No Need to Adjust Your Set: Alex Ovechkin is This Good
by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 7:20 AM EDT
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Way back in 1982 - before many of you were born, I'd guess - Dennis Maruk set the Capitals franchise record for points in a season with 136, a mark that stands to this day. Here's a quick look at the Top 10 single season point totals in team history:
| Player | Season | GP | G | A | PTS |
| Dennis Maruk | 1981-82 | 80 | 60 | 76 | 136 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2007-08 | 82 | 65 | 47 | 112 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2008-09 | 79 | 56 | 54 | 110 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2005-06 | 81 | 52 | 54 | 106 |
| Mike Gartner | 1984-85 | 80 | 50 | 52 | 102 |
| Dennis Maruk | 1980-81 | 80 | 50 | 47 | 97 |
| Bob Carpenter | 1984-85 | 80 | 53 | 42 | 95 |
| Mike Gartner | 1980-81 | 80 | 48 | 46 | 94 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2006-07 | 82 | 46 | 46 | 92 |
| Dennis Maruk | 1978-79 | 76 | 31 | 59 | 90 |
One-hundred thirty-six is a hell of a lot of points - a total that hasn't been hit since a couple of teammates did it for Pittsburgh in 1995-96. And while "Can Alex Ovechkin set a new franchise record?" is a great question, in many ways it's been answered - he already has.
The folks over at the irreplaceable HockeyReference.com have gone ahead and made it easier to compare players and scoring across different eras by leveling the playing field. In their words, "In order to account for different schedule lengths, roster sizes, and scoring environments, some statistics have been adjusted. All statistics have been adjusted to an 82-game schedule with a maximum roster size of 18 skaters and league averages of 6 goals per game and 1.67 assists per goal."
As you'd expect, players from the free-wheelin' Eighties are the big losers in this exercise (as a point of reference, Wayne Gretzky's record 215-point 1985-86 season was "only" a 170-point campaign once adjusted), while the gents who slogged through the trap-infested turn of the century finally get some belated statistical relief. Here's how the Top 10 single season adjusted point totals in Caps history shakes out:
| Player | Season | GP | G | A | PTS |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2007-08 | 82 | 72 | 50 | 122 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2008-09 | 79 | 59 | 55 | 114 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2005-06 | 81 | 52 | 52 | 104 |
| Dennis Maruk | 1981-82 | 80 | 44 | 56 | 100 |
| Nick Backstrom | 2008-09 | 82 | 32 | 67 | 99 |
| Alex Ovechkin | 2006-07 | 82 | 48 | 46 | 94 |
| Jaromir Jagr | 2001-02 | 69 | 36 | 55 | 91 |
| Peter Bondra | 1997-98 | 76 | 60 | 30 | 90 |
| Adam Oates | 1997-98 |
82 | 21 | 67 | 88 |
Looks a bit different, doesn't it (as if you needed any more reason to be impressed by Ovechkin's and Backstrom's individual accomplishments to date)?
A few more adjusted stats notes:
- This past year's team had four of the top thirteen per game adjusted point totals in team history: Ovechkin was third (1.44), Alex Semin was fourth (1.32), Backstrom was eighth (1.21) and Mike Green thirteenth (1.12, the best mark by a defenseman in team history).
- The team's record book for goals in a single season officially reads Ovechkin (65), Maruk (60), Ovechkin (56), Carpenter (53), Bondra (52), Bondra (52), Ovechkin (52), Gartner (50), Maruk (50), Gartner (48), but it's hard not to love an adjusted list that starts out Ovechkin (72), Bondra (60), Ovechkin (59), Ovechkin (52), Bondra (50), Bondra (49), Ovechkin (48), Bondra (48).
- Speaking of goals, Wayne Gretzky never had 72 adjusted goals in a season. Not once. Ever. Brett Hull did, though, and his 1990-91 season (as far as I can tell) represents the only campaign in which a player had more adjusted goals than Ovechkin did in 2007-08.
- Contrary to popular belief, Jaromir Jagr did not have his worst seasons while in D.C., at least from an adjusted points perspective - his first three years in the League and his last one were worse. (File under comfort, cold.)
- Robert Lang's 2003-04 season (63 games played for the Caps, 34 adjusted goals, 52 adjusted assists) ranks third in team history in adjusted points-per-game behind AO's last two campaigns. Impressive.
- John Erskine's adjusted goal total for 2008-09? Still zero.
Whether or not Alex Ovechkin ever tops 136 points in a single season, he has already established himself as the most prolific single-season scorer in team history, three times over - any way you look at it, the guy is on a remarkable trajectory. But cheer up, Dennis - they can adjust your point totals, but they'll never be able to touch that moustache (unless, of course, they adjust it down to a Ron Low).
