Ryane Clowe is available according my reliable sources. Should McPhee make a phone call?
by JSchon on Jun 25, 2009 9:35 PM EDT
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PrintRyan Clowe is exactly the young power RW the Caps need. San Jose is offering him up, I dont know about everyone else but he'd look great on the 1st line.
"One name that has suddenly popped up on the trade front is Ryane Clowe of the San Jose Sharks. The power winger is a restricted free agent July 1, and two NHL GMs told ESPN.com Clowe is available. "
-according to LeBrun on ESPN.
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if he is an rfa his salary shouldnt be high. a trade would be great, but even im not sure what compensation the sharks would get. poti for clowe? just looked it up- made 1.6 mil last year. he would be worth snagging for a 2nd round(not sure) compensation
I can’t believe the asking price wouldn’t be too high, unless they’d take Nyls…
by DrinkingPartner on Jun 26, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
I’m not opposed, but as Sombrero Guy says, let’s address C first. We’re not going to be able to afford all of our pieces out of free agency, and Hershey has a serviceable winger (Chris Bourque) and a Dman (Karl Alzner) who appear to be ready for primetime. This is not to say there might not be better ones out there, but when you’re on a budget, fit what you don’t have any of first and then fill in the corners.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I agree with the principle but I think what Clowe is – a legitimate top six winger who plays with power and physicality – is the Capitals biggest hole right now (or maybe second biggest, after a second line center), and one no one on the current roster is going to fill.
If I’m McPhee, I make the call. Even if you think a second line center is the bigger concern, the chance to fill a hole a big as this one I’d want to go ahead and do it because you don’t know if that opportunity is going to be there after you try and find a center.
And not be able to fill the center because you spent too much on the winger by jumping now? That’s my big concern. Then I’ll have to listen to everyone here whine about Nylander all season.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
…or set Nylander up for a spectacular comeback season! Or something…
Naturally you run that risk, but if I’m McPhee I don’t want to wind up not being able to address either the hole at center or the hole on the wing because I was assuming I’d be able to work something out at center later on.
come oooooooooon Nylander. If you start fitting in, ALL the pieces can fall into place.
Do it. Do it now.
by ns on Jun 26, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Uh-huh. Did you just fall down the hole?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
i’m optimistic because i woke up feeling like today would be a complete disaster, but right as i walked into work, my favorite person in the office handed a delicious cupcake. it fixed everything. yes, a cupcake.
at least he will now have a full off-season injury free to work on some chemistry (yes, its a deep deep hole)
by ns on Jun 26, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Or, you could have MY morning where I came in only to learn that our server is completely full and can’t process anything. No cupcakes, either (but this oatmeal is rock-solid!)
I’ll be on here all day waiting for any last-minute trades before the deadline, I hope GMGM makes it worth our collective “while”…
by war_capitals on Jun 26, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? The Caps lack a legitimate top six winger who plays with power and physicality?
I thought we had some guy… Some Russian who plays more like a North American… Scores lots of goals, but he also hits people…
Damnit, what the hell is his name? I just can’t remember for the life of me…
/end sarcasm/
Seriously, while I see your point, I think that #2 C is a much bigger hole. A bruiser forward would be nice to have, but not vital. We absolutely need a center for the second line now that Feds is officially gone.
Hey now, I never said the Capitals didn’t have one, I said they could use another one. Obviously you want four top six wingers and right now the Capitals have (imo) two, only one of whom is physical.
Yeah, I was just busting your chops a little.
However, I think a lot of people (not you necessarily) forget that we already have a “physical presence” on the top lines, simply because Ovie doesn’t fit into the Ryane Clowe/Milan Lucic mold.
I don’t think anyone forgot that. Everyone here knows what AO can do. This discussion has nothing to do with AO. I think everyone is still stung from the fact that our Top 6 badly let us down in the playoffs. It’s not like Clowe is going to cost 5 mill to resign. He’s going to cost about 2.5 I’d guess. That’s not going to destroy our chances at getting a 2C and it would significantly upgrade our top 6 wings.
yeah I am not opposed to Clowe, but i think Ov Backstrom and Semin – Legit #2 Center could take care of the top 2 lines pretty well.
If we add clowe and make sue for 2nd line C, we’ll be ok, and would have that gritier top 6 forward presence we were missing last year so it wouldn’t exactly be a disaster…
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Jun 26, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
On this same note, here’s what Copper and Blue (first bit via TSN) posted:
Meanwhile, the San Jose Sharks are in discussions with a couple of teams, with Sharks forward Ryane Clowe the centre of trade talks. The Toronto Maple Leafs have shown interest, but aren’t willing to part with their first round pick to close the deal, while the Philadelphia Flyers have also shown interest. However, San Jose is believed to have asked for either Claude Giroux, or Scott Hartnell…a price the Flyers aren’t willing to pay.Based on this, San Jose is either asking for a very high draft pick, a premium (and near-NHL ready) prospect, or a roster player.
Think anyone on the Capitals would make that work?
Um, I can think of several who can make that work. Tomas Fleischmann and Chris Bourque are the two who come to mind the moset easily.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Fleischmann and Bourque are not in the same category as Hartnell and Giroux. Of course, that asking price is seen as a little too high at this point, but I doubt either of those guys would get it done.
I’m thinking it would cost the Capitals one of their best prospects or something like Fleischmann and their first round pick.
I’d suggest at this point none of the Caps’ forward prospects are as good as Giroux, and they don’t need a blueline prospect (Alzner) unless they move one of their roster guys.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 26, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Flash + #24
I don’t see that as horribly unreasonable. Remember that when you’re bargaining, your first asking price should always be too high – I’m not surprised that SJS is doing that.
I wouldn’t be opposed to Flash + #24.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I don’t know that we want to give up a First or any of our blue chip prospects, and I don’t think we want to part with a roster player that the SJS will want. But, I think we could package a second and a guy like Godfrey or Seabrook and maybe get the pick. It’s not quite the same blue chip prospect or first round pick but it gives SJS two high quality prospects to work with.
Yikes, I wouldn’t. Alzner’s going to be more valuable than Clowe in the next year or two, I wouldn’t even give up Alzner for Clowe straight up.
Maybe I’m being too aggressive. But I agree that you can’t fill one need first then the other, there is possibility we don’t fill the need at 2nd line C. Take players and situations as they come.
Enh, I dunno. We aren’t going to fill everything at free agency. You guys have to know that. I see what you’re saying, but I don’t want to hear it out of you guys if we’re stuck with Skates-in-Circles.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Honestly if the team can’t find a way to get Nylander’s contract off their books, I’d be perfectly happy seeing if he can come in, reset, and be productive again. He’s a skilled player, he’s had success in the past, and he was fine in Boudreau’s system when the coaching change was first made, so it’s not that far-fetched. Then, if it doesn’t work, address it via trade.
Are you OK with Laich/Aucoin/Broda/Wilson/Perrault/Steckel as a fallback plan for the second line center?
The last few years the caps have had first Zubrus, then Kozlov who could play RW fairly well or C poorly. Brooks Laich can do that now. Maybe that’s the answer — find another RW/C who can be our fallback C if something goes wrong but who is signed to play RW.
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Alzner is our #1 defensive prospect, and no one knows if Carlson is going to continue his rapid development. Too high a price for me.
by ns on Jun 26, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah never would give up alzner. he is the best prospect we have, and the defense is already an issue. and Girioux is an UFA, so trading his rights wouldn’t give away much. i hate to give away prospects, especially some of our best ones. bourque should be good, so Fehr & bourque for clowe?
Any trade should include Bourque, I honestly do not see him making our roster. I do see him playing in the league and the kid deserves a real chance.
The way I see it, the Capitals have ten forwards who should be on the team next season:
Ovechkin
Nylander
Semin
Clark
Backstrom
Laich
Bradley
Fehr
Steckel
Fleischmann
which means, right now, they’ve got 3-4 spots open up front. I don’t see four guys beating out Bourque for that spot, even including free agency and trades.
Where do you put him? Isn’t he a top 6 player in theory?
OV/Backstrom/Fehr
Flash/Nylander/Semin
Laich/Steckel/Clark
Beagle?Bourque/Gordon/Bradley
I guess that could be the lineup… However, Osala might get a look and Beagle fits in better on the 4th line than Bourque would.
Borque is high energy guy that chases the puck and plays with intensity. You can put those guys anywhere. Just because Borque has skill doesn’t mean he has to be a top 6 player, he’s not Flash. We got beat in the playoffs because we didn’t have enough guys who played with intensity and chased the puck down. I want to see what Borque can do with a real NHL chance before we move him, unless the offer is too good to refuse.
bourque should be good, so Fehr & bourque for clowe?
San Jose has to think they can get more for Clowe than that.
yeah that was dumb come to think of it. semin,bourque, poti, 2nd rounder for clowe and thornton? i would love to see semin stay, but he has big downsides with injury and penaltys. thorton would certainly solve the center issue, but i dont know his cap hit. again, if we could dump circles there is a possibility there. im still not sure sharks would take that
The Sharks are still a very good team, and that return doesn’t do them much good when it comes to next season. Semin’s good,but there’s not way he replaces the productivity of the guys San Jose would be giving up; the Sharks have enough defensemen; Bourque isn’t worth all that much as an NHL player right now.
Sharks may be trading a Center, but it sure as heck won’t be Thornton. If you want to expand that trade, try throwing Marleau in…
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
So lets say we trade Lepisto/Flash + 24th pick for Clowe.
OV/Backstrom/Clowe
Semin/Nylander/Fehr
Laich/Steckel/Clark
Beagle?Bourque/Gordon/Bradley
I believe SJ has 7 D under contract next year, dunno why they would take Lepisto or any D prospect for that matter, unless it was a top shelf one.
by Bald Pollack on Jun 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
except Fehr will be gimpy fo some time after his surgery. don’t think we can count on him. dude is a mess.
by ns on Jun 26, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont think GMGM would trade away a 1st rounder. he would rather develop than anything else. also, remember we got green at what, 29? i dont think clowe would be worth that risk. most of gm’s picks have developed and been good, so i wouldnt want that opportunity to go away for anyone not a superstar
Clowe is a solid young RW, the development has already been done. Trading an if, for a solid player is not a risk. Remember GMGM traded Ted Ruth for Fedorov, that paid dividends.
yeah thats true. anyone we get 24th would most likely be about as good as clowe in a few years, so this would really give immediate help. i just look at the caps and most of those players came from the draft, especially in hershey. but to become a legit contender, they need to fill in those holes and clowe would
anyone we get 24th would most likely be about as good as clowe in a few years
Look at the draft history of guys picked in the 22-26 range and look at how few guys there are like Clowe – 6’2’’, 225 pound forwards who can score 20 goals and 50 points. The odds of getting someone as good as Clowe at all, let alone in the next few years, are pretty slim.
also, remember we got green at what, 29? i dont think clowe would be worth that risk. most of gm’s picks have developed and been good, so i wouldnt want that opportunity to go away for anyone not a superstar
Most of McPhee’s first round draft picks in a very short time span have been good and even the best general managers miss more than they hit outside of the first part of the first round. The odds of getting a buy who’s better than Clowe at 24 are pretty small (which is why San Jose wouldn’t take #24 for Clowe).
hell clowe was picked 175th overall. this again just shows how important draft picks can be. yeah, most picks this late dont turn out like this, but many of the 1st rounders turn out to be good. and i think you are overrating clowe a little bit. he is a good player and can really help a team like the caps, but he isnt a real force by himself. like doughboy said, he posted 52 points, but he is also playing with great players. if he played on the caops 1st line, he’d probably put up similar numbers, which the caps can get from other players without giving up so much
by hockeyman33 on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I’m overrating Clowe – I think he’s a second line forward who can play up or down a line from that based on his team’s depth and that the offensive ability he has is rare in someone his size and with his mentality and that that make him a more valuable commodity.
The difference of opinion, I think, is in the value of the draft pick. The 24th overall pick is nice but to value it so highly that you wouldn’t give it away for anyone other than a star or to assume that the Capitals are going to nab someone who is going to be a more valuable asset than Clowe in the next couple years is indicative both of more faith in the depth of the draft class and more faith in the Capitals front office than I have.
yeah thats true. seeing what the caps have landed in the draft the past few years, its risky. they could get a jeff shultz or a mike green. but yeah i might be valueing it a bit over. come to think of it, earlier drafts landed gordon and fehr, both of whom havent turned out great though i like gordo. yeah its def a hit or miss, i just dont want to give up what could be a hit
by hockeyman33 on Jun 26, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Hold on a sec...
We’re all talking about Clowe as though he’s a tremendous talent. The guy has never put up more than 30 goals at any level, and he played in QMJHL, which is about as easy to score in as a brothel. It’s not as though he hasn’t been playing with good centers, either, with guys like Thornton, Marleau and Pavelski feeding him the puck at various points. His skating is suspect, particularly after missing almost all of 2007-8 with torn ligaments in his knee.
Essentially, he had a good playoff run two years ago and that’s about it. His best season was last year at 22/30/52, +8. However, 11 of his goals and 13 of his assists came on the power play. Just to play devil’s advocate, do you think that Eric Fehr couldn’t put up similar stats if given that much power play time, especially with dishers like Thornton and Pavelski?
Moreover, it’s not as though Clowe is young and still developing. He’ll be 27 by next year’s training camp. At this point, WYSIWYG – a guy who will max out at around 25 goals, maybe 30 assists if given lots of power play time, and isn’t a stellar defender due to mediocre skating.
If I were the Flyers, I wouldn’t trade either Hartnell or Giroux straight-up for Clowe, and I certainly wouldn’t even think for a moment about trading Alzner straight up for him. 2nd/3rd line right wings with a 25-goal upside just aren’t anywhere near as valuable as top-pairing defensemen.
I’m not saying I’d be totally averse to acquiring Clowe, because I think he brings some capabilities that the Caps don’t have in abundance (physical play and dirty goals in front of the net), but nor do I think the Caps should be willing to part with a prospect and a first round pick. Maybe Flash and a second-rounder, or Flash and the rights to Morrisson…
ha thanks man. they are just rippin me up here. i havent seen clowe that much, but he is a grinder and not a star. more of a secondary socring man, like laich was this year.
by hockeyman33 on Jun 26, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
physical play and dirty goals in front of the net
a grinder and not a star. more of a secondary socring man, like laich was this year
… i don’t know much about the guy, but if this is true, me gusta. of course though, if the price is right.
by kellobellow on Jun 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
At these prices, stay away, George!
The deals being bandied about for Clowe are ridiculous—SJ is selling high on this guy, and if Philly were to give them either Giroux or Hartnell, well party on Paul…I don’t see Philly being much of a player unless they are able to unload Briere (good luck with that)
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by bigonetimer on Jun 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
2nd line center
while we are talking trades to fill holes, marc savard would be a great fit into the second line center. could really help semin and laich
yeah he makes 5 mil through this season, so there is no committment. leaves open cap space if backstrom and semin sign extensions and they kick in. i dont see nyls playing next year regardless. he sat in the playoffs, he doesnt fit in BB’s system, and he cant be happy with the caps. IF we could just dump nyls and even theo, we could fit him in. Toronto could be looking for a goaltender
by hockeyman33 on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I love Savard for, especially for his salary and contract length, I just wonder what it’d take to get him to DC (short answer: trade Pothier)
Unless those Nylander-to-Russia rumors end up being true, I don’t think the Capitals are getting cap relief there. I don’t think Toronto wants Theo – they already have Toskala.
What, you think Hershey wants him? OK, that’s mean, but that’s an awful lot of salary to be sitting down there. Unless there’s a team that would be looking to pick him up on re-entry. Still, he’s probably worth something here. Maybe more than anyone thinks.
Is Savard on the block? Why would BOS trade their best C and possibly one of the top 8 centers in all of hockey?
So lets say we make a move and somehow get Savard, we then have 3 of our top 6 players after next season needing contracts and raises.
Do you keep 2 C’s? And get really strong down the middle?
I really think you can only answer that question after seeing how close Gus II is after this season and how much money Semin wants.
Broda and Perrault also have potential to contribute at the NHL level a year from now. I think that’s a problem the team can safely postpone
by Gould Old Days on Jun 26, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think worrying about trades this off-season isn’t worth it unless you are speculating for next off-season. Nyls and Theo are locking up alot of cap-space and i think most of the moving around that the Caps are going to do is between the Bears.
Next off-season is going to be HUGE. Seeing how the synergy of the very successfull Hershey Bears players do with the Caps, seeing how much money Semin wants, buying out Nylander, and somehow trading Theo.
Next season,If we could get Nylander and Theodore off of the team cleanly, the Caps will be in an amazing position. They would have an amazing group of AHLers coming up and ALOT of cap room.
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