"After watching Washington Capitals left wing Alex Ovechkin beat him with four shots through two games of the Eastern Conference quarterfinal series, Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury said Tuesday he would not be surprised if Ovechkin plays with an illegally curved stick blade.
"'I haven't taken a look at it,' Fleury said. 'The puck sometimes sticks to it pretty good, even if it's bouncing.'
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Ovechkin, who has scored 50 goals in a season three times, has never been caught using an illegal stick during a game. Former New York Rangers coach Tom Renney once challenged a blade used by Ovechkin, but officials determined it was legal.
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J.P.
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because obviously, if he’s scoring that much, his stick must be illegal. it’s not like he usually scores a lot or anything.
by kellobellow on May 6, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ovi does use an illegal curve a lot though. I don’t know what everyone below is talking about.
Ovi’s curve is like a horseshoe. He has about 50000 sticks on the bench though and isn’t always using an illegal one.
So you have counted and measured them?
I know, they let you into the dressing room right after you arrive at VC from giving the Nationals their Steroid delivery from BALCO…what is the basis of your statement? This sort of talk by Fluery is really wrong headed IMHO, he needs to focus on his and the rest of the Pens’ games not creating additional distractions…
Seriously, you wrote it on the internet so it must be true, why waste the bytes of data?
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
…a curved stick doesn’t keep a puck from bouncing… how does that make sense?
Desperate, much?
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions
I think a NHL goalie has a little more insight into this than any of us do. I mean he DOES face shots for a living, so maybe he knows what sticks can do to a puck.
But this quote is a bit reaching, you can bet if #8 used an illegal stick it won’t be on the ice tonight.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And as a player, I know what bouncing pucks do. They have to do with the state of the ice, not the curvature of the blade. The speed of the shot is affected by a curved blade, not the stick-handling of said puck.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Pucks also bounce if they’re not frozen properly.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
But is he talking about the stick being able to control the puck even if it is bouncing?
I don’t know if he means it prevents it from bouncing.
Remember MAF’s primary language is french and something may have been lost in translation
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
'The puck sometimes sticks to it pretty good, even if it's bouncing.'
I think he means his stick can control a bouncing puck.
Does anyone else get that?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i understand what you’re saying. i’m actually wondering how the topic came up – aka, was it a baited question? you never know.
That is a good point.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll concede that MAF may not be saying what he means, but, answering the question he posed, no, the curve should have little to do with stick-handling a bouncing puck.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I think it could help a little,
but you would have to have ridiculous hand eye coordination to take advantage of it, and at that point does an extra 1/4" make that big of a difference?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I mean. It shouldn’t make much difference. Crosby, for example, uses an almost straight blade, but he can stick-handle that bad boy in VC just fine, too. Maybe it was a baited question, but the answer came off desperate on MAF’s part, so I took it as such.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right. The big curve can help control a bouncing or rolling puck, but you still need a ton of skill to do something with it. Just look at his third goal the other night. That puck was on edge but he cupped it in his blade and whipped it top corner. Most guys in the NHL can’t do that regardless of what curve they had. Shooting a puck on edge with any power or accuracy is very hard to do. If all it required was more of a curve you can be sure more people would have figured it out. This ultimately comes down to AO’s God given skill.
this was my thought. not a lot different than AO being asked if lundqvist’s pads were too big. “sure, yeah, too big.” the curve check is likely more the media looking for a story than an option tonight.
by Natty Bumppo on May 6, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Usually players who use illegal stick will have regulation ones on the bench for use in important situations where they are most likely to be called out on it.
That said, I doubt Ovechkin uses an illegal curve. His stick was a lot straighter when they had the more stringent rule in effect. It’s only gotten curvier since the rule change.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Right, I mean from his Rookie year on, it’s gotten a lot bigger.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Which I’ll take to mean that he was playing within the rules.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a NHL goalie has a little more insight into this than any of us do. I mean he DOES face shots for a living, so maybe he knows what sticks can do to a puck.
I concur that point. But do you get a sense that doubt is creeping into MAF’s mind and causing him to find excuses for his inability to stop shots (regardless if its AO or not)?
by RedskinFan4Life on May 6, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Breaking News: Penguin Complains about Something
In a related story, the sky is blue with clouds in it sometimes.
The keyboard is mightier.
by breed16 on May 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 21 recs
What? Not in Pittsburgh it isn’t. It’s black with steel mill pollution.
Get your facts straight!
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That stopped in the 70s.
But thanks for the stereotype, they are always nice!
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Cry-baby and Cracklin’ play in the Pitts of Hell?
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well at least we all know Ovaries are red
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Why because he responded to a comment about Pittsburgh from someone that probably has never been there…and then DrinkingPartner came with this intelligent comment “Cry-baby and Cracklin’ play in the Pitts of Hell?”.