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Two things:
Gotta love that Bondra year on there.
Mobile posting, yeah!
by Bald Pollack on Jul 7, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sitting in front of my desktop but posting this from my iPhone. Why? Because I can. Huzzah, SBN!
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 7:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I am doing the same thing and I guess it is because I can also.
“John Erskine’s adjusted goal total for 2008-09? Still zero.”
I was not expecting that one and now I have to clean my monitor.
by Newt on Jul 7, 2009 8:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for letting me know mobile posting works. AWEAOME!
by vt caps fan on Jul 7, 2009 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And my spelling mistakes will now gone up astronomically.
by vt caps fan on Jul 7, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like I needed another reason to want an iPhone……
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a BB storm – not as cool as the iphone, but still pretty cool. And the palm pre looks pretty money also.
by vt caps fan on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have rocks and a chisel. Sort of the i-Flintstone
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 7, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mine doesn’t quite work yet – seems to be a setting issue.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 7, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(email support@sbnation.com if the trouble persists)
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no good. Thanks for the tip, I’ll do that.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for letting me know mobile posting works. AWEAOME!
Thank you for this PSA on the dangers of mobile posting. Seriously, that was great.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 7, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey JP, adjust this!
Why do you insist on taking my glory away? Don’t make me two-hand you in the ankles.
"Where there is beer, there is hope." - me
by maruk on Jul 7, 2009 7:15 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The real question is, who would make a list of the Top Ten Capitals Moustaches?
by jakeshapiro on Jul 7, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here are some candidates.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup! I actually stuck around Sunday night after a local open skate to watch a recreational league hockey game. Hey, it was a puck fix, and it was kinda fun. :) My camera and I are probably also going to spend some time at development camp next week, since I have off a lot of the week. Hopefully my friend coming out from KC for the week is willing to do an open skate with me.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 7, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the feeling. My kids went to stick and shoot on Sunday, and we went to watch. Well, actually I had to go because my son needed a piece of equipment and I had to pay for it. 18 years old and now he decides to take up the sport to play intramurals at school. Ow, my pocketbook!
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫ Summertime and the writin’ ain’t easy ♫
One can only write about who should be the second-line center so many days in a row…
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, this crowd seems to do fine at it. :-)
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry – I can see this thread heading in that direction before long. How, you ask?
“See, Robert Lang was really good for us. We really should consider bringing him back to be the second-line center.”
“Can’t afford him. We’re stuck with Laich.”
“Or Nylander.”
“Or Aucoin.”
Etc.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh. I can get you there fast.
Ovechkin potentially could get to 136 points, but it’s not likely because he’s going to score more goals than assists, or at best about the same. Because he’s a wing, not a center. See?
Then again, if he can hit 70 goals, which many think could happen, all bets are off.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could always size up the rest of the Eastern Conference as a lark :)
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 7, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way back in 1982 – before many of you were born, I’d guess
Is everyone really that young? I’m hardly an old man, but it does sting to be reminded that many folks here don’t remember Bobby Carpenter and Papa Gustafsson.
by Sct112 on Jul 7, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it helps I BARELY remember them, but I do remember them.
by vt caps fan on Jul 7, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was born, but I make no claim to remember anything about 1982
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No fear, I remember those days well. My long affiliation with the team (as a fan) will make the imminent SC all the more sweeter.
by Moonage Daydream on Jul 7, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was only 4 in ‘82 so I don’t remember much.
by SethB on Jul 7, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t have to be ’82 to remember Bobby and Gus. They were here until the mid-80s, together at least. I used to LOVE Bengt when I was a kid. He had such a cool name.
by wittcap79 on Jul 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in high school from 82-85, which explains this little bit of humor the memory of Gustaffson jus dredged from the Anacostia-like depths of my memory.
“Hey, Caps! You need to straighten out your Gustaffson, ‘cause it’s Bengt!”
by jimmiebjr on Jul 8, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more than old enough, but I’ve only been paying attention for less than ten years.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime I watch those Classic Games from the 70’s & 80’s on the NHL Network, I have to believe that Ovechkin would have scored 100 goals against those goalies.
by b.orr4 on Jul 7, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
easily. It seems like Eric Fehr’s 30 foot wrist shots would have had a 50/50 shot of going in.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we lay off of my boy who is nursing 2 surgically repaired shoulders…? (insert smiley emoticon)
by JSchon on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Note from an interested party)
Eric Fehr: If I could lift my arms, i’d slap you…
by Scofield on Jul 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, in Obama’s speech he gave today in Russia, he mentioned Ovie.
by jakeshapiro on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
(Psst… see the FanShot below this post)
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it, JP, you’re always one step ahead!
by jakeshapiro on Jul 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great research and notes. Ovechkin is clearly the best player to ever put on a Caps jersey. When he was a rookie I was telling folks that the only players I’ve seen in person who were better were Wayne and Mario (I’m old, but I never saw Bobby Orr in person).
