Mike Knuble: As Advertised?
When the Caps signed free agent forward Mike Knuble last summer, we ran down a laundry list of things that the veteran winger would bring to the Caps. Halfway through the season, let's check in on that list and see if the Caps are getting what they expected for their money:
- A goal-scorer. Knuble's .24 goals per game is his lowest lamp-lighting rate since 2001-02, and his 11.3 shooting percentage is his lowest since 2003-04. If he plays every game in the second half of the season and continues to score at his current rate, he'll end up right around 17 goals for the season, which would be his lowest total since 2001-02. Of course, it should be noted that Knuble's ice time is down more than two minutes from last season's 18:10 average), and his power play time has dwindled from 2:54 per game to 2:33. His goals/60 at 5-on-5 is 1.01, which is actually up a bit from .91 a season ago. He'd obviously benefit from some more time on the top line, which is where many expected - and still want - to see him skating.
- A power-play presence. Knuble has one power play goal on the season - which he scored in the second game of the campaign - and has just two extra man assists (both of the secondary variety). In each season since the lockout, he's been in double-digits in power play goals, but his .85 goals/60 at 5-on-4 rate is a far cry from the 2.90 he had last season or the 2.10 he had in 2007-08. Of note, the Caps' PP has been 22.6% effective with Knuble in the lineup and 25.5% without him.
- A veteran presence. Has Knuble made guys like Brooks Laich and Eric Fehr better crash-the-net scorers? Maybe. Has he stepped up his leadership when the team has needed it (i.e. recently)? Hard to say. Obviously, this is a tough one to quantify meaningfully, though the rate at which he's committing minor penalties is a bit unsettling.
- A durable winger. After playing in all 82 games in four of his last five seasons, Knuble has already missed a dozen of the Caps' first 41 games with a broken finger, which really isn't the kind of injury that makes you question a guy's durability, so we're still good here.
- A solid defensive forward. Knuble has been one of the Caps' worst penalty killing forwards but hasn't been bad at 5-on-5.
- A Penguin killer ... with something to prove to Philly. That first part is still "TBD," but he's scoreless in two games against his most recent former team (too bad he missed the stat-padding blowout).
So it's been a bit of a mixed bag on Knuble so far this season as he has adjusted to life as a Cap, but I do feel comfortable answering the question implied in the title to this post: Are the Caps getting what they expected from Mike Knuble? Ask again in late spring - that's what they're paying him for.
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Excellent choice of picture, JP.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Even if it does need the saturation cranked up about a hundred percent, I agree.
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Nice. I just figured it was my crappy laptop monitor.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Great piece. In your opinion JP, has Knuble looked a step slower from his days in Philly? Or is that my eyes playing tricks on me because even our less talented players are super-fast? I will say this though, Knuble has really opened my eyes with how impressive he is in front of the net. I never had a full appreciation of it until now. He will be invaluable in the playoffs.
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He was never a speedster. It’s possible that he’s slowed down a tad, but any decline you’re seeing is more likely the result of watching a Chevy Suburban skating with a Ferrari F430 and an Audi R8.
Still sore...
by D'ohboy on Jan 4, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice metaphor.
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My impression is that Knuble’s numbers have suffered because he is most effective in a set piece offense that allows him to setup in front and scoop in rebounds. The Caps, especially AO/Backis/Semin, are at their most lethal when they aren’t cycling but when they are able to use their speed to break down the defense.
So you’re saying that Knuble’s an aging veteran who was signed to a multi-year deal but isn’t necessarily a great fit for a north-south attack? Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Just kidding. I’m still bullish on Knoobs.
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Alright, not much insight there. I get it.
That said, I felt like when he was signed he would be best when he’s on the PP. BB hasn’t given him the time to get out there and actually make the impact he could.
I wasn’t ripping you at all… merely stretching to make a comparison to another former Cap.
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Do we technically get to call him “former” yet?
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
“Former and possibly-but-we-pray-daily-not-future Cap”?
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SOB can dominate on the cycle when they want to. They prefer to beat teams with speed on the rush, but those guys can all cycle very well. Maybe having Knuble on the wing would force them to slow it down and cycle more, but I doubt it.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
agreed, Lars has gotten stronger every year, and I really think he can be a beast on the cycle when the rest of his line plays that way.
Backstrom is great on the cycle. When he works with someone who is willing to play along, beautiful passes ensue.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Semin’s great at it too when he’s playing his best. The problem with the care bears is that they look for each other too much. If Semin were more of a pure goal scorer it might work, but he usually thinks pass-first.