If you’re going to call carolinaeasy out you should be calling out DrinkingPartner too…and lot of others that are seem to be posting brilliant (atleast in their head) retorts and comments.
by Yoshietree on May 6, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is how they act here
Other blogs I belong to don’t do this stuff. They can handle opposing points of view. Here there is a propensity by a VERY SMALL MINORITY to label opposing points of view as trolling. Very Republican isn’t it?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This happens at every Penguins blog I've ever been on.
Frankly if you point anything out on another teams blog that calls them out even remotely they get all ban happy.
Pensburgh isn't that way.
Frank and Hooks run a great site, I have rarely seen it there.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
They do run a great site, but as you said yesterday in a thread, only about 5 people tend to regularly visit and make comments, thus the rareness you speak of above.
+1
I wish more people visited that site.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I made a Steel City stereotype joke (i have been there, the rivers are very nice), and carolina here took it personally. So I continued.
That’s all :-).
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless you count the giant penis at the end of the row of bushes.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I love that DC doesn’t have a skyline of bigass high-rises. I prefer the view from Arlington across the Potomac to all the monuments. (For the opposite view, stand at the Lincoln Memorial and look back at Arlington).
I understand that skylines such as Manhattan are cool too, but I like that DC is unique.
by meatball20 on May 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The mall area is gorgeous.
DC has its own unique charms and I am, as an american proud of it. I really like the new WWII memorial.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, all I can say is...
don’t venture over to Camden Chat (SBN’s Orioles blog) with that thin skin. You’ll be bleeding out of your eyes within minutes. You should read what we say to each other, let alone other teams’ fans…
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Indeed. It’s a shame Baltimore doesn’t have a hockey team. I’d love to finally get rid of the “O” during the National Anthem at Caps games. We have a baseball team…there’s no longer a need for anything Peter Angelos in this city.
Yeah, no need for the "O" in DC anymore
As bad as it is, you do have your own team….
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Yes - a "not so good" baseball team
is something we also share with the folks from Pittsburgh – along with great hockey teams populated with many of the greatest players in the game today. Even if some of them:
- whine too much,,,
- celebrate too vigorously,,,
- become invisible in the playoffs,,,
- take too many cheap penalties despite averaging more than 1.4 goals/game played
- have goalies who make easy targets for MSM guys to get silly quotes from because of the 4 or so languages they speak English is not their primary language…
- etc…
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
DP was getting nasty and in my opinion a little out of line with you throwing out names for Crosby and you pull out “Ovaries” again just like in a previous thread where you were called out for tagging Ovechkin with that moniker.
Not only that you did it my post chastising DP rather than DP’s post. Have some netiquette and watch your tone is all I ask.
You don’t need to reply to this, just show me you understand.
Not nasty. If I’d have been nasty, I’d have come up with new names. I used the most common WSH nicknames for them (though, admittedly, I haven’t seen Cracklin’ too often) and made another play on the pollution joke with Pitts of Hell. I mean, c’mon guys :-).
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry you fellas don't fine Ovaries to be funny, and I feel you guys made that moniker acceptable when ya'll went fishing on another blog for my comments.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Also sorry I didn't click reply on the correct comment. Didn't intend to get your web sensibilties in a jumble
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy, carolina, easy.
It’s my impression this is a big happy blog family and the managers try to keep things respectable.
Why thank you I didn't expect you to be so nice...
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Please let my post here be the last one….let’s jump back to the left
by Cluster on May 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d Yoshie. Hating on the city is just lame. D.C. isn’t the coolest city in America so don’t start throwing rotten vegetables at other cities. I mean, this place is a freaking swamp. (And Flash had a good game 1 so there)
Keep a watch out for four gentlemen riding horses tonight…F&B and I have agreed twice in one afternoon.
Well, it shouldn’t be so unexpected. After all, “pigs flying” is supposedly a rare occurrence, but all I keep hearing on the news is “swine flu.”
Groan.
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by J.P. on May 6, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haaaaaaaaa! God, I wish I’d thought of that first.
’Fess up, how long you been waiting to use that one?
I should note, it might not be the best sign that I think that is effing hilarious…
Much like its subject illness, some variation of that line has been going around for weeks.
Japers' Rink: Hockey blogging from the most powerful city in the world
No really, this strain has both swine flu And avion (bird) flu dna in it. Look it up.
My “theory” has been that this was all caused by a flying pig who’s feeling under the weather
Crosby as Captain
Has lead his team well. Now they all complain about everything.
by gfcaps fan on May 6, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I don't mind this so much.
Go ahead, piss Ovie off. Between this and the piddly fine for Kunitz’s slash, AO could be quite entertaining tonight.
Also, their team and the media keep saying that Pittsburgh is doing everything they need to be doing right now. Yes, PLEASE keep thinking every aspect of your game if fine right now. PLEASE chalk up both losses to the Caps playing dirty by throwing picks (Cooke of all people whined to the press about that) and Ovechkin’s offensive output is solely because an illegal stick.
