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Recap: Caps 5, Panthers 4 (SO)

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For the second consecutive night, the Caps found themselves down 4-1 to their Sunshine State hosts before the game's midway point and yanking their young netminder for his veteran backup. And for the second consecutive night, the Caps stormed back, scoring the next three goals to tie the score.

Unlike last night, however, the Caps were able to take that momentum and turn it into two points - two points they'll gladly take as they get out of Florida just as fast as they can.

Ten more notes on the game:

  • Every time Jose Theodore has a strong outing, which this certainly was (15 saves on 15 shots against in 35:10 of relief work), you find yourself wondering whether it's the start of a hot streak. And while there's no way of knowing, of course, it certainly would be a good time for one of his tears, as Michal Neuvirth is really fighting the puck at present, allowing eight goals on thirty shots against in his last two partial games (49:49 total).
  • Jason Chimera finally had his breakthrough performance as a Cap, and it came in an 18:14 span of the second period in which he scored a dazzling goal showcasing both his speed and power, assisted on another tally, and fought (and beat) Gregory Campbell. That, my friends, is a Gordie Howe Hat Trick (the first by a Cap in the regular season since Ben Clymer on February 3, 2006, as Vogs pointed out). Welcome to D.C. (and can we get a ruling on whether or not he counts as a Cap double-digit goal scorer now?).
  • If management had any concerns about losing Tyler Sloan to waivers upon a demotion, his new contract and recent performances should put those to rest. He needs some Hershey time. Badly.
  • One night after being on the ice for six of the seven goals the Caps allowed, Mike Green was on the ice for all four goals against. By the time the game ended, Green had been on the ice for 15 goals (for and against) in two nights while skating 53 shifts. In other words, don't blink when 52's on the ice.
  • Think Brooks Laich is pressing? Consecutive nights with offensive-zone penalties (and back-to-back two-minor games) would suggest that having scored just once in his last 18 games is getting to him. Hopefully his super-clutch shootout tally gives him some confidence and he can get back to simplifying his game and putting some pucks in the net.
  • Speaking of pressing, it was good to see Alex Ovechkin score (it felt like forever - it wasn't), but he had some trouble with the puck all evening and only managed to get four of his 16 attempted shots on goal. And for all of his recent struggles, he now has seven points in his last four games. Ho hum.
  • David Steckel's after-the-whistle crosschecking penalty early in the second seemed to have landed him in Bruce Boudreau's doghouse, as he skated just two shifts the rest of the way... until Gabby needed him for a late third period face off.
  • Did Mike Knuble get screwed out of a goal? No. No he did not.
  • It may be cliche to say that the first and last minutes of periods are particularly important, but with the Caps scoring in the first 30 seconds of the second and third stanzas, I'll parrot it for tonight.
  • The Caps' power play was 0-for-1 without a shot on goal which indicates two things: they didn't do enough to draw penalties (true) and they didn't move enough while a man up (also true).

Down three goals one night after giving up seven in a loss, the Caps rallied to salvage a couple of points on this Florida swing. It may not have been pretty, but these two points count just as much as any other two, and there certainly were bright spots going forward... and one of them should be in net Friday night against the Leafs.

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Congrats Flash!

I hope the other Olympic teams are paying attention.

IS KEPTIN NOW

by EmilyB on Jan 13, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

No Love for Theo?

Theo stopped two breakaways in OT and the 4 of 6 shooters in the shootout… I would have had the stars:

1) Theo
2) Flash
3) AO

With an honorable mention for Chimera…

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 14, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

With all due respect, it’s hockey.

by Garyland1177 on Jan 13, 2010 11:05 PM EST reply actions  

I’d take down the bullet about the Knuble no-goal. Nate is backing off that picture now, as a lot of people (including me) have tweeted at him saying that the FS Florida feed showed a clear, bird’s eye replay of the entire sequence and it was never in the goal. The angle he posted must be deceiving or something.

