Recap: Caps 4, Panthers 1
by Becca H on Jan 29, 2010 10:36 PM EST
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The scary thing about a winning streak like this one is that little voice reminding us that, eventually, a loss has to come. At the same time, the beauty of a winning streak like this is an oddly parallel feeling of invincibility - no matter what the circumstances, no matter how a game is going, the team can and will find a way to win.
Tonight was one of those rollercoaster nights, a game that could have gone bad so many times. And yet, as has been the case so frequently throughout this unreal stretch, something good always seemed to happen just in time.
The Panthers carried the play for much of the first period...and there was Nicklas Backstrom, picking up goal #22 to stake the home team to the lead. Florida struck back in the second to tie it up...and there was Mike Knuble's foot, deflecting an Alex Ovechkin shot into the net to reclaim that lead just 25 seconds later. And just as the team lost its star defenseman to injury...there was the offense to blow the roof off a tight game and capture another win.
Ten more notes on the game:
- Mike Knuble continues to rack up points at a ridiculous rate, picking up his 17th and 18th goals tonight and adding an assist for good measure. That gives him goals in three straight. six of his last eight and an impressive eight goals during this nine-game win streak. The absence of a hat trick just doesn't seem to matter much anymore, does it?
- It was a slightly off night for a lot of forwards, but Backstrom wasn't one of them - and so rarely seems to be these days. The young Swede seemed to be running at full power most of the night, picking up a goal, two assists, seven shots on goal (2 more than Ovechkin), a +2, 2 hits and a blocked shot for good measure.
- Good things come in threes, right? Capping off a nice night for the top line was the man between the pipes, Michal Neuvirth, who turned aside 35 of 36 shots en route to his 8th win of the season. We even got to see a bit of that flashy glove late in the game on what had to be his prettiest save of the year.
- Such a strange night for Mike Green. First he funnels his frustration at being hit by Stillman into a borderline but dangerous elbow to the head of Michael Frolik, then is injured on an accidental leg-on-leg hit by Dmitry Kulikov. And of course he picked up a nice assist along the way, too.
- Speaking of Kulikov, upon further viewing that hit certainly seems neither intentional nor suspension-worthy - but it's puzzling as to why that wasn't at least a minor penalty. Intentional or not, we've seen that called on others (*cough*Ovechkin*cough*).
- After providing some scorching and timely offense over the past few games, Alexander Semin and his friends on the second line were relatively quiet tonight and seemed a bit off. Some of that seemed to be due to some great positional play that rendered the line incapable of finding time, space or flow.
- They didn't show up much on the scoresheet - in fact, save for a few shots here and there it's hard to tell they even played - but the third line had some jump and a bit of an edge to their game tonight. Jason Chimera's presence on that line has really created something that is, at the very least, fun to watch.
- When a goalie is hot, he's going to stop everything he sees. Good for the Caps - all of them - for going to the front of the net time and time again. Deflections, screens, rebounds - that was the story for tonight, and it's a big reason why the streak goes to 9.
- With Jeff Schultz's "blast" from the point, every member of the Caps has now scored at least once in the last 13 games. Per Caps' PR guru Nate Ewell: "Boyd Gordon hasn't scored in his last 9 GP (the team's last 12) - that's the longest drought in the lineup." So Tampa, consider this your warning - #15's coming for you.
- For the second time in two games the Caps took a tight game into the third and broke it wide open, first with Schultz's tally at 4:46 and then again with Knuble's clincher about two minutes later. Nothing wrong with finishing strong, folks.
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Good recap Becca.
Totally agree on the ugliness of the win. After the pure lusty lovemaking skill shown in the first and third periods against the Ducks the other nights, it’s nice to see the Caps get down and dirty to score tonight.
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Seconded…a terrific writeup, Becca.
“Down and dirty”, indeed. Solid win for the Caps over a Panthers club searching for identity.
We’ll get there…
by Donny Rivette on Jan 29, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks! And you guys have been absolutely tackled by injuries this year but are still majorly in the hunt for a playoff spot – it’s only a matter of time, really. Hang in there :)
I second this. Also, LOVE LBK! Such great work, keep it up!
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Kongratulations, Kanoobie
Ugly goals never looked prettier than when they’re bouncing in off Mike Knuble, “the moose in the crease”!
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by EmilyB on Jan 30, 2010 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
WOW, Neuvi’s headshot is so awkward looking. I never noticed that before
Every time Nicky scores a goal, an angel gets its wings.
by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 30, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
I know we're scoring tons right now, but
I am SO happy with the gritty D in our own zone too. That’s why I’m thinking long Cup run.
