S. Niedermayer on the block?
Remember when the Ducks recently said they weren't going to trade Scott Niedermayer? Yeah, apparently they're humming a different tune now.
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I don’t quite follow how the Devils #needmorescoring and yet might be the prime suitor for defenseman Niedermayer.
IS KEPTIN NOW
Why not? I don’t even think they have Martin back yet (though I may have missed his return).
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Jan 23, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
What might D combos look like?
Green-Schultz
Alzner-Poti
Niedermayer-Morrisonn
Is Green-Niedermayer too offensive?
Ovechkin = Green Backs
I doubt Niedermayer plays with Morrisonn, because that pairing almost certainly results in too many minutes for Mo and too few for Niedermayer. I’d guess:
Schultz-Green
Niedermayer-Poti
Alzner-Pothier
Anton Volchenkov!
Volchenkov-Green
Schultz-Poti
Alzner-Pothier
pretty aint it?
Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .
by kingzman264 on Jan 23, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
We’ll wait until next year for Volcehnkov…
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 23, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
if we dont trade for Volchenkov, I would actually love to sign him in the off-season (assuming we have room after resigning Lars). Imagine the d corp mentioned above except swap Pothier (FA) for Carlson. VERY pretty.
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Niedermayer – Green (25 minutes a night)
Poti – Schultz (20 minutes a night, much PK, much time against opponent’s top line)
Alzner – Pothier (15 minutes a night)
Nieds is excellent on D. There’s no reason not to play him with Green.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 23, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is, BB has no accountability keeping players to ice time, and those numberw would end up stretching, with Nieds getting too many.
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Well, Nieds I don’t think will see Green’s PP TOI and probably similar or slightly more on the PK, so Nieds I guess finishes around 22, which should be okay, right?
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Jan 24, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
I’d think if Niedermayer comes over he becomes the Caps SH TOI/Game leader for the rest of the season, probably logging a minute and half more there than Green does now.
26:40 seems like a really high ATOI, even for someone as used to eating minutes as Scott Niedermayer is, especially if the team is setting up for a deep playoff run. I could totally see him as the SH-ATOI leader, though. I think RAL has a point about PP time, though. He probably has a less significant role on this PP unit than he does on the Ducks’.
So somewhat less PP time, highest ES time and highest SH time would be my guess.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 24, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you. Where Nieds is showing his age is in the offensive zone. He still can skate and knows the game, but the explosive jump to get into the offense seems to be gone. He won’t need that with Green. Just tell him to read the play and roam the ice watching Green’s back. He’s the best wing man Green could have.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Niedermayer is pretty far down my list of “wants” given what it will probably take to get him.
With the deadline approaching, it would be pretty cool if we could sort of re-do the trade target posts from earlier. It was a cool concept but ultimately the one-player-from-every-team restriction left them a bit unsatisfying in my opinion. Maybe instead one could be written highlighting people who are likely targets (or should be). That way there can be, say, multiple people from Carolina or Edmonton instead of one player from Pittsburgh, New Jersey, etc. Maybe during the Olympic break?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 23, 2010 1:06 PM EST reply actions
I actually don’t think Niedermayer’d be all that expensive, given that there probably aren’t going to be a ton of teams bidding for him and the ones that are don’t have a ton to offer.
Rental, he’s probably retiring (or at least not signing with Washington).
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 23, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Another thing is that the Caps can take an uneven salary trade, so Anaheim can dump salary, something very few other good playoff teams can say, if any.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Jan 23, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
DMG already addressed the potential cost – equilibrium price is going to be determined by demand here – there’s only one Niedermayer and the Ducks are looking like an increasingly long shot to make the playoffs, especially with Selanne taking another freak injury.
That way there can be, say, multiple people from Carolina or Edmonton instead of one player from Pittsburgh, New Jersey, etc. Maybe during the Olympic break?
I just don’t see GMJR being eager to make a deal with the Caps and the most likely asset he can move (Ray Whitney) is pretty redundant on our team. I’m skeptical him displacing anyone on the first two lines if Bruce wants to keep them balanced at all. The price it’s going to take to acquire Ray Whitney, plus his skill set, make him a top-six type player and he’s a sidegrade in our top-six. BMo is the creative playmaker on the third line and Chimera and Fehr are starting to gel, so I don’t see him cracking that either. Putting The Wizard out on the 4th line is counterproductive and frankly, our PP doesn’t need his help either. Our trade assets are better spent on something other than what Carolina can give us, in my opinion.