It was not a goal, promise.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:06 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously. Enough with this screwed out of a goal crap. It was not a goal. And with a good angle it’s not even a question.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 13, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. I was pretty embarrassed for Nate when he posted that, and he even replied to me telling me I was wrong at first. But with more voices joining in, I think he understands now.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s really not “screwed out of a goal crap.” It was a question with a picture. What the hell is wrong with people tonight?

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, it’s sort of like if you posted “Did the Florida Panthers actually win tonight?”, with a link to some shady Zapruder-esque proof of a conspiracy. Sure, it’s a question, but it’s one that we can factually answer with “no”, and that should be noted if the question is asked.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless of the outcome of the goal (or the game), the fact that there was no review could still be seen as annoying, especially given the circumstances.

And, regardless, it’s another bullet against CSN’s production choices (never giving us a better view of it).

by brs03 on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong on this, but my guess is that they looked at it upstairs and saw that they didn’t even need to stop the game. I’m sorry CSN failed you guys, but it really was that conclusively not a goal.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

CSN is terrible.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 13, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is what I thought at the time – no way Knuble doesn’t argue if he thought there was a chance it was in. Whatever. Screw you guys, I’m going home.

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Knubes could be seen clearly mouthing the words “It was no goal” as he skated by the refs during the stoppage. Might have something to do with a lack of review.

by FFSEnough on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Refs do not initiate the review. This is totally irrelevant.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 14, 2010 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the refs can initiate a review if they want to.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly...

If that puck was in, Knuble would have said something and been very vocal about it. After all, he was right there on top of the play and had a great view…

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Jan 14, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

How do you know TOR didn’t look at it? I watched 2 replays on FSN FLA quickly after the whistle blew and it was obvious no goal.

A man gotta have a code

by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, the refs never went over to the scorer’s table. They didn’t have time to review it, they dropped the puck right away.

by brs03 on Jan 13, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn’t RIGHT away—as CP2Devil said, there was time to show two replays of the goal.

Isn’t a video review initiated by an upstairs official? That official could’ve seen what we saw, known that there was no point in stopping the game, and not called for a review.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be. They may have simply never called them over. But usually it takes longer than that, that’s all I’m saying. The replays they showed covered about the same amount of time as any normal whistle.

by brs03 on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And it was also enough time to say “that’s definitely not a goal”.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The refs don’t review it, Toronto does. They send word to scorer’s table if they need more time to conduct a review or need to discuss a review with the ref. It really wasn’t that hard to review. It was clearly off the post.

A man gotta have a code

by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think (and definitely could be wrong again) I remember reading that in each arena there is a replay official, who then alerts Toronto when a review is necessary.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

(not that any of this is that important, just that I made a mental note of it when I read it because I thought it was interesting, and wanted to share)

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe you are correct. My understanding is that then TOR makes the call on the review itself, i.e. whether it was a goal or not.

A man gotta have a code

by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Toronto makes the ultimate call, but I believe that either the review official or the on ice officials can initiate the review.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

thompson creek window of opportunity fail.

by twistedlogic on Jan 13, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that. You know that. It’s one bullet point. Settle.

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

But does the greater hockey blog reading population know that we all know that? At least a note or something on that sentence might be in order.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I changed the fucking bullet point. You guys win.

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t give in! Fight the power!

WWMWD (What Would Mike Wise Do)?

by brs03 on Jan 13, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Guys, this is getting pretty mean spirited.

Matt Bradley is my fucking hero, I mean he was before, but now he’s like double or something.

by Ovechwin on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

With all due respect, it’s just the number 1 NHL blog

by Garyland1177 on Jan 13, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I was at the game in Sunrise tonight, and they replayed it on the jumbotron. Vokoun managed to keep it out; it was in the crease but never across the line.

One question, though – whose fail was it that had ShaMo marked as the center for the starting lineup? It left us with three D on the ice and Chimera taking the opening faceoff – not cool. (For some oddball reason, they also had Tom Poti pose for the ceremonial puck drop.)