So is Semin a playmaker? I’ve always thought he was a sniper.
IMHO, Semin thinks pass-first when the intended is double teamed and he has an open lane to the net. Conversely he thinks shoot first when a defender is blocking the lane and his running mates are wide open.
The hockey sense of a rabbit.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
It has long been my poison of choice but is also more addictive than hockey so I can no longer recommend it to friends. It has no connection to Semin, having neither a good nor bad effect on his play. A rabbit might, such as the one alluded to below, or any of the other Python methods. I don’t believe Coach has seen the need to resort to that yet. Maybe later.
It was also the drink of choice of one Graham Chapman, apparently at the premiere of the movie referenced in this thread they had to continue to make his drinks weaker and weaker, until they were serving him plain tonic by the end and he no longer noticed.
I think the hockey sense of a rabbit would be pretty simple:
A) Can I eat it? If yes, then eat it.
B) Can I hump it? If yes, then hump it.
C) Can I neither eat nor hump it? RUN AWAAAAAAY!!!!
Still sore...
by D'ohboy on Jan 4, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rabbit?
RUN AWAAAAY! RUN AWAY!

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by jordanDC on Jan 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is exactly what I was thinking of.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
so that’s what the other teams are using to keep Semin off the score sheet! It all makes so much sense now!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
On the count of three. One, two, five.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
what if we construct a large wooden badger?
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I worry what Joe Finley would do to a large wooden badger.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Probably get beat wide by it.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Rob Parker on Jan 4, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But, but… he provides sandpaper and grit to the blueline!
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not in DC he won’t.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Not in DC he won’t.
I’ll be bold and say not in the NHL he won’t.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
That’s not what OFB told me :(
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
they certainly have the skill to move the puck and cycle all night, but that doesn’t suit their style of play. And typically it leads to them being “too cute” and making flashy passes that go nowhere.
I just think role-wise Knuble provides more balance to the top line than Semin. It gives you a grinder, a playmaker, and a finisher instead of a playmaker, a finisher, and an enigma.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I think the “too cute” passes are occurring in transition when they try to pass through the backchecking defenders rather than settling down and establishing the zone. Cycling occurs once the zone is established. I’d label it as being pretty conservative actually. I’d agree that it isn’t really their style though.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I label the “too cute” plays any time they try to force something that isn’t there relying on their skill. And I include Semin’s sometimes ill-conceived dangling with the puck after the zone is established which leads to an inevitable turnover. But that’s just my opinion.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
seminrocks says you are WRONG and you hate Semin and you’re a mean mean mean person. Why are you so mean? Can’t you see Semin is trying really hard?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
A wise man once said “Do, or do not. There is no try.”
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with that definition. I just don’t think cycling is usually the source of those ill-conceived plays.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 4, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
And I don’t think that line really does a lot of real “cycling”
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
IIRC Green’s goal v. the Kings came off of a cycle down low from Semin.
by mechanicsville on Jan 4, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
And what am I looking for? The PP effectiveness?
Stats can be deceiving, here’s an example from the Oveckinless period this year – “After winning the last two games by a combined 14-4, the Capitals are somehow averaging 4.5 goals per game without the League’s best sniper and 3.29 in the 21 games they have played with him.”
That would suggest that the Caps are better offensively without him, which we know is false.
All I know is that if Ovechkin-Zubrus-Clark can be an effective line (where Ovi gets 50+ goals and Clark gets 30), than it’s seems logical that Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble could be a dominating line.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Gold medal game is tomorrow night… during Caps/Habs.
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I’ll be watching that and flipping back to Caps/Habs
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Jan 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
And I too would like to see him up on the top line. It seems that the Care Bears line does great for scoring chances but not for sustained pressure. They’re typically one and done. With Knuble in the corners battling for the puck instead of Jizz, they stand a better chance to maintain possession.
and in that role, being a step or two late is not such a big deal.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, when the Care Bears are playing well they routinely have the other team pinned in their zone for an entire shift even when they don’t score.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Jan 4, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
when the Care Bears are playing well
Ah, there’s the rub, ain’t it?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 5, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Injuries have plagued this team...
and Knoobie is no exception. It is damn hard to find a groove when returning from weeks off.
I think this team will be scary once the lines are solid, somewhat, at least as solid as Bruce can make them.
. . . and with plenty of cap room to make deals this team will be terrifying after the trade deadline.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
You probably knew this was coming, but
Mike Knuble, career shooting percentage = 14, shooting percentage average over the last 4 years with the Flyers = 15.7%.
Knuble’s shooting percentage this year? 11.3%.
