Trade (Rumor) Winds Blowing Eastward
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 11:31 AM EST
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Last week we used Spector's roundup of potential Western Conference trade bait as a launching point for a more Capitals-specific discussion on what the team could use going forward, what they should be willing to give up, and which players specifically they might (or should) have their eye on. Today we thought it'd be worth taking a look at the players on Spector's Eastern Conference list (which actually predates his Western Conference one) and whether or not they're guys worth pursuing.
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Why we like him: Lehtonen's good. Really good. And he's been really good despite playing in a (generally) poor environment in Atlanta, a team that has only had two winning seasons and four playoff games in the last ten years and routinely let their keeper get pounded with a ton of shots - and not easy ones either.
Why we don't: The Capitals already have a young, talented keeper with durability questions. The one year the Thrashers made the playoffs Lehtonen posted a 5.59 goals against average and .849 save percentage in two games before being benched in favor of Johan Hedberg.
Why we like him: Ference is capable in most facets of the game, including in his own end. He also throws his weight around and is an ornery presence in front of his own net. He's probably most famous for punching Sidney Crosby.
Why we don't: He's essentially a passable depth option on defense, somewhat prone to mistakes and with little offensive upside. These are the kinds of guys the Capitals have been trying to move all season, so why acquire one?
Why we like him: He's not flashy by any stretch, but having a stable of "not flashy" to eat up minutes and provide support for the stars is what Stanley Cup Champions are made of, especially when the "not flashy" guys as defensively capable as Tallinder. He's cheap and his contract expires at the end of this season, giving the Caps financial flexibility both this year and next.
Why we don't: Buffalo's having trouble scoring goals this season, their powerplay is mediocre at best, and team has largely been carried by Ryan Miller. In other words, odds are the Sabres are going to be looking for NHL-caliber players, and the Caps' best trade bait is in the form of picks and prospects.
Why we like him: He's a solid offensive player and, even with the high-end talent the Capitals have, it's always nice to have secondary scoring. His combination of skill and speed makes him a potential candidate to play alongside Alex Ovechkin, which would free Alexander Semin up to be the offensive dynamo on the second line.
Why we don't: The Caps have a pretty good number of depth-level scoring wings as it is, making it less of a priority than upgrading the blue line or perhaps adding another center.
Why we like him: Realistically, the Capitals blue line could use an upgrade in terms of skating and puck movement, and Leopold would bring that. The cap hit is small, and since Leopold's an unrestricted free agent this summer, the Panthers will almost have to move him, barring a run at a playoff spot.
Why we don't: While Leopold brings some of the skills the Caps are probably looking for in a defensemen, he by no means brings all of them. Simply put, George McPhee's going to be placing a higher premium on defense than offense if he makes any moves on the back end, so Leopold's not going to be his first choice.
Why we like him: He's good, he's young, he's cost-controlled, and he has shown he has the mental strength to playing Montreal and has stayed sharp even as a backup.
Why we don't: The Caps already have several young goalies, and if the Canadiens deal Halak they'll probably want NHL players in return. It's just not a good match.
Why we like him: He's solid defensively, he moves the puck well, and his salary cap hit isn't sizable enough to prevent McPhee from making other moves.
Why we don't: Martin broke his arm back in October, and it's unclear how much playing he's going to see before the trade deadline. Plus, if you're making a move for Martin, a big part of what you're paying for is his offensive ability, but with Alexander Ovechkin and Mike Green manning the points for the majority of Washington's powerplay time and the team not getting their defensemen all that involved 5-on-5, the team might be paying for a skill set they're not going to be able to maximize.
Why we like him: He's a veteran who has shown that he can be productive in - and just as importantly, is willing to accept - any role on the team.
Why we don't: Picking up Biron only makes sense if the Capitals can move Jose Theodore, which makes his potential acquisition difficult from a logistical standpoint.