No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.

by gotsparkly on Jan 13, 2010 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, yeah, that was pretty crazy. BB or one of the assistants f’ed up.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Either that or one of the rink officials f’ed up and got the wrong Morrison. I think BMo was meant.

No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.

by gotsparkly on Jan 13, 2010 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Vogs: “Slight lineup snafu for Caps. S. Mo listed in lineup instead of B. Mo. So Caps must start with 3 D and Chimera to take opening draw.”

Corey (sigh): “S-Mo told me 1st time was b/c a coach put 2 Ns instead of 1 in name for starters.”

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Augh. Failure there. Thanks.

No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.

by gotsparkly on Jan 14, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually have the official lineup card from the 1/21/08 game vs. Pitt, and on it Gabby has “Emminger” and one other misspelling, iirc. Funny. But not really.

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Is it just me, or is the whole damn team trending Sasha?

by RPI93 on Jan 13, 2010 11:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

just you

Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .

by kingzman264 on Jan 13, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The whole team is constantly trending Sasha.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I am also currently trending Sasha

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Jan 14, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

As brs noted on other boards, Vogel must have been noting regular season stats, because Mike Green had a Gordie Howe hat trick against Philly in the 08 playoffs.

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20072008/GS030133.HTM

by sk84fun_dc on Jan 13, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Generally when Vogs (or other hockey analysts/reporters) quote stats, it’s regular season unless otherwise stated.

by Becca H on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, I understand that in general when discussing individual stats like goals and PIMs…for a one game feat, the way it was worded, I just thought it needed clarification, which JP added.

by sk84fun_dc on Jan 13, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone else think the cheering was really loud when the Caps got a goal?

by Gin and Tonic on Jan 13, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

It’s January and it’s cold here. I’ll bet there were a bunch of Caps fans there. Some of them even post here.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Jan 13, 2010 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

caps fans seem to be at every game… LOUD AN PROUD! love it… who knew (i have been watching for a while now, and i never thought the caps would become so widely popular)

Between Wise and warped, I choose warped.

by mrszilla on Jan 13, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I hear it’s pretty cold in FL right now too. Just saying that it was a lot of support in another team’s arena.

by Gin and Tonic on Jan 13, 2010 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

There were a fair amount in both arenas the last couple of days. The really weird part was seeing the gift shop in St. Pete Times Forum selling Caps jerseys amid all the Tampa Bay jerseys.

No Alex, no ratings. Know Alex, know ratings.

by gotsparkly on Jan 14, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, a quick Hershey update, if it wasn’t covered in the game threads. The Bears’ historic winning streak was snapped at an even dozen. The Bears and Admirals were tied at 3-all until the Ads scored the GWG with only seven seconds left in regulation.

IS KEPTIN NOW

by EmilyB on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

15 goals against in 2 games for Greenie..and people wonder why he didnt make the Canadian olympic team

by walterss51 on Jan 13, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t really wonder, and two games doesn’t tell the whole story.

Matt Bradley is my fucking hero, I mean he was before, but now he’s like double or something.

by Ovechwin on Jan 13, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Not goals against. 15 goals total. That counts goals for. The Caps haven’t let up 15 goals in the past 2 games.

Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

by Steckel Me Elmo on Jan 13, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

15 goals (for and against)

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by J.P. on Jan 13, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Stecks also won a crucial OT PK FO—sweet acronym, eh?

"My face is my mask."

by Jake Shapiro on Jan 13, 2010 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

Poor Neuvy looked shell shocked tonight. Last night the team in front of him was at least as responsible, if not more so, for his 4 goals against. But I wonder if it hurt his confidence because he looked as bad has he has since that Toronto game. Hopefully with some practice he can get that confidence back.

Glad we got Theo a win. He didn’t deserve to take the loss last night, and he definitely didn’t deserve to take one tonight.

by BradleyFightingVehicle on Jan 13, 2010 11:15 PM EST reply actions  

When I saw Laich taking the shootout, I said it was over; I thought it a bad choice. Glad I was wrong, and scoring that goal had to have been a hell of a feeling for him. Hope it helps him let up on the stress.