It drove me nuts to hear the Caps after the first 2 games of the Rangers series talking about how well they played, because effort or no effort, you gotta win the game and that’s all that counts in the post season. If you aren’t winning, you gotta figure out how. Yes you can acknowledge the good, but that’s not where the focus should lie if you aren’t winning.
If you don’t adjust and you just expect the bounces to go your way and the wins to roll in, you’re probably going to find yourself on the golf course before you can come up with another reason why you “should have” won.
I’m perfectly happy if they want to focus on the perceived violations by the Caps rather than the deficiencies in their play.
by Vickster on May 6, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Shhh...
Vickster:
Stop please, before they figure it out and start focusing on playing the game. We want them to keep whinning and distracting themselves, after all the issues they had earlier this season were all Therien’s fault, now it’s all because our guys are a bunch of cheaters. Man can’t you figure it out….just admit it our team, the Caps are totally outclassed by the Penguins. I mean it’s not like their team captain ever punched anyone in the stones, or things like that. Clearly our hometown boys, the Washington Capitals, are just plain outclassed and sooner or later it will all come out in the wash…
LETS GO CAPS!!!!
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
ya know, if you really think you got something on a guy, is it the best call to shout it out?
Pretty clear who’s been floating around in someone’s head. Memo to MAF: it’s going to get a lot worse.
from the house that Red Jesus built
Yeah, pretty much. That’s why I say I hope they do try calling out Ovi’s stick.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
it’s amazing how much mouthbreathing is drifting up from western PA. I mean, MAF is actually piping up? All hat and no cattle.
I hope we run his ass off the ice tonight.
from the house that Red Jesus built
Contrast the two goalies..
MAF: Ovie must have an illegal stick
Varly: I don’t even know how the first one went in. I just kept playing.
And that is one reason among many why the Caps are up 2-0.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
If the Pens brought the same desperation to their game as they do to their post-game interviews, this series would be 2-0.
Capitals Kremlin the second line center of the Caps blogosphere.
by CapitalsKremlin on May 6, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 14 recs
Pens 2 Caps 0 I mean to say
Capitals Kremlin the second line center of the Caps blogosphere.
by CapitalsKremlin on May 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
So that’s what Kunitz was doing – showing Varlamov up close that he wasn’t using an illegal curve. NOW I understand, just a misunderstanding…
by Icebat on May 6, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
You don’t tug on Superman’s cape
You don’t spit into the wind
You don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don’t mess around with Red Jesus.
by TylerG on May 6, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
If you can't beat him on the ice...
Flail at him in the press
by snowburnt on May 6, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The Waaaaambulance is in high gear today. We’re also “littering the series” with illegal picks that should be called as interference.
And what does Boudreau have to say in response to the Kunitz non-suspension?
Simply: “It is the league’s decision. We thought it should have been more, but we’re not going to lose sleep over it.”
Play on.
by Stephen Pepper on May 6, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I have quite a bit to say about the Pens and Caps media relations after games, but I’ll save it for when this is all said and done. Who knows what will happen.
Capitals Kremlin the second line center of the Caps blogosphere.
by CapitalsKremlin on May 6, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Pittsburgh media is just reporting the bleating of the team’s players and coaches.
But certainly the tide of complaints could always turn – indeed there’s a long way to go yet.
by Stephen Pepper on May 6, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Avery, I don’t recall the Caps complaining. And I personally give them a pass for Avery.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been a while so I forget the rule...
..the most memorable stick-curve infraction was McSorley in that Kings-Habs Stanley Cup Game 1 right? But anyhow, I forget: If a team challenges an opponent’s stick-curve and it is found to be LEGAL, does the challenging team then incur a minor? Must be, right? Sidebar: I recently found out that in the official rules of Scrabble there is no penalty for challenging a legitimate word in error…meaning a player could conceivably challenge every word with impunity. If the stick-curve rule were to work that way, I’m sure coaches would challenge more often.
There is no way with all this media attention AO will play with an illegal stick. Or is there? Baseless speculation sure is fun.
i’m sure he’ll check it after he bends it pre game
by ns on May 6, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the number of sticks OV goes through in a game
playing with an illegal stick would be a lot of work…
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering how often Ovie whiffs or shanks his shots, if that is an illegal stick, he should consider using a legal one.
an authentic Bobby Orr stick...

while we’re discussing this, it is interesting to observe how—similar to tennis-racket technology—hockey sticks have changed through the years. That’s essentially just a piece of straight wood!
on a related note: ILLEGAL STICKS ARE A JOKE
they should just get rid of the measurements nonsense all together.
by ns on May 6, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d – it’s a bullshit rule for goalie equipment that sucked in the 80s. Or did it come about after that? I don’t even remember…
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
By that same logic, should the league eliminate restrictions on goaltending equipment when it comes to size?
