Morrisonn, Bourque, Pinizzotto sign; awaiting word on Fehr or Schultz

"Shaone Morrisonn, Chris Bourque accepted their QOs, Steve Pinizzotto signed a two-year contract. No word yet from Fehr, Schultz on their QOs." - @cmasisak22

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What was Mo’s contract? Same as last years? Less?

by vt caps fan on Jul 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

5% more, i think.

by RedBirdie on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s only for salaries under 1 mil

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

thanks, can never keep it all straight in my head.

by RedBirdie on Jul 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

QO at his salary would be the same as the previous year.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Word. Thanks to the both of you.

by vt caps fan on Jul 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I like Lincoln log…jams.

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by Bald Pollack on Jul 15, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions

i’m wondering about the implications of the shaMo contract. this doesn’t rule out a trade, i don’t think. for now, though, the new deal makes it easier for the caps to walk out on juice or trade his rights.

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions

Fehr and Schultz should take the offers in front of them… they’re very likely fair offers…

Let's go Caps!

by MikeL-Pivonka on Jul 15, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions

I wouldn’t be surprised if the team were trying to work out longer deals, especially with Schultz.

by David Getz on Jul 15, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Both of them are probably thinking longer term. Schultz especially is probably a guy that could get a 3+ year deal (not sure how many RFA years he has left?) if he wanted it, especially since he’ll probably never be a big bucks kinda guy.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Fehr’s the one is a tough spot. Coming off an eh season and injury, he doesn’t really have much negotiating leverage. Could see him wanting longer term in exchange for less money, but why? Otherwise, sign the QO and hope this is finally the year.

by gfcaps fan on Jul 15, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions

He could likely get a 2 year deal similar to Flash’s. Agreed that the motivation would be questionable, but he may rather just take the time to get his game in gear without having to deal with another contract so soon. I don’t know.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions

schultz mentioned today by the owner as one of four core defensemen for the future. the core d corps, you could say.

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions

meanwhile, in la la land:

Now I have a little more hope about Schultz becoming a Pen.

I know he would be somewhat of a gamble (not a giant one due to his low salary), but I think he’s still got a bunch of potential. With ShaMo signed … it’s easy to think Schultz will be allowed to walk … and hopefully he walks into the Pens D-corps.

Truth is, he needs a fresh start. With the beating he takes on web boards and also at the games, new scenery would do him good.

Posted by: PensFan98 | July 15, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

COME ON 5:00!!!!! GO, GO, GO, GO

No signing by Schultz = solid defensive corps.

Posted by: drewsie | July 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Could it be our prayers are answered. It is 5:15 and nada on Schultz.

Posted by: ERHDC1 | July 15, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pensfan98,

please take Shultz…you think he has potential? Go for it….slowest guy in the NHL…

Posted by: capz_hockey | July 15, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Softest big guy in the NHL too.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 15, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions

what the heck are they smoking up there in Pittsburgh? (seems like real good stuff)

by RedBirdie on Jul 15, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

um … so how many d-men does this make and what’s the salary cap status after the dust settles? I gotta believe there will be a trade, if one hasnt been discussed with another team already …

by bigity b on Jul 15, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions

The Capitals NHL-ready defensemen are:

Green
Schultz
Morrisonn
Erskine
Poti
Pothier
Jurcina (arbitration eligible)
Alzner (maybe)

So probably eight.

As for the cap, we should have that page updated for you guys pretty soon.

by David Getz on Jul 15, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

And because I am compelled to, I will mention that Carlson could also be in the mix. Sloan and Collins did not embarrass themselves in the NHL last year either. There will be teams this year who give regular minutes to someone who is less effective than Sean Collins or Tyler Sloan.

by Gould Old Days on Jul 15, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions

I wonder if we’ll have to wait until September to see a trade take place.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

could shaMo be a piece to a trade deadline deal? particularly if alzner and/or carlson have bang-up seasons?

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions

So no signing = UFA eh? Cool?

by :hsughrofl: on Jul 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions

= RFA

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Schultz didn’t sign; Fehr did

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by J.P. on Jul 15, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions

You beat me to it. I wonder what Schultz thinks he’s worth.

by grapejoos on Jul 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Probably not about money, but about years (and perhaps one-way vs. two-way). It really wouldn’t surprise me to see him end up signing for less than his QO, but for one-way and two years or so.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Could be. I’m not expecting him to go anywhere, unless it’s in a trade (and even then, one would figure ShaMo and Juice would both be more likely to go, at minimum).

by grapejoos on Jul 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I’d be shocked if Schultz signed for less than his Q.O.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions

He and his agent have clearly been reading a lot of the fine work done by the artist formerly known as DMG.

by grapejoos on Jul 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

It depends what kind of leverage he has. Flash took less than his QO when he held out until camp in 07. It wouldn’t be much of a surprise for Schultz to hit the same situation unless he finds someone to sign him to an offer sheet or something.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah but flash wasn’t an established NHL regular at that point.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

That’s true. Schultz might have some offer sheets in hand right now that he’s holding over GMGM for the negotiations. If he does he’ll get paid, if he doesn’t he won’t.

by brs03 on Jul 15, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions

The TSN report is wrong?

by Red Tara on Jul 15, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

the TSN report being referenced above

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=284769

The Washington Capitals will have their biggest blueline presence back for next season. The club signed restricted free agent defenceman Jeff Schultz to a qualifying offer on Wednesday.