"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."

by gfcaps fan on Jan 13, 2010 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Hope it helps him let up on the stress.

SO goals may not count towards hat tricks, but they’ve gotta count as slump breakers right?

by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 14, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

one can only hope. I was thrilled for him when he netted that.

Kung-fu Rink Rabbit

by RedBirdie on Jan 14, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I only caught part of the third period, OT, and SO, but the OT period was a lot of fun to watch. Very spirited.

IS KEPTIN NOW

by EmilyB on Jan 13, 2010 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

Yup, wish it went ten.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats to Chimmer on the Gordie Howe Hat Trick!

"My face is my mask."

by Jake Shapiro on Jan 13, 2010 11:19 PM EST reply actions  

oh god.
ron wilson (toronto head coach) is doing drunk driving commercials now on TSN….

Official Ambassador for Nucks Misconduct.
"If Chuck Norris was up against 7 Rangers, he'd call Ryan Kesler."
GO CANUCKS GO!

by missy on Jan 13, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Sounds about right. Coaching the Leafs would drive me to drink also :P

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Is it safe to say that Neuvi left his “Velcro” back at home?
At least @ very weak goals against and quite a few long rebounds tonight.

What amazing date in history are we giong back to today, Mr. Peabody?

by dlw66 on Jan 13, 2010 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

I’ll admit that when the shootout began, I was missing our li’l cosmonaut Varlamov.

IS KEPTIN NOW

by EmilyB on Jan 13, 2010 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Varly:

Any word on how he is coming along? anyone? I agree…im glad Theo showed up especially when the Panthers had the game on their stick a couple of times…and is it just me or was Flash’s shot pretty darn sick? The goalie was in the right position all the way and looked absolutely stunned that it went in….alot of thoughts…sorry!

When my friend Robbie and I played hockey in the driveway on our rollerblades....I was always Peter Bondra

by OviWankenobi on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Great shot by Flash. Couldn’t even see where it went live, I was surprised that Vokoun didn’t stop it since he was in such good position. On the replay though you see that Flash completely sniped that top corner. Very impressive shot from in so close and the goalie in position.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Green GA stat...

does that take into account his high minutes? i mean i know that doesnt completely discount it, but if you play longer… ? no? maybe?

Between Wise and warped, I choose warped.

by mrszilla on Jan 13, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

someone cue the geico commercial …

by six hole on Jan 13, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, obviously the more you’re on the ice the more statistically likely it is that a goal will be scored (for or against) while you’re out there, but it’s still troubling. The goals against aspect at least.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

yea i mean it def doesnt excuse it, but it does seem like there is a bigger picture being missed…

Between Wise and warped, I choose warped.

by mrszilla on Jan 13, 2010 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, look at it this way. 19 total goals were scored over the two nights, not counting shootouts of course. If you’re on the ice for 15 of them, you’d have to be averaging close to 48 minutes on ice for that to be proportionate.

by sixsevenfiftysix on Jan 13, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

thats true, very curious and i would be interested to see who he was with on the ice at the time. i know shamo hasnt done that well lately with GA, to say the least. overall there were too many turnovers in tonight’s game from basically everyone.

Between Wise and warped, I choose warped.

by mrszilla on Jan 13, 2010 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely. A guy like Mike Green who plays all over the ice ends up depending on his pairing quite a bit.

Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .

by kingzman264 on Jan 13, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

if anything he should have had fewer minutes after last night. he was paired with shamo, who was on ice for all 7 last night, and i believe schultz for two tonight. schultz was a +1 though and green even. he was mostly paired with shamo and schultz, who, again, were the other guys on the ice when scored on. regardless of ice time, however, he exhibited poor defense more often than not. i’m not saying that he was responsible for them all, but he definately had a hand in it. He did try to make up for it with goals… but it was too little, too late.