It’s different. The curves were put in place because the shots were coming too hard and injuring goalies. That’s not really a factor anymore.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s also the question of competitive balance too, which is why people are discussing Ovechkin’s blade with regards to whether it boosts his performance, not whether it’s unsafe.
Me thinks that competitve balance wreaks of socialism :).
And if one is arguing that the curve of the blade is boosting OV’s performance couldn’t one argue that the lack of curve on Crosby’s blade is boosting his?
/flame on
Shit Yoshie, we are in unchartered territory. If a curved stick is a competitive edge then it is one that all players could use to their advantage. If you could just score 50 goals by hooking your blade more guys would do that, but it’s not that easy. The curve on a blade is personal preference, and everyone plays with a different one (for the most part). AO gives up power and accuracy on his backhand for a wicked forehand. The competitive advantage balances out.
Don’t you worry — they will before too long.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the curve regulation is supposed to be for safety reasons and the stick flex has nothing to do with that. Also, the flex has to do with who is using the stick.
If I gave you an 85 flex stick and I used an 85 flex both of our shots would be very different.
Yeah, but same with curve.
I mean, if the curve can be legislated for safety reasons (shot speed, mostly), why not the torque of the stick too? It also helps guys generate speed.
(I’m guessing the answer is that high-flex sticks are quite new compared to stick blades.)
A weak complaint, yes, but...
MAF was completely baited into this one from what I gather. The NHL.com Caps-Pens blogs claims the exchange was with a Pens beat reporter and went this way:
Rossi: When a player can shoot the way Alex does, there’s only so much that can be natural human strength and speed, that maybe sometimes a stick can be bent a certain way to move the puck. You ever concern youself with that?
Fleury: I’m sorry, can you repeat that?
Rossi: Is his stick legal?
Fleury: (laughing) You should have said that the first time. Keep it simple.
Rossi: Is he using an illegal stick?
Fleury: I don’t know. Haven’t really taken a look at it. The puck kind of sticks to it pretty good.
Rossi: Would you be surprised if he was?
Fleury: No.
Either way, I don’t care. They can challenge it if they want. shrug If it is illegal than that’s on Ovie for not taking all the warning they are giving him here. I highly doubt that would be the case, though.
by vi on May 6, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
it's a good point
like the Crosby-hat thing….practically all the quotes of Penguins whingeing and whining are answers from direct, pointed questions from reporters…quotes that are then removed from context and circulated as examples of complaining. It’s like leading the witness. I take them all with a grain of salt.
by DonnieKnutts on May 6, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
yes and no
I agree completely in this particular case. I love AO, but if someone asked me “Would you be surprised if his stick has an illegal curve?” I’d answer the same way. It isn’t like he went out of his way to complain about it or was emphatic about it or anything.
With the hat thing I still think there are a lot of things Sid could have said that wouldn’t have come off as nearly as whiny. Yes, it was a bit of a baited question as well, but a lot of them are these days. Ovie gets a shitload of them too. If you are Crosby and you don’t want to sound whiny, you just don’t take the bait.
by vi on May 6, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said above, I know his stick’s RIGHT on the line at illegal, but I’d be surprised if it actually were. That’s a team hurting move, and AO is not the type to do that intentionally.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be my guess too, but it’s hard to say for sure given all the circumstances.
That said, I’d bet money you won’t find Ovie anywhere near an illegal curve tonight. You’re right, he wouldn’t put his team in a bad position that way, given this little hoopla, and that’s just not the way he works.
by vi on May 6, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
True but...
You would think that by now Crosby and MAF especially would be more circumspect in their statements to reporters, even or perhaps especially those from the Post-Gazette. These quotes are pure fodder for their opponents bulliten boards between and before games.
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the Tribune-Review, and Rob Rossi is one of the worst beat writers around, IMO. Certainly the worse of the Pens’ two beat guys, the other being Dave Molinari of the Post-Gazette.
JustinM: When a beat writer can ask questions the way Rossi does, there’s only so much that can be implied, that maybe sometimes a question can be pointed a certain way to get a juicy quote. You ever concern youself with that?
Fleury: I’m sorry, can you repeat that?
JustinM: Are his questions fair?
Fleury: (laughing) You should have said that the first time. Keep it simple.
JustinM: Does he ask leading questions?
Fleury: I don’t know. Haven’t really thought about it. The quotes kind of stick out pretty good.
JustinM: Would you be surprised if he was?
Fleury: No.
Pittsburgh Black And Gold -- So new, it still smells like paint!
Still, it’s the Pens reporter giving the Caps Bulletin board material. You’d think they’d be smarter than that (the reporters that is)
you don't read much pittsburgh media then do you?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In that same vein
The players don’t have to answer leading questions at all. Tortorella didn’t answer a single question he wasn’t inclined to and he was straightforward about it. Fleury didn’t have to give the guy any validation at all. He could have said something like “it’s my job to stop the puck, not worry about what the other team is doing”.
You can put these guys off without being rude or leaving anything open to interpretation.
Torts is a different personality than a player, especially a soft spoken player like Fleury. You could tell watching those interviews that HE was in control of the interview, not the press.
Agreed, and most players feel they have a vested interest in keeping the press (such as it is in this case) happy. Players who are difficult with press can end up public enemy #1 very quickly in the eyes of the public just because certain writers displayed them in a certain way.
Pittsburgh Black And Gold -- So new, it still smells like paint!
I don't think he says the stick is illegal
This is a beat guy looking for a story…end of story
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
by carolinaeasy on May 6, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Rossi: Is he using an illegal stick?
Fleury: I don’t know. Haven’t really taken a look at it. The puck kind of sticks to it pretty good.
Rossi: Would you be surprised if he was?
Fleury: No.
Sounds like he is
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sssssh! We’re trying to get motivation here!
by HeartbreakRidge on May 6, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is everyone kidding themselves?
Ovi uses illegal curved sticks. He uses legal ones too. Almost every single European player uses illegal curves before they get to the NHL and many of them keep trying to use them after they are in the show.
Source? Proof? Pictures?
Otherwise….ubsubstantiated character assassination.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Agreed. I need to see an illegal curve before I believe he’s using one. In that same vein, however, Semin would be my bet to have more than half be illegal.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, proof
You’re big on allegations and rather thin on any evidence backing them up.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
There are pictures of probably 3 different curves. When Ovi uses his illegal one the toe curve does this weird super curve with a tilt up.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ovechkinpalace/3479031392/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kicksaveandabeauty/3052940340/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frenchkheldar/2264853800/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheshistory/2969576782/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheshistory/2969576862/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dinur/3318657764/
Much better
Even 4th grade math studnets have to prove their work. Thanks for the links. Not saying I still agree, but at least it’s just not spaghetti thrown against a wall, seeing what sticks.
Matt Wieters took batting practice this morning. There were no survivors.
Dude, with all respect, screw you a tad. It’s pretty easy for you to just post “no it’s not, no it’s not” without providing any proof that his curve really isn’t illegal too.

by zephyr on May 6, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
these are good pics, but...
i’ve played ice hockey for 14 years and they are all borderline and you can’t probe it without measuring them, there are a lot of blades you can go and buy that are curved the same as the one above, i remember i bought a mcsorley blade when i was a junior and it looked like above
804 Nats Fan
The fact that you can buy a blade doesn’t it isn’t illegal. I used to have a Bondra stick with a blade that was almost 7/8’’. I could just about a fit a quarter under that thing.
i’m just saying man, this is a stupid convo, you can’t tell w/o measuring, so its pointless to discuss this
a lot of guys use illegal curves, who cares, fans need to be less sensitive and take the ear muffs off
804 Nats Fan
Oh ok, since you think it is stupid we’ll all go back to our caves now.
You also go from, well you can’t prove it without measuring but yeah everyone uses them in two sentences.
chill out dude?
You can’t prove it visually, thats why they measure it, duh? But it is common knowledge that a lot of players use illegal blades.
I wasn’t saying everyone get off the message board asshole, i was just saying there is going to be some good hockey tonight and we can probably find better things to talk about instead of pure speculation
804 Nats Fan
seriously man whats your problem? I haven’t done anything to you, i made a simple statement and you decided to be an ass, why?
804 Nats Fan
and futhermore
we are both caps fan so why be an ass to another fan supporting the same team?
804 Nats Fan
I don’t think I was an ass to you until you called me an asshole, told me to chill out while you were the one overreacting,…etc.
And sorry, I didn’t know you were a Caps fan.
I thought he was calling you an asshole at first, but on re-reading, I think what he was saying was, “I wasn’t trying to say, ‘get off the message board, asshole’ I was just pointing out…”
In other words, he was saying “While it may look like I am calling you an asshole, in reality that was not my intent”.
Let’s all play nice.
all i said
was there are better things to talk about and you came back with the caves comments and saying i was contradicting myself which i clearly wasn’t, why do you decide that my opinion on an issue is worse than yours?
804 Nats Fan
I didn’t decide that my opinion on an issue is better than yours. I just didn’t appreciate you saying that the conversation was stupid just because we can’t scientifically prove anything implying that YOUR opinion trumps everyone. Especially when you follow up on the next line going back to the conversation you say is stupid.
We discuss intangibles all the time here.
In any case, I think you took my first reply to you way too harshly because it wasn’t intended that way I can be a bit catty when someone calls me an asshole and tells me to chill out.
Anyway, welcome from Nats to Caps I’d like to drop this with you because I really don’t care at all.
Okay..
“Dude” – how do the pictures you posted “prove” OV plays with an illegal stick? They all look marginal but probably legal to me. What about your “life’s experience” makes the calibration of your eyes better and more accurate when coupled with your judgement than mine or any other person who disagrees with you – intelligent or unintelligent?
