Caps Make More Cuts
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hmm
Interesting, Bouchard doesnt get a game and Carlson goes.
Guess Karl got another chance.
To be fair, Karl is only good because he’s skating with Green.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why yes, yes there is.
"Sometimes life leads a $100 bill on your dresser, and you don't realize until later that it's because it screwed you."
by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Helps to read down before posting!
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
CLED
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
any chance this move is also about alzner. show him a little love and take away some pressure to keep up with carlson or try to change his style?
I’d be surprised. I don’t see the need to carry eight defensemen and I think they’ll want some roster flexibility up front.
Maybe they’ve got a trade lined up, but are waiting to see if Sloan craps the bed (to put it crassly).
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s possible – marks4java points out why below. Sloan is much cheaper than Mo; they may be waiting to see if Sloan can handle the same assignments as Mo, and if he can, then they may deal Mo.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Why would Sloan have to replace Mo? It’s more likely that if Mo were to leave, his role would be filled by Alzner, Pothier, Erskine or Juice. Sloan could benefit from a Mo trade, to be sure, but he’s not a subsitute for Mo in such a scenario.
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I was thinking Juice, personally, when I said that above.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
So was I when I read it
Jurcina would be a pretty expensive 7th defenseman.
‘Course, trading Morrisonn could mean Schultz being paired with Green (Gabby’s already mentioned Schultz as trying to get back the top four and Schultz has had a good preseason thus far), which would open a slot for Sloan down the line as things got reshuffled.
No? Seems like he could be to me. IF you look at his numbers last season, he posted comparable numbers. Are you thinking of Mo being top-2?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Sloan’s numbers were good, but in limited minutes. There’s simply no way he’s a top-four NHL D right now, which is what Mo’s role, salary and, perhaps to a lesser extent performance say he is.
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I don’t entirely buy performance, but salary-wise yes. Do you think limited minutes comes from lack of need or lack of ability?
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Probably some of both.
Morrisonn is being severely undervalued in this thread. If the Caps and their scouts thought that Tyler Sloan was a reasonable substitute for him, they wouldn’t have signed him to a ~$2m deal this summer.
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Maybe I’m not a big Mo fan :)
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
That’s fair, but you’ve got to acknowledge that what you or I think of him matters little relative to what GMGM et al. think of him.
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Much like 40 is the new 30, 26 (Mo) is the new 55 (Schultz). We’re setting trends…
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by J.P. on Sep 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL. I was a big Mo guy prior to last season. Not sure what the deal was with him last year. It seemed to be a mental thing. I believe it was a one year thing.
I think people tend to forget all the little stuff he does right that has allowed Green to jump into the play. It’s a lot of pressure to be the stay at home guy in a tandem like that.
Sloan isn’t replacing Mo, he’s replacing Erskine as the 7D. Everyone else moves up a slot so it really depends on how well GMGM thinks the 5D can play Mo’s 4D role. Then you look at the savings of having Sloan on the roster instead of Mo and compare the relative drop in play. Sloan and Mo are not the only parts to this equation.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I didn’t seriously think that Carlson was going to be ready this spring, though I had some hopes.
Is everyone who was on a Hershey-only contract now gone?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
He’s the only one? Interesting. I don’t remember him getting into a game yet. I wonder how serious of a look he’s getting. Serious enough, evidently.
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I tend to doubt it, b/c the team would have to use their last remaining contract (of the 50) on him. Maybe they want to give him a game for sentimental reasons (his father, from what I understand from a comment in another thread, is pretty sick).
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nods Possible. It also occurs to me, given McPhee’s comments about calling up an enforcer if they need one, that they might be looking at him for that sort of duty.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I think she meant signing him and then calling him up.
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This. They’ve done that before.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I know, I just don’t see them using their last contract space for a guy they’re going to call up for a handful of games.
With this, I agree (which I guess means I’m agreeing with you agreeing with me).
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Depends on whether there’s a deal brewing under the table. Never know with GMGM.
Whoever said “never play poker with George McPhee” was more right than they know.
No, I agree that it’s unlikely based on what we know right now. I just don’t think we have all the pieces to finish this puzzle.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Depends on whether there’s a deal brewing under the table. Never know with GMGM.
