Caps Roster
by hockeyman33 on Jul 11, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
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This off-season has had the Caps add Mike Knuble and Brendan Morrison.
They have lost Viktor Kozlov, Sergei Fedorov, and Donald Brashear.
Still as UFAs are Brent Johnson, Alexandre Giroux, and Bryan Helmer.
RFAs are Shaone Morrison, Milan Jurcina (arbitration), Jeff Schultz, Eric Fehr, Boyd Gordon, and Chris Bourque.
So lets take a look at the roster for the Caps. (My line combinations)
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-B. Morrison-Fleischmann/Laich
Fehr-Steckel-Laich/Fleischmann
Bourque/Clark-Gordon-Bradley
Call ups should be Aucoin, Beagle, and Osala.
Fehr wont start the season, but will probably have his place once healthy. I don't think Nylander will play much, but will get the jersey as 3rd or 4th line center occasionally. Knowing Clark, he will be injured before long. Laich should have the second line wing, giving that line a sniper, a playmaker, and a grinder.
Green-Poti
Alzner-Pothier
Erskine-Schultz
(Saying either ShaMo and/or Juice are traded. We don't need to rotate 8 regulars). Otherwise, ShaMo is in and 6th Dman rotates.
Call ups are Collins, Sloan and maybe even Carlson.
Varlamov & Theodore will probably each start about half the games, barring an injury, or a one-sided domination in camp. Then, Neuvirth or even Johnny are backup.
Anything you guys see different?
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- Semin and Fehr are predominantly right wings, so lines 2 and 3 should be mirror images.
- I prefer Laich to Flash on line #2, otherwise line #2’s a little soft, and besides Flash and Fehr have known chemistry.
- I’d like to see what Bourque can do on a scoring line, so I’d be tempted to put him on Steckel’s right side while Fehr’s out. That laves the fourth line as Clark – Gordo – Bradley (can either Clark or Bradley play LW?)
- Erskine / Schultz was a disaster of a D pairing IIRC – neither one of them skate all that fast. Green / Schultz actually looked okay to me later on in the season, and Pothier / Erskine proved a solid combo in the stretch and playoffs, so I’d go:
Green – Schultz
Alzner – Poti
Erskine – Pothier
That still leaves Alzner with an experienced D-man.
I think you’ve got goal right – Varly / Theo with Theo taking a ton of starts and Neuvirth / Holtby in Hershey.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Semin’s a LW. He just gets played on the right side so that the care bears can unite.
by DrinkingPartner on Jul 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And at times so that he can get on the ice more given Ovechkin’s tendency to take long shifts.
by David M. Getz on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because Flash is incapable of playing the right, so when they’re out together, Sasha’s on the starboard side.
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by J.P. on Jul 12, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay. Thanks!
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and besides Flash and Fehr have known chemistry
I did like watching that F Bomb line from last year. Maybe it was just from having some guy named Fedorov between them. But were Fehr and Flash linemates in Hershey? Just wonderin…
by BackiBacker on Jul 12, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember that they produced no matter who their pivot was. They even made Nylander look good for a couple of games there,
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm can they make nylander look good again this year?
it’d be nice…
by twistedlogic on Jul 13, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With regards to the forwards, as gotsparkly mentioned Fehr is right wing, as is Clark. It’s also worth noting Laich is a left wing. I don’t think the team is comfortable playing any of those three on their off side. Bradley’s also miscast as a third line option, he’s just not good enough to play there in my opinion. I don’t see Aucoin or Osala as first option call-ups, but the Capitals like to replace guys with like-minded players, so it’ll probably depend on who’s out.
In terms of defensemen, Schultz and Erskine don’t have enough foot speed and neither has enough puck handling skill to play the right side as a left-handed defenseman. I also think Poti and Green together is a mistake, making the defensive pairings too top heavy.
My best guess as to the lines the team starts with are (and this assumes Morrisonn is brought back because I’m almost certain he will be. Sorry if that counts as cheating):
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Fleischmann-Morrison-Semin
Laich-Steckel-Clark
Bourque/Beagle/A. Gordon-B. Gordon-Bradley
Morrisonn-Green
Alzner-Poti
Schultz-Pothier
by David M. Getz on Jul 12, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see this, although I’d like to see what Bourque can do on a scoring line, too. I’d also switch Flash and Laich because that gives you a net-crasher, a playmaker, and a finisher on each of your top three lines.
Otherwise, I could go with this.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i wasn’t going so much for RW/LW, i was just putting then on. also with the D, i know BB will switch it up a lot, but gotsparkly’s will probably be seen most.
as to Bradley, i think he is a good energy guy, which he really showed in the playoffs. he can set up some good plays with that energy.