I personally believe if he regularly used illegal sticks it would get out and opposing coaches would challenge them, especially on nights when they loose a game by a goal in which he scores a hat trick.
However, like you that is just my opinion something like you I’m entitled to.
Flame on if you will
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
In zephyr’s defense, he does play hockey and that stick in the picture above does look a lot more curved than the “max legal curve” example.
But nobody here can say for certain whether he ever uses one or whether he’s used one in this series, so let’s just leave that up to Bylsma to figure out. I think this thing will blow over quickly since the Pens will be too scared to risk the PP against if the stick (when they call for the measurement) is legal.
on his head or face? (or does it matter?)
by RedskinFan4Life on May 6, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant the 70s mop he’s rocking. Holy AO!
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you’re not aware…but a good amount of goal scorers use sticks that are illegal now and again. Ask Bondra, Jagr, Kovulchuk, Spezza…etc etc
Yeah but ...
I’m sure none of the Pens like Crosby would ever think of that. It’s not like they would do anything dirty or low like:
- cross checking a goalie while he’s in the crease or
- punching someone in the family jewels during a hockey fight or
- whining about a bunch of non-sequtar stuff rather than “manning up” and saying "those guys beat us tonight and we have to beat them next game – no excuses, “no prisioners…”
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
crosby actually uses the flattest stick in the league. he uses his backhand to pass so often, he likes zero curve. different strokes for different folks.
Here is a picture of a 3/4 inch curve for comparison. This is the MAX curve allowed.

by zephyr on May 6, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
not proof that AO uses an illegal curve (although zephyr’s picture is pretty damning), but check out some of these brett hull quotes:
“It’s the stupidest rule on earth,” said Hull, never one to hide his honest opinion. “It was put in to protect the goalies back when they did it, but now you can shoot a bullet at them and you can’t hurt them, so I don’t really understand why they need it. Obviously it’s there, but it’s something a lot of guys ignore.”
“I had an illegal stick all the time and it wasn’t so much that I thought I was cheating, but, you know, I wouldn’t have got 300 goals in this league unless I’d had that stick that I used. I couldn’t shoot it without that curve.”
“The good thing about it [is] that it [is] up to the discretion of the other team. They have to call [for a stick measurement]. It’s not something where the ref could see your stick’s illegal and call a penalty on it. Everyone knows who’s cheating, but most of the [coaches] with class and any kind of integrity would never call it. To me, everyone knows it’s a terrible rule, so if you need to do that to win a game or get back in the game, it’s [garbage]. "
and from the same article by alan muir:
How prevalent is this offense? Go down the list of the league’s top snipers and many of them — including Ilya Kovalchuk, Jaromir Jagr and Teemu Selanne — were nabbed last season with an illegal curve. Ask around and the belief is that as many as one-in-five players regularly break the rule, secure in the knowledge that they’re unlikely to be caught.
One player likened it to speeding. “You’re on the highway and the speed limit is 60, but everyone is going 75. Everyone’s doing it and the thinking is, if so many guys are speeding, I can get away with it, too. And if they only catch one, it’s probably not going to be me.”
it wouldn’t be scandalous news if AO were switching out illegal sticks with legal sticks between shifts.
Yup, that’s exactly what I’ve been saying.
Great quote finds by Hull even if the rule for his stick curve was even worse (1/2!!)
I’m a goalie and I still find all of this ridiculous. I’m fine with guys that use these crazy curves because I know they don’t have a chance of getting a quality backhand shot off on me.
as someone that hasn’t played hockey, here’s my question: AO seems to strongly favor his forehand on shootouts and breakaways, and has mentioned before that his backhand is no good.
in the past, i’ve attributed this to his curve. but semin seems to have no problem whatsoever switching to his backhand and roofing the puck, and his curve looks as bad or worse to the naked eye. how much of AO’s reliance on the forehand has to do with his stick?
The bigger the curve the more it hurts the sweet spot on the backhand. Semin is more skilled than Ovi is so maybe he’s just better at switching to the backhand?
Ovechkin isn’t really a sneaky deke-deke-deke player when it comes to the goalie like Semin is either. He wants to launch the puck so hard into the goalie that it won’t even matter if the save is made since the goalie will get launched back into the net with the puck.
That’s just my opinion.
by zephyr on May 6, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No argument with the general comments but I'd add
In many ways OV’s lethalist weapon is the quickness of his release. He seems to know that pretty well and often sacrifices other options like a more measured, accurate shot, possibly changing up to his backhand, etc. in favor of using his extremely quick release on his forehand wrist shot whenever he thinks he sees some daylight before opposing goaltenders can react.
This comment has nothing IMHO to do with wether or not the curve of his stick is too radical or not, however it does seem to point to his techniques, etc. in shootouts and breakaways. Anectdotely, he seems to favor either a lateral move and a forehand wrist shot or best of all a forehand wrist shot from around a partial screen offered by a defender. So for him a bigger curve of a stick is less an issue then say Semin, Backstrom or Laich. Mike Green also seems to like more curve since he is rarely using his backhand….
LETS GO CAPS!!!!!
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 6, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s interesting, I’d always thought Green used a relatively flat blade, as defensemen tend to favor less of a curve since the flatter blade allows for a bigger sweet spot and thus (1) makes slap shots easier and (2) gives you more of a margin of error, important when you’re playing a position where mistakes are more likely to come back and haunt you.
When I was growing up, playing bantam and pee wee hockey, my father forbade me from curving my stick; the accepted wisdom was that “you can’t shoot a backhand if you curve your stick.”
How much of that is true? I have no idea.
Most of the articles of faith in sports have been proven to be flawed at the very least, and hockey, in my mind, is the most egregious offender in this respect.
in basketball the accepted wisdom used to be “if you lift weights, you’ll lose your jump shot.”
then along came michael jordan.
Ooooh, good one. I remember that one distinctly. My high school basketball coach locked the weightroom door so that we would not go in there and use it. We all wanted to work out to look good in the unis, and he told us it would ruin our “touch”, lol,
The baseball coach told us it would make us “musclebound” and ruin our flexibility.
Man, that’s funny to reflect on.
I know when I look for a stick I tend to get a slight curve
but that is only so I do have a thick backhand. I shoot left but have better control with my backhand so I like a more neutral blade.
Now I have no scientific proof, but just playing experience, the deeper the curve the less control I have felt on the backhand. But I am not a world class player and I am sure Ovie can use a curved stick and not notice a distinct difference in the backhand. Again skill trumps equipment.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
Each player’s going to differ in their ability and how much they draw from feel and such, but it is a physical fact that a more curved blade leaves less surface area to touch the puck on a backhand.
I’m like you, personally, like the less curved blades for the bigger sweet spot both on the forehand and backhand.
It also helps to note that I am not a "sniper" style of player.
I am a mucker and play around the net looking to slam one in, the rare time I break loose I am looking to use the back hand because I feel more in control on the shot.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
Silly rule
1) They need to do away entirely with limitations on curves. That silly rule was started to protect goalies(then they didn’t wear masks- really, its true- LOL) Now with the body armour they wear its archaic to have the same rules in place. Banana blades have advantages and disadvantages
2) Just another playoff time mind games issue. Probably going to have zero impact one way or the other
I find sometimes it's easy to be myself
sometimes I find it's better to be somebody else
...unless Bylsma issues a formal challenge during this series
…at which point the hockey blogosphere will explode.
by DonnieKnutts on May 6, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
In any case
Ovechkin will not be using an illegal curve tonight after all this media hype. The Pens really shouldn’t have shown their hand if they actually wanted to try to get a PP from this.
It’s not that Ovi uses a stick with an illegal curve, or anyone else ( more than just Ovi do, and not just European players). The problem is catching the player with the illegal stick when they actually have it on the ice. The mechanics of stick challenges in the NHL are brilliant in that they ensure that the entire game isn’t a series of stick checks. Once the a coach asks for a stick measurement there will be someone going to the box for 2 minutes to feel shame, either the player who’s stick is being challenged, or a player on the ice for the challenging team (if the measurement asked for is found to be legal, the challenging team gets a delay of game penalty).
If Ovie is using an illegal curve, they should call him on it. The measuring device is provided at the arena and if the requested measurement should be made. I think though, they better get it right as the Pens PK hasn’t been all that good in the series so far…
Let's go Caps!
If they call Ovie out, the Caps call some Pens out
That’s why they won’t do it…because EVERY TEAM has players who use illegal sticks.
They’d be handicapping Ovie, possibly, but themselves as well.
And no one wants a tattle-tale team out there anyhow or a bunch of stick challenging going on during the playoffs. What a bore that would be.
This whole thread is much ado about nothing.
It’s not exactly bitterness that the guy was asked “Do you think Ovechkin uses an illegal stick?” and he responded with essentially, “I dunno, I guess it’s possible”.
I think it was more “most likely” than “possibly.” Again, native french speaker, but he made it seem like he thought it was illegal.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
MAF is not much of a media guy.
He is a nice guy, and I am basing this on his behavior around me and my younger brother in law. I have meet him at practice and he is more than willing to go out of his way to talk hockey and take pictures and shake hands for young hockey fans. He is soft spoken and respectful, hell he called me sir and I am only 25. He is a nice guy and I really think this is out of character and that leads me to believe that something is lost in translation/ or lost on paper.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
I think that’s just the way it’s being framed to try and make it a more interesting story. The only quote I’ve actually seen from Fleury is “I haven’t taken a look at it. The puck sometimes sticks to it pretty good, even if it’s bouncing.”
