Rink Roundtable: Midseason (And Then Some)
[Ed. note: We had originally planned this as a mid-season post, a way to get everyone involved and to touch on some deeper issue beyond a cursory look at the team at the season's halfway point. But, for a number of reasons (including the length of the discussion), we're getting this out slightly later than we originally planned. Nonetheless, the commentary on the team's performance is all still valid, and the added quality and content was worth the wait in our opinion. Enjoy - and be sure to let us know what you think.]
DMG: With the season at its midpoint (in terms of games played for the Capitals, any way) and a new year upon us, now's as good a time as any to evaluate where the team stands; what they've done right, where they could stand to improve, and what it's going to take to bring the Cup to Washington.
To start things out, I guess the question, then, is how would you rate the team's season thus far? Use any metric you like: letter grades, scale of 1-10, plain old text - whatever strikes your fancy.
Becca H: On a scale of 1-10, I'd say this team is around a 7.82 (give or take a hundredth of a point).
Tuvan Hillbilly: Since I'm getting ready to do annual reviews at my daytime job, I thought I would grade the Caps using the same dimensions I would grade my direct reports on. Each dimension is graded on a scale from 1 (why are you still here?) to 5 (you walk on water). A 3 rating is an average rating for someone meeting the position requirements, neither excelling nor struggling.
Technical proficiency/quality of work: 4. While you have shown instances of brilliance and are doing an overall above-average job, there are still times when you make mistakes which I find puzzling and inexcusable. You have demonstrated to me that you have amazing ability, I just want to see you apply it more consistently.
Teamwork/Flexibility: 4. Kudos for your willingness to try out all sort of new combinations, but understand that the reason behind this is that sometimes your team combinations aren’t working. But when they do, you are the best. A 5 rating on your next review is definitely within your grasp.
Procedural Knowledge: 5. I know you know your job. Just don’t think you ever have to stop learning. And never, ever, underestimate the competition.
Communication: 4. For the most part you are doing a very good job, only the occasional miscue keeps you from being at a 5 level.
Attendance: 4. Just show up for every game, that’s all I ask of you.
Adherence to policies and procedures: 4. Sometimes some infractions of the rules are unavoidable, but keep committing avoidable infractions and you’ll be down to a 3 rating.
J.P.: I give the team a solid B+. When healthy, they've been dominant for decent stretches. When not healthy, they've... been dominant for decent stretches. I guess what keeps them out of the "A" range for me right now is that they haven't put together too many 60-minute efforts (it seems like one every ten days or so), have had some discipline issues that linger from last year, and haven't quite developed the closer mentality/killer instinct I think we'd all hoped they'd have by now.
But it's the regular season, and they know how relatively little any one of these games means (and still have managed to open up a 12-point division lead and posted a stellar record). Efforts like they put together against Buffalo and Jersey last week and some of the earlier wins show that this can be an A+ team, they just aren't every night, and that's probably OK... for now.
DMG: I'm more or less in the same boat as you, J.P.. I've liked what I've seen out of the team as a whole - certainly it's hard to complain about where they are in the standings, guys like Varlamov, Tomas Fleischmann, and Eric Fehr have exceeded my expectations, and the team's discipline is more under control than it was last year. That said, I'm still seeing far too many of the problems we saw last year: players not getting the puck in deep, too much fancy passing, failures to clear the defensive zone, a failure to adopt a more defensive style when protecting a lead, and tendency to coast.
All told, I'd give the boys a 'B' relative to my expectations at the beginning of the season.
J.P.: No doubt the three guys you mentioned exceeded expectations... at times. But didn't you expect Flash and Fehr to be inconsistent, overall? Didn't you expect Varly to be somewhat injury-prone?
DMG: Absolutely, but Fleischmann with 14 goals in 30 games, Fehr with 19 points in 30, and Varlamov with a .924 save percentage is better than I would have expected from them.
I've also been encouraged by the progress I've seen in how they're playing. Both Fehr and Fleischmann are more willing to do to the net, and Varlamov has cut down on his tendency to over-commit to a play and bail himself out with his athleticism.