Why we like him: Higgins has shown that he can produce at the NHL level, having scored more than twenty goals three times. His speed is a good match for the up tempo Caps, his versatility would be a bonus for a coach who likes to juggle lines, and he's defensively responsible.
Why we don't: Despite what he's done is years past, Higgins has just 17 goals in 78 games since the start of the 2008-09 season. As we mentioned when discussing Phoenix's Peter Mueller, reclamation projects aren't the kind of players Stanley Cup contenders pursue at the trade deadline.
Why we like him: Campoli has good natural speed and offensive instincts from the blue line, and would be effective in getting the puck up to the Caps most dangerous players
Why we don't: The Capitals already have Brian Pothier.
Why we like him: He's David Steckel with offensive upside: good size down the middle, wins faceoffs (though not at the rate Steckel does), kills penalties, and plays well in his own end. He's demonstrated great goal scoring potential for a center, and isn't too shabby in the playmaking department either.
Why we don't: $5,000,000 is a substantial enough cap hit that it probably affects the team's personnel decisions for next season. Carter's 46 goals and 84 points in 2008-09 were impressive, but he has yet to prove can consistently produce at that level in the NHL. His career playoff production is significantly below his regular season production and he was a complete non-factor last year.
Why we like him: Talbot's a solid role player with a little offensive upside who can also kill penalties. He's willing to do whatever it takes to help his team, even if it means getting beaten up by Dan Carcillo.
Why we don't: Talbot would probably be an upgrade over Matt Bradley (The Professor's production season to this point notwithstanding), but probably not enough of an upgrade to be worth pursuing.
Why we like him: He's a defenseman and defensemen are good to have...I guess.
Why we don't: If the Capitals want to dress a marginal NHL talent on the blue line, they don't need to go outside the organization to do it.
Why we like him: He was once upon a time a twenty-five goal, fifty point guy while in St. Louis. His offense has dipped (as, generally, has the quality of his teammates) in recent years but he's a still a pretty quick player with good offensive instincts who can provide depth as a scoring threat for a good team. Plus his acquisition might get Tomas Fleischmann off the penalty kill.
Why we don't: His skill set is somewhat redundant on the Capitals, and his acquisition might just make things more difficult personnel-wise by adding one more guy to the mix.
Once again, we ask you: Of these players who should the Capitals be looking at? And, just as importantly, what should they be willing to give up?
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Lee Stempniak
Please place one Alex Semin in a box at 40 Bay St.
Please and thank you.
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Replace Semin with Jeff Schultz and you have a deal ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It was a joke ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Only on OFB.
Finley for Kovalchuk!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I’m amazed by the number of people around me who still want to get rid of Schultz.
No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.
There was a guy in our box ripping him last night…I thought my wife was going to pummel him
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome to my world. There is this noob who sits directly behind me who thinks he invented the game and is as leather-lunged a whiner as I’ve ever seen. From the drop of the puck to the horn at the end of the game, he is engaged in non-stop bitch mode with no off switch. The Caps could be up 6-2 or be getting blown out, and he’ll whine about any player wearing a red jersey.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Kovalchuk’s great, but how does that help with what we really need? I think the offense is fine with what we have.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Would make the offense absolutely overpowering. And would be fun to watch OV and Kovy on the same team. How could the power play not score every time? (Of course, our powerplay would find a way…)
But it’s already overpowering. Its like already having a giant supersoaker with like 7 water tanks, and just adding another water tank onto it.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Not to mention, they’d probably want a lot back for him, and there’s zero chance he comes back here next year
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a given that he’d be gone, given the cap hit. I think the bigger question is what the Caps would have to give up. Waddell’s going to look for a deal similar to what he got for Hossa two years ago, so he’ll want at least a second/third-liner and one or two solid prospects/picks.
I could see a deal of Laich, Osala, and a first-rounder. But it’s not going to happen because Chicago’s offering Versteeg in a package. Kovalchuk’s going to the Hawks or the Kings, who may package Brayden Schenn.