DMG, do you really have the 4th line as possibly being Bourque, Beagle, A.Gordon?
i bet you would miss bradley’s toughness and gordon’s faceoffs and PK’ing
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read that as Bourque OR Beagle OR A. Gordon with B. Gordon centering and Bradley on the right.
by HateOffSeason on Jul 12, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh ok. that makes a lot more sense
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think teams that like to play chippy will start to drool if they see this lineup. Unfortunately, I don’t see the Caps as a team able to emulate the Red Wings philosophy of never carrying an enforcer. We have a superstar (#8) who likes to run around like a bull in a china shop and another (#28) who is often a target for physical intimidation. I’m assuming though that you’d probably plug Erskine in at D against teams such as this?
by Cluster on Jul 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Erskine does that much good, as he really doesn’t fight much anymore.
But it seemed to me that having Brashear in the lineup didn’t make a huge difference last year. It didn’t seem to dissuade teams any less when he was out hurt and he didn’t make people answer for hard hits or other liberties.
by David M. Getz on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Erskine’s willingness going into this season should be listed as TBD. Yes, last season he rarely fought due to lingering concussion issues, and when he did he was essentially forced to (Belak and Rechlicz). But this will be a unique situation in that with Brash gone, Erskine is the only heavyweight on the roster, and the only fighter on the roster with any pugilistic skills to speak of. I have a feeling that despite the risk of serious injury, he will be much more willing this season.
I know a lot of people were down on Brash last season, but complaining about what he did or didn’t do doesn’t solve the problem. If teams took liberties last year, they surely will this year, especially without a Brash in the lineup. I take it that none of us want to see that happen, and personally, I’d prefer to have someone clearly identified for that role rather than take the “let’s see what happens” approach and deal with it when it occurs. Someone needs to be there to answer the call, and outside of Erskine, that person doesn’t exist right now.
by Cluster on Jul 12, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what might happen with some of our new roster members.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to the side of wishing it wasn’t necessary. As in I remember reading something (could even be here, I lose track) about how Detroit doesn’t seem to need anyone because when someone takes liberties, their payback is on the power play. That would work for the Caps, too, except for the part about actually getting the penalties called on a regular basis.
by gfcaps fan on Jul 12, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But this will be a unique situation in that with Brash gone, Erskine is the only heavyweight on the roster, and the only fighter on the roster with any pugilistic skills to speak of.
Personally, I’ve never considered Erskine a true heavy weight. To me he’s more in the Chris Simon mold, kind of a step below a traditional heavy weight. Also, it’s worth considering that he’s only dropped the gloves 12 times over the last three seasons. Compare that to the three seasons before when he dropped them 42 times (iincluding time in the AHL).
by Yoshietree on Jul 12, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Erskine’s rather short fight card the last few years is noteworthy, but based on the seasons prior, I personally still consider him a heavyweight. I guess it depends on each person’s definition. I consider someone a heavyweight if they meet three criteria:
Size. No strict metrics in terms of height and weight, but definitely a “you’ll know it when you see it” kind of thing when it comes to looking at their build/physique.
Frequency
Quality of opponents. This is where Brads’ falls short. He certainly will go on a regular basis, has the size (though I question the 6’3" listing), but isn’t capable of taking on the top guys (or the bottom?)
This is why I’m interested to see what Erskine’s willingness will be. I hope his fight frequency will jump dramatically, based on the current roster and options, because when he does fight he is effective.
by Cluster on Jul 12, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone name a specific example from last year of when someone took liberties on one of our players and Brash (or Erskine) held them accountable? Can anyone think of any examples of our team being run over because we didn’t have Brash in the lineup? The only poignant example I remember is the 2-1 victory over PHI the game after Brash got knocked out by Belak. PHI didn’t do anything out of line and we won a great hockey game.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 12, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that going into next season Chris Clark is a more credible heavyweight than Erskine. Clark certainly hasn’t backed down from anyone. I’m not saying he’s good at it, I’m just saying that (1) he’s willing and (2) a Chris Clark fight will give the team a lift no matter what the outcome.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 12, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erskine hasn’t fought much since he broke his hand, if i remember correctly. Matt Bradley and Osala (isn’t he a tough guy?) might step up a bit
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, Bradley and Osala are not heavy weights. Beyond that, I respect Bradley for dropping the gloves, but he’s not much of a pugilist and I haven’t heard of Osala dropping the gloves.
I think F&B’s point above is the most important. How much of a deterring factor was The Donald in his time here? I’d argue not much. The gross majority of his fights were not in response to a cheap hit or another player taking liberties. Most of them, IMO, were of the scripted variety. Likewise, a good number of Erkskine’s were him getting jumped.
I’m not against fighting in hockey as I think it still has its place, but it seems pointless at this point to argue who the “enforcer” on this team is going to be going into next year.
by Yoshietree on Jul 12, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya Yoshie, and I hear F&B as well. I’m just trying to raise a counterpoint in that for the past three years Ovie & Co have had a nice “binkie” named The Donald, and whatever value/deterrant he provided, which isn’t measurable, is now gone. It will interesting to see how it unfolds without that presence.
by Cluster on Jul 12, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With regards to the forwards, as gotsparkly mentioned Fehr is right wing, as is Clark. It’s also worth noting Laich is a left wing. I don’t think the team is comfortable playing any of those three on their off side.
semin’s flexibility (and willingness) to play on both sides when most of our other wingers can only man one or the other = another reason to keep him around.
by Natty Bumppo on Jul 12, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing everyone’s missing, I feel, is that Boudreau rarely plays the same lines between two games, much less all season. He also does what is rarely the popular opinion. I stand by what I’ve said in the past, that I don’t think Knuble is a first liner, and with his age, even if he shows NO signs of slowing, I’d like him to get second line minutes, because of the whole different looks thing no one is agreeing with me on. I don’t know much about Knuble’s speed, but hopefully he’s working on his conditioning, because if like everyone says, he’s on Ovechkin’s first line, he’s going to have to skate back and forth all game for 70+ games.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Jul 12, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The other thing about Boudreau is that during the regular season he likes to spread the scoring talent among three lines, with a fourth line of bangers. Vogel has said that he thinks the goal is to get to the point where your fourth line is Bradley – Steckel – Gordon because you have enough scoring talent up on the top three lines.
I’m not sure it’s feasible to get Steckel down to the fourth line unless Nylander starts playing very well. Obviously, the team would be much better with an effective Nylander and B. Morrison battling for 2nd and 3rd line centers. If that doesn’t happen, Steckel might still be the 3rd line center, but between two guys with some scoring talent.
I like DMG’s line of Laich – Steckel – Clark, assuming Clark comes back strong. And if Clark is not effective, gotsparkly had it right when she said it’d be interesting to see what Bourque could do on a scoring line. Laich – Steckel – Bourque could be a line the team counts on for some offense as well as some energy.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 12, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recall if you will who got the assist on Bourque’s goal against Buffalo – Bourque picked up Steckel’s rebound and hit the twine with it. Call it sentimental, but another reason why I like putting Bourque on Steckel’s line if I can.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Borque/Steckel/Laich line would really make me happy because that is exactly the kind of line that wins for you in the playoffs. None of them are going to put up huge numbers but none of them are going to hurt you. They are going to play sound hockey, pressure the puck, put it to the net, and win battles. I’m not sold on them being a 3rd scoring line but I think it would still be a great 3rd line. I agree with DMG that Bradley isn’t a 3rd line guy for a full season so Borque’s upgrade in skill would be a big benefit for that line; more so than the drop in size will hurt them.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 12, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is no speed demon, but the man can skate; a hallmark of Knuble’s career is his outstanding work ethic, and I have no doubt , when healthy, he can hang on line 1. That said, it’s up to Backs to handle tempo on that line.
my 2 cents:
Ovi-Backs-Knubs
Semin-Morrison-Flash
Laich-Steckel-Clark
Osala-Gordon-Bradley
If Clark is healthy this year, he should be 2RW, but….
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by bigonetimer on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Osala isn’t going to be brought up to play on the 4th line. If that’s not Bourque it’s probably Beagle or Laing.
I’d actually try Bourque – Laich – Clark and Steckel – Gordon – Bradley once in awhile, just to see how much offense that 3rd line could produce.
by brs03 on Jul 12, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember GMGM always tries to call up a type of player that is injured. Ex.- B. Gordon got hurt, and Laing was called up, even though he wasnt the best player in Hershey
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s one or two games that’s fine. Osala isn’t going to spend any significant portion of the season in a 4th line role though. He’s not really a defensive player, he’s not necessarily a tough banger type, and they’re not going to waste his development by keeping him up in those minutes when he could be a 1st/2nd liner in Hershey. At least not for any significant stretch I think.
by brs03 on Jul 12, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thou we’d all like to see it, I don’t see Nylander disappearing, at the least he’ll play enough in the early season to hopefully move him
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by toymechanic on Jul 12, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he starts the season with the Caps then I don’t see him going anywhere. We won’t give him enough ice time to build any trade value if that happens and that NMC is going to kill trade discussions. Our best chance at moving him is the KHL and we won’t know the outcome of that for a while.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 12, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heres what i’d like to see on a normal games basis:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Laich
Semin-Morrison-Knuble
Flash-Steckel-Clark
Bradley-B. Gordon-Bourque
I align my lineup with the idea of rolling 4 lines. All have an element of scoring, all have some muscle, all have natural centers who can win draws on a consistent basis. I like the 2nd line because Morrison and Knuble have played together before, and the familiarity will help, and Semin can shoot all he wants (provided he puts it on net), and Knuble can put in the trash. Same for the 1st line. If Clark is healthy, I think he fits right in with Steckel and Flash. Im discounting Fehr because I just dont think Bruce thinks too highly of him to give him a jersey every night. As for the defense, everythings such a toss up with people who could come and go and who can make the team out of camp that Im not even going to venture a guess.