It seems like the team as a whole is doing a better job getting loose pucks our from in front of our net, and at least over to the boards lately. One ‘small’ play that stuck out to me from my perch high in 429 was early in the first. Maybe 1-2 min in, there was a rush to the net and the puck moved left to right across our goal, and it was frankly ahead of Neuvy. Fehr made a great check (Possibly a lift?) on the Fla forward that was coming in pretty strong and stopped what looked like an easy shot from getting off. Without that effort, I’m pretty sure it’s 0-1 bad guys early in the first, and a different tone to the game.
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thought the D looked shaky in the first two periods last night. having Green go off cuz of injury seem to light a spark in them for the final period
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by RedskinFan4Life on Jan 30, 2010 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
I think VAMedic is talking about not just the D, but a whole-team commitment to defense. The latter is going to take them to a long run in the spring, regardless of the guys with D next to their name.
I don’t like the trend of tight games going into the third – 40m of sloppy play is going to bite us sooner or later.
No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.
I’m starting to feel a little ripped-off whenever the Caps don’t put one in the next every 8 minutes or so.
What's ya major, dude?
by HBK on Jan 29, 2010 10:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i feel ripped off that i didnt get wings :-)
my are we spoiled
by twistedlogic on Jan 29, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rink Rats and Rabbits, who texted “I love bubbles!” and the “smakedown” text tonight?!
Game was a bit nerve-wracking for a bit. And then they won. Again. it’s good to be a Caps fan.
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my money’s on Ovechwin and beta :) hahaha
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by kellobellow on Jan 29, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
That reminds me.. did anyone see a txt about me mancrushing on Nicky?
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i didn’t look, but they talked about sending it, haha.
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by kellobellow on Jan 30, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
I could have sworn I saw one where someone had a man crush on Erskine.
by Gin and Tonic on Jan 30, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
On the relative scale for what’s been going on lately, does this count as a crappy game for Becca to have to recap?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 29, 2010 10:50 PM EST reply actions
Patrick Roy was still in Juniors
#lasttimeCapswon9straight
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
the colts were still the baltimore colts.
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by Natty Bumppo on Jan 30, 2010 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
Japer’s Rink was written on an computer running MS-DOS
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by bilspacecadet on Jan 30, 2010 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
Brooks Laich and Boyd Gordon were infants. Valery Semin and his wife, Tatiana, were expectant parents, with Tatiana being VERY pregnant. (And I’m talking about our longest tenured Caps here).
In other news, the Orioles were a very good team. Cal Ripken was in the early years of his career. And I was still childless.
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There is nothing wrong with finishing strong....
stinks it never translates to a date in my personal life.
But in game talk a wonderful way to stay close. I missed the first on the drive home to work but another solid but unspectacular proformance by Neuvy. I think with NHL time he should get better but he won’t overtake Theo as Number 1.
solid but unspectacular? he played an outstanding game including some great saves in the 3rd.
by twistedlogic on Jan 29, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
i remember last year with BJ, he made that great stop but let in a soft roller the next. I’m not saying he sucks; far from it I like Neuvy more than Varly….but he needs consistency and that game where he stands on his head. Last year it was his first one called up against the Lightning however he hasn’t had “the one” this year. (Not yet in my eyes anyway.)
The glove save though was awesome!!!
I don’t know, that glove stop was pretty freakin’ spectacular. He had another really nice kickout through a screen that he somehow managed to steer into the corner. Absent that, it’s at least a 4-3 hockey game.
Both Neuvy and Theo are playing very, very well right now – solid positioning and rebound control from both of them, sprinkled in with an occasional highlight reel stop. Gotta love having the option and knowing that Varly is going to come back at some point and has been better than both of them at points during the season.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention that Neuvy put the puck down after gloving it at the end of the 2nd and 3rd periods with the clock under 5 seconds so it would run out
smart plays i think
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by RedskinFan4Life on Jan 30, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree. If he would have scored a goal, we’d be talking up his ability to regain the puck after turning it over, backchecking, ability to take a hit, and all the things that he was doing tonight.
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i mean, he wasnt bad by any means. just looked to me like he made a number of mediocre decisions while passing tonite. although i was in the upper deck so maybe i just cant see.
by twistedlogic on Jan 29, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
From the lower section behind the goal it looked like Semin was playing hard and pretty smart, his shots were just getting stopped/blocked.
In general, for all the lines, it seemed like there were a lot of passes crossing within 5-10 feet of the goal, just no one was there to hammer them home.
Absolutely. If Laich had potted that beautiful setup from the corner, we’d have all been agog, again, at Semin’s ability to create chances for his entire line and perform magic with the puck.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely looked dedicated/caring/focused etc.