J.P.: I'm with you on Varly, but Fehr has done little more than showing, pardon the pun, flashes similar to what he's done in the past. Take out his impressive seven-game scoring streak and he has four goals and five assists in 23 games. He needs to remember what he was doing during that hot streak (i.e. going to the net, forechecking... and backchecking), pronto.
But that's getting a bit into the weeds. Where were we?
DMG: Well, since we're hitting on the topic anyways, I'll pose the following questions: are there are only players whose play you've been particularly impressed with this season? Or, going to the other end of the spectrum, anyone who has really disappointed you?
Pepper: Fleischmann has impressed me the most. But I'm sure that my expectations for him to this point, coming off an extended health-related absence and missing training camp, were less than those of management. To a lesser extent, John Erskine has impressed me. Some nights could be forgotten, but in many others during this campaign, he's looked to me to be worth every one of those 125,000,000 pennies per season. I think he matches favorably against most other third-pair D in the league.
I was most disappointed in Chris Clark's apparent inability to grab additional minutes, averaging the fewest shifts per game of any non-Hershey call up. But that's water under the bridge now . . .
J.P.: I'll go with one of each. I've also been particularly impressed with Fleischmann. He seems to be a stronger, more willing version of himself, and that's definitely a good thing. Honorable mentions to Matt Bradley (cult hero) and Varly, who rebounded from a bad end to the playoffs and start to the season brilliantly.
On the flip side of the coin, I've got to admit that I've been a bit disappointed in Mike Green. I'd hoped for fewer mental lapses and a bit of an evolution in his game, defensively, and haven't seen it. That said, I still have the utmost faith in him getting there. Guess I'm just impatient. Honorable mentions here to Mike Knuble and Alexander Semin. Perhaps I've had unrealistic expectations on all three, though.
DMG: I share your disappointment with Green. Honestly, I wasn't expecting him to produce at the level he did last year, because that's just so far beyond what defensemen do these days, but I was expecting him to come back and play better defense. Yet, to me, he's looked worse than last year and all too often it seems like those mistakes are avoidable cases of bran cramps or being too casual with the puck, rather than the inevitable miscues that come from playing defense in the NHL.
I've been more disappointed with Tom Poti and Erskine. I know Poti's never been a top-tier defensive guy, but with his experience and the fact that he's not being asked to do a ton on offense I would have at least thought he could be a minute eating guy that I felt comfortable with, but honestly it's gotten to the point where I'm a little anxious whenever he has the puck in the Caps end and doesn't have a clear path to carry or pass it out.
Erskine looks like he has regressed to me. When the Caps first picked him up I figured he was a placeholder for the rebuild, but over the next couple seasons I thought he really improved his positioning and skating to the point where he was a legitimate NHL defenseman. To me he now looks like a guy in over his head. You know that guy you play with and say "He's a nice guy and all, but he should really be playing C league rather than B league"? To me, that's Erskine this year. He looks like he should be playing at the level below this one.
That said, his numbers are pretty darn good, even if Boudreau does protect him by playing him against poor competition, and it's hard to argue with success.
TH: I'd also pick Fleischmann as the one I'm most impressed with. Of course I'm tainted with his fantastic performance the other night, but he has really stepped up his game all season. I'm not so down on Green. He's not playing up to his potential, but I don't think he is far from it. Maybe I'm just feeling generous today, but I can't think of any serious disappointments on the team right now. I would tell Quintin Laing that I love his enthusiasm and willingness to sacrifice his body, but would prefer that he save that up for the playoffs, where it will have the most impact (no pun intended).
BH: As far as disappointments go, I'm going to single out two of my favorites: Semin and Jose Theodore. Both of them have been given multiple opportunities to step up and be The Guy, and neither has taken it. Each of them is, in his own way, an enigma both on and off the ice; both are immensely talented and often over-criticized (yes, even Theo). And while I will defend each of them ad nauseum and continue to stand by them regardless, I'm really disappointed that I haven't seen more from them.
Depending on what exactly's going on behind the scenes the team might need to add a veteran backup goaltender (Martin Biron? Johan Hedberg?). Boudreau doesn't seem to have any faith in Theo right now, and if that's the case the team needs to add someone else to mix.