Now, having seen 4 seasons of Alex in DC, I can amend the statement… there’s only one player that I’ve seen who is better: Wayne Gretzky. Ovechkin is on a par with Mario Lemieux in terms of skill level and effort. He has astonishing talent and he gets everything out of it (like Wayne and Mario did.)
I’ve only seen one player in person with more talent than all of these guys: Gilbert Perreault. He should have been Wayne Gretzky had he been willing to put in the effort. A great player, but there were games and seasons where he mailed it in, versus trying to kick butt every night…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on Jul 7, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jonas Gustavsson just signed with the Leafs.
by JSchon on Jul 7, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Godzilla replaced by Monster…film at 11.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
‘Zilla and CuJo… maybe they’re working the horror flick angle (since it’s worked so well for Koules and the Gang in Tampa).
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a goalie in the league with a first name of Fred?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 7, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddie Brathwaite played for STL and CBJ a few years ago. I think he's out of the league, though.
by killianskid34 on Jul 7, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(beat me by a second)
Yeah, Brathwaite last played for Omsk in 2007-08, as far as I can tell. Which, of course, means he’ll be the Flyers backup by January.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been a few, most notably (or recently) Brathwaite, Norrena, and, of course, Cassivi. Not sure there are any active Freddies, though.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He dropped from 72 adjusted goals to 59, OMG. No wonder people were giving him an 8 instead of a 10.
/sarcasm
Russian Machine Never Breaks
by macvechkin on Jul 7, 2009 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
question about Robert Lang’s inclusion on the “adjusted” list. Are those 63 games inclusive of the entire season, or just the games he played prior to being traded to Detroit? I’m assuming the latter, but just want to clarify.
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Turns out that’s a screw up on my part – the 63 games are the ones he played for the Caps, but the adjusted totals include six games (1G, 5A) for the Wings. So his real Caps total was 86 adjusted points. Argh. I’ll correct it later (and thanks for the catch).
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
86 adjusted points is still pretty gaudy for 63 games. Amazing what he was able to do that year beofre going to Detroit.
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember thinking that year that Lang was the only guy playing like he gave a damn. That may be too strong (other players were also trying hard) but as a whole that was one hell of a disappointing team.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 7, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed completely, but I was still surprised to see just how good his performance was that year.
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember being sad to see him go for two reasons. One was that he was playing well and his contract wasn’t expiring. But the big one was that he was contending for the Ross, and it would have been cool to have the winner on the Caps, especially considering how they were stinking up the joint, pre-fire sale. I felt bad for him when he got hurt not long thereafter.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, it’s updated. Welcome to the Top 10, Adam Oates (and Lang’s season gets a note now, b/c it was damn impressive).
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any chance I can beg you into giving up the top 10 adjusted points per game? Because its not like you have a real job or a life or anything better to do than take requests from bored office workers.
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Ovechkin 2007-08 1.49
Alex Ovechkin 2008-09 1.44
Robert Lang 2003-04 1.37
Alexander Semin 2008-09 1.32
Jaromir Jagr 2001-02 1.32
Alex Ovechkin 2005-06 1.28
Dennis Maruk 1981-82 1.25
Nicklas Backstrom 2008-09 1.21
Peter Bondra 1997-98 1.18
Peter Bondra 1995-96 1.15
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by J.P. on Jul 7, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what the heck are they smoking up there in Philly? Trading away the future for Pronger, and then signing the aging d-man to a massive contract (and don’t tell me a 7 year $35 million contract isn’t massive considering the cap situation bound to happen next year). Are they trying to handcuff the organization for the better part of a decade?
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As my father once told me, “son, if you ever think you’ve made a colossal error in judgment, the best thing to do is to double-down and to commit yourself even more to that path.”
Oh wait, actually I think his advice was the opposite…
by Gould Old Days on Jul 7, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last two years are for $525,000 each. League minimum is $500,000 this year, right? Let’s play devil’s advocate and say that he’s going to play out the contract. Or even if he doesn’t, the average is used against the cap. What happens if the minimum in the future goes over $525,000? Do they retroactively calculate the cap hit, and presume it wouldn’t make a difference?
