Capitals Trade Keith Seabrook to Calgary Flames
ARLINGTON, Va. –The Washington Capitals have traded defenseman Keith Seabrook to the Calgary Flames for future considerations, vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today.
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It is going to be worth checking the Calgary papers the next few days – with a hometown kid, who also played 2 seasons for the Hitmen, getting traded to the Calgary organization – as it may give some insight into the reason.
Given he wasn’t at camp, it’s obvious something was off between the Caps and Seabrook whether it related to the depth on D and his place on the depth chart or perhaps the contract situation. i.e., it could have related to what they wanted him to do this season, while they still held his rights, but didn’t have to sign him to an NHL entry-level deal. At this point, I assume it is future considerations depending on whether he ever signs with Calgary.
FWIW, he was the only drafted prospect that was scratched from the rookie scrimmage game against the Flyers last September (the others were Dubuc and Switzer); I don’t recall ever hearing whether that was due to an injury or a mgmt/coaching decision based on his play that week, but it did not surprise me at the time based on his week only surprised me in the context that he was a draft pick prospect.
It is going to be worth checking the Calgary papers the next few days – with a hometown kid, who also played 2 seasons for the Hitmen, getting traded to the Calgary organization – as it may give some insight into the reason.
Considering how lacking Calgary was in prospect depth in back, I’d hope for a little more than future considerations, but oh well.
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by Bald Pollack on Jul 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
could “future considerations” mean a 2nd round pick if he signs with calgary and a 7th if he doesn’t? Something along those lines?
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, though I very highly doubt the upside of the pick is a 2nd.
Another example of a conditional pick was when the Caps snagged Juice from Boston. The pick was going to be either a 3rd or a 4th, depending on TOI for the following season (fwiw, Juice didn’t hit the number that would trigger the higher pick, so it ended up being a 4th).
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Right, I was just using a couple of extremes as an example.
We drafted Seabrook 2nd round, 52nd overall, so hopefully we get something of value.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point. It’s likely a back rub – if Seabrook signs, GMGM gets a 30-minute massage; if not, 10 minutes.
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You went there when even I showed restraint.
Nice.
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Not exactly the “well that alleviates the logjam on the blueline” trade I was expecting…
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by J.P. on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The logjam of D that are expected to contribute (in Hershey or DC) probably won’t be cleared at least until the September camps begin. Once everyone is in the same place playing against the same competition I think it will become more clear how the depth chart stands, especially for the NHL caliber D. Seabrook was so far down the depth chart and wasn’t going to contribute anytime soon so I’m not surprised at all. He’s primarily an offensive D and for now the Caps have Green, Carlson, Orlov, and Godfrey who all play similar roles.
Unless someone with a major hit gets moved, that’s Frantisek you speak of.
by red army line on Jul 17, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kaberle sucks. If we pick him up I will be enraged. The only possible exception is if Nyls goes the other way, which obviously won’t happen.
I would take Kab-Nyls faster than I would shit my pants in joy.
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by bigonetimer on Jul 17, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting way to celebrate…
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You know, for this one, I’m not hitting google images for an appropriate image.
Peeing on cheerios, sure
Waking a sleeping dog, sure
But I’ll let this one go.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If it was a contract issue, or the lack of one, it is one more body that will not encumber a “contracted” position in the organization. The Caps seemed to lack flexibility last year owing to the 50 contract limit. Perhaps this is an issue.
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They didn’t have to sign Seabrook right now anyway, so he wasn’t going to crunch the contract limit if GMGM didn’t want him to. I think this is more of a situation where he clearly isn’t in the Caps’ future plans and his trade value isn’t going to get any higher sitting buried in our organization.
agreed. It’s a nice move for the kid, too…he’s gotta be pumped (I would be). I just don’t want him to be the one that got away, but I am pretty certain this is another case of the legacy that wasn’t…
How easy has Orlov’s entrance made some of these decisions though! You won’t hear a peep out of me about the newest Russian in DC this year unless we are decimated by injuries.
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…but I can’t see how we keep these top eight D intact any longer. I just hope this is the trimming of the chaff to load up on picks (like David Poile has been doing for a couple years now)
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You’re right. Orlov, Carlson, Green all make Seabrook very expendable. Considering Green and Carlson alone I’d have a hard time considering Seabrook “the one that got away” even if he becomes a solid NHL player. He’d have to be astronomically good (better than his brother) for me to feel remorse about losing him; and I don’t think he’ll surpass his brother.
interesting that the Flames have been looking over our D. It’s been a long time since that section of our prospects has been so estimable.
2012 backline estimate?