As a minor disclaimer, I’d run out and buy a red 27 ‘Niedermayer’ Jersey the day the potential trade is consummated, so I may be analyzing through a lens of wishful thinking. God, I’d love to see him mentor Green (especially Green, given how well their skating styles match) Alzner and/or Carlson, though.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 23, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Well, sure, but I more meant that the way it was done last time—posting a little blurb about one (and only one) player on each (and every) team—can definitely be improved upon now that more rumors are swirling and we have a better idea of which teams won’t be moving anyone. I wasn’t specifically saying that the Caps and Canes will swap assets.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 23, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha, I inferred that from your multiple players from Carolina comment.
We can definitely go further in depth as the trade deadline begins to loom – sounds like the backbone of a dynamite fanpost, actually. So long as whoever writes it doesn’t get repetitive.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 23, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
The Ducks have won 8 of their last 10, and are three points out of playoff position. Plus, the two teams ahead of them are Detroit (who are struggling) and Calgary (who’s in free-fall). I’m not sure they can be counted out just yet.
GUTEN TAAAAAAAAAAAAG!
Agree 100%. More importantly, they probably don’t count themselves out yet, and don’t want to send a ’we’re giving up" signal to fans and team.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Jan 25, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t count them out yet, but they’ve been awfully hot recently. I don’t expect them to keep that level of play up, especially with the injuries. The term regression to the mean comes to mind. I’ve also been expecting Detroit to get hot as they get healthy, Franzen coming back can only help them, ditto Kronwall and a bunch of other players. I don’t know enough about Calgary to comment on their situation beyond that if they fall out of contention I want Mark Giordano in the worst way.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 25, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, something else; I don’t expect Iggy to only have 2 points (both As) in 5 games going forward. He’ll snap out of it and the Flames will likely reel off some wins.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 25, 2010 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Link Evidence for the Wings
Kronwall back Tuesday, Holmstrom back this week, Lilja back soon.
I don’t think ANA is going to catch them this year.
Puck Daddy, about 1/2 way down the page.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 25, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
It’ll be tough, but the Ducks showed last year that they can keep up a hot pace down the stretch to overcome a bad start.
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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 25, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
God, I’d love to see him mentor Green (especially Green, given how well their skating styles match) Alzner and/or Carlson, though.
This.
He still can skate and knows the game, but the explosive jump to get into the offense seems to be gone. He won’t need that with Green. Just tell him to read the play and roam the ice watching Green’s back. He’s the best wing man Green could have.
and This.
That the veteran saavy and experience will rub off onto Green and Carlson/Alzner could pay huge dividends is an understatement. Whether an immediate impact will happen in the short term (this year’s playoffs and a Stanley Cup Finals appearance) remains to be seen and is worth the risk, but the long term impact down the road would be priceless never the less. I envision a similar scenario that unfolded a few years ago — particularly, the brief role that Federov brought to the Caps and the young Russians.
I’m going to go ahead and throw this one out there again. I know DMG and others have addressed the potential cost in various other threads but if, hypothetically, Niedermayer is available for the Caps come the trade deadline … who do you think Anaheim would be asking for from GMGM in return?
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"Clarence, no!" - Bobby
by Christoph J on Jan 25, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Hiller isn’t under contract and Giggy is still a bit of a risk, so they may ask for Neuvirth/Holtby. I don’t really know the trade value of Neuvirthby though, maybe that’s too much for a rental.
Ovechkin = Green Backs
by red army line on Jan 25, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
With Holtby in line and being groomed … I wouldn’t mind parting with Neuvirth. I realize the risk involved with that, what with all the question marks on Varly’s health issues.
With that said, do you really think Anaheim would trade Niedermayer straight up for Neuvirth? Maybe it’s me, but I doubt it … There’s gotta be another prospect/draft pick or two in there they would want.
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"Clarence, no!" - Bobby
I like Neuvy but would give him up to get Niedermayer. Maybe throw in a MP-level offensive prospect and/or a pick, and I’d like to think that would get it done. As long as they’re not touching Alzner/Carlson/Varly/Flash/Fehr, I can deal.
I hope GMGM does what it takes to make this happen. Niedermayer is a big square peg that fits a big square hole for the Caps. The same is true of pretty much any eastern contender, but I think the Caps have the assets to make a deal happen without giving up any of the untouchables.
Not to mention the salary space. We’ve actually got a fair bit of it moving forward. Doesn’t that feel good?
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 23, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely. Still pinching myself …
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by Christoph J on Jan 25, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
FanPost idea (for someone more knowledgeable than me): breakdown of all or most of the players that the Caps have the rights to and why they may or may not be a part of a deadline deal. Could be a pro-and-con (from the hypothetical “other team’s” perspective) type thing for each player. Example:
Brian Pothier
Pros: expiring contract, serviceable defensemen
Cons: health status is questionable, Washington may require a defenseman in return
by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 25, 2010 3:06 PM EST reply actions
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