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Yes, that would be right based on what I sawa last night. Sollars to donuts they want Sugden against the Rangers.
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Dunno yet, but they have a couple of guys who like the rough stuff, yes?
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Tonight’s expected Ranger lineup:
Higgins – Prospal – Gaborik
Lisin – Dubinsky – Callahan
Grachev – Drury – Kotalik
Brashear – Anisimov – Voros
Semenov – Gilroy
Redden – Rozsival
Del Zotto – Girardi
Lundqvist
I maintain that Chris Drury’s constant omission from the first line borders on irrational behavior.
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Ehh, the closest thing the Rangers had to a Nylander situation was highly overplayed players who played mediocre hockey. I can’t recall an overpaid benchwarmer in some time.
Redden is massively overpaid. Gomez was, but they somehow unloaded him to the Habs. Avery, admittedly, makes a lot more than you’d think a guy like that should. Rozsival and Green have the same salary this year.
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He’s overpaid, but not by the Rags.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
The Rangers only paying a portion of a player’s salary?
That sounds familiar.
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Admittedly, Avery brings a pestiness and has good offensive skills
by red army line on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Eeeenteresting. Suggests that Sugden will get a sweater, yes?
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Not sure about that, but it certainly is more likely than if 87 wasn’t playing.
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Why else would they keep Sugden around?
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Well, that certainly would seem to be the most logical inferrence (and the same one I’ve made a couple of times). But it’s also possible that he doesn’t dress tonight and Bruce wanted to keep him on hand for Sunday just in case something unkosher goes down tonight.
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What would be the purpose of Brash going toe-to-toe with someone tonight? I imagine that Sugden will be looking for it, but if I was Brash I wouldn’t give an ECHL’er the chance to earn his stripes at my expense.
Right – Brash wouldn’t fight him, Bruce knows this and wouldn’t dress him, so he doesn’t dress. But he’s here until post-game in case something happens and he’s needed for Sunday.
Of course, there is Voros…
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Well, part of the Code is that established fighters are supposed to give up-and-comers a chance to show their mettle (check my spelling, G.O.D.). I don’t know if that applies in the pre-season or not.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Not sure about that, but it certainly is more likely than if 87 wasn’t playing.
I read that and logged on to TSN to see if the Rangers acquired Crosby. Man, it’s been some time
by red army line on Sep 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
On Rangers getting Crosby. Peerless Prognosticator ran a series on what would have happened if the Caps hadn’t won the Ovi Lottery. They had the Pens ending up with Ovi and Malkin ending up on the Black Hawks. The following year, Crosby was drafted by the Rags.
Yes, I can think of one thing worse than Crosby on the Pens and that is, Crosby on the Rangers. Can you just imaging the hype and how obnoxious the New York writers would be. (This is coming from me, a die hard Penguin hater. But I can’t stand any of the NY teams either, in any sport.)
Yeah, I read it. Scary stuff. The Caps would still suck.
by red army line on Sep 25, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I meant which ever one of those guys was holding out into training camp.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Right. Dubi. He signed over the weekend, I believe. Tonight’s his first game.
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2 years, $1.9 per I think.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 24, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Mmmmmm Dubi. Is it wrong for me to dream of a line with Brent Burns, Mike Green, and Brandon Dubinksy on it?
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I notice they bench Staal with Semin coming to town…
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What's NHLN-CA
The Caps website says tonight’s game is on NHLN-CA. Anybody know about that and if it can be seen down here?
It would appear you can stream it in the usual areas, and MSG is showing it also.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 24, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks, BP. I just checked and for those of you who get the regional sports channel package (mine’s on DirecTV) it appears MSG is in fact airing tonight’s game. Hopefully, it won’t be blacked out locally.
Does this mean that CEnter Ice might have it?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
The Chicago game last week was televised on CSN-Chicago and was not blacked out here last weekend so I assume its the same for this one. I watched the Rangers/Bruins on MSG with no issue last weekend as well.
This Sunday’s game is also scheduled on MSG so here’s hoping its the end of Jumbrotron viewing for awhile.
Course, as a DirecTVer myself, there is that pesky little opening night issue which saddens me immensely.
So, the battle at this point shapes up to be:
7 veteran defenders on the roster at the moment. The race to dethrone one or carry eight is between Alzner, Sloan, and Collins. The former and latter seem unlikely to stay with the big club at this point – it now looks like Sloan is either playing for Erskine’s job or trying to convince the team to carry 8, with the second of those options unlikely given the injury situation up front.
Educated guess – The team decides to carry seven. Alzner and Collins are reassigned to Hershey, and one of the roster defenders.. likely Erskine, is released.
10 veteran forwards on the roster at the moment, with an additional 2 to likely hit IR and one chained to the team suite in VC. Beagle, Bourque, Giroux, Aucoin, and Laing are fighting for 2 starting positions and one backup, assuming the team decides to carry 14 forwards. Should they only carry 13, the backup position is not available. Of these, Laing is currently shining brightest and, pending the results of the home-and-home with the Rangers, seems well slotted to take the checking line position. The remaining four are likely fighting for the third line position alongside Steckel and Clark. Giroux has failed to impress, and Bourque is unofficially day-to-day recovering from his hit, so all eyes should be on Beagle and Aucoin as the two likely scrapping for the role.
Educated guess – The team decides to carry 14 forwards. Aucoin sticks around until Fehr is ready to return. Laing remains on the checking line for a while. Bourque starts as a healthy scratch, but is brought in for a half-dozen games or so before Flash is back as well. Beagle and Giroux are the odd-men-out for now.
3 goalies vying for two spots. Not much here story-wise.
Educated guess – Varlamov hasn’t played himself out of the position, so he’ll share starts with Theodore. Neuvy returns to Hershey and continues to dominate at that level, remaining there pending an injury with the NHL club or a freak trade opportunity regarding Theo. Either way, the two kids will be in Washington next season.
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Assuming I haven’t botched my math, or forgotten a caveat of the players’ contracts. (Such as Beagle’s reassignability, any consequences for releasing/waiving certain players, etc.)
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Erskine’s got a 2-year contract starting this year, can he be simply released?
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
no, the Caps would have to buy him out, and I’m much to lazy to page through the CBA right now and see if the window to do a buy-out for this season has passed.
They wouldn’t have signed him to an extension to buy him out. If anyone gets bought out it’s Juice because it’s a cheap one year deal. More likely is a trade for a bag of pucks or a 7th round pick.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
My only beef with this is that Erskine is the closest thing the team’s got to an NHL tough guy, and he’s a pretty effective D-man, at least recently. I almost have to look at Milan Jurcina first.
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I agree. My armchair GM self thinks trying to trade Juice from picks makes the most sense, if you want to keep Sloan up as the 7th D man.
I think they’d happily carry 8 D, but Nylander simply prevents that from being an option, and of the seven defenders they’ve got now, as much as I like Erskine myself, if I had to envision a scenario with GMGM simply parting ways with one of his seven, I think it’s Erskine. Yeah, Jurcina is a close second on that list, but I think they view Jurcina as possibly matching Erskine’s physicality (see the playoff performance) but also having slightly more offensive awareness.
I don’t know. This isn’t an easy decision, or we wouldn’t be agonizing over it. =)
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So, that begs the question. Does Sloan, based on his play last season and in camp this year, constitute an upgrade over either of these guys?
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I don’t even know if we’re allowed to “release” Erskine, and frankly, why release a guy you just signed, especially when he’s not your worst defenseman.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Sep 24, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually wasn’t 100% versed on the contract situation with Erskine, simply knew from history that he seemed to be the seventh guy by trade – but I’m quickly getting the consensus vibe that he’s sticking around. =)
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Yeah, I think the only reason Erskine’s the 7th guy is because of his skillset, not because of him being the 7th best d-man. I’d take him above Juice and Mo, at this point, and I’m of the opinion Sloaner should make the team.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Sep 24, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
While I don’t think he’ll stay with the big club it’s my duty to remind you that Perreault is still in the picture.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I’m not head of the Perreault Lobby for nothin’.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I get the sense he’s being groomed for a C position, perhaps Morrison’s given the guy’s age, or as first call-up in the event of a playmaker injury. I’m not convinced he has room here this year because I’m not sure any of the four centers (Backstrom, Morrison, Steckel, Gordon) will be moving to wing.
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Hmmm. Well, at least for now there are two slots open by my count, and Bourque may not be able to start the season. I suspect Laing gets one – it’s now a question of who gets the other.
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I hope Chris is okay. Zero word on him yet?
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I don’t think MP gets it but the fact that he wasn’t sent down today indicates BB wants to see him play with the big boys a little bit more.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
You see the team getting rid of Erskine? Even after the 2 year extension he signed last season? Erskine’s play improved dramatically the moment he signed that contract.
He’s cheap, hits hard, and has a hell of a lot of grit that this team is lacking as a whole.
I’m fairly out of the loop as to how a team ‘releases’ a player, but I’m pretty sure they can either buy them out, trade them, or send them down to Hershey hoping they’re picked up on waivers. It’s already too late to buy out for this season, which only leaves the other two options, neither of which I see happening myself.
I’m betting the top 7 stay as they are and maybe the team carries Sloan as the 8th.
Yeah, Erskine won’t be cut, especially since he brings a skillset to the team that is in short supply.
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Then I take it you two think Sloan is running the waiver gauntlet? (He’s out of the free pass zone, right?)
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I think a move is still in the offing. I would have no trouble with Sloan in Juice’s spot.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 24, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Juice. I really want to see what he can do under Bob Woods. I could be overly optimistic there – it could be more of the same – but he’s still got considerable upside, imo, that Sloan does not have.
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I like Jurcina. I just wish he’d learn to put that howitzer of his on-net. (Has that happened with any regularity during the preseason?)
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He’s in the running to try to be snuck through waivers if they don’t want to carry 8 D, yes.
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He would have no trouble coming up from Hershey, right? Assuming so, Sloan is your long (very long) term injury replacement and Alzner/Carlson are your short term call ups.
I think Sloan would have to clear re-entry waivers, but I’m not positive. (re-entries are how the Caps nabbed Lil’ Kronwall last season)
And this is why I maintain I’m terrible with this stuff.
Do re-entry waivers only apply when you start with the NHL team, or does it not make a difference? I was under the impression that re-entry only came into play after you’ve been sent down once. Don’t ask me why.
If you look in the Vault, I think there’s a copy of the CBA linked there. All of this stuff is answered in the CBA.
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No, he would. He’d have to pass through waivers going down and again coming back up.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Sloan has to clear waivers. However, Sloan should qualify as a minor league vet as defined in the CBA based on the number of games he has played in the NHL, AHL, and ECHL and the number of games he spent on the NHL roster last season, which means he is exempt from re-entry waivers.
What amazes me ...
Last October when Sloan was called up, we were all like, “who?”
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I don’t know about that – last August, Bruce said “You’ve got Alzner, Lepisto, Cutta, we like Tyler Sloan a lot. They are four guys under NHL contracts vying for a spot among the seven D.” [Emphasis mine] So he was definitely on the radar.
But I will note my own doubting of his prospects of being an NHLer from last August:
[Y]ou know who thinks the Caps have a handful of AHLers who might be ready for NHL duty? The guy who coached ‘em in the AHL (and who now, not coincidentally, wants to make sure everyone earns their spot on his NHL roster, regardless of where he was drafted or how many kudos he’s received)…. Will we see Tyler Sloan patrolling the blueline at the Verizon Center this winter? I have my doubts, but we shall see.
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He sure made an impression on me with a splash when he got called-up in Calgary…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOo1mTad0Jc&feature=PlayList&p=1C7CC849A50EB73A&index=0&playnext=1
Kind of sad (I know it’s the smart play) that not a single Cap came to his defense…
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You never know what could have happened if they had, though. My guess would have been a mis-given Instigating to a Cap.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But then the Caps wouldn’t have gotten that nine-minute PP they did so much with. Oh, wait…
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That still makes me mad. :P Refresh me, but aren’t major penalties “score at will” meaning that the penalty does not expire if the other team scores on the PP?
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Correct.
A player who receives a major penalty will remain off the ice for five minutes of play during which his team will be short-handed. A major penalty will not end if a goal is scored against the short-handed team.
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Hey, who knew? Those yokels in suits behind the player’s bench know a thing or two.
(Nobody tell CI.)
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No, I know more because in my xbox version of the game I traded for Luongo and Neidermayer and Chara and then I went 77-2-3 only turning the game off because I was losing four times (they were all times the computer cheated so it was okay, though).
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by David Getz on Sep 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What are you doing on here Mr. Milbury?
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on, Milbury isn’t that stupid. You’d have to throw in Parrish and Kvasha along with Sloan in order to get Chara, Luongo and Special Nieds. Gotta make it even.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Sep 25, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, my Be A Pro on PS3? First 8 Hershey games went to shootout, and we won all 8. It was crazy! I really need to learn how to score goals, they were almost all 0-0 or 1-1 games. XD
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Took me 7 games to score a goal in Be a Pro (as a defenseman). Then that same season I won the Richard (admittedly this was on the second difficulty).
by red army line on Sep 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave up on NHL09 BAP. No matter how well I played, the teams (HER and WSH) would lose. I made it through a 25-50-8 season or something around there and half of the next one and quit. That mode was hard as shit. I was playing All-Star, but that shouldn’t have made that much difference, i wouldn’t have thought.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
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