To make matters worse, he’s not getting shots at quite the same rate. Over 29 games played, he’s got 62 shots, for 2.14 shots/game. Over the previous four years, he took 2.35 shots/game.
This decline shouldn’t be surprising, given that his ice time/game has declined from 18:10/G in 08-09 with the Flyers to 16:09/G this year, and his PP TOI/G has declined from 2:54 to 2:33.
Knuble will likely rebound from his poor shooting percentage, with a concomitant upward tick in goal-scoring. Whether or not he begins to produce at the levels he did while in Philly will likely depend on his ice time, who he’s playing with, and how much time he spends on the PP.
Still sore...
There is no stat available to substatiate this, however if you watched a Flyers game last year it became increasingly obvious that the approach the Flyers took is to shoot at the opposite leg pad from the side they were coming in on to increase the chances of a rebound.
8, 28, 19, 52 don’t shoot for the legs to create rebounds so no matter what he won’t see as much and will be ducking more this year and chasing rebounds from the boards and glass.
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by kurlNdrag on Jan 4, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Caps as a team don’t shoot for rebounds, (mostly put it in a goalies chest or try for 7 hole, when not roofing it) we mostly shoot to win it individually, not try as a team to dig for the goals….
time will tell if this creates success or failure come playoff time.
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It’s certainly possible, but Knuble also put up 16.2% in 02-03 with the Bruins (before dipping down to 10.9% the following year), so it’s not just a Philly phenomenon.
I didn’t watch the Flyers consistently enough last year, but I can say that Knuble, and guys like him who score around the net, can put up pretty consistently high shooting percentages because of the type of shots they’re taking.
Still sore...
You have to ask yourself how much being switched from line to line and center to center has impacted his game. Combine that with being totally new to a team and then being injured for a month and you have a classic case of seasonus interruptus. I think that after the Olympic break when he’s had enough time to get his finger fully healed and to get his skating legs back, we’ll see the Mike Knuble we thought we were getting.
by b.orr4 on Jan 4, 2010 3:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
as long as that Knuble shows up in the playoffs, I’ll be happy.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we’ve all seen how a defenseman with a great point shot and a crease-crasher can play off each other. The crease crasher sticks his ass in the goalie’s face, screening him. The crease crasher tips shots. And of course, the crease crasher pots the inevitable rebounds from hard point shots.
Is Knuble’s problem the fact that, aside from Green, this team gets no offense to speak of from its defensive corps?
Is Scott Niedermayer (or Kim Johnsson, or some other offensive defenseman) the solution to this problem for the Caps? Could Pothier help?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
None of the guys you mentioned is a “bombs away” type. They are all offensive because of their skating and passing ability. Green is the only great shooter of the group, but his is great because of the release and accuracy, not the power. I think you’re on to something, but I don’t think those guys are the solution. Now, John Carlson…
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Honestly, from what I’ve seen so far, I’d say Karl Alzner is a start. You don’t have to be Al Iafrate or Zdeno Chara to change the way the defense plays the game by shooting from point. Alzner’s been particularly good at setting up tips.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 4, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, he gets the puck through for the most part.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
see: Lidstrom, Nicklas as prime examples. (no I am not comparing Alzner to Nick)
Nick’s biggest offensive threat is the fact that he can make it, somehow, through just about every screen to increase a scoring chance. Alzners already showing he knows this and will only improve. I only hope that we get a D come trade deadline that can actually mentor this als
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to that point, there aren’t many shots from the point as expected/anticipated including from Green. I thought Green’s pattend move was to bring it down the boards and shoot from the circle area (and if thats not available, skate to goal-line-extended and pass across the middle). Perhaps this idea ties into the above theory that Knuble doesn’t have time to post-up in front of the net…
remember in the pre-season when Knuble came out on fire and scored a couple goals in a couple games? Remember when he also scored two (i believe) off his thigh/leg and we all were excited about him bringing that to the team on a nightly basis? To all those memories I subsrcibe to the “seasonus interruptus” theory above.
Knuble isn’t the only guy struggling. As it has been noted, Brooks Laich also hasn’t been lighting the lamp much lately either. Not coincidentally, the Caps power play as a whole has suffered recently. The goals they are scoring seem to be more of the finesse variety. A little more shots through traffic and less thread the needle back door passes is probably what the doctor ordered.