All rhetorical, of course, but just came to mind.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 7, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume league minimum will stay flat, given that huge contracts are less likely to be handed out with the uncertain cap situation in the future.
I also see that Pronger is not yet 35.
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to be 35 before that contract kicks in...
…so either he’s playing until he’s 43, or the Flyers (or some other poor sap of a team) are stuck with a 5 mil dead cap hit after he retires.
by brs03 on Jul 7, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always get confused by the 35 rule. Is it the player has to begin playing under the contract before he is 35, or just has to sign before turns 35?
by RedBirdie on Jul 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CBA says it’s whether or not they’re 35 by June 30 of the year the contract goes into effect. That should mean 2010, meaning Pronger counts as 35+. There’s confusion as to whether that’s only the case if they signed when they’re over 35 or not, though. The way I read it it seems to me he counts as over 35 which means this contract is downright stupid, but Holmgren obviously knows something we amateurs don’t (either Pronger plans to play that long, or the CBA isn’t actually read that way) or he’s banking on the rule changing in the next CBA.
by brs03 on Jul 7, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love how the single biggest issue with the pronger signing is completely missed by the MSM. this is the only article i can find that discusses the CBA and the cap impact of early retirement. the author is not any clearer on how philly would avoid the cap hit for 40+ year-old pronger.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that is clearly the biggest part of this story, but I haven’t seen anybody make a definitive statement as to whether the 35+ clause is going to kick in.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
voila!
from the japers’ rink “what we’re reading” sidebar:
Mc79Hockey.com
conclusion: the flyers are in the clear if pronger retires before the end of his contract.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to Elliotte Friedman’s twtter
Yes, its an Over 35 deal, and yes, every year will count against the Flyers cap even if Chris retires." Impressed Daly was up at 6 am
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i had it all loaded and ready to post. i hope the league clears this up for us soon. if the widely accepted interpretation holds, then a pronger retirement doesn’t change the cap hit. mc79hockey’s interpretation is different from anything i’ve ever read.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prongers contract also runs through the duration of the current CBA, so there is a chance it could be amended to drop the 35+ retirement issue.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad. i read the friedman twitter too quickly. that’s official word from bill daly, NHL deputy commissioner? so the other shoe to drop might be the flyers challenging the CBA.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah this is why I hate twitter. Wish there was a link included with this, but what Friedman was referring to is
“Bill Daly on Pronger contract: “The relevant date is the June 30 before the extension becomes effective. So that’s June 30, 2010…”
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That conclusion makes little sense, though, as it would mean the rule basically nullifies its own reasoning (how can you get paid if you’ve retired? LTIR isn’t retirement, and that sounds like the situation he’s trying to describe).
by brs03 on Jul 8, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
further confirmation of the bill daly quotes from CSNphilly.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Awesome.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
might this deserve a fanshot so it doesn’t get lost? Go for it Natty.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
done, and with a new and even more enjoyable wrinkle.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome work fellas.
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by J.P. on Jul 8, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok I just have to try out the mobile posting thingy. looks good from the HTC touch. wheee!
"I tried to capture the spirit of the thing"
by tuvanhillbilly on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Come on, sign someone McPhee. I’m bored.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you’re bored now, you’re really going to hate August.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you go to all the camps and practices…
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In August? That’s a dead month. Development camp is next week and rookie camp is what, early September? Unless you get wind of the players coming back to town and showing up unscheduled to skate. Am I missing somthing?
by gfcaps fan on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I’m sure I’m wrong. I don’t know exactly when all the pre-season stuff falls on the calender.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do they have any practices or camps at kettler in july?
i work right around the corner from there…
by twistedlogic on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the caps’ press release:
Capitals Summer Development Camp On Ice Schedule
Sunday, July 12 Players arrive
Monday, July 13 Group A on ice at 10 a.m.; Group B on ice at 2:30 p.m.
Tuesday, July 14 Group B on ice at 10 a.m.; Group A on ice at 2:30 p.m.
Wednesday, July 15 Group A on ice at 10 a.m.; Group B on ice at 11:15 a.m.; scrimmage from 3:30 – 6:30 p.m.
Thursday, July 16 Group B on ice at 10 a.m.; Group A on ice at 11:15 a.m.; scrimmage from 3:30 – 6:30 p.m.
Friday, July 17 Group A on ice at 10 a.m.; Group B on ice at 11:45 a.m.