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With the praise of Fleischmann, is Hamhuis for Fleischmann still fair/feasible? Cause I have a post going up on this in about 45 minutes.
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Reasonable yes. It ain’t going to happen though. And that what even before his recent string of play at center. BB would have a fit if GMGM traded his adopted son.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
But, it seems like a logical trade for both sides. Hammer is a tad superfluous on Preds, and Flash fits a big need in Nashvegas. Anyway, mainly want to make sure my post on targeting Flash is still slightly reasonable.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
It’s definitely reasonable. I have a hard time picking another roster player off the Caps that fits that trade better.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
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What do you think Flash will want as far as a new contract goes?
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what Flash will want. I’d say right now he’s definitely in the 2-2.5 range but there’s still half a season left. If he continues to step up his game it could go higher, if he disappears maybe it falls a little lower. But he’s going to have 20-30 goals as an RFA with more upside, 2.5 seems in the right ballpark.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
So let’s pretend this trade goes down as is with Flash for Hamhuis. Do you bring up Matty P from Hershey for a Laich-Perrault-Semin line or do you mix the lines up again? Who would you want to see Hamhuis paired with on the D?
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d put Hamhuis with Green, Schultz/Poti, Alzner/Potsy.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
the good thing about Dan
Is he’s good offensively and defensively. He’s a good skater and above-average puck mover, so would go well with someone slower and more defensive in nature.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m a big fan of his. I like him with Green because of his skating. Schultz doesn’t work there because he’s very vulnerable when he’s out in space. Hamhuis covers a lot more ice when Green gets caught up ice, and he can still make good puck decisions to handle all those ES minutes.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
I prefer Schultz/Green Alzner/Hamhuis and Poti/Potsy myself
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
I could do Alzner/Hamhuis but in all likelihood that won’t happen because Hamhuis will get more minutes than Alzner. Po-Po scare me, as a rule. And Schultz isn’t mobile enough to cover Green’s ass, IMO.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
I don't follow Washington closely
But it seems like Hamhuis would automatically become your 2nd best D-man?
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
2nd or 3rd. Depending on the situation Schultz may be the better option (PK for example). I like Hamhuis more than Poti, definitely though.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Hammer gets a good amount of PK time here, FWIW. Plays next to no power play, though. I think he could, we just have so many point guys he’s superfluous.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he won’t get any PP time here either. I guess I’d have to watch him more regularly to really get an understanding of whether he or Schultz is better on the PK, but just the fact that he’s reliable for a good amount of PK time is good enough.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Not to mention Poti is playing better with Schultz now than he has in a long time. No reason to break up a good thing.
As long as Hamhuis can clear a puck out of our end on a PK, I will be happy.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Fleischmann currently the leading vote getter in the poll from that post, FWIW…
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
thanks for stopping by, David, and thanks again for your input
Cogs is a bit of a sleeper option. Hasn’t performed well this year but I think he could flourish in right place.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
was not what. ugh! I swear I’m going to learn to preview posts one of these days.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s reasonable if he’s a 30 goal scorer, if only because he’s an RFA. Not to mention, if he’s the real deal at C that adds value. The rub, of course, is figuring if he is a 30 goal scorer and if he is really a C.
Now, Fehr on the other hand? Despite his gaudy pace numbers his role on the team suggests he’s much more likely to be traded, whether that’s fair or not.
no thanks on Fehr
Not a center and not as dynamic as Fleischmann. Big need for Nashville is a second scoring pivot for the PP.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
link
http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2010/1/13/1238650/should-the-nashville-predators
A bit from DMG on Flash and Hamhuis in there.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’d have to think that if Hamhuis is as appealing an asset to dangle out there, that (combined with your cap space) would pull in a helluva more than some of these modestly priced guys. You could get a more proven 2C or even make a run at one of the more expensive and looming RFAs with Hamhuis and a throw-in.
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by Bald Pollack on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
maybe so
But a couple things bear mentioning. One, David Poile is not known for pulling big midseason trades. I can’t even think of any other than Forsberg, actually. Second, the Predators cap space doesn’t really have any bearing. The ownership wants to stay at a certain level, and its way below the cap.