I can’t recall which game it was, but there was a 5v3 power play where 3-4 times in a row the Caps tried the same back door pass to Backstrom without connecting.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
One night it was Semin passing to Nicky. The next it was Nicky passing to Semin. Both tried 3-4 times and neither worked. I think it was both games.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
The scariest part about that is that EVERY TIME, had they connected, it would have been buried in the back of the net… the other team bought it 3-4 times in a row! I couldn’t believe my eyes!
No, the scariest part is that it failed 3 times and yet they want back to it again. That play requires everything to go just right and the puck to lay flat just so. It’s not something you want to base your PP around just because it worked one time.
Still sore...
I thought the scariest part was that if they just kept their stick on the ice it could have deflected in. But the kept trying for the pretty one-timer.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Putting your stick down is asking for it to be lifted or slashed right out of your hands. You gotta keep it off ice sometimes.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Yeah, but when you’re alone on the side of the net during a 5-on-3?
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
You got eyes in the back of your head?
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
No, but I’m pretty confident that I can count to three. If I can only see two defenders, then I better be more careful.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
At least in the game I’m referring to, the puck bounced or the opponent deflected it every time before it got to Nicky.
Still sore...
From where I was sitting, I just saw him whiff or shank it.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Admittedly, my view was from the other side of the rink. However, I’m willing to give the guy with world-class skill the benefit of the doubt and infer that the puck wasn’t laying flat for him.
Still sore...
or the timing was just a bit off. I’m not crucifying the guy or anything.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 4, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
F&B harps on this all the time – the PP guys have to move their feet to create lanes and get the PKers moving, especially on the 5on3. Perfect example – the PHI goal against OTT the other night. Pass to the point, the point man walks the puck to the slot, skating across the front of the goal and leaves a drop pass for the other man rotating up from the other side. It moves the PK and creates a goalie screen at the same time, which resulted in a goal. Granted, that goal required a pretty great shot, but the opportunity was there and I daresay the Caps have guys who are quite capable of making that shot.
Obviously, you don’t want to get static or stale with your plays – teams will learn how to defend that if PHI does it every time, but they’re also adroit with the backdoor tap-in across the crease. However, they setup both plays by skating to attack and move the triangle, opening the passing and shooting lanes.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 4, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In my mind, Knuble is the only guy who can justify not moving around on the PP, and that’s because his hefty cheeks should be planted in front of the goalie — one on one side of the netminder’s nose and the other on the other.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 4, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
"Get Your Ass To The Net"

Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 4, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Correct. His movement should be in a lateral arc around the crease, or winning battles behind the net. The skill guys out in space need to be the ones moving around.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Ask again in late spring – that’s what they’re paying him for.
This is all I care about. Everything else is just window dressing with Knuble in my mind. He’s being paid to be a physical presence and get dirty goals in the postseason.
A man gotta have a code
Seems to me that no matter which line he’s playing on – with Ovechkin & Backstrom or with Morrison & Semin – he always has to be the guy on the wall or behind the net fighting for possession in the offensive zone, which makes it hard -if not impossible -for him to also be in front of the net making life difficult for the goalie.
And when he does manage to get in front he often has to move out from the crease to keep the cycle going because that’s where his linemates generate the majority of their chances.
The Flyers played an entirely different game, had a roster full of guys who battle along the boards, and three defensemen who are willing to fire shots from the point. The Caps don’t have the same presence on the boards -at least not on their top two lines -and have only one defenseman who shoots on a regular basis.
I don’t think it’s fair to try and compare Knuble’s past/present performance apples to apples.
by Jeff T on Jan 4, 2010 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds right (but worrisome).
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Jan 5, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Fact is, that’s all that really matters overall. And yet, my guess is there’d be some folks upset with us if we went dark until April.
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I’m obviously hoping he stays dark (except against his former team and one up I-95 a bit further). But I think this sentiment hits it on the head. We’re hearing the same exact thing about Kunitz right now in Pens land: gritty guy who isn’t producing like he should on lines (and a PP unit) that includes the kind of world class talent that surrounds him.
Big deal. The season isn’t over. Wait to make a final assessment until either (i) your team is hoisting Lord Stanley, or (ii) you’re playing golf in late Spring. It’s okay to say, “maybe we got a dud here” at this point. But those calling for trades, etc. are just hyperventilating.
Knuble’s going to be fine. I don’t think he’ll get more than 20-22 goals by the end of the reg. season, but it’ll be sufficient to garner time on one of the top 2 lines. The bigger issue may be if his age is factoring in here.
Thanks for the support. Maybe you missed the point, but I’m defending Knuble here. I think he’s a better player than his current numbers show.
Keep your stick down, Laing. =]
Just reflexive booing, I agree with all your points.
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and Green
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
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