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Speaking of Kulikov, upon further viewing that hit certainly seems neither intentional nor suspension-worthy – but it’s puzzling as to why that wasn’t at least a minor penalty. Intentional or not, we’ve seen that called on others (*cough*Ovechkin*cough*).
The hit I think it compares to best is Ovechkin’s hit last year on Luke Schenn that knocked him out for 12 games. Clean hit but incidental knee hits.
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When Shultz scored...
I told everyone who would listen in section 104 that you saw it predicted first on JapersRink!!!!
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I’ll repeat from the third period thread: the TSN guys are calling for Green’s head for the elbow. Said it was "the worst" elbow they’d seen this season Clearly they didn’t watch the Richards hit on Booth.
F them.
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Sorry
But I have to disagree. That elbow by Green was much worse than Richards’ hit. The outcome of Richards’ was worse but that hit is nominally a legal hit.
Nothing about Green’s hit was clean.
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I never got a clean look at the hit. Is there a short replay clip anywhere?
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Yeah, that’s pretty ugly. Considering Green’s knee situation, even if they suspended him, as a fan, I might not mind him out a game or two to make sure whatever happened doesn’t get re-aggravated?
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As a fan, I hope he’s suspended. He should be for a play like that, and the fact he plays on a team I root for doesn’t change that.
Ah, now we bring up the wheel of justice. First time offender, normally I’d say a fine only. But who knows? I also probably wouldn’t object to seeing him sit a game for the rest.
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Fine the refs who keep failing to make calls on these plays as well.
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As a soccer fan..
..and ref its difficult to make the right calls with the speed of game the way it is played today. However supplimental punishement is the way to go. In soccer we need more of and more standardized and the same can be said for hockey.
Give’em a fine and we are all fine. More than that as no injury occured is a little harsh.
Whether or not there’s an injury shouldn’t have anything to do with the ruling. You punish the action, not the result.
by David Getz on Jan 29, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In supplemental penalties you need all of the evidence; during the game then you call it as you see it. For example the Richards hit.
The Richards hit wasn’t an obvious elbow.
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it was a borderline headhunt, imo.
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Given what happened to Booth, I’m not sure how it couldn’t be a headshot.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 29, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
headshot, I’m not arguing. but, to me, it also looked like Richards got onto the ice and decided to hit Booth. he came full speed, 3 or 4 strides, and his only intention was to hit him, hard, in the head. But headhunting is a pretty serious accusation, so I tried to qualify it.
but I think Richards is an obnoxious, whiny little [turd], so that may color things. I still can’t believe he didn’t get suspended.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
It makes me wonder though; if Richards had the chance to do that same hit on a Canadian teammate who will be going to the Olympics along with him; would he have done it?
Yes
Doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy that can differentiate on the ice.
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then why is it he hasn’t attempted that hit or as hard a hit on anyone else since then?
He strikes me as the kind of guy who would pull up if it ment losing his spot on Team Canada.
I don’t think the opportunity for that hit comes up very often. Could he have avoided the head if he’d wanted to? I think so, but I wasn’t out there skating.
I loathe Mike Richards, but I’m not buying the Olympic motivation.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying that its because Booth is American; I’m thinking that if he was Sydney Crosby for example does he for that same hit? And if that’s a bad example how about Toews?
If it’s Cosby or Toews he probably doesn’t get a chance to throw that blindside hit. But if he did you know he would throw it.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 29, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
If it’s Toews, he waits until the Hawks play the Canucks and lets Willie Mitchell dish out the punishment the way it should be done legally
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
For the Crosby thing, if Mike Richards, captain of the Philadelphia Flyers, gets a chance to knock the block off of the captain of the Pittsburgh Penguins, hell yeah I think he does it.
I think he does it to Toews too, if they’re in the same situation, but I agree with K_C – he probably never gets the opportunity against those two players. Crosby skates with his head up most of the time and Toews has been much better about it since getting his bell rung by Willie Mitchell.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
Again, I really don’t think there’s time to make that assessment. The game looks fast enough on TV and in the stands, I can’t imagine how fast it goes when the players are actually on the ice in the NHL. I’ll bet it went "puck carrier won’t see me line up hit hit. I don’t think he has time to ponder his Olympic future in that timespan.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a reason why it’s rare to see guys like Crosby or Toews or Ovechkin get their clocks cleaned, and it’s not because opponents aren’t gunning for them.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 29, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he can see a hit, line it up, and think about whether they are an Olympian.
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not even close—there is no time to make that assessment.