Caps 'n Bears

by Bongos on Jan 14, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Despite Green’s 2 goals in the last two games, he has struggled defensively once again. Two games, 11 goals against and Green has been on the ice for 10 of them. Hope he gets back some defensive form next game.

by FORTUNA on Jan 13, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

He badly misplayed the first goal (Frolik?).

Game-Over Green? Canada-Over Carlson!

by Scott in Shaw on Jan 14, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Great job by Theo coming in to relieve Neuvy.

I definitely thought that was a goal by Knuble, so…I guess I’m equally crazy as anyone else who thought it was in.

Very nice game by Chimera.

Crappy start, scrappy comeback, two points.

And…since I basically just echoed everything he said, EXCELLENT recap, JP :) You’re brilliant, as usual.

by Becca H on Jan 13, 2010 11:34 PM EST reply actions  

Thoughts on the game from tonight, I really thought the BMo line (as it’s currently constituted) had it’s best game so far tonight. Chimera obviously had his breakout performance in a way that as much as I love Chris Clark you weren’t going to see out of him. BMo actually looked more effective all night and Fehr was doing some good work (including that snipe last night) even if he missed an almost layup that Ovie set him up on.

Maybe it was just a couple of games but I think it’s time to hand the ball to Theo until Varly is ready to go, and maybe let Theo carry it some to ease Varly back into the groove.

I think it’s very telling that Sarge had as much or more ice time than Green tonight (didn’t check final numbers). He really has stepped up his overall solid game to the point I just can’t see our top 4 D without him in it. Do I wish he could skate a little better? Sure but it’s all working for him right now.

Pothier and Poti in the last few games jumping up and providing a little 2ndary D scoring that isn’t Mike Green is very, very comforting.

All in all 4 points out of a possible 6 considering the last 2 games of the trip I’ll take it. Maybe they got complacent after burying Atlanta so bad.

by Davethecapsfan on Jan 13, 2010 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

/Agree with most things ya said

Except for Theo.
Half a game isnt enough to ‘hand the ball’ back to him. If anything it is Theo being Theo.
He has even had full games like this and then dropped sed ball the next game. It’s good to see him finally make some great saves; however, I am going to err on the side of caution:
Neuvy drops 1 rather than Theo suddenly returns to form

Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .

by kingzman264 on Jan 13, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Congrats to Chimera on a nice take away & goal. I agree, Semin had a good game despite not scoring. Great body block save by Sloan as well and a nice comeback by the team to finish the road trip.

by FORTUNA on Jan 13, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

JP, I agree with the rest of the post but there’s way too much time being spent trying to divine whether goalie X is in a streak, is hot, getting cold, etc. We can analyze their play just fine without thinking we have a better idea of how they’re going to handle the next shot or start. Besides, the play of the team has an awful lot to do with what shots they’re facing.

It all smacks of some magic stock market chart-reading ability. If someone wants to go off and run some technical analysis showing consecutive correlation then I’ll be happy to feel foolish. Otherwise I’ll just guess the medium-term moving average for save percentage is pretty stable.

by six hole on Jan 13, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

Fair points, but I think the point I was trying to make is that it’s time to ride Theo a bit more until Varly gets back, because Neuvy is showing cracks. But yeah, standard “past performance should not be used to predict future results” disclaimers apply.

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 6:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I liked this reply better.

But it’s fun to see you mean-spirited.

by six hole on Jan 14, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh. It’s all in fun (which is why you got a nice version).

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Alternate reply:

there’s way too much time being spent trying to divine whether goalie X is in a streak, is hot, getting cold, etc.
It’s one bullet point. Bite me.

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 6:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Buncha savages in this town.

"I must be hallucinating. What's a good thing for a hangover?"
"Drinking heavily the night before."

by Bald Pollack on Jan 14, 2010 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

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Gives me Jack Murder Face…

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

What’s Simon Pegg’s Dad doing there?

"I must be hallucinating. What's a good thing for a hangover?"
"Drinking heavily the night before."

by Bald Pollack on Jan 14, 2010 7:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Guy in blue hat…

“doooooooooooood….you didn’t give him that picture.”

