"Philadelphia gets: Steve Eminger, D Washington gets: John Carlson, D Looking back: Over the...

"Philadelphia gets: Steve Eminger, D
Washington gets: John Carlson, D
Looking back: Over the following nine months, Eminger would find his way to two more teams via trade and Philadelphia ultimately ended up with an underwhelming, but blossoming Matt Carle to play an offensive role on the back end.

"Washington dropped a player who wasn’t giving them anything they couldn’t immediately replace and Carlson could very well put up more points in his rookie season than Eminger had over five years with the club (43)…especially alongside Mike Green."

- THN looks back atthe trades made at last year's draft

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Good times, good times…

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by J.P. on Jun 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions

Somewhere in Springfield, a bully is delivering his trademark “ha-ha” at the Flyers for this move.

by war_capitals on Jun 23, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions

Said bully is counting his chickens before they’ve hatched ;)

Carle worked out pretty well for the Flyers, which is what the trade ultimately boils down to for them. They needed a good D fast, to fill injury holes on the blueline.

BROAD STREET HOCKEY.
The Flyer Frequent.

by Ben Rothenberg on Jun 24, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions

Eminger and Downie for Carle doesn’t make Eminger and a mid-round pick worth John Carlson. The Eminger/Carlson trade was before the FA period even started so Holmgren wasn’t contemplating injury replacements vs. a future pay off. He thought that Eminger was a better choice than bringing in Carlson and waiting for him to develop. He was wrong on that front, regardless of how he managed to salvage the mistake by taking advantage of TBL.

by Rob Parker on Jun 24, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I wonder if George wore a mask and a gun when he made that deal?

by b.orr4 on Jun 23, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions

and giggled madly

by ns on Jun 23, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Could this be GMGM’s greatest act of highway robbery (I know it is too early to tell)? or would it be Feds for Ruth? or Adam Oates for 4 picks?

by vt caps fan on Jun 23, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions

I liked how he turned Brian Sutherby into Huet…That was looking like a complete steal until Huet didn’t re-sign.

by B19 on Jun 23, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Huet got us into the playoffs and Sutherby has already moved on. It was a steal regardless of Huet not resigning and given his contract and his performance it’s better that he was here for a short time.

by Rob Parker on Jun 23, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

…sounds like a fanpost! (nose call, not it.)

by Natty Bumppo on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Hockey Future has Ruth as Columbus’ #5 ranked prospect.

We should continue to trade with Philadelphia as much as possible.

by Stormblue on Jun 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Not to be crowning HF as the definitive source, but they’ve also assessed his ceiling as a #5-6 defenseman and that’s a big if.
CBJ also had a good group of guys move to the NHL recently.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Jun 23, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions

gimmee Brayden Coburn for……Mo? please??

by ns on Jun 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Coburn was Philly’s great fleecing…

traded to the Flyers from Atlanta for Alexei Zhitnik in a deadline deal. Atlanta got swept in the first round that year and then bought out Zhitnik’s contract one year later.

by Stormblue on Jun 23, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions

from a draft day trade perspective it definitely has the potential to be greatest. still early but Carlson seems to be a Green-like steep dev curve atm.

by usiel on Jun 23, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions

too soon to tell…

uhh...uhh...uhh...

by hotdog88gt on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions

As they say across the pond

Advantage, Mr. McPhee.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Jun 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions

Actually, its not even Philadelphia who looks the worst in this deal...

Its Tampa Bay.

Remember, they traded Dan Boyle to get Carle, then they turned around and traded Carle to Philly for Eminger and Steve Downie, and then they traded Eminger to Florida for Noah Welch and a 3rd Round pick.

So in other words, they traded Dan Boyle for Noah Welch, Steve Downie and a 3rd round pick….ouch.

Ron and Fez Noon to Three

by YvonLabresMoustache on Jun 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions

So in other words, they traded Dan Boyle for Noah Welch, Steve Downie and a 3rd round pick….ouch.

Not exactly.

The Lightning traded Carle and Lukowich for a first round pick, a fourth round pick, Ty Wishart, and Carle. Then they traded Carle for Eminger, Dowie, and a fourth round pick. Then they traded Eminger for Noah Welch and a third round pick.

So in essence they traded Boyle and Lukowich for a first round pick, a third round pick, two fourth round picks, Steve Downie, Ty Wishart, and Noah Welch

by David Getz on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

damn, that’s Waddell-y

from the house that Red Jesus built

by bigonetimer on Jun 23, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I like John Carlson.

by Gould Old Days on Jun 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions

After the playoffs in which Eminger looked solid, I thought he’d won over the organization. So I was shocked and disappointed when GMGM traded him. Same thing with the Peter Bondra-Brooks Laich trade and Robert Lang-Flash and a 1st rounder trade.

I’ll never doubt George McPhee again.

by red army line on Jun 23, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

This is what confounds me about the Caps organization and the way fans seem to view McPhee. McPhee has, at least from my seat, done a very good job trading. If you compare his selloff to that of, say, Pittsburgh when the two teams were in similiar straits earlier in the decade, McPhee ended up with better returns.

Now, when it comes to drafting? The Caps seem to get so little after the first round. From 1998 to the present, the Caps have had only two players picked after #30 who have played more than 20 games with the team (Matt Pettinger, Nolan Yonkman; John Oduya and Krys Barch have plaed more than 50 games, but they’ve done it with other teams). Is McPhee the problem here (if there is one) or is that problem bigger?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Jun 24, 2009 6:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I think there’s a problem within scouting/development, and that resources may be better spent elsewhere. Carlson aside, the only other USHL guy since 05 (that I know of) on or just outside of making a roster is Goligoski. Stick to juniors and Europe/Russia, with the occasional hedge bet on a college player, since I presume most of the USHL guys are going there anyway*.

Not a scout.

by Bald Pollack on Jun 24, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions

There are a few others. Most notable (of the last ten years): Kyle Okposo, T.J. Oshie, Justin Abdelkader, Jared Boll, Blake Wheeler, Matt Carle, David Backes, and Ryan Malone.

by David Getz on Jun 24, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Jesus, Wiki’s got everything.

by Bald Pollack on Jun 24, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Jesus Wiki

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by J.P. on Jun 24, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Indeed.

by Bald Pollack on Jun 24, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions

Though Abdelkader went through college too, didn’t he?

by red army line on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions

Yes

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by J.P. on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

A number of those guys played college or Major Junior – I just included player who had been drafted out of the USHL.

by David Getz on Jun 24, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions

He might have had the biggest game-winning goal in Michigan State hockey history

Scored with 18.9 seconds left in the National Championship game in 2007 to break a 1-1- tie against BC.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Jun 24, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Could it be the way the Caps have historically developed their players? Systems, facilities, etc…I have no idea how much any of those would have an effect on the players…if at all..but I think it’s worth noting. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time in franchise history that the Caps’ AHL affiliate has been teaching the same system the parent club utilizes. Combine that with nicer facilities at all levels and maybe the team is finally giving their prospects the chance to succeed.

by Yoshietree on Jun 24, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions

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