ATL better get more back than they got for Hossa. Rental or not they need to significantly rebuild the team with this trade.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh hit a home run with that deal though, Christiansen and Armstrong never worked out, and Esposito was probably a bust BEFORE Pittsburgh dealt him. I just can’t imagine Waddell being that stupid again.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hell…the Kings are so loaded with top notch prospects they can get away with dealing a lot more than anybody.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
If the Caps so desired, there’s not a team in the league that could offer a single player as good as Semin in the deal. Better package? Perhaps, but ATL would still have pressure to keep current success, with or without Kovy. Would the Caps do it? Doesn’t seem like GMGM’s style, but…
And keeping Kovy wouldn’t be impossible, it’d just be a really bad idea. He’d basically be Semin + Flash in terms of dollars.
With how tight the Cap already is, lots of younger players coming out of RFA status, and the fact that the Cap could come down, I just don’t think it’d be a good idea to sign a guy like Kovalchuk to the huge deal that he’s obviously going to command on the market. Maybe you can get a Hossa-Red Wings type deal out of him, but I can’t see him taking a risk like that during his peak years.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt. It’d be possible, but you’d probably have to end up trading him after a year or two.
It’d be hella fun for that first season or two, though.
I’d hope with a lineup like that, that’s all we’d need.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not overpowering enough. If everyone else’s supersoaker has 5 or 6 tanks, adding another to your 7-tanker is not a bad idea. It’s building on our strength.
But if you add two many tanks, eventually the supersoaker is too heavy to carry around easily. You have to to find the right balance.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 6, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. You’re not going to win the Cup by simply outscoring anybody
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Outscoring the opposition is exactly how you win the cup.
I don’t think the Capitals have any realistic shot at getting Kovalchuk in a trade that makes sense for them, but I don’t think there’s any way to argue they wouldn’t be a better team if he were playing for them because he’s really, really good.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Someone on another forum came up with a good point: Kovy to the Caps would be loading up, making them elite in the area they’re strongest.
Their choices are either to go that direction, or to sacrifice something offensively to try to be better defensively (outside of marginal improvements in those areas I mean). One gives you an elite, one dimensional team. The other is either balanced or watered down, and the trick is to figuring out which it would end up being. Increasing their strengths to such a degree might be their best shot at the Cup. Balance might not be achievable. Either way could blow up.
by brs03 on Jan 6, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is indeed a good point. I vote balance, FWIW.
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t mean that literally…I meant it more in the sense of you can’t win Stanley Cups by trying to win games 6-5 every night. There’s just no better way to say it than the other way.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
The point should be that the marginal benefit to the Caps of adding Kovalchuk is less than the marginal benefit of adding a defenseman, while at the same time, the marginal cost of adding Kovalchuk is higher than that of adding a defenseman, since Kovy would likely demand more in trade than Niedermayer or similar options.
Still sore...
But that’s probably something too difficult to completely support (obviously it can’t really be quantified).
It could be that the extra “oomph” from Kovy pushes the team over the top, whereas refocusing by adding a good/great Dman only lessens the team’s specific strengths.
And in no way do I mean to suggest that it’s the wisest course of action.
I don’t think that it’s balance that’s unachievable, it’s just that it’s unachievable right now. We’ll have balance in about 4 years with Karlzner and perhaps Orlov rounding out our top 5.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
DMG I Agree But ...
The reason I don’t think the Caps would be able to get Kovy, even as a rental is that “incrementally” his value and positive impact to other teams that will be in the playoff hunt or playoff bound that don’t already have the firepower the Caps have, for example the Rangers, or Bruins, etc. is so much more that to the Caps right now, GMGM would likey quickly get “outbid.”
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I said “I don’t think the Capitals have any realistic shot at getting Kovalchuk in a trade that makes sense for them”
by David M. Getz on Jan 7, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
But what if you had 6 rockets on your rocket car, but it couldn’t break the speed of sound. Yeah, it’s really really really fast, but if you add one more rocket, you could break the freakin’ sound barrier!
