lasted up until now, but is starting to fall apart pretty quickly under some pretty specious deals.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’d actually rather be Lou smart than Ken smart. Lou has pulled more crap out of his rear than Ken has and for longer. Everyone who works as a GM long enough is going to make a bad deal or two. The same goes for draft picks. It’s how many hits vs misses that is important.
A man gotta have a code
Agreed. Lou does more with less than any GM in the league.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
As an Avs fan who watched my team, which was younger than the Wings at the time, disintegrate, while the Wings managed to replace guys like Yzerman, and Shanahan with Zetterberg, Datsyuk and Franzen, I’d say he’s doing a pretty damn good job.
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That’s because Hakan Andersson is a genius.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
So… the Nylander signing snark – how’s that relevant, when he was signed the world here was entirely different…
So … Poti, the #2 TOI guy who does penalty kills, second PP unit at $3.5M is a bad deal relevant to other available DMen or comparable 3.5M Dment arund?
Erskine a D-Men who has “grit” and has some pretty good nights at $1.25M is a bad deal? Okay, they probably could have gotten him for $250K less a year but what’s the point of doing that … really…
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Do I have to go through the whole, “I thought the Nylander contract was stupid t time…” thing again?
There’s a rule in pretty much every sport – don’t give NMCs to players in their mid-30s. You come to regret it every time. The world was exactly the same in that regard back in 2007.
Poti leads the team in PK time. The PK is the team’s biggest weakness. Poti actually gets very little PP time. The PP is pretty damn good. Obviously this isn’t all down to Poti but…
As for replacements – Wisniewski in Anaheim makes less, but I’m not certain he’s a significant upgrade. Derek Morris makes less and I’d prefer him to Poti. Andrew Ference makes Erskine money and I’d certainly take him over Poti, to say nothing of Erskine. Tallinder and Lydman are both cheaper. Tim Gleason makes $2.75 and I’d take him in a nanosecond over Poti. Cam Barker makes $3.08, same deal. Adam Foote makes less and is still a better penalty-killer and better leader. Fedor Tyutin and Rusty Klesla both make less and are both better than Poti.
Do you notice a pattern? I’m just going alphabetically through the NHL – I’ve found about 10 guys (9 if you don’t count Wisniewski) that are better than, or at least good replacements for Poti at less money. I’m stopping for both our sakes, because the list could get quite long.
As for Erskine, he’s a fine #7 defenseman. Howerver, a salary structure like the Caps have, where lots of money is tied up in a very small number of players cannot, and certainly will not, be able to afford the luxury of having a $1.25m #7D. If these last two years haven’t taught you the value of even seemingly infinitesimal bits of cap space, you haven’t been paying attention.
There’s another team in the NHL with a salary structure like ours – the Pens. They’ve got Jay McKee and Marty Skoula signed for a grand total of $1.375, or a little more than Erskine makes by himself. That’s how you ice a decent team while paying your star players. It’s something the Caps are going to have to learn soon once Backstrom, Carlson, Varly, Alzner, Neuvy, Flash and Semin come back looking for their new deals.
All that space we freed up when we moved Nyls? Gone. Theo’s cap space will just pay for Backstrom’s raise if we’re lucky. Fehr, Fleischmann and Schultz are all due raises… It’ll add up quickly.
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God how I loathe the bus. I’ve had to take it the last couple of days instead of my bike. So annoying.
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Hear hear. Whenever i’ve got to go in the city, I take the Metro
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yesterday, while standing at a bus stop full of people, I had bus go right by me. We all started waving and screaming, but he just kept on truckin’. Gotta love Metro.
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So they signed Steckel for 1/50th of the salary cap? I’m on board. He’s definitely more than 2% of this team.
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$5 says the Sloan deal is a two year NHL league minimum (or near it) one-way contract.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
(this is a much better bet for someone to accept, since you’ll know the result today. The Pothier bet probably won’t be resolved until the offseason)
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
You’re throwing a lot of foot-long subs around today, eh?
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Funny, my wife pointed out the same thing to me last night…
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What a ham
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
And you’re a turkey for prolonging it. I should club you over the head.
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I bread the moment this started
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
It’s a little cheese-y, but I guess we’ve got a steak in it now.
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Starting to get a little peppered here
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
It might help. I think i’ve been loafing as of late
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think any of this is going to pump-ernickel up the page views on this site any
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’re starting to sow some oats here
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’m trying to keep from being salty.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve been trying to ranch out for a while
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
This was a Gouda thread, but I don’t give Edam any more.
by bigeugene on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unrelated, Pierre McGuire is due to release his muenster list today
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Three cheese. Hip hip cheddaahhhh! Hip hip cheddahhhh! Hip hip cheddaaaaahhhh!
I need a snappy signature...
I don’t have enough cheddar to keep up with all this
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Can you guys stop this already? I camembert it any longer.
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I neufchatel this would happen
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Never! Lettuce fight till the death!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hey...
I gotta look at something else for a while; my head’s gonna asplode… drop me an e-mail at my handle {at} gmail {dot} com!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Waiter! This sub sinks!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
i attribute the humor direction of japers’ rink to jordan and yvon….and i don’t mind it one bit.
by Natty Bumppo on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m thinking more Clymer. But similar – GMGM prefers the devil he knows, and sometimes that works out (Brads, for example). Sometimes it doesn’t.
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by J.P. on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for indirectly mentioning the Todd Snider album
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Rebuild
So let me get this straight – we went to all the trouble of selling off every decent player on the team after 2003 for a few years so that we could stockpile draft picks and talented prospects.
Check – our team is talented and our farm system is stacked.
So now we’re re-signing older marginal NHL players to multi-year contracts so that they can block the progress of those talented young players that we went to all that trouble to acquire? Seriously? We shuffled Sami Lepisto off to Phoenix so we could keep guys like Erskine and Sloan?
I don’t understand this organization’s infatuation with certain players. I would say that the amounts being discussed aren’t worth getting in a tizzy about, but this is a team that just sent Alzner down to Hershey for a day to save $9k, and that lost a prospect to waivers because of a piddling $75k. Even small amounts matter.
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so that they can block the progress of those talented young players that we went to all that trouble to acquire?
What makes you think Sloan’s going to block Carlson?
If Carlson can’t convincingly outplay Sloan, maybe he needs a little more time in the “A”. Once again, I don’t see depth as a bad thing. Sloan and Laing aren’t the kinds of guys who block anyone. Re-signing Sloan makes no difference to the status of the Alzners and Carlsons and Orlovs of the world.
And the team pitched Lepisto because he was completely unable to play NHL caliber hockey his last year in the organization. If he’s figured it out in Phoenix, good for him.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Money is more likely to block Carlson than Sloan is.
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And you can’t sign a guy in the NHL for less than the league minimum. So if I’m right, and they rewarded Sloan for being a good soldier by guaranteeing him NHL league minimum for a couple of years, then that money can’t possibly block Carlson, right?
In SABRmetrics terms, the Caps signed a replacement-level player for a league minimum contract because he’s a nice guy and compatible with the system. Not a good or bad deal. Just a back-end filler.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well, it can block Carlson, partially. If, for example, Carlson’s at ~$850k and Sloan’s at ~$650k and the Caps are $200k under the cap, Sloan’s blocking Carlson. But that’s an unlikely scenario and one that would be quickly resolved in all likelihood.
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Except Sloan is replaceable by guys on two-way contracts that can be sent down to Hershey. Why commit NHL-cap space to what is, essentially, Bryan Helmer/Lawrence Nycholat/Jamie Heward?
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Well…if you can keep sending him back and you lose him on waivers, it doesn’t really hurt
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
GOD – couldn’t agree more, the only reason not to sign Sloan for a league minimum one way contract for a year or two was if you thought you’d end up having an issue caused by the number of available contracts (50) for some reason.
Also I think Sloan still could be capable of being an NHL Caliber 5 or 6 D-Men or 11 or 12 Fwd every night…. so where’s the downside for his $$$ salary?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
You think a 28-year old who has bounced around the ECHL and AHL for most of his career is just going to suddenly “figure it out” now?
Sloan can skate, I’ll give him that. I can buy him as a cheap checking line wing who can occasionally play defense in a pinch. #5/6. . . not so much.
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Never said word one about Carlson. If the team wants Carlson up here and that means jettisoning Sloan, I have to imagine that they do it. If not, we’ve got bigger problems.
Lepisto was completely unable to play NHL hockey last year to be sure. But he was an excellent AHL player and only 24 years old. Sloan also can’t play NHL-caliber hockey, is a middling AHL player and is older by three years and more expensive.