Alzner-Green
Carlson-Orlov
Schultz-TBD
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It would help if Alzner and Carlson don’t put up huge numbers right away (I’m more concerned about Carlson in that regard) so we don’t have to give out massive increases after the Entry Level K expires. Hopefully Mike Green and AO eating all the PP point ice time will keep their offensive numbers in check.
yeah, that is a curiously good feeling to have. Having Ovechkin kind of takes the place of two big(ger) contracts, but my emphasis would be up front (8, 19, even 28) for the “cornerstone” contracts, and either for 2D or a D and G in back (but not 3 players). I also think MG becomes more expendable/tradeable as these ranks swell…just sayin.
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If we could keep that D corps together that you listed above we’d have to say good bye to 28, and I’m cool with that. If you can put that kind of D together, all we need is 8, 19 and a G in order to be Cup competitors. Semin is far more replaceable than Green. Green already has a Norris nomination, saying that any of the prospects makes him expendable, or even speculating it, is way premature. Green is still getting better and he’s already playing at a level that those other D will probably never reach.
Not mwe – 28 is my man and he’s getting better every year…
by markbona-capsfan99 on Jul 17, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s an excellent player but he’s had problems with health/consistency and he is by far the most expendable young gun. Wing is the least important position on a team and he’s never going to be the best wing on this team anyway. If we can put together a stud D corps (especially one that brings a lot of offense) then we don’t need to sink the kind of money into our forwards that Semin is going to command. It’s a salary cap problem not a skill problem with him.
A different version of a contract issue is the prospect wanting a contract and the organization owning his rights’ not wanting to sign him right now. While ideally, the prospect follows the organization’s guidance as to where to play during that time, the situation this coming year with Seabrook was an unknown since he has exhausted his CHL eligibility, but did not have to be signed until next summer. Perhaps they were not in agreement about where he would play and under what type of contract for this coming season or perhaps he was not in their plans at all, either way, there was some level of disconnect and it resulted in the trade.
This past season was his overage season in the WHL. Seabrook was an 06 draft pick and has an August 88 birthdate. He turns 21yo in August. His rights expiration and why there was an extra year had to do with his classification as an NCAA player and then leaving college early.
Nope, last year was his overage season. Overagers this season are ‘89s, for example, if Broda goes back to the WHL this season, he’d count as an overager.
I don’t think it’s strictly governed by birth year because hockey age is different. But I’ll accept that Seabrook did his overage year already.
Age definitions vary depending on what one is discussing. In terms of the CHL and overagers, my understanding is that it is based on the calendar year – i.e., if a player turns 20yo during the year that the season starts that is considered his overage season. So any player turning 20yo in 1989 who plays in the CHL this season is considered an overager.
And for Seabrook specifically, here is one article indicating that he was an overager last season.
http://www.hitmenhockey.com/cgi-bin/news/comments.cgi?type=newsroom&file_num=0000001590
Future Considerations?
Maybe Jarome Iginla and the four first round picks? I’m kidding…
We probably get a draft pick from Calgary at a later date, or… if the Caps need to drop a salary, the Flames can pick him up (See Friesen, Jeff and the Caps getting him from the Devils…)
Let's go Caps!
with all the D they have signed, can’t see the Flames having much room to help out
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Huet (with an expiring contract) fetched a second, so I doubt we’d necessarily get that for an unproven prospect.
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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 17, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just the thought of a team with Ovie and Iginla leading the way
made me temporarily lose my mind with joy.
I still like Hey There Iginla.
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by boutros23 on Jul 17, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That. Was. AWESOME!
And yeah, Iginla’s probably my favorite non-Cap.
by Murshawursha on Jul 17, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
part of the Seabrook story from his side…with quotes from his agent…sounds about right given what we knew…
excerpt:
“Hence, the stand-off, which included Seabrook not participating in the Caps’ recent summer camp.”
“That wasn’t any big deal at all . . . it was a mutual thing, it wasn’t like we held out,” said Johannson. “Washington was indifferent, frankly. It’s not like they were beating our door down. We never had any big argument or disagreement with them . . . but I wasn’t optimistic about Keith in Washington, put it that way.”
Have no fear, though.
Seabrook will soon sign with the Flames.
“Very quickly,” said Johannson, chuckling. “I don’t see a problem getting a deal done with Calgary. Putting together a contract, at this point, is the easiest part of the process.”
…“He is one of 27 prospects invited to the Flames’ annual development camp, which opens Monday afternoon at the Pengrowth Saddledome.”
note: My apologies, I posted earlier he is from Calgary, he is from western Canada, BC, but not from Calgary, but did played for 2 seasons for Calgary, WHL, as also was noted.
and another article
http://www.calgarysun.com/sports/hockey/2009/07/18/10179041-sun.html
so, what is the range of “future considerations” ? I speculated that a 2nd fetches no better than a 2nd, but is it contingent on his making the Flames this year?
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We’ll never know the terms, if they’re defined formally at all, until the deal gets completed (if it ever does).
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