by DonCaps819 on Jul 12, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t think the team is comfortable with Laich on the right or Bradley on the left.
by David M. Getz on Jul 12, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switching wings is the easiest positional switch to make. If Laich can play C then he should easily be able to play both wing positions. I don’t see how a guy like Bradley really needs to be on one side of the ice to succeed. His game is to get the puck, put it in deep and go chase it. He should be able to do that from either side of the ice.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 12, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to see what Morrison and Knuble can do together, I think that only makes sense with Ovechkin – Backstrom – Semin as the top line. I wouldn’t mind this at all, but I think given the team’s depth chart Semin and Knuble will be the right wings of the top two lines.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t like the Care Bear line, though ….
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by gotsparkly on Jul 12, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That line is a very dangerous line but it can’t be an every shift line. It has to be used in specific spots, like when we are down a goal late or really need an offensive shift to build momentum.
by Fehr and Balanced on Jul 12, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it’s a dangerous line- in multiple meanings of the word
ZING! ZANG! ZUNG!
by crabchowdah on Jul 13, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They called it the SOB line. It makes other teams say it when they’ve got the puck and us say it when they get cute or take a dumb penalty.
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by gotsparkly on Jul 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally, it makes us sob tears of joy and frustration.
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by J.P. on Jul 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll throw out a different top six -
Ovechkin – Morrison – Knuble
Fleischmann – Backstrom – Semin
One power line, one more finesse line. I’ve always dug the Backstrom-Semin chemistry, and Mo-Knubs supposedly have some… we’ll see this (and every other possible combination) at some time, I’m sure.
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by J.P. on Jul 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I support this fully. I’ve always liked teams that have two top lines, and you can’t tell which one is the # 1 and which is the #2.
by Gould Old Days on Jul 12, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn’t mind this short-term, but i think Backstrom really helps Ovi. I’m not sure if morrison could set ovi up the way backstrom does.
But, this combo might lead to a more balanced and more dangerous offense. Again, that #2 is a carebear line. we will probably see this over the season
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, that #2 is a carebear line.
Does swapping out Morrison for Backs change your opinion of the lines listed above? OV can play with everyone, and Back and Semin have shown chemistry in the past. Also, a player like Backs may help in creating a more consistent Flash.
by Yoshietree on Jul 12, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely wouldn’t be a care bear line. The Care bears’ problem was that they always try to set each other up. You think Semin is really going to go out of his way to set up Flash the way he does Ovie?
by brs03 on Jul 12, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah. i was thinking a line that isn’t tough enough. But Fleischmann – Backstrom – Semin doesn’t have much grit
by hockeyman33 on Jul 12, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you try and do lines so that you can’t have a care-bear line, you’re going to miss out on some real chemistry the Caps either already have or there’s potential for.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Jul 12, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched last year’s (two years ago?) game seven vs. the Flyers this evening and had forgot how good Semin, Backs and Laich were. As much as I’ve stucken up for Flash on here, I’d love to see Flash and Laich swap places to see if that chemistry can be reignited.
by Yoshietree on Jul 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So…
Ovechkin-Morrison-Knuble
Semin-Backstrom-Laich
Flash-Steckel-Clark
Bourque-B. Gordon-Bradley
I could live with that.
by Scott in Shaw on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly looks good on paper. The question then becomes where to slot Fehr upon his return?
by Yoshietree on Jul 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time Fehr is ready to return, Clark will be injured. Duh. ;-)
by Scott in Shaw on Jul 14, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have this strange feeling
that clark will be injured well before fehr returns. not sure what gave me that idea…….
by twistedlogic on Jul 15, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming a fully healthy roster, and nobody being moved from this exact moment, I’d pen the depth chart as:
LW: Ovechkin, Semin, Laich, Flash
C: Backstrom, Morrison, Steckel, B.Gordon, Nylander
RW: Knuble, Fehr, Clark, Bradley, Bourque
Which I think, lines out to:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-Morrison-Laich
Flash-Steckel-Fehr
Clark-B.Gordon-Bradley
(with Nylander and Bourque as the center and wing fill-ins, respectively, pending Clark’s inevitable injury and/or someone else’s less-expected one.)
I have to agree with Fehr and Balanced, in that I think I’d really like to see what a Laich-Steckel-Bourque line can do. I think that’s a very solid third line, especially if someone like Flash takes another step forward with his game and warrants frequent time on the second line.
Power play, you swap Knuble into Feds’ old spot and continue to watch the magic happen.
Penalty kill lines aren’t something I’ve heard talked about much. With the new acquisitions and the departures, what do you think the forward pairings look like on the kill?
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