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by bigonetimer on Jan 29, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
he tried to line up Ovechkin just a couple games later, same exact way: tight curl at the top of the defensive blueline. Ovechkin saw it coming and Richard veered out da way. He would have taken worse than he dished so he bailed.
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by bigonetimer on Jan 29, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn't that the source of this gif?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
Nothing borderline about that headhunt.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 29, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
ok, glad to know I’m not the only one who thought it was a headhunt.
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I think first time offender + no injury + recent rulings = just a phone call.
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Likely, but again, who knows?
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Thought – with his injury, they might be safe to give him a one-game suspension, seeing as how he might need a little time to recover. (a-la the Ovie situation from earlier in the year?)
I often wonder if the league feels more pressure to suspend in “safe” situations and less in “dangerous” ones, insofar as impacting the overall competition of future games that would be altered.
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Doesn’t look good, that’s for damn sure.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm so going to be in the minority here, but...
…while it looks bad and I agree it’s not what we want to see, it feels like one of those elbows that looks worse in the wake of the Cormier-Tam thing.
And god, I REALLY hate to be this person, but Frolik skates into him hunched over and with his head partially down. Green’s elbow doesn’t get nearly high enough to connect with the head if he’s not skating into him like that.
That being said, I won’t raise a fuss if he gets suspended. Rest the knee, yeah, but also because if they’re going to try and take this stuff out of the game they have to send a message. Green’s lucky the elbow wasn’t higher, he’s lucky Frolik wasn’t hurt, but I could see a game or two for that nonetheless.
Won’t be, though. If Gonchar’s ridiculously intentional flying elbow into the face of Clutterbuck didn’t warrant a suspension, no way does this one.
And god, I REALLY hate to be this person, but Frolik skates into him hunched over and with his head partially down. Green’s elbow doesn’t get nearly high enough to connect with the head if he’s not skating into him like that.
I don’t disagree, but Green certainly looked like he came out with his elbow up and looking to hit someone high. Not like he happened to get his arms up a bit on a hit.
I actually meant to bring this up in the recap but thought there was more important stuff to cover – but I’m getting really tired of Green being unable to control his emotions after being hit. Stillman laid him out with a really great, clean hit and what does he do? Go looking for someone to take out, and not in a smart way.
He either needs to learn how to take a hit (and get up without looking around for an hour waiting for a penalty) or quit being a moron when he’s unable to.
Same thing happened with Semin cross-checking Ballard later on.
You can compare that with Laich being punched in the face during a routine battle in the boards (and drawing a penalty).
I hope Boudreau is preaching the gospel of “don’t lose your cool” today.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 30, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
How do you know what happened with Sasha and Ballard? CSN didn’t show it once. Not fucking once. I’m sick of this bullshit mickey mouse organization running (ruining?) my Caps feeds.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
You mean they didn’t replay it, right? I did see that one on the CSN feed. They never replayed it, but I have TiVO.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 30, 2010 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have it on DVR, I’ll go look again, but I barely saw it when I watched. The camera was moving up ice and at most I caught a part of the infraction.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Nevermind, it was in the screen. Still no replay. CSN still sucks but I guess this wasn’t the one to get all worked up over.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
I think it is worth a little ire. Seems like the kind of thing that’s worth a replay — particularly because the puck was elsewhere, so odds are most folks didn’t see it.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 30, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I must have been watching the puck the first time. What pissed me off most was that Ballard was called for a dive. I really want to get a good look to see how I feel about it. He looks like he crumples in the live shot but I want more.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Right on. Green led with his elbow but not at head height if Frolik is upright. He definitely didn’t go nearly as far out of the way to throw an elbow to the head as Gonchar or Cormier. It may be the dirtiest elbow in the NHL because there haven’t been many this year, but it’s not close to the dirtiest hit.
Still, he did lead with his elbow and it doesn’t matter that Frolik got right up, so it wasn’t clean and the penalty was definitely warranted. But given the NHL’s pattern of discipline it doesn’t deserve a suspension.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 29, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
For sure.
I wonder if he’ll go the “he’s a good kid that made a bad decision” route.
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I doubt it; the Canadian media hates MIke Green :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 29, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree 100%
Green has his elbow up looking to get revenge for getting hit earlier. He was going for his head the entire way.
Having said that, totally out of character, first time offender so it shouldn’t be a problem.
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Green has a pattern of flipping out after getting hit. This season he has been much better about it, not getting rattled, not taking a dumb retaliatory penalty, not ignoring his responsibilities and looking to hit the guy back. This is classic “overly emotional Green,” who I thought was sorta under control. Apparently not.