The 6’6", 221 lb. native of Calgary, Alberta will return for his fourth season with the Capitals. He appeared in 64 games last year, and tallied one goal and 11 assists. He missed 17 games with a broken finger, and 13 more games during the playoffs with an upper body injury.

The Capitals had first extended the qualifying offer to Schultz on June 29, but the player chose to explore his restricted free agency options on July 1.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

“upper body injury” = ankles broke in game 1 vs. Rangers – too embarasing to put back out there

by bigity b on Jul 16, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Upper body injury = broken rib that made it physically impossible to turn back and make a play on Dubinsky in that situation.

by David Getz on Jul 16, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Thank you, for this and the defense at OFB.

by Scott in Shaw on Jul 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

No worries – I think it’s quite unfair to pile it on Schultz for failing to do something that it was physically impossible to do, so…

by David Getz on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

So if Schultz were to sign with someone else – do the Caps get anything in return? Is it the same RFA compensation or does that change after a QO?

by Ames on Jul 15, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions

Caps would have a chance to match, or would get the draft picks as compensation

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Got it. Much appreciated.

Interested to see what will develop. I would have to think its somewhat of a gamble for Schultz given the potential lineup of d-men, if they are NHL ready of course. But I suppose any negotiation is a pretty much a gamble for both sides

by Ames on Jul 15, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

For 2008-09, the compensation due for signing a RFA to an Offer Sheet is:

Amount Compensation Due

$863,156 or less None

$863,156 – $1,307,812 3rd round pick

$1,307,812 – $2,615,625 2nd round pick

$2,615,623 – $3,923,437 1st and 3rd round pick

$3,923,437 – $5,231,249 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick

$5,231,249 – $6,539,062 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick

$6,539,062 or more Four 1st round picks

I haven’t seen updated numbers, but since the cap didn’t move much, I don’t think these compensation numbers will move much

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

you know, i had never seen this written out. 4 first rounders is one hell of a bounty in return for an RFA (although $6.54M is one hell of a bounty for the player).

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah, you have to figure the only guys who would warrant such an offer would be the Ovechkin, Malkin, Crosby type of players finishing up their Entry level contracts.

Possibly a Semin or Mike Green who will still be RFA’s when their contracts expire.

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by Sombrero Guy on Jul 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Though not an RFA at the time, I remember Scott Stevens fetched a bunch of first rounders….boy, did that work out.

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by bigonetimer on Jul 15, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions

green was the player i had in mind. kind of hoping he doesn’t hit such an astronomical salary, but i hear brian campbell is making $7.1M a year…

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions

If he can continue to be good enough to fetch a contract like that when his contract is up, I’ll happily deal with the ramifications of trying to sign him to a new deal.

by grapejoos on Jul 15, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Green the Caps need to match, Semin I’ll take the 4 1st rounders

by red army line on Jul 16, 2009 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions

So I picked the first team I could think of — Edmonton (because they put out an offer on Penner). And I decided to check out their first round picks from 2000-2003 (picking those years because we pretty much know how good those players are by now).

2000: Alexi Mikhonov
2001: Ales Hemsky
2002: Jesse Niinimaki
2003: Marc-Antoine Pouliot

Look, I know it’s just one anecdotal set of players, and I know McPhee, Mahoney & co would hopefully do better than that. But still, I think I’d rather keep Alex Semin than get four first rounders.

As another data point, the Caps got Trevor Halverson, Sergei Gonchar, Brendan Witt, Nolan Baumgartner and Miika Elomo with their compensatory picks from the Scott Stevens signing. In retrospect, I think most folks would have preferred that they keep Stevens.

If a player’s a proven star like Semin or Stevens, I think the picks ain’t worth it. If the player’s unproven like Penner, then maybe you let him go.

by Gould Old Days on Jul 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I suppose to other side of the coin is that you don’t have to use those draft picks to draft guys and if the question becomes ‘Are the Capitals better off with Semin or with whatever some combination of trades involving four first round draft picks and whatever prospects they don’t think fit their long-term plan will net in the trade market?’ I think you can certainly make the case that it’s the latter.

by David Getz on Jul 16, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

likewise, with the cap, teams will need to keep inserting new (i.e. cheap) talent to compliment the big money players. the salaries for 4 proven stars might tip over the boat, while a team with 3 proven stars and 4 extra first rounders can continue its circle of life.

by Natty Bumppo on Jul 17, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

And it used to be five first-rounders under the old system (though I presume the player had to be of sufficient quality, ala Scott Stevens, Shanahan, Sakic, etc.)

by grapejoos on Jul 15, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions