Whither Gabby?
Let me preface this by saying I’ve got much love and admiration for Bruce Boudreau. He’s a great quote, a helluva pitchman, and from what we’ve heard, very good with and for the players he coaches. But putting this together in the time that I did was certainly inspired by the spirit of Michael Arace's quote, "a losing streak can skew long-term perspective."
But in between promising players for being "out to lunch" in some circumstances while occasionally reducing ice time to more valuable ones (or flat out Freebird solo-length shifts to the team’s elite players), the meme of accountability has been a drum that has been covered in various degrees of depth here before. But as time goes on, just how legitimate a concern is this? Or more to the point, combined with the increasing expectations for success in modern sports, are we starting to stroll into the area of discussion on what to do with the coach who’s had the Crash Davis life before making it big?
Consider this for a moment; Bruce Boudreau, who is still on his first pot of coffee in terms of NHL management experience, is already the 8th highest tenured coach in the league with his current team at only 184 games (Ed. note: before Tuesday night's game vs. Montreal), 21 games behind Bruins’ coach Claude Julien. Blue Jackets coach Ken Hitchcock is in 5th at 269 games, But Hitchcock is struggling to stay at .500 with Columbus, and conversations around his dismissal may have begun. No such talk surrounds Boudreau and Julien currently; in fact, the only coach with both a higher winning percentage and experience with his current club than Boudreau is Mike Babcock. Pretty cool, but leads me to a larger discussion.
After leaving Anaheim, Babcock took over the Wings coaching duties in ’05-’06, and after two years of postseason progression, won the Cup in ’07-08 in his third year with Detroit. Babcock took over for Dave Lewis, who produced consecutive 100 point seasons (and Conference Quarter/Semi Final exits). Babcock replaced Lewis, established a system with an already solid team and improved on their results, presumably using his previous coaching experience and tweaking an already established system that works well for the Wings. But other recent teams have experienced similar results. Consider:
In ’06-’07, Randy Carlyle took over the Ducks and won the Cup, beating Bryan Murray’s Senators. Murray had previous experience and, both coaches were in their second year with their team.
In ’05-’06, previously experienced coach Peter Laviolette won the Cup with the Canes in his first full year with the club, defeating Oiler for life Craig MacTavish, who reached the finals in his fifth year with the team.
In ’03-’04, John Tortorella and the Lightning beat Darryl Sutter’s Flames. Sutter was in his first full season coaching the Flames, Tortorella in his third full year with the ‘Ning.
In ’02-’03, Pat Burns’ Devils beat Babcock’s Ducks squad. Both coaches were in their first year with the club, and Burns' Jersey stop wasn't his first on the coaching carousel.
Is there a trend to gleam here? Well, many of the recent coaches had previous head coaching experience before bringing the Cup home. Those who didn’t ? Well, the experience took a little longer. If a rookie coach with his first team doesn’t get to the final in his first year or two, he occasionally gets to the Final in his third full year with the club, if at all (unless you’re Torts). In fact, the last coach to win a Cup that took longer than four full years to do it with one team? Al Arbour with the Islanders' dynasty.
While Bruce Boudeau is 8th in tenure with one team, when it comes to first-time pro coaches, only three have spent longer times with their club. Carlyle is one; the other two are Barry Trotz and Lindy Ruff. Carlyle has his ring has a coach, but it’s anyone’s guess when Trotz and Ruff are going to get a chance for one, let alone hold the Cup high. And as recent coaching history would lead one to conclude, it’s one thing to get to the bigs and wow people when you’re here. Wowing them to the point where you have job security is another matter. Evolution and development as a coach can make the difference in being Mike Babcock or Terry Murray.
Bruce Boudreau’s success is both enjoyable and rewarding, and a nicer guy we may never experience as fans of the franchise. But never forget that the goal for all of us, is seeing a parade on Constitution Avenue in June. Progress has to be built on the previous two postseasons. And if this town’s boss is about "change you can believe in," change may be an unfortunate yet legitimate discussion to have if this isn't realized.
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On XM today they had a stat that said of the last 20 cup winners, very few (or zero, I forget) of the cup winning coaches were beyond their fourth year with the winning team.
So if you can’t win it in four, you’re probably not going to. Pretty interesting.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
If you don’t win in 4 you most likely don’t have a job anymore.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Which, by the way, is dumb. Stick in one job long enough, and bad luck is bound to stack up to create a bad year at some point. John Stevens is a classic example of a desperation fire — that’s a good coach, and he wasn’t the problem in Philly.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Or you’re Lindy Ruff.
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by J.P. on Jan 7, 2010 6:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The difference in their cases they have long term GM’s and ownership who like them and understand the constraints they have been forced to coach under.
A man gotta have a code
the most important thing for me is how well BB’s system meshes with the current crop of players. with green and carlson hopefully sticking in washington for a long long time, i’d be worried about a drop-off in our overall game if GMGM decided we needed a different style coach (more of a taskmaster) or a different system (more of a defensive system, or one with less freedom for offensive blueliners). it’s hard to argue with holding players accountable, and there plenty of reasons to find fault with BB. i agree this is a conversation that will be had in the front office if the caps fall short again this year. but the fear of the unknown would worry me greatly if a coaching change ever did transpire.
I don’t think the style of play will change but I could definitely see a more hard-line coach come in.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
I don’t think a lot of those teams were built for long term like this Caps team is. They also didn’t have the best player in the world locked up for the next 12 years.
It would take some serious regression before BB was in jeopardy or if he somehow just lost the team, which I really can’t fathom given the nature of how they are all growing up together.
/cheese
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
–Wither – verb
1. to shrivel; fade; decay: The grapes had withered on the vine.
2. to lose the freshness of youth, as from age (often fol. by away).
Whither – adverb
1. to what place? where?
2. to what end, point, action, or the like? to what?
If you ask Sean Avery, it’s going to take a hell of a lot to wither Bruce Boudreau.
Sorry BP, but I just couldn’t help myself
Atta dinnin stick a who!
No worries, when you draft it a couple days before publishing, things get missed, nay, withered if you will.
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
Could always edit now to try to hide your shame.
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I guess you got the links working in the FanPost editor. Nice work BP.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 7, 2010 8:21 AM EST reply actions
Was Mike Keenan mentioned anywhere here? He’s won a couple of Cups; the Rangers one was his only year there. But, he’s an anomaly because he seems to be a world class asshole.
I only stuck to around (before and after) the lockout, though I did peek at some previous years (note: Bowman purposely excluded):
‘00-’01: Bob Hartley (3rd yr. with Avs, 1st coaching stint in league) over Larry Robinson (2nd year with NJ, 2nd coaching stint)
‘99-’00: Robinson (1st, 2nd) over Ken Hitchcock (5th year, 1st)
‘98-’97: Hitchcock (4th, 1st) over Lindy Ruff (2nd, 1st)
‘95-’96: Marc Crawford (2nd, 1st) over Doug MacLean (1st, 1st)
Keenan’s only got one Cup, the Rangers win was his first and only year there, he got to the finals with the Blackhawks (2nd stint, 4th year) and Flyers (1st and 3rd years in his rookie tour)
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
That second paragraph makes almost no sense
Sure it’s has words and complete sentences and everything but, I’ve read that first sentence a few times and still don’t know what it’s trying to say. Also, what does, “a drum that has been covered in various degrees of depth” mean?
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We’ve talked about accountability before here. Sometimes in depth, sometimes not so much. Would help if, you know, you came here with a little more regularity.
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
I get what you were trying to say
but the words on the page didn’t exactly say what I think you meant to imply.
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what I think you meant to imply
Well, what did you infer?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 8, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Something, something about
Promising players lunch, the tonality of drums covered with various degrees of hide thickness, and weather minor league catchers make good hockey coaches.
Not to put too fine a point on this or nitpick any further, it’s was just an oddly written paragraph.
/style council.
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Duly noted. That and a need to get overly wordy are crutches I lean on sometimes.
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
I share that same problem.
I was recently asked to write film reviews for a local rag here in L.A. and my first drafts were too long and filled with sentences and overly wordy flourishes that didn’t add to the piece. Having and editor, for the first time in my life, give feedback/ butcher my masterpiece really helped. Also, a writer friend advised me to keep to shorter declarative statements. I’m generally unable to do that, but it helped keep me focused on precisely on I wanted to say. That’s why that paragraph stood out for me. Hope it was taken in the spirit it was offered.
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Very much so, I should just not respond to things before 7am and without a Red Bull.
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 8, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think that given how GMGM operates BB probably is safe for a while. I don’t think I’d give him the same security. In this thread it seems that people think BB keeps his job unless the team regresses. I think that’s too much freedom. If he doesn’t start addressing some of the deficiencies he should be let go for someone that can. I don’t think that time is now, but I do think GMGM should be looking at the weaknesses on this team and evaluating what BB is doing to overcome them.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
And the guidance from above is crucial too. I don’t think Leonsis would ever interfere with McPhee hiring or firing a coach, but he sets a tone of loyalty.
One day Boudreau and the team will go through some serious adversity. The adversity will make Boudreau a stronger coach. I really hope the Caps don’t cut him loose just as he’s learning some important lessons (I’m not suggesting he’s inexperienced — just that people constantly improve with experience). I keep coming back to John Stephens — do you think he’s a better coach now or when he started in the NHL?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 8, 2010 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Stevens, I think (unless he takes a crappy 2nd gig) he’ll do OK. The Flyers record gradually improved before stumbling this year, and he was 13-11-1 when he got canned. If Hitch goes, they could bring him in and the initial part might be rough, but I could see them do well under him.
Re: Gabby and adversity, combining this and bot’s post below (along with a Happy Hour discussion I had with a friend), I think if he doesn’t get past round 2 then you have to ask those questions longer than the “what happened?” moratorium would allow. I’d presume there’s not going to be much turnover next year, and there would be more addition by subtraction (ShaMo and Theodore’s expiring contracts) occuring than anything. Honestly, I think that if he doesn’t get at least a Finals birth this year or next, that’s as good as we’ll see under this coach.
"I know it holds 17 1/2 beers."
This is not the best team the Caps will put together this decade.
I actually don’t think this is the year they win the Cup. And I do think they’ll win the Cup within the next few years.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 9, 2010 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
When Schultz has 300 games and Carlson and Alzner are established in the NHL is when this team is really going to be scary to play against. As long as we don’t see all three young goalies crap out we should be fine in net.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
I think you’re right that the experience probably made Stevens a better coach, but it also points to another fact. Coaches get stale. Stevens didn’t become a bad coach, and those players didn’t become bad players. They just stopped performing on ice and nothing he said or did could change that. I fully expect that to happen with BB one day. I just hope it’s not for a while and it’s after a Cup. Maybe he goes all Lindy Ruff on us. It would be nice, but it’s highly unlikely.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Great work, BP, and kudos for taking on a topic that few if any in the MSM would touch in a million years, based upon his 2 : 1 W/L ratio.
I think Bruce will come to a crossroads this spring—as for some players, how much to invest long term for the coach will reveal itself in this year’s playoffs. If we get bounced in the first or second round, particularly with home ice*, I could easily see GMGM cut bait. The again, if George can’t a package together around 8 that wins, well…that’s another fanpost.
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