Caps recall Alzner, Sloan
"Defensemen Karl Alzner and Tyler Sloan are on the ice here at KCI. Both were held out of last night's game in Hershey because of an 'illness'. Apparently, they've made a miraculous recovery and here in Washington for the morning, presumably because injuries to a few Caps blue liners." - Capitals Insider
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I think the latter is more appropriate, considering that the D was playing well (36 shots against in G1 aside), and if two of them are out (Poti and Erskine?) in favor of a couple of guys who haven’t played an NHL game in months…
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Is there really a consensus that it is 2 injured blueliners? Is this just some trickery because they don’t want to give away that Erskine is hurt, and will be replaced by Alzner?
They’ve recalled both and I doubt they’d use one of their three remaining transactions on trickery, so these have to be two emergency call-ups, I’d think, meaning both are in.
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That’s a good question, and I should think not.
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Personally I’d guess Green over Poti, though Poti took a shot then limped off last game. Buuut he also finished the game…so I dunno anymore.
Nothing to be positive about either way.
Maybe “good” wasn’t the right answer. At times earlier this season, Alzner was our third best defenseman. And at times last game, Erskine couldn’t keep up with the Pens’ skaters. So, “not worried” is probably the better alternative to “scared out of my shorts.”
The keyboard is mightier.
Mannnnn, not Erskine! (I never thought I would say that)
Hope you can step up and play well King Karl.
I only want Sloan if he does this to a few pens: Youtube – Sloan obliterates Daymond Langkow
Lest we forget...
Sloan was invisible after that hit.
I remember someone remarking that Erskine looked a little slow out there, can Alzner or Sloan keep up better?
Wasn’t that also the play where the Caps went scoreless on a 9 minute power play? I’d love to forget that
Jeez, thanks for that memory. :)
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he did score a goal against Dallas….. :-)
by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This year, who didn’t? Turco was like a brick in net. Just one brick. Standard sized.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
How does this effect the caps call-up limit? Didn’t they only have 4 non-injury callups left?
One would have to assume there are legit injuries for them to call up 2.
My assumption is that these aren’t non-injury call-ups. Both are likely emergency recalls, I’d think.
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The only reason I can think they might not be is that Hershey has rolled right along without them (apparently). Perhaps they’re here to rest Erskine/Poti/whomever. After all, we’d have an emergency D if Schultz were healthy. I hope only one of them gets in.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking Erskine’s out with the shot he had off the foot in Game 1 and Karlzner in for him.
Sloan maybe insurance if Poti or Green aren’t a 100%. Just my guesses.
Pretty good ones I think.
We've got a goalie who's playing pretty good right now, while you've got one who can't get onto the ice without falling on his ass.
by Bald Pollack on May 4, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Also remember in the Game Day Thread how we were a little concerned about Erskine’s speed, so if there is something like a bruised foot, that could slow him down but wouldnt take him out of a regular season game, Bruce may not hesitate to switch him to a young kid who’s relatively sound D wise and a little speedier.
Rose-colored glasses view:
-If they can help reduce the 36 SOG Varlamov took last game he’s shown he can make the CYA save a D-man might give up in a game.
-Remember on the goalie decision they didn’t have to go with Varly when they did, they chose to put him in at home and then make a decision about the road based on that performance. Maybe the D men they are replacing could go, the team’s just not sure their all is up to par given less than critical injury
I’m not so worried about quantity as quality. D did a pretty