Yeah as my mom would say "there isn't a lot of meat on that plate"
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
1. I think the stick-curve rule was prompted by Bobby Hull? As many have noted, it has been mooted by the advances in goalie’s protective gear, and it ought to go the way of the dinosaur. Since it’s the interwebs, I’ll note that I personally see a whole shedload of Canadian parochialism in the rule: “The Golden Jet”, cruising into the zone with his 3-inch curve and breaking out the hammer was not “hockey as it should be played”, i.e., two farm boys from Red Deer mucking and grinding in the corner, and the odd French guy providing some glitz and glamour. The fact that the Golden Jet could do better than the guys from Wawa, well, that fact had to be regulated back into control. Rant over.
2. This issue was first raised by the Empty Netters guy. I think he’s both looking for a story and hoping to get in to AO’s head. He noted in a column yesterday or today that AO immediately switched sticks after scoring his third goal yesterday as support.
3. I firmly believe that most of the snipers in the league have and regularly use illegal sticks. I remember Bondra dashing over to the bench and speaking urgently to the equipment guy once – they replayed the scene with a closeup on his face and you could read his lips: “I need my legal stick”. Laughlin just about died laughing.
4. Much ado about nothing.
Hah, man I wish i could eat lunch with Ovi everyday. He is just hilarious. All I could think of after reading that quote was the chappelle show, “I plead the 5th” sketch,
by zephyr on May 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember Mactavish's famous gambit this season?
Calling for a stick measurement and it going against them:
“Against the Ducks, the Oilers had improbably rallied from a 4-1 deficit with two late goals and 2 minutes 11 seconds left on the clock — lots of time left to perhaps force overtime. At that juncture, MacTavish called for a stick measurement against Ducks winger Teemu Selanne, thinking that if Selanne’s stick were illegal, the Oilers could go on the power play. The stick delivered into referee Kerry Fraser’s hands proved to be legal after all, putting the Oilers a man down and effectively ending all hopes of a possible comeback.”
You better be right, is all, because the ensuing power play may be a series backbreaker.
which was gonchar’s point when he was asked. i’d be surprised to see a check during the game. more to get in AO’s head if anything.
Yeah, the chatter on it accomplishes the objective for Pitt. If Ovie uses a legal stick all the time, it doesn’t matter. In the considerably more likely event that some of his sticks have illegal curves, he now might hesitate before going to them.
Watch Crosby or Malkin get called on it this game.
I don’t think BB will play like that but it would be funny.
by snowburnt on May 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That made me laugh out loud
That would be really funny if Bruce went and challenged a stick!
I say in the last couple minutes of play if the game is already decided why not?
Won’t happen, but still.
This was just posted on NHL.com
“When asked directly about Ovechkin’s stick, Crosby tried to be evasive, saying, “He’s got a big curve. I really don’t know. I don’t know curves well enough to know what’s illegal and what’s not.”
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
I am afraid to open that at work! LOL
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
Link
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
""I don’t think that’s really a concern," Crosby said when asked about the size of his blade curve. “I don’t have to change my stick in the third period or anything like that. I don’t have to worry about the curve becuase all you need is a 2×4 to shovel in trash by the net.”
by zephyr on May 6, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Okay getting a little liberal with the quote now
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
He didn't say anything about a shovel in the real quote
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
I bet he would have gained 1 million cool points with people that hate him if he used my edited quote.
Well even with a shovel it takes balls the size of 16lb shotputs to plant in front of the net in a stanley cup playoff game.
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
I was just making a funny quote. I didn’t say he shouldn’t be doing it or he is less of a player for doing so.
I know...I was just saying he scores, he scores. ya know?
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
I’d watch it with them balls around Orpik.
by snowburnt on May 6, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol +1 as a pens fan that is still funny
Success without honor is like an unseasoned dish, it will fill you up but it won't taste good. - Joe V. Paterno
pretty sure (from my perspective) it looks like a dong.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
Crap, I already said “that’s what she said” once this thread…
That’s what HE said!
w00t.
by DrinkingPartner on May 6, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
As is so often the case, the Peerless says it best
“So, to recap…Sidney Crosby suffers from chapeauphobia, Matt Cooke is really dainty for a tough guy, Dan Bylsma sounds like the guy giving press briefings at the State Department, and Marc-Andre Fleury still needs to think more about stopping pucks than the sticks scoring them.”
The picture that goes with the full article is also great!
http://peerlessprognosticator.blogspot.com/
The Peerless and Japers are the best blogs in town.
by Vickster on May 6, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Crosby's got a a sick playoff beard
and MAF is growing his butt tickler out
From Richmond to the District
Sounds like a case of the whine flu if you ask me.
by Bonzai on May 6, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs





