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Not arguing it’s a penalty. Definitely not anywhere near the worst hit of the year.
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Only because Frolik skated away from it.
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Ehh, it’s ugly, I agree – but some of the from-behind boardings have been much worse – hell, Green was on the receiving end of one such hit not too long ago. If I had to pick the ugliest hit so far, it’s probably Ruutu on Kaleta, which was blatant headhunting and boarding – either that or Sutton on Dupuis, for the angle he went in at. The scariest was the kid in the Q who got elbowed by Cormier and looked to be convulsing on the ice.
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The scariest was the kid in the Q who got elbowed by Cormier and looked to be convulsing on the ice.
To be honest, if Frolik doesn’t see Green coming that could have been him.
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Agreed. And half of the people in here calling this hit clean or borderline were probably calling for a lifetime ban for Cormier saying it was the most disgusting thing they’ve ever seen. This was clearly a retaliation hit, leading with the elbow, and by the looks of it headhunting and intent to ruin somebody’s day. Green deserves to sit for more than just one or two games I say.
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by Knubles and Bits on Jan 30, 2010 2:45 AM EST up reply actions
Green stood the guy up from a standing position. Cormier came running in with a full head of steam. There’s less injury potential from Green’s hit, even if Frolik didn’t see it coming. Not saying it was clean, or that Frolik couldn’t have been hurt, I’m just saying that it’s hard to imagine Green doing as much damage as Cormier hitting the way he did.
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by Gould Old Days on Jan 30, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
There are a ton of hits that fall under that category. It’s amazing that there aren’t more injuries. But if you’re going to judge Green’s hit on the worst case scenario you should look at some of the other hits that miraculously don’t hurt people (Slava Kozlov on Scott Gomez immediately comes to mind. So does every hit Ryan Hollweg ever threw.) and you still can’t really say that Green’s hit is one of the worst. This isn’t Domi on Niedermayer by any stretch.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
This isn’t Domi on Niedermayer by any stretch.
Same intent. Same approach. Much different outcome luckily.
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Disagree completely on the approach, and probably on the intent though we’ll never know. Green came at him from straight on, while he had the puck. Domi gave an elbow out of nowhere on a fly by. Green’s hit wasn’t clean, but it’s nowhere near as bad as you seem to think it is. As far as intent, Domi has a much dirtier track record and so less reason to get the benefit of the doubt. He also did it in a playoff series against one of the other team’s best players. I think it’s much more likely that Domi was trying to take Niedermayer’s head off to help win that series; there’s no reason to think that Green was trying to end Frolik’s season.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
To be fair, I think they said “one of the worst elbows”, which isn’t that same thing or even the same ballpark as “worst hit of the year”.
Thank you PPP and DMG for you reasoned objective views on the play. I agree with what you are both saying. And it’s not because I am Canadian and have a vendetta against Green.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 29, 2010 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think you’ll find most all of the opinions here on the Rink to be reasoned and informed – except maybe the one where I was traded to the red team. White never fully recovered, imo.
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It was a blow we weren’t expecting.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I still haven’t mustered the courage to talk about that event.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 29, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did anyone else catch Alan May from CSN Caps Post Game Live? Think he mentioned something about a suspension being called for, and how Canadians hated Mike Green.
He’s right on the first count but stupid on the second count. Canadians don’t hate Green. Just because most didn’t think that he should be on the Olympic team doesn’t mean that we hate him.
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To be fair, he said the Canadian media hates him.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Ah
I know Pierre McGuire loves him but for some reason they skipped from Phaneuf adoration to Doughty without spending too much time on Green.
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So we’re agreed Erakine should probably sit Tuesday, yes? His lack of speed, positioning showed up more than most tonight.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 29, 2010 11:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nope, full on sincerity. The boys were caught on odd man rushes more than
once and he either hustled to get back or a forward bailed him out.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 29, 2010 11:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But le question...
is it due to him not making mental descisions. Maybe Erskine’s phyiscal talent is their but, he should’nt pinch as much. But when he does a foward should be back just incase a rush happens.
That’s a twofold problem; it exposes Eraline’s lack of speed and it tosses the use of a forward aside to cover for his catching up. All the more risky if Florida could score.
Dunno, when it comes to managing his minutes, he might need to sit after the Tampa game for a game or two.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 29, 2010 11:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow, spelling Erskine on iPhone really takes liberties, especially when you’ve had a few.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ersky can play as long as he’s not paired with Poti - that was a bad combo last night (or any night)
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by RedskinFan4Life on Jan 30, 2010 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
Urskine?