In conclusion, I’d like to have a rocket car…..
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I’d rather have a gold house with that rocket car
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kovalchuk’s great, but how does that help with what we really need?
Because it doesn’t matter if we get 4 goals a game scored against us if we can score 40 goals a game ourselves :)
Absolutely. There is nobody on that list that even seems interesting let alone someone I would pull the trigger on.
Ostensibly because he’s a pending UFA and Tyler Myers’ emergence has made him less valuable to the team. In reality (in my opinion), because Spector needed someone to list for Buffalo.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
But in 2nd in the East I don’t see them as sellers. I agree that this list is underwhelming compared to the West list.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
I could see a scorer for Tallinder. hell, Flash would be a good addition to their current corps.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
let's be Fehr about this.
16 is going to score 45 points for someone (else) someday, eating second-line minutes between IR stints. I’ve tried and tried to see something in him that BB doesn’t, but I’m about to take a seat in the Fehr Trade lobby.
I suggest Flash simply because I think they’d be more likely to accept that deal. Maybe even 1-for-1, depending on his now-through-the-deadline play.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 6, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Can we call it the Fehr Trade Coffeehouse instead of Lobby?
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by Scott in Shaw on Jan 6, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Right
Because both are stupid.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 6, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lighten up, Francis. 16 aint doing much, and while I wouldn’t bother ‘lobbying’ to trade him I wouldn’t drop my coffee if it happened, either. Would you?
Lighten up, Francis. 16 aint doing much
Other than scoring and registering points more often 5-on-5 than anyone other than Ovechkin while playing good defense that is. No biggie.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you’ve got Fehr down as an untouchable—someone who has no place in a discussion about trade bait—more power to you. I’ve seen and rooted for ‘power forward’ Fehr, but it seems to me ‘floaty wrister/blown assignment’ Fehr is seldom 2 games away from the effective version.
I’m not saying I’d make him untouchable if I were GMGM, I’m saying it’s not really fair to say he isn’t doing much given his production and his minutes.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Got it. It does seem his TOI is managed with an eye to minimizing momentum. I go to the games and wouldn’t have guessed he’s got 20 points, +11.
I’m neither eager, nor would I be surprised, to see Fehr on the block. ‘Flash for Tallinder’, where I came in, would stun me.
While Talinder is indeed the only guy on the list who interests me at all … I wouldn’t trade either Fehr or Flash to get him, just don’t think he’s worth it and think both Flash and Fehr have a lot more upside then Henrik right now at this juncture of his career….really wishing that somehow the Caps got into the Bouwmeester hunt last summer….
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jan 6, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they only two guys there that help (Tallinder and Martin) aren’t available.
Well, maybe on Tallinder, but there’s no chance in hell Martin gets traded, much less to the Caps. If only…
Is Tallinder really that much of an upgrade over anything we have?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think he’d be a clear upgrade over someone like ShaMo, as an example. Smarter at least.
Worth what it might cost to get him? Maybe not.
Not that much to trade anything really valuable for him. Doesn’t help Buffalo either if they can’t deal him for an NHL guy that can score, which is their biggest problem.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
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I think if Talbot ended up here, the entire Pens fanbase would light themselves on fire.
Speaking of Leopold, I would love to have him if only so we could use this all the time:
LEOPOLD!!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Better yet, if the Sabres are making the playoffs, why would they give up the D with the best +/- who’s providing stability for rookie D-man Myers? Doesn’t make sense to deal him. Where does Spector come up with these lists?
Well, he picked someone from every team and I think you can make the case for Tallinder from the Sabres given the teams strengths (defensive depth) and weaknesses (offense) and that he’s a pending UFA.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Western list was much more appealing, IMO.
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Sure, whatev.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I rec’d the post for effort and because it looks pretty. Nice use style sheets and whatnot.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 6, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
There’s nothing here that really fits the mold for Washington. Certainly nothing that comes close to the value of a Hamhuis (for D) and Ott (for toughness).
Talbot won’t be traded. He shows up when it counts, kind of like a former french Canadian who won a few Cups with the Habs, Devils and Avs. You don’t deal a guy like that before you make a playoff run—you deal for a guy like that before a playoff run. And besides, he’s a repeated commercial success.
Commercial success?
Sounds like he’ll be a good fit on Bruce’s team.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 6, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I love Tallender, would love Talbot. Can’t see either team dealing with us. I have been wondering what the Oilers would want for Sheldon Souray? He is signed thru 2012 and makes 4.5, but a guy like that would push us over the top I think. I hear rumors that Quinn might be getting ready to have a fire sale up there.
Tell me the “why we don’t” on Carter and Martin were just to fill that section. Obviously, I’d take either of those guys in a second, and obviously neither team is going to deal them to the Caps.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
Tell me the "why we don’t" on Carter and Martin were just to fill that section.
Guilty. In fact, I almost emailed the other bloggers to ask them for a reason not to like Martin before copping out with the injury thing.
by David M. Getz on Jan 6, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Good. You did too good a job — I actually had the impression you wouldn’t want ’em. I can understand not wanting Carter for emotional reasons, but those two guys really stand out on this list.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 6, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
If we can't put together a deal for a superstar defensemen
then i think we should trade for hamhuis from nashville. would perrault, osala, and shamo for him be fair?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 11:39 PM EST reply actions
ok but doesn't nashville want offense? perreault is the main offensive piece in that trade
ok so how about osala, giroux, shamo, and erskine for hamhuis and some other prospect. no trading of perreault and we make room so alzner can finally play.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 11:47 PM EST reply actions
Poile is smart, he’s not going to take our trash.
Also, you’re misfiring on your replies. Using an ipod or something?
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
haha no i'm just new
well i don’t understand why we can’t give them perreault its not like he is going to crack our lineup anytime soon we have plenty of offensive power. maybe give them fehr but only if they take shamo and erskine because a top 4 of green schultz hamhuis and alzner would be sweet
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 6, 2010 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think the problem might be that you’re thinking extremely short-term. Perreault does have a chance of cracking the lineup next year. He was an amazing contributor and worker while he was up this year, and will only be hungrier next camp.
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isnt that the whole point of making trades at the dealine that will help you win the stanley cup?
yes i know its short sighted but as you said we can’t just give them trash. then again it might not be because hamhuis could be a long term answer as a top 4 D man i don’t think he will demand a lot to resign.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
I like me some Matty P, but I worry that he’s getting a bit too much credit around here. He made an amazing first impression, but then he faded a bit and his stats toward the end of his stay with the team were pretty poor. Let’s not get too carried away and stack on him expectations that just aren’t fair.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 7, 2010 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
perreault will at best be a 3rd line center with us
and if the main piece we are trading is a potential 3rd line center for a top D man who could serve us long term…i like that trade a lot
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Isn’t Hamhuis a FA at the end of the season, though? There’s no guarantee he’ll sign, he’s not the kind of guy that’s going to put a team on his back and win us a cup, and that’s not the kind of player that you want to lose an impressive prospect and roster players for.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
you have to give up something though
one impressive prospect at a position we have good depth at for a top 4 d man. and even if hamhui demands a modest rise isn’t poither’s contract coming off the books also? i would take hamhuis over poither in a heartbeat long term.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
We don’t have much depth at C. It’s MP and Mackan right now. Who knows what we draft in 2010, and who knows if Flash pans out, but C is probably our least deep position.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a big gamble, especially when guys have Tkachuk’d in the past.
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don't forget beagle
you have to make sacrifices if you want to improve the roster so we can make a run at the stanley cup. yes giving up a good prospect like perreault would hurt our conscience but we are in the win now mode and we no longer have to or need to hold onto every good prospect we have.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
of course its a gamble
but looking at the cap space we will have with lots of expiring contracts (poither, threeormore, shamo) we can afford him. plus who would want to leave a team like ours? honestly what would compel him to leave our team because we have to money to pay him what he deserves. you think hamhuis wouldn’t like playing on a 100 point team that will contend for the cup for at least 5 more years that plays an exciting offensive style that all players cept for poopy head micheal nylander love?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
haha you never heard that nickname for him?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
well i guess you learn something new everyday. ive always called him threeormore its been around for a while. i first heard it from a colorado fan. go figure.
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
You just missed some Jordan snark. He’s definitely heard that name before. Your initial reaction should be skeptical of anything Jordan says. You learn something new every day.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
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I only like kids when I can give them back.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit, should have gone with...
Master of Karate, and friendship, for everyone.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
haha jordan has been commenting on all my comments
ever since i joined. i guess he is must be my assigned big or something lol
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Beagle and Perreault aren’t comparable.
I’m saying Hamhuis isn’t worth the price you’re quoting. He’s not that big of an impact player. Solid, yes. Worth a second rounder and a prospect, sure. But not the fruit basket you want to deliver.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
well i'm not an exact expert on what he is valued cause i don't watch nashville
but I’m just throwing ideas out there. i mean why don’t you guys come up with a deal thats fair cause if no one does then i’m just going to keep talking up my proposal lol
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
and on beagle
by depth i mean a player who could play at the nhl level. if we we dont have mat p or mackan, and lets say laich goes down, and flash isn’t good enough to play center than stecks moves up to 3c and beagle would be servicable at 4c. I mean its not like we are trading away all our depth if we trade matty P
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno what the package would be. I’d hate to speculate.
All I know is, I don’t want to overpay for Hamhuis like the Rangers did for Morris. Dawes, Kalinin, Prucha for a guy that didn’t help them get past the first round of the playoffs, and then skated his ass right out of town at the end of the season.
Dawes and Prucha could be 20 goal scorers this season, which would have helped NYR out of a jam big time.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
we are die hard fans on a blog
its like basically our duty to speculate
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, then I give them Giroux since they’re good at reclamation projects and need scoring, ShMo because they’re giving up a D so they might as well replace him with a known commodity, and a 3rd round pick so they can draft themselves a scorer.
I wouldn’t feel bad if we lost those things and Hamhuis signed with Lulea on the first day of free agency.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
there you go i like that trade
but do you think they woudl do it because you said yourself that they dont want our trash…
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
I think I made a pretty good case for the trade, and again, Hamhuis isn’t a world-beater.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
compared to shamo and erskine…i dont know maybe he is lol
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
and i'm just wondering...
since i’m a die hard hockey noob i would appreciate it if someone explains to me how valuable nhl draft picks are because they seem to be considerably less valuable than draft picks in say the nfl or nba (at least thats what i get from nhl 10 and the novice hockey knowledge i have lol)
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I have no feel for the NBA because I don’t really follow it, but I’d say less than the NFL. When you’re drafting guys into the NFL they’re generally 21-23 and when you draft guys in the NHL they’re generally 18. You have less of an idea what you’re getting and the odds the guy will contribute right away are much smaller.
That said, picks have become more important since the lockout because players on entry-level contracts can be underpaid compared to their market value.
by David M. Getz on Jan 7, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think picks have gotten more valuable as the prospect depth has gotten deeper. It seems like there are more “sure thing” prospects every year and it’s not a 50/50 chance that you get a solid player in the first round anymore. If you get nothing in your first round pick it’s a complete failure.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
well obviously thats called a bust. I’m wondering like how valuable they are trade wise like for example woudl you be able to get any player of substance by just offering your 1st round pick?
by Area 51 Forever on Jan 7, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
A first round pick could definitely get a solid player, but not a star.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jan 7, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
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