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Jan 14, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha saw that yesterday. Love it.

It’s a ’shop though.

by mch on Jan 14, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup. Sloan tonight resembled less of the quintessential Canadian band and more of the toilet valve brand.

by Stephen Pepper on Jan 14, 2010 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

i am still not getting the sloan hate. he was on ice for 1 goal against in the past two nights of shooting gallery. he made a game saving slide tonight and played well. he was out of position a couple times, but made the plays he needed to. green is on the ice for 9 goals against, including a few he directly turned over. why no calls for pitchforks and torches?

Caps 'n Bears

by Bongos on Jan 14, 2010 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Sloan, but it’s real tough to keep pace with so many healthy scratches.

He gets a lot of heat from the spotlight, because he’s a valuable injury replacement come playoff time (pre-trade deadline anyway).

He’s theoretically competing against Alzner for a roster spot. (But unlike Alzner, he’s waiver claim eligible.) He performed well in May vs. the Penguins, so may be useful this spring — and here’s hoping — but giving a more critical view of his play now for that reason.

by Stephen Pepper on Jan 14, 2010 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If he’s having that much trouble keeping up with a lot of scratches in a row (don’t take this as me not agreeing with the statement) then he needs to be somewhere that he’ll get ice time.

by FFSEnough on Jan 14, 2010 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

And the 2 year extension basically guarantees that he can make it down to HER.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a few bad plays that miraculously didn’t end up with a goal against. In general, his performance was weak. In general, he appeared weak. He did step up on the breakaway and very likely saved a goal. Back to the weak point though — say what you will about Erskine and his myriad of problems but the Caps certainly seemed to be missing his presence as the team looked far less physical than they needed to be and lost a lot of battles along the boards. Stuff like that led to extended offensive time and easy dump and chase plays.

by sydtron on Jan 14, 2010 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree that he hasn’t matched his play from earlier this season or during the play offs last season, but, as an injury replacement, he hasn’t had the consistent play that guys need to keep their edge. especially at this level. my point is not that he is the teams saving grace, but that people the last few nights have placed a ton of crap on him, when, in my opinion it belongs in other places.
i also feel that our d is just lacking in general (old news i know). they have played more like defensive minded forwards than actual d. here’s to hoping we pick up someone physical and imposing who can actually play defense. maybe get rid of shamo, who, especially the last few nights (but all season it seems) has had a far harsher impact on our blue line than sloan.

Caps 'n Bears

by Bongos on Jan 14, 2010 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Green plays way more minutes and way more difficult minutes, and given what each player brings to the table it’s a bit ridiculous to expect mistakes by Green to be treated the same as mistakes by Sloan. Besides, I’m pretty sure Green has been called out in the recap and the comments repeatedly.

It also doesn’t help that Sloan is keeping Alzner down in Hershey.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on Jan 14, 2010 2:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Alzner wasn’t exactly wonderful in his callup recently, so I’m not convinced that applies. -4 in 9 games? Yeah.

Sloan had me screaming in frustration at him for a lot of the game, but towards the end and especially in overtime, he made some seriously sharp plays, including a flawless defense of a 2-on-1 break in the overtime that could easily have cost us the game. I’m not convinced that a consistent sweater would fix that, but then I don’t think he deserves all the crap he gets either.

Let’s face it, we’re all fans and we all have our favorites and least favorites.

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by gotsparkly on Jan 14, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Not to harp on the point, but Alzner needs to be here not because of what he can do today (I suppose reasonable minds can differ as to where he ranks on the depth chart at the moment), but because of what he hopefully will be able to do in April. And that is likely to be “more” if he’s here from January on than if he’s not.

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly what I meant with my comment about Sloan keeping Alzner down. Even if Alzner struggled a bit his last few games (and he did, but I still think he is a better regular option than either Erskine or Sloan), the people who want him in DC would rather him take his lumps now than in April. Sloan shouldn’t be a key part of the team going forward (new contract notwithstanding), so we’d rather see Alzner making (and learning from) mistakes than see Sloan keep making the same mistakes. Sloan is on a short leash because of this.

Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst

by Killer_Carlson on Jan 14, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I could see the new contract acting as a deterrent of sorts to a team picking him up off waivers iff in fact he does go down.

by red army line on Jan 14, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I suppose reasonable minds can differ as to where he ranks on the depth chart at the moment

This is true. Is Alzner ahead of Poti? Potsy? Shamo? Those are debatable. Is Alzner ahead of Sloan? Not really debatable.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sloan had the one great play that the Sloan Lobby is going to latch onto, but it’s laughable to even imply that Alzner isn’t the better hockey player today. AHL, NHL, NAIHL, JRHL, Alzner would be the better choice. Did he slip while he was here? Yeah, but that’s how a guy like him learns. Sloan is just not very good, and now we’ve made him waiver-immune so we may as well send him where he belongs. If Sloan sees anything approaching regular ice in the playoffs we will not win the Cup.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, credit where credit is due.

Giving credit where credit is due is not the same as claiming any such thing, F&B. Is Alzner better than Sloan? Yes. I simply get annoyed by this crowning of him as though he’s a god and savior of the Caps’ defense, because he’s not.

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by gotsparkly on Jan 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Where has he been crowned “a god and savior of the Caps’ defense”?

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by J.P. on Jan 14, 2010 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasn’t been, but I was hoping “top-6 best Caps D” would be sufficient to keep him in the lineup.

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Money City Maniacs FTW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tLtF8kyOQ

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

by Rather Bengt on Jan 14, 2010 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d!

What amazing date in history are we giong back to today, Mr. Peabody?

by dlw66 on Jan 14, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually know Jay from Sloan—got to know him from the record store I worked at years ago.

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

by Rather Bengt on Jan 14, 2010 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Awsome! Great band.
BTW I heard on XM today that Neil Peart’s remake of TSN’s (I think) theme song is to air today during the 2nd intermission.

What amazing date in history are we giong back to today, Mr. Peabody?

by dlw66 on Jan 14, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Now that TSN has Rush (or part of) working on the new theme song, all TSN needs now is Ricky and Julian to provide commentary.

"Hey, atta dinnin stick a who!"

by Tikkanese on Jan 14, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Trailer Park Rec

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by Killer_Carlson on Jan 14, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I always thought Jay looked kind of like Alex Semin, and therefore Verizon Center needs to play a Sloan song or two during those stops in play.

by patred48 on Jan 14, 2010 6:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Just hope that song isn’t “Underwhelmed”. I mean it’s a good song and all but….

A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.

by Rather Bengt on Jan 14, 2010 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

good stuff

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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 14, 2010 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The joke is when he awoke his body was covered in Coke fizz.

by patred48 on Jan 14, 2010 6:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I gotta feeling

Do the past two games point out decidedly which aisle GMGM should be shopping in? 9 goals for + 11 against + 1 squeeker win + weak SE teams = glaring Defensive issues. In the playoffs, there won’t be the kind of defense to allow 4 goal comebacks, especially against the stronger bluelines. A strong playoff team should only need 4 to win. We don’t need more offense.

by ZamMan on Jan 14, 2010 12:34 AM EST reply actions  

Well many of those goals can be blamed on goal tending but yeah.

by Garyland1177 on Jan 14, 2010 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed…sort of. But a hot defensive corp can pick up a goalie just like a hot goalie can carry team for bursts when needed. Didn’t see that kind of help for either net minders.

by ZamMan on Jan 14, 2010 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Right before these last two games, I had noticed that there were only 3 teams in the east that had allowed fewer goals than the caps. Looking further, there were only another 3 teams in the west that allowed fewer goals as well. 7th in the league was a really nice place to be considering our offense, and it pretty much put the poor defense meme to rest. I didn’t have a chance to post it back then, and now I’m scared to look to see if the two game performance has screwed the pooch with that argument.

by HateOffSeason on Jan 14, 2010 3:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I fell asleep when the Caps were losing and Neuvirth was still in goal.
What was up with what sounds like the JP abuse “alll night” ?