Saturday, July 18 Scrimmage from 10 a.m. – 1 p.m.; players depart
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 8, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, because come August I can at least watch Redskins training camp.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time of the year the Skins are in contention!
by Scott in Shaw on Jul 8, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
i was gonna say something along the lines of “wow, thats exciting” but refrained because in my heart, i’m a skins fan.
by twistedlogic on Jul 8, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse, could be baseball :)
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey now, lay off baseball. Nothing beats $5 admission and bars in the outfield.
except maybe a Cup parade….
by RedBirdie on Jul 8, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re are already making predictions on ESPN for the West, good grief. FA isn’t over yet.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its ESPN. Reality isn’t really their strong suit.
by RedBirdie on Jul 8, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that Koivu moved to ANA, I wonder if that changes Frei’s predictions.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider the source.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudler sign with Moscow Dynamo for 2yrs @ $2M per. What is DET doing?
Big losers in FA so far…
Philly and Detroit.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hudler sign with Moscow Dynamo for 2yrs1yr @ $2M per. What is DET doing?
Big losers in FA so far…
Philly and Detroit.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that Hudler is still negotiating with Detroit and that if he has signed with Dynamo, there’s an out if he does reach an agreement with the Wings, FWIW.
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by J.P. on Jul 8, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that too, but $2M, DET can’t give the guy $2M? After all that they have lost this past season?
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 million KHL money is better than 2 million NHL money because of lower taxes, correct**
**assuming said KHL team makes payroll
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jul 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just looked at the cap issue with DET, they have $1.6M left to fill 2 spots.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GMGM needs to call DET and offer Tomas Fleischmann for Jiri Hudler…
Hudler/Laich/Semin – that’s exciting…
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Send Flash Back To Detroit Campaign!
by RedBirdie on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s so bizarre (the whole thing, not a “out if I sign with Detroit” clause)
by RedBirdie on Jul 8, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is like a sitcom episode where Hudler is in love with Red Wings, but after three years together Red Wings “needs a little space” and thinks they should start “dating other people.”
Dynamo is Hudler’s hot friend who agrees to go out on a date with him where Red Wings is guaranteed to see them together so that Red Wings will get jealous and decide to come back to Hudler.
No doubt hilarity will ensue.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that hudler
hes a sneaky lil bastard
by twistedlogic on Jul 8, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hudler just wants to get far far far faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away from the Anaheim Ducks? I mean, I wouldn’t want to see that much of my own blood pooling on the ice, either.
by RedBirdie on Jul 8, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t read anything yet other than here, but it sounds like it’s a staring competition. Who blinks first?
by gfcaps fan on Jul 8, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you figure? He’s going to arbitration, so it’s probably just a question of “do the Red Wings sign him or walk away.”
by brs03 on Jul 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hurdler will win his arbitration hearing, he had a very good season.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably. Well, win is a relative term. He’ll get more than the 2 mil it sounds like the Wings are offering.
by brs03 on Jul 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-year/$3.25m. Surprising deal in both term and dollars, imo.
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by J.P. on Jul 8, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you pay for Saku $3.25M for one year? I would have.
by JSchon on Jul 8, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you battling with dueling personalities? =]
I’m much happier with Knuble than if the Caps would have signed him.
by zephyr on Jul 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, guys, source? Can’t look @ BB and no Twitter from work.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSN, for one – http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=284086
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by J.P. on Jul 8, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Sorry, crazy day at work.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But already a HOFer? http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/psh/comments/future_hall_of_famer_joe_sakic_to_retire/
by red army line on Jul 9, 2009 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 all-time in scoring, 1 Hart, 1 Conn, 1 Byng? Yep, first ballot no-brainer.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 9, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the bottom he lists the active players he considers HOFers no matter what happens from now on.
by red army line on Jul 9, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. Pays to read more in the mornings.
by Bald Pollack on Jul 9, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone else brought up a point that really gave me shivers of “oh my God that’s awesome” that might say “probably” to this question:
Only 3 players in NHL history have won both the Hart and Pearson in the same year consecutive times. Those players are Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, and Alexander Ovechkin.
If his career were to end today it would probably be due to something big and tragic (career ending injury) and that would be enough mitigating circumstances to get him in the Hall most likely, on the backbone of his Harts and that 65 goal season.
Hopefully we’ll never have to figure that out.
by brs03 on Jul 9, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thought of us ever having to wonder that isn’t so awesome.knocks on wood
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Jul 9, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guessing that 3-player list is the reason for his inclusion, given that none of the league’s other young stars are on Kukla’s list.
by grapejoos on Jul 9, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well none of them have 2 Richards or 2 Harts, either. Only 2 have a Ross, 1 has a Hart…but I think Ovechkin needs a championship too.
by red army line on Jul 10, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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