Because he’s ursine.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 30, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Encouraging
It’s nice to see Semin, Backstrom, and Knuble all inside the crease at the same time with amazing frequency over the last few games. Shit’s working. All three of them have been putting in trash during the winning streak.
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This is why I’m less worried about playoff scoring than I was last year. They’re getting in close and putting home second and third shots, while making sure the goalie can’t see. The skaters were so far superior to the Rangers last season that they eventually wore down Henrik Lundqvist, but it was a very near thing. Granted they didn’t have as many issues scoring against Pitt, but a couple more ugly goals against the Pens and who knows how that series goes? It can’t have hurt.
FLA took away the cross ice passes tonight, for the most part. Seeing them put it on net and then go dig to put it in was awesome. If they keep that up, it looks real good for the postseason.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 29, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
On Green’s injury. I am surprised that the net result was for us to end up with one guy in the box and for Florida to end up with nobody in the box. I expected coincidental minors at least. (Florida seemed to be downright feisty tonight.)
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It’s hard not to come out with an edge when you’re playing the division lead and the press has a penchant for saying it’s a one-team division. They’re also fighting for every point if they want in to the postseason.
Still, yes, credit Florida for showing up and putting a good effort out there for most of the game.
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(Florida seemed to be downright feisty tonight.)
Agreed, I’m a little surprised more hasn’t been said about this. It seemed like there were multiple times their players took themselves out of the play in an attempt to land a big hit. Either that or the Caps were getting a little too cocky from the win streak and were playing with the puck a little too much. I think its a little from column A and a little from column B
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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 30, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
did anyone else bother to go meet some Nationals? Drew Storen is one chatty kid. Nyjer Morgan and Brian Bruney rocked the red (and Bruney is one BIG dude, who complained about how cold it was. “They told me DC is a warm city!”). Dibble looks like an even bigger tool in person.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
Hey, rumor has it they might actually win some games this year! I hope so for their sake, as well as the fans. The past couple of years have been brutal.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
With last year’s finish, they get to draft that phenom goalie catcher, right? So, they could have, down the road, the best pitcher in baseball throwing it to the best catcher in baseball? That’d be something else.
Did Santana throw to Mauer when they were both in Minn? It’d be like that.
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yeah, The Joe & Johan show. Good times. It was beautiful to watch.
btw, if you don’t have tickets to the Caps game Sunday, it’s Nationals fanfest, if you’re into baseball. Looks like it’ll be interesting.
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nah, would have been excited to meet nyjer morgan though
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by kellobellow on Jan 29, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a big Super Mario fan, and not the video game. :{
What amazing date in history are we giong back to today, Mr. Peabody?
I would have liked to meet some Nationals but it’s too much of a problem to make it to the game early enough after working all day (and considering we live in Reston, VA and I work in Chantilly and my husband works in Herndon, not far from Dulles.)
Would have liked to have met Nyjer Morgan. (He and Knuble were my birthday boy birthday presents.)
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This has OT written all over it.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Rob Parker on Jan 30, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
From Tarik:
Mike Green on his elbow to Michael Frolik’s head: "I didn’t mean to elbow him. I might have got it up. I thought it was my shoulder."
Oh right, the shoulder at the end of his arm. That one.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 29, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, no one ever accused him of being the brightest lightbulb. You know that song, “Head, shoulders, knees and toes”? Always confused him.
by Becca H on Jan 29, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While I’ve elbowed someone incidentally before, too, the hit was still pretty ugly.
The good news is that he didn’t injure the guy, and that his own injury seems to be minor. Gabby says it’s “more of a charley horse”, and even if the NHL does give him a game or two for the hit, it won’t be wasted – nothing wrong with recuperation time.
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His arm’s extended, but I saw forearm (as opposed to elbow) the very first time I saw the hit, so I’m conflicted.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 29, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
I was behind it and thought he led with the elbow, for what it’s worth.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 29, 2010 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If Frolik was upright Green’s elbow would be even higher up.
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Leading the Witness?
you railed me for the Richards thing and now your making a comment as if you know how Green thought…..yes the Canadian media doesn’t hate Green just the bloggers
Yeah, his plan was to elbow Frolik in the chest. That’s why he had it aimed at his head for the entire approach.
It has nothing to do with hating Green because I’d kill to have him on my team. It has to do with a very dirty and dangerous hit being thrown.
I didn’t ‘rail’ you for the Richards thing. I just pointed out that I doubt that Richards processes whether a hit he is going to lay is on an Olympic teammate or not.
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Presuming that’s the angle that Ferraro and Dreger are discussing (and which PPP has here.