Because of the top-heavy nature of the Caps’ roster, they’re going to have to scrimp on their role players. There are two ways of doing this: bring in cost-controlled younger players, or use marginal veterans who are happy just to have a one-way contract. The Caps have a TON of cost-controlled younger players – why use less-talented marginal guys like Sloan and Erskine? Even if you do have them on the team, why commit to them for more than one year? I would get it if the Caps’ organization were bereft of talent, but it’s not.
This is kinda like going cruising in your Corolla and leaving your Camaro back in the garage, simply because the Corolla gets a little better mileage.
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by D'ohboy on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he was an excellent AHL player and only 24 years old.
I think Lepisto had a pretty poor year in the “A” last year, so that’s another reason he’s gone.
The Caps have a TON of cost-controlled younger players – why use less-talented marginal guys like Sloan and Erskine?
Who? I like Wilson and Perreault, but I don’t think they’re ready for prime time. Osala ain’t even ready for his cup of coffee, and seems to have regressed a bit this year. Andrew Gordon is alright, and there’s always Chris Bourque.
I can’t think of any cost-controlled younger defensemen, other than Alzner and Carlson — that’s why I assumed you were talking about blocking Carlson. Seems to me the Caps are stuck using a few marginal veterans happy with one-way contracts (Laing, Sloan, Aucoin, Collins).
Ain’t nothing wrong with a Corolla. It gets you where you need to go.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are all wrong, btw, on “why” on Sloan. The answer, of course, is b/c he’s one of Bruce’s guys.
Expect the 13-year Laing extension soon…
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Then this will happen to my head
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by D'ohboy on Jan 6, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if Sloan resigned for very low money for 2 more years, does that make him more or less valuable in a trade?
He didn’t have much value anyway. In the words of the immortal Dennis Green, he was who we thought he was.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Equally, which is to say, no value whatsoever. Sloan is a dime a dozen AHLer, with the only unique thing about him being his wheels. He’s the type you might grab off waivers if you had a real injury bug, but you don’t trade for him. He’s not even particularly good in the AHL, so it’s not like a team might trade for him to help bolster their farm club.
No, there’s a slight uptick in his trade value b/c there’s cost-certainty on him. But it’s still low, obviously.
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But is the extra year added value for such a utility role? It seems like it’d be close to canceling out the cost certainty to me.
Perhaps. Which brings us back to square one – if this move doesn’t increase his external value, does it really justify the internal cost?
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I can see it from GMGM’s perspective, if you accept the theory that this has waiver-implications (easier to sneak through).
I disagree with (what I perceive to be) that perspective that that’s an issue worth our trouble in the first place, but then here we are.
if you accept the theory that this has waiver-implications (easier to sneak through).
This makes some sense to me. This contract might actually make it more likely that Sloan clears waivers when he has to be sent down.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting...
Some are arguing the 2 year extension makes it less likely Sloan gets plucked off waivers, others argue that it adds value because of cost certainty.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
Bang on. Sloan is a Bruce guy, period. Also, given the timing of the losing streak coinciding with the Clark/Jurcina trade, I’d venture the organization decided to throw money at the team to try and get them to play better. Maybe the lockerroom just needed a “show me the love by padding my wallet” kind of koombya moment. If that makes sense…
by ThreePingPost on Jan 6, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Does Paul Holmgren get a kiss for trading us that pick for Stunning Steve Eminger?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
He’s not even particularly good in the AHL
I believe the Calder Cup champion Hershey Bears would disagree with you there.
Jeez, I’m amazed at all this consternation over Tyler Sloan. He’s a marginal NHL talent who happens to be a really good guy (in the room and in public) and really coachable. Sure, players like him are a dime a dozen, but human beings like him aren’t. So what’s the problem with giving him a contract extension and hoping he spends most of it in Hershey or as a healthy scratch?
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 1:57 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
THANK you. :-)
Totally agreed on all points. Sloan was VERY good last year in the Calder Cup run. So he’s marginal at the NHL level. So what? We NEED some less-expensive players to balance the big guys out under the salary cap.
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At least we’re not paying him Nylander dollars?
Relatively speaking, Sloan is quite the bargain, IMO.
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I miss Dean Arsene
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want to pay a guy just to ride the pine.
They are always going to pay some guys to ride the pine – that’s why they are allowed to have 50 guys under contract… so what’s your real beef?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions