Top 5 Wings in the NHL
- Ovechkin
- Nash
- Kovalchuk
- Iginla
- Semin
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Fehr and Balanced
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I read through the PPP post on the sidebar and I want something to talk about while SBN fixes the Cap Clips commenting. Someone’s gotta disagree with something on this list right?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 1, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Iginla is 2 and Nash drops to 4.
by red army line on Sep 1, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Iginla, don’t get me wrong, but he’s on the tail end of his prime and the rest of the guys are getting better. Nash got the 2 spot because he is a stud on the PK, something none of the other guys can claim.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 1, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Parise had an outlier-type year and that he’ll revert, Gionta style? If not, I think you could make a case for his inclusion here based on his durability and production.
by Knee high to a duck on Sep 1, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea, all I know is I can’t wait to see what happens to him should Jacques Lemaire think its 1996 and the trap is all the rage.
by RedBirdie on Sep 1, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Parise had an outlier of a year; I think he’s legitimately a very good player and you can definitely make the argument for him. I am curious to see how he’ll play with Lemaire back behind the bench but allegedly Lemaire isn’t going to pull him back. I think a couple more years of production like that will give Parise a much stronger case to get on the list but at this point I’m not sure I can push Semin off for Parise.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 1, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 4 NHL seasons, Parise has played 81 games twice and 82 games twice and while he’s not producing at the same clip on a per-game rate as Semin is, he’s not that far off, either. He was a +30 this season and a +13 the season before that, although how much of that is the Devil’s system and how much was Parise being awesome is up in the air for me.
He was a legitimate Hart contender last year and Semin could be if he could put that whole season together, as you pointed out in the Kovalchuk thread, we have yet to see it.
Plus, Parise only had 24 PIMs last year and that’s not an outlier. I’d be much happier with 28 if he could bring his PIM down to his sweater number.
by Knee high to a duck on Sep 1, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a huge fan of Parise, and I could see putting him ahead of Semin easily. Maybe it’s because I watch Semin more or maybe it’s because I hate the Devils, but this is the list I came up with.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Perry is no slouch either.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 1, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s a fine player and a total dirtbag, but he’s not close to top 5 in the league.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 1, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Getzlaf makes that line run
by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
these data suggest that’s not necessarily the case.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely counterintuitive that Perry does better (by these numbers) when he’s not playing with Getzlaf.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. At even strength, Getzlaf’s GA/20 suffers more than Perry’s when they are apart (Perry’s GA/20 rises slightly from .862 when together to .946 when apart, while Getzlaf’s climbs to 1.084). At ES, Getzlaf’s GF/20 drops slightly from 1.091 to .994 when they are apart, while Perry’s GF/20 actually rises to 1.419. Granted, there are relatively few minutes when apart to compare, but the thrust of RAL’s comment, “Getzlaf makes that line run” is where I took issue.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’m agreeing with your numbers and to an extent your conclusion. I’m just saying it’s counterintuitive because everyone assumes Getzlaf is the engine.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t see the stats. But that’s what my eyes tell me, or at least Perry is a true sniper, not necessarily creating his own opportunities like Ovechkin but a great finisher. I do think if Perry and Getzlaf are separated for say, a season, Perry would suffer more than Getzlaf. Getzlaf, from what I’ve seen (admittedly a dozen games or so) is always dominant, always involved. But those stats do carry some weight.
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by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concur with you on Getzlaf—and with F/B’s ranking of him as a top 5 C.
C. Perry plays a very aggressive (and, at times, over the line) game with a big body, and creates his own chances on the wing. Not quite as statistically prolific as Semin, but I would love to have him if 28 gets out of his stratosphere come contract time.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come to think of it, those stats suggest Getzlaf isn’t the sole reason for the line’s success, but doesn’t prove anything really. Perry could elevate his game playing with other players.
Did I knock on Getzlaf? He’s easily top 5 C in my mind.
by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, the data show that, as a duo, they are lethal, every bit as imposing as 8-19.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every bit? That’s a stretch. But yes, they are formidable.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say so. Getzlaf’s game at the pivot is pretty physical to boot—a very difficult player to defend.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he is. But AO is the top goal scorer in the league 2 years running, and just as much a physical beast. AO and Backstrom are the 2nd and 9th highest scoring players in the league. Getzlaf and Perry are 6 and 34 (and Getzlaf was 3 only 3 pts ahead of Backstrom). Perry had 32 goals, good for 23rd in the league. Getzlaf had 25, good for 60th. AO matched their goal scoring almost by himself so Backstrom’s 22 goals are basically all gravy. Throw in the fact that those two idiots in ANA put their team in bad spots far more than AO and Backstrom do and I think it’s AO/Backstrom by a healthy margin.
OT, but Corey Perry is the Western Conference Scott Hartnell.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s high praise for Hartnell, whose upside is dwarfed by Perry’s, but I see the antics comparison. Battle of Cali had an interesting take on that.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 2, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I read that, BoC is good stuff. I agree Perry has more upside but Hartnell does that job very well and has pretty decent scoring touch.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was interesting that Getzlaf and Perry came up through the bottom line together—that’s a hella 4th.
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by bigonetimer on Sep 3, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I actually watched them play together when they were in Portland (against the Tim Thomas Providence Bruins, no less). They were clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the players but ANA had them playing 4th line minutes and wanted them to see more ice time.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 3, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify- is this F&B’s opinion, or someone else’s?
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by crabchowdah on Sep 1, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All me.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generally agreed, F&B, though I put Iginla above Kovy for the completeness of the player. I think Ilya is the top forward amongst the “purely offensive” forwards, with Semin second.
I might overvalue grit and defensive skill, but I find a way to put Zetterberg on this list, and I think Semin is the casualty.
OV, Nash, Iginla, Zetterberg, Kovy, honorable mention Semin.
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by winterion on Sep 2, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Though I have heard good arguments for Semin’s defensive prowess.
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by winterion on Sep 2, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got Hank on the C list. He’s a great player but I’m not putting him on both lists.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last two seasons I think Dats, not Hank, has been playing wing on Datsyuk-Zetterberg-other
by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They switch around a lot but Babcock prefers to play them at the 1/2C from what I can tell. He will move Hank to wing but normally he likes him at C.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, with Hossa in, they were split. But remember Datsyuk-Zetterberg-Holmstrom? Datsyuk was always lugging the puck in on the wing, playing D on the wings, while Zetterberg took draws and stayed generally in the middle.
by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the 5...
…but not the order:
1) Ovechkin – naturally
2) Iginla – he’s the complete package, like Ovechkin
3) Nash – Great hands…
4) Kovalchuk – Great offense, defense is suspect
5) Semin – Would be #3 if he could play 80 games in a season…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Sep 2, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t argue moving Iginla up. He’s an awesome player. He’s 32 though and just lost his best offensive teammate. Not that I’m looking at it from a fantasy perspective but I think Iginla has played his best years at this point.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Sep 2, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ovechkin’s not the complete package, but he so good in some aspects that it makes up for, say, his at-best slightly-above-average defensive smarts.
by red army line on Sep 2, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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