Finally, in all honesty, while Hamhuis is a good and sometimes great defenseman, he’s been a little overvalued in the blogosphere. Part of it may be his mediocre partner, Kevin Klein, but he’s still occasionally turnover prone. I don’t think he will bring as much as some do.
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by Chris Burton on Jan 13, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
One thing I’d like to point out is the Caps aren’t very deep in top-6 forward prospects. There’s basically Marcus Johansson (to me looking like the future #2C), Kyle Wilson, Andrew Gordon. Those last two, top-6 is probably more wishing than reality, imo (although admittedly I haven’t been into hockey long enough to see a guy develop in the minors for 4-5 years and then come up and be top-6). I don’t think the Caps can afford to give one up unless they want to use FAs in their top-6.
by red army line on Jan 13, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson and Gordon are not top-6 guys IMO. You’re also overlooking MP, OO, Kugryshev, Bouchard, and Eaken. Will all of them pan out? Doubtful. Will some of them pan out? Almost definitely.
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Sorry, going on short memory
Wilson and Gordon have gotten called up to the NHL this season and played decently.
Bouchard I’m not a believer in. When will he take that next step?
MP, unfortunately, I think is too small. He’s not a St. Louis in that he’s both super fast and super skilled, and I think that is enough to put him in a 3C spot more than a 2C.
I dunno how much OO is considered a skilled top-6. I’m under the impression that he’s projected to be along the lines of a Fehr instead of a Flash.
Yes, Eakin I overlooked. Kugryshev, well…
All in all the way the team is built, with home-grown talent, something’s gotta give. Whether that’s bringing in FAs into important spots (top-6 F, top 4D) or refusing to trade elite prospects and high draft picks, I dunno, that’s GMGM and Ted’s choice.
by red army line on Jan 13, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Eakin, MP, and Mackan are the potential top-6s with maybe OO – I think he’s destined for a Fehr role.
Kugryshev is equivalent to Flash in my mind; he seems like he’d be good enough to play top-6, but it may take him 5 more years to really take control of the spot, if it’s even there in the first place.
Bouchard is top-6 or bust, and it’s looking like the latter, but I dunno.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 13, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Kugryshev’s putting up some fairly silly numbers in the Q right now, though Coach Roy just blew up the team and traded the captain and some of the other top-scoring guys.
IS KEPTIN NOW
Great job everyone. However, I’d like to single out Tuvan for his use of the annual performance review format. Perefct way to review this specific team. Well done sir.
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spelling fail. I’m taking myself offline for awhile to regroup. My typing performance is looking like Caps defense last night.
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by Carl Putnam on Jan 13, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think I read too fast. I missed Pepper’s rating
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…oh, unless it’s “met or exceeded expectations”
"I'm not adopted and I'm not an Indian. It's just a coincidence that I have a love of gambling and booze and a knack for catching syphilis." -Jerri Blank
Right. But I should be more specific:

by Stephen Pepper on Jan 13, 2010 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is this the listing for
“Acela Club Buffet at The Verizon Center”
The $37 is right… but those other ratings… generous!
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Jan 13, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of the Pritchard Scale myself.
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“Oh, I like Byron. I give him a 42, but
I can’t dance to it.” Now, I want you to
rip out that page.
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Great read and I agree with most everything said during the round table. I think it’s pretty obvious at this point how close this team is to true greatness while at the same time being extremely ripe for another letdown if they don’t buckle up a few things.
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Considering our defense and goaltending at the beginning of the season, on paper, I have no idea how this team doesn’t get an A, 9/10, 5/5 etc.
We are having a tremendous season, and have had a better than good chance to win practically every single game.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Jan 13, 2010 12:47 PM EST reply actions
Considering our defense and goaltending at the beginning of the season, on paper, I have no idea how this team doesn’t get an A, 9/10, 5/5 etc.
Well, speaking for myself and only myself, I rated the team relative to my expectations and have them a ‘B’ – they’re doing better than I expected, but they’re not blowing me away.