Seems I’ve got some sleepy baseless conspiracy theorizing:

Maybe we can tell who might be part of a trade based on their 6th sense crappy play:
Neuvirth
ShaMo

And people Bruce is protecting Erskine by benching him.
“he is better, but not significantly enough to play.”

Green’s not down because he didn’t make Team Canada is he? He certainly doesn’t seem determined/mad in his play either…

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by Icebat on Jan 14, 2010 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

I honestly would not mind trading Nuevy, even before this game. I think he has big trade value and I am high on Holtby.

by Garyland1177 on Jan 14, 2010 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I still think Varly is going to be a much better goaltender and all of the talk about him being injury prone due to his “athleticism” is bunk talk. He just needs to train harder and put on some mass during the off season to keep his durability up.

I don’t see any reason to trade him away yet.

Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.

by zephyr on Jan 14, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions  

If it means getting a top 2 d-man I say pull the trigger. Are we talking about the same goalie? I am talking about trading Neuvirth not Varly

by Garyland1177 on Jan 14, 2010 2:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, I know who you were talking about. I’m saying it’s not a big deal to get rid of 30 because 40 I think is the better goalie but I still don’t think it’s a good time to deal either one of them.

Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.

by zephyr on Jan 14, 2010 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Kari Lehtinen thoughts don’t creep into your Varly analysis at all?

Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.

by Rob Parker on Jan 14, 2010 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was kinda obvious that BB is playing Nuevy as much as he can before Varly heals up so he can do any or all of:
*Get him extra NHL-level experience
*See if he’s better than Theo and possibly send Theo to Hershey or trade Theo when Varly’s back
*Show him off if GMGM is considering trying to trade him for someone

by Elliotte on Jan 14, 2010 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Caps have scored in the first 2 minutes of a period 4 times in the last 4 games. I’m cool with that continuing.

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by what Juneau about that? on Jan 14, 2010 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

I’m hoping things settle back down to more “normal” hockey on Friday. I feel bi-polar watching these games.

Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.

by zephyr on Jan 14, 2010 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

don’t let anyone tell you it’s easy being a caps fan

by SeattleCapsFan on Jan 14, 2010 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow. How often do you hear the phrase “the first since Ben Clymer?”

"It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black."

by Laich It Or Lump It on Jan 14, 2010 7:49 AM EST reply actions  

Anyone else notice that immediately following the game, Chic Hernandez referring to Ovechkin’s goal as his “league leading 28th”?

Again… more evidence of how local media just doesn’t give a s#!T about hockey and they’d rather drone on about stupid drama relating to a crappy team.

by Brainumbc on Jan 14, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Either that or Chic and the writers at CSN put Ovechkin so high up they just automatically assume he leads the league every night in stats

by Brainumbc on Jan 14, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

You could repeat the statement “Ovechkin leads the lead in _”,. filling in the blank with whatever you want and probably be correct about 50% of the time.

It’s just a shortcut to actually doing 5 seconds of research I guess. Pssht… Television.. who needs research?

by Brainumbc on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Granted, they probably haven’t needed to say anything else for the past two years.

by red army line on Jan 14, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Fans in Florida..

Im sure glad that Caps fans are taking over Miami, especially when the panthers reside in Ft. lauderdale…Good call Steinnberg!

When my friend Robbie and I played hockey in the driveway on our rollerblades....I was always Peter Bondra

by OviWankenobi on Jan 14, 2010 2:27 PM EST reply actions  

They play in Sunrise, actually.

by David Getz on Jan 14, 2010 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

A suburb of Ft. Lauderdale

When my friend Robbie and I played hockey in the driveway on our rollerblades....I was always Peter Bondra

by OviWankenobi on Jan 14, 2010 8:58 PM EST up reply actions  

A suburb of Miami.

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