On the CSN replay that they’re showing, said elbow just happened and it looked a little sketchy in full speed on the center ice camera.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
If Frolik was upright it would be an elbow to the chest, not a shoulder hit. Frolik’s position has nothing to do with Green’s elbow flying out.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Rob Parker on Jan 30, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So, it looks bad in replay, no doubt. His elbow is out front here. (could argue another angle to see forearm, but I think we are looking at a leading elbow). But, his elbow is below his shoulder, and even below the top of his numbers here. (again, at ice level, maybe at top of numbers…either way). I think you could argue against headhunting for that reason.
No doubt in my mind he was looking for a “payback hit”, and that’s no good, but I’m not ready to hang “head hunter” on him.
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Just reckless. He wanted to punish a Cat, and just threw himself at one.
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Couple frames later from HD feed...
Left to reader: Intent etc.
"Right now, I can't wait for the playoffs." -- Mike Green 1/18/2010
Had Frolik not cut away and taken the hit like a man it would have been Green’s shoulder.
/CI’d
In all seriousness, Frolik cut away to avoid an obvious hit that had a high chance of incidental knee-on-knee contact given Green’s somewhat awkward body position (a result of him trying too hard to make a hit.) While doing the sensible thing, he got clipped by a reaching elbow that shouldn’t have been there.
Green’s transition from backward to forward looked awkward to me. Maybe he caught an edge on his right skate in the VC ice. That may be why his left knee looked like it was leading a bit. Maybe he was off balance and threw his arms up to catch himself. It looks like he pulled his elbow back about 3 feet from impact — maybe Green wasn’t gunning for an elbow and couldn’t react fast enough. Maybe he didn’t expect Frolik to cut. Maybe he thought Frolik was going to come right into him, and he was bracing for the hit.
That’s a lot of Maybes. More likely Green looked off-balance to me because the was streching to make a hit.
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Some major Flash love on NHL On The Fly right now.
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On Draper having to wear a USA jersey at practice: "well at least the Wings can settle bets without involving gold plated desert eagles!"
For the second time in two games the Caps took a tight game into the third and broke it wide open, first with Schultz’s tally at 4:46
So what you’re saying is…Schultz for Norris?
SCHULTZ FOR HART!
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Mean Lars for Lady Byng!
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 29, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
If you mean big as in length of ice it travels…I am all with you
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 29, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
I could time that shot getting to the net with a calendar.
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by ThePeerless on Jan 30, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Schultz for Norris — provided he gets his act together and leads the league in Plus/Minus. Or would merely leading all defensemen in Plus/Minus be a sufficient condition for earning the award.
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I know when I hear the name Viktor Kozlov, my mind automatically flashes to Guy Carbonneau.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 30, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
When I hear “Viktor Kozlov” three things pop to mind:
1. That’s a kick ass commie name.
2. dimples
3. Viktor+playoffs=makes me cry.
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You didn’t like his goals against Hank?
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You seem to have an echo this evening.
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by CapitalCentre on Jan 30, 2010 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
On Schultz’s goal, that was a weird one. He gets the goals and the wingers get the assists (Semin & Flash who are normally the scoring wingers).
Well what do you expect on the night of the Wolf Moon? Weird things.
Or is it just backwards day?
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I think the guys just told him he was getting his goal tonight. Brooksie went up and laid down that awesome screen, and Flash and Sash fed him perfectly. Tic-tac-goal.
That’s how scary good Caps’ O is this month.
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We see Brooks Laich in interviews, and he is witty, charming, personable. But on the ice, he looks like one fellow you really don’t want to mess with.
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I only ask....
For this winning streak to continue 2 more games, obviously I would like to see a new franchise record.
But the real reason is I’m going to Boston for the Tuesday game and 3 years ago I went to Boston and they we lost 0-2.
Also, I made my hat trick contest pick for Tuesday and I’m hoping I get to see that too. Not saying you can’t lose and have a hat trick but that means the other team must score at least 4 goals in order to win and the B’s offense has been quiet.
Shhhhhhh.
Я Харт не так ли?
Last time I saw the Caps in Boston (the only time I did) was last year. The overtime game with Semin’s 100 ft goal that baffled Thomas. God I loved that.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 30, 2010 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
I was at that one too, I even called Semin’s goal in a way. I turned to my girlfriend halfway through Sasha’s OT shift and said, “I bet Semin does something crazy here.” About 30 seconds later, game over. It was awesome.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Jan 30, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
This, I like to see.
Team GP Pts
1. * Washington 54 78
2. * New Jersey 53 72
3. * Buffalo 53 71
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by Knubles and Bits on Jan 30, 2010 5:19 AM EST reply actions
To all the people who refer to the South East Division as the South Least, here are some statistics.
I added up the total points earned for all South East teams and the total points earned by the North East teams. The South East teams collectively have 287 points while the North East have 289. A difference of one win. Only one win. Examine the standings closely. Washington, in first place, is several points ahead of Buffalo. Ottawa, 2nd in NE, is several points ahead of Atlanta, the SE runner up. The third and fourth place teams are about even (1 point separation at most). And the last place teams are about even (Toronto 2 points ahead of Carolina). So, if anyone wants to make fun of the South East division for being a bad team, they can make fun of the North East as well. (North Least division.) Okay, that’s mean but I’m just saying.
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There’s no need for us to make fun of anyone but ourselves when we say funny or stupid things. We’re better than that.
Obviously, exceptions are: NHL, NHLN, people on NHLN, ESPN, Buccigross, Melrose, other people on ESPN, WaPo, Tony Kornheiser, Mike Wilbon, Mike Wise, Tarik (all in good fun), Applebaum, Steinz, WaTimes now that Corey’s gone, Don Cherry, Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden, FInland, Nylander, Giroux, C. Smith, and the list apparently goes on and on.
But not the Northleast. Not just yet.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
That’s an awful lot of exceptions.
But on the Northeast/Southeast division comparison. I added the total points that all teams had. The Northeast has 289 points. The Southeast has 287. Not much of a difference here. The SE has a better first place team. The NE has a better second place team. The 3rd and 4th place teams are about even (with each other and between conference). The tail-enders differ by only 2 points.
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I’m in the camp of outlawing head shots whether by shoulder or elbow. With the hard pads these guys wear, a shoulder hit to the head can be just as bad as an elbow. Although greens hit was a penalty and dirty, I have a hard time reconciling that he could be penalized and maybe suspended but not richards.
That said, if green get suspended after koci didn’t, it would add just another log to the fire that is inconsistent rulings from the NHL. At least Colin won’t be dishing it out this time.
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 30, 2010 7:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The difference was Koci got a major and a game, whereas Green only got a minor.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
exactly. koci’s hit was bad enough to get a major/game but greens was only deemed a minor penalty. furthering the thought that if green gets a game (with no priors on his record) it will be another inconsistent suplemental discipline ruling. hitting from behind into the boards is just as dangerous, if not more, than an elbow to the head.
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 30, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
No, it’s because the bulk of Koci’s punishment was done on-ice at the time of the infraction, whereas the League could say that the minor wasn’t appropriate punishment for what Green did last night and that he should have gotten five, hence they wouldn’t be as likely to review.
They’re both dangerous plays; one was just punished that way at the time it happened.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
My understanding is that supplemental discipline is doled out ragardless of the call on the ice. There is only so much that can be done on the ice in terms of calling a penalty. The worst you cab do is toss a guy for the game. Supplemental discipline is to be a deterrent, not to correct what was or wasn’t called on the ice. My understanding anyway. As always, I could be wrong.
by dcsportsfan1 on Jan 30, 2010 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It’s not to correct anything on the ice, but it’s presumably taken into consideration when league reviews are done.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
IIRC, they did use the “call on the ice” as a reason Richards didn’t get suspended (and Coburn last year when he clipped Antropov in the face).
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
No, it’s because the bulk of Koci’s punishment was done on-ice at the time of the infraction,
i think this is flawed logic. If Green was given 5 for elbowing would that have taken care of the calls for a suspension? I can’t see how a 5 minute penalty is enough punishment if it would have otherwise warranted a full game at least.
Koci’s hit should have been 2-3 games minimum IMHO.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jan 30, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly I think it does. You could even make the same case for context in both cases (Koci’s out in a 6-1 game to presumably goon it up, Green was knocked off the puck by Stillman and was frustrated by it and/or his play in the 1st). But Koci (like Gooch and Richards) all got 5 minutes, a couple of misconducts and no supplemental punishment.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 30, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
But why exactly does that matter? He missed half a game. He deserved to miss more. Are you saying it’s ok for the NHL to punish guys more just because the ref on the ice messed up the call? If a play deserves 2 games, it deserves 2 games, regardless of whether he was given 2, 5, or 15 from the ref on the ice.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
by Rob Parker on Jan 30, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Is it me or were the Panthers trying to lay down a trap last night?
No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.
they were, and it worked pretty well for awhile, frustrated alot of our nifty passing, especially our second line
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Chimmer and chums broke through with great dump n’ destroy work, though.
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55 | 27 | 17 | 11 | 65 |
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Washington
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55 | 28 | 22 | 5 | 61 |
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