I understand, I’m just surprised that anyone could have hoped for better goalie play that what we’ve seen thus far.
We saw a 20 year old Varlamov play a handful of stellar games and 1-2 crap games at the end of last year. We had Theo. To me, our goaltending looked bleak. Varly has played very well thus far, and we have every reason to believe that he will continue to play well. But goalie play is a funny thing, in that consistency is a fickle mistress. Theo looks like the Hart winner for 4 games then the next game we are screaming for Stretch.
At no point before the season started did I think we would get such great play in the crease, on the whole. Many of the big numbers against us this year were directly attributable to absolutely garbage skating, not necessarily poor netminding. Even in last night’s fiasco, I’d put very little of the blame on Theo or Neuvi.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Jan 13, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Players (not) to be disappointed in:
Being disappointed in Knuble is… misguided. He has done exactly what we wanted. He didn’t complain when he got pushed off Ovie’s line for a stint, he has been professional, a veteran, a leader, and a beast (that is to say, relative to the Caps.)
I understand being disappointed in Semin, but I’m not sure if we will ever see more than what we have gotten over the past 2 years. He’s matured into a 2 way player. He kills penalties. He looks to make the right play with the puck consistently (ie passing more). He has an active stick. And through the maturing process has not lost his scoring nose. Does he skip games? Yep. Will he skip less games as his career goes on? Who knows. Kovalevesque. Time will tell.
Being disappointed in Green…. I sadly agree. Even when he is at his best he seems nonchalant. I have a 3 degree connection to Green through friends… and heard some things about relationship problems last year during the playoffs… let’s just say I think sometimes his mind is outside of the rink. Who knows.
Theo: I lived in Colorado and watched the Avs during the ‘06-’07 season. Let’s say he’s been doing better than I expected. As in, he is wearing pads.
Erskine: He has always been slow and… bad. Not sure how you can expect too much from him.
by Bushwood Bushwhacker on Jan 13, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In fairness to me on Knuble and Semin, I believe I’d given those answers at some point last week, before the Atlanta game. I’m not sure it would’ve changed my thinking, but it might have.
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That said
I think Ovie’s game has subtly changed as well – is he becoming “Yzermanized”? That is, getting on the backcheck more and sacfrificing scoring opps, being vocal with the refs, etc. => although last night I saw bad Ovie trying to stickhandle through 3 guys a few times and give uo the puck, in an attempt to carry the team over the top.
Re Semin – I completely agree. To say you’re so “disappointed” in him that he’s your biggest disappointment on the team is saying 1 of 2 things: everyone else has been so awesome that we’re really not disappointed in anyone (that’s pretty plausible in my view), or it’s saying you have unrealistic and ungrounded expectations for Sasha.
He’s more than 1pt/g, has 19 goals in 36 games, 5th best fwd at +11.
If you’re a GvT fan (as I am), he’s the third best Fwd in GvT (and exactly the same as Nicky per game). The gap b/t him and Flash (4th) is bigger than the gap b/t Flash and Knuble (8th) on an absolute basis, and since we know he’s way out on the GvT tail, the actual gap is much larger.
He is a fantastic player, having a fantastic season (13th best Fwd by GvT in the entire league). You may not “like” him, but to call him a disappointment is insane.
But the only person who named Semin as their biggest disappointment was Becca, who specified that it was because he hadn’t been able to turn that talent into the kind of domination that makes a guy the marquee player when given the chance, which is an issue outside of his total production. She also specified Semin as one of her favorites, which is consistent with her history, so it’s really not an issue of liking a guy or not.
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Any chance you can scream this in a Connery accent Tuvan?
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"Drinking heavily the night before."
I actually prefer Gandalf’s rendition whilst facing the Balrog on the Bridge of Khazad-dûm.
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by tuvanhillbilly on Jan 13, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough Moneypenny.
"I must be hallucinating. What's a good thing for a hangover?"
"Drinking heavily the night before."
by Bald Pollack on Jan 13, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking of this today at the gym (minutes before talking to Alan May)… was Flash moved to center to open up the second-spot left wing for Kovalchuk down the stretch???
I think Mackan should be untouchable too at this point (though Carlson is of course more untouchable). No one else seems to be a future #2C. MP and A. Gordon seem to me like their ceiling is #2C, while for Mackan that’s the more the expectation (admittedly early).
I’d grade the season to date a B. Slightly better than expected, but it’s disheartening to see that to this point, the Caps are basically beating up on the SE to stay in the race for (dare I say) the President’s Trophy (and more importantly home-ice). I’d rather see them beating up on the ATL and NE like last season.
A. Gordon won’t be a NHL 2C. He tops out at 4C, IMO.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
No disappointment for Steckel?
Now let's say you and I go toe to toe on bird law and see who comes out the victor.
Give him some time with his new linemates. I think they mirror more closely what worked for him in the Pens series. Plus he can’t always being playing against soft centers. Right now he should be a C, at worse a C-.
the constant line juggling bothers me a little too, bc of the impact it has on chemistry. He’s played well with Gordon, at any rate.
The offensive production is troubling, but that FO%, and the PK time arguably slightly exceed my expectations. I’d be inclined to give Stecks a C+. Not really disappointment, just…“meh. wait and see, reserve judgment.”
I was disappointed in his boxing stance.
by DrinkingPartner on Jan 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I probably should have thrown (Shaone) Morrisonn’s name in amongst the disappointments. Especially after last night.
It’s hard for me to consider Sha-Mo a disappointment as he didn’t have any expectations of him to come down from. His play seems to be the same frustrating ball of blah it’s always been. I am surprised he has not been a career AHLer.
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
should have read I didn’t have any expectations
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by Rather Bengt on Jan 13, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Fair Value for Scott?
I’m thinking Neuvirth in a package, with a prospect and a pick for a Scott Rental is a bit too much. Not even sure I’d do Neuvirth by himself for SN as a rental given Varly’s health issues. Now if he had an intent to come back for 1 more full year that wouldmight change things. What do others think about this. Probably moot as I’m guessing he’s destined to go back to Jersey.
Unless there is some ridiculously sweet deal out there, I can’t imagine trading away Neuvirth until he gets a chance to battle out for #1 with Varlamov. He’s earned at least that much.
I agree I don’t think you trade a Goalie Prospect with Neuvirths resume for a rental. I see them going 50/50 next year with Varly getting 60% of the starts when he’s healthy and Neuvy pulling the load when Varly’s down or cold. I would put Holtby on the table though.
by realityczech on Jan 13, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Holtby has better AHL numbers than Neuvirth over their respective regular season AHL careers, right? I think trading one of Neuvirth/Holtby is okay, but there should be more players involved to even things out.
by red army line on Jan 14, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
If you get an offer for Scott Niedermayer, even as a rental, for Michal Neuvirth, straight-up, you break your arm slamming the button on the fax machine. Absolutely no question in my mind.
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by Knee high to a duck on Jan 14, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
*Get Scrappy*
Long time reader…first time poster.
I’m going with Poti/Morrison as my biggest let downs. Just haven’t seen the development needed to make me hold onto them much longer if at all. Jurcina was a close second, but someone elses headache now.
Incidentally, I’m glad the “Kovy…Kovy…Kovy..” chant is dissipataing. Undisputed talent. However, IMO would take at least a season to gel with any of our line combinations to be as effective as we’ll need in the playoffs. That’s not to say that he wouldn’t be helpful, just that he’s not what I think we need come May/June.
What I think we need is a shored up and responsible “D” corp to pick us up on the nights our forwards decide to take a snooze, which is fine if it happens in Tampa in January, but…I also don’t think that more sandpaper is needed if that translates into a pugilist. However, I do think we need more pointy elbows in front of Varly/Neuavy/Theo.
Since the playoffs are such a different animal physically, forwards tend to be the first to wilt and then it’s defense and goal tending that keeps us in it. Can we look at the two previous recent Hossa moves as exhibit “A”? He was hailed as The Answer in Pittsburgh and Detroit. We’ll see about Chicago. I predict we’ll shut him down, too. But with whom? Hammy or Scotty?
I look forward to joining these great conversations that I’ve been a silent partner in for so long!

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