If a deal happens and the team goes to 47 or 48 contracts I could see it. But regardless of personnel changes I don’t see it when they’re at 49.
That’s my point – a deal could happen that takes them down by a couple of contracts. We just don’t know what they have in mind, so we don’t have all required information to solve this equation.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
using their last contract space
SDR is back in juniors — isn’t the team back down to 48?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
A contract doesn’t count when the player is in Juniors?
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s my recollection (but I’ve definitely been wrong before)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure J.P. said that in a comment to me recently. Natty…
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Huzzah! It’s in here. Sorry, you gotta scroll.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Also possible. GMGM’s comments did leave that door open, so maybe they want to see if this is the enforcer they want, should they need one. Of course, you’d think that would mean actually playing him, but who knows.
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Not shocking. I think Alzner will be returned to Hershey as well, and if Sloan continues his stellar play, maybe Mo will be dealt. Sloan would be much cheaper than Mo. Alzner will start in Choco-town, and be recalled upon injury.
I think your implicit assumption that GMGM could deal Mo if he wanted to is a bit off – if he could, he would, regardless of Sloan’s play.
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Really. I never thought Mo was a definitive cast-off, but more on the bubble.
If he can’t deal him, then waive him.
Waiving Mo is terrible asset management, which is one of the most imperative jobs of a GM in the cap era. He’s still a young NHL-reliable D that is RFA after this year, even if he thinks he deserves more cash than we think he does.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
He hits 27 this December, I think that’s the threshold for UFAs.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you for the “NHL-reliable D” comment. He’s not great but reliable and still with a bit of untapped potential I think. I remember that game last year against Nashville. He was an animal. If only he could bring that every night.
Guys like Juice, Sloan, Collins are a dime a dozen. Erskine has the toughness so I wouldn’t put him quite in that category, at least for the Caps.
by next american idol on Sep 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, if he is going to move someone it will happen regardless. But the longer Sloan and Alzner stay the better the chance of a trade. If GMGM and BB know that the 7 guys from last year are all staying then I would expect them to cut the other guys.
Yeah – dealing ShaMo is the slightly less rose-colored-glasses version of dealing Nylander. It’s not that he doesn’t have value, but do you really think that contract will move, and who is going to be willing to take the cap hit and give up draft pick(s) slash prospects?
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Well if that’s true (that he wouldn’t be worth any assets), then waive him.
At the very least you’ll get the cap flexibility.
If only we could do that with No Movement Michael.
George is not waiving Mo. Just isn’t….he’s our version of a top four defensive Dman, and they aren’t in huge flocks in our organization.
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Aaaaaaand the “Carlson-is-ready-now” Fan Club comes back to earth with a collective thud.
by fat_daddyo on Sep 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Indeed. I don’t see this is a huge blow however. I’m thinking we see him back up sometime mid-season. Maybe Dec/Jan. Any predictions when he may get the call?
by Laich It Or Lump It on Sep 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carlson progresses at the rate he did last year, he’ll be up here by the playoffs, simply because the AHL will have grown weary of his feats.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think he’s a late season call-up? I was projecting him more along the Alzner time line.
by Laich It Or Lump It on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carlson sees time in D.C. it’ll likely have as much to do with injuries in the organization as his development.
Yea, especially if last season is our guide.
by Laich It Or Lump It on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If Carlson progresses at the rate he did last year, Green won’t be the hands-down #1 in the organization. His rise through the ranks since the draft has been meteo-ic.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa there, drinkin’! are you calling out a Fifth Gun? I can’t say I agree…yet.
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I admit so. I have to say there’s something about the way he carries himself on the ice that makes me think it’ll happen sooner rather than later.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If we are taking nominations for a 5th gun how are we forgetting the goalies?
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
David Steckel threw his hat in the ring.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Rejected. He’s already 27 and notwithstanding the MVC poll he’s replaceable.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
You’re 0 for 2 on my snark today. Let’s get back on the same sleep cycle, shall we?
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit BP. I should be expecting it from you.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
No worries. We’re all in preseason brother.
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by Bald Pollack on Sep 22, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Perrault. He’s going to be our little Jiri Hudler.
And I keep getting this nagging feeling that he’s just about our only forward prospect with real NHL offensive potential (2009 draft picks aside).
by next american idol on Sep 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you trying to take over the Perreault lobby or something?
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Yes, yes I am! And I’ll even learn to spell his name right.
I’m way too judgmental (as many former girlfriends have told me) but I just feel like you can throw Beagle, Bourque, A Gordon, Joudrey, SDR, etc. into a hat and they’ll be about the same. Valuable players to be sure but not much upside and pretty easy to find for less than $1M (R Neidermayer excluded I guess).
by next american idol on Sep 22, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I think SDR is a little different from the other guys because he’s a pest, not a grinder. It’s a subtle but important difference. I think Borque may still have top 6 talent, but I’m with J.P. that Chris Smith probably doesn’t. I’m excited about Perreault but I don’t think he’s ready this year, I’m not sold on him being a legit 2C (I think 2W is more likely), and I think he’d need to take a huge stride forward to be in the same class as the Young Guns (and Carlznerson/Varlavirth).
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I agree that he’s unlikely to ever be a YG and needs more seasoning in the minors. But I’m rooting for the guy. I think it in part goes back to the Hudler draft when I was really hoping the Caps would draft him. He went one pick before the Caps in the second round of the 02 Draft. Luckily we were still able to draft Maxime Daigneault. And it was a pipe dream anyway — that was back in the day of we only draft 6’/200lb+ guys from the WHL.
by next american idol on Sep 22, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Last night...
…Carlson looked a bit out of his element. He played ok in stretches, but he did get caught out of position, especially when he was out there against some of the Sabres’ top players. He wasn’t on for a goal and recovered well, but he’s still not quite ready.
He’s got plenty of time to get to the NHL. He’s still 19 for crying out loud.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Contrary to what my comments may look like up above, I don’t think he’s ready right this second. But, again, if he follows a similar upward trend that he has the past 2 years, he’s likely to be NHL-bound for the playoffs.
Well, maybe not likely, but he’ll be a tough decision in April.
by DrinkingPartner on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no doubt he gets 10-15 games minimum, and depending on who gets hurt (sorry, it’s gonna happen), another 10-15 is realistic. The Caps certainly won’t allow him to play enough that we lose that eligibility year, irrespective of injuries.
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Getting him 10-15 just for the sake of getting him 10-15 would require roster shuffling that might not be feasible. Depending on how the season goes, he might be an injury call up but now I’d have to think he’s behind/in competition with Sloan, Alzner, and Collins for that role and I don’t see him beating all of them.
Do injury call-ups have to pass through waivers? I know there’s an exemption for the guys on rehab assignments and after trades, but what about the guys who are replacing guys that are injured? I thought that they had to pass through, but I’m far from an expert on roster movement.
If they do, sneaking a guy like Sloan through waivers may not be as easy in the middle of the season, depending on league-wide need for a third pair D, because of injuries or what have you.
I definitely see Alzner coming up before Carlson, though. He has prior NHL experience and I feel like he’s closer to being ready for full-time duty.
by Knee high to a duck on Sep 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They do pass through waivers. The injured guy gets exemptions to do rehab — the healthy replacement does not.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Sep 22, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree with your assessment that his playing time is more heavily predicated on injuries than anything else, especially before rosters expand. Part of it hinges on the specific player who goes down, to be sure.
I can see a trade on our blueline impacting the pecking order as well.
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Oh he’s close to being ready… just not yet. We’ll see what happens when some injuries occur. You know the Caps are not going to go through 82 games with no defensemen missing games. The nature of the sport, and the fact that two of the top four defensemen are over 30.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Sep 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we played against some of the cut people today.
Argh. My inline team got annihilated.. 9999-1, or some such.. they just stopped keeping score after a while.
(Yes, I had the only goal! Pyrrhic victory, sick one-timer, or both? You decide.)
I assume all of the above names are safe to return to the system, since the verb used was reassign?
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Not sure about Bacashihua, but I’m thinking they all are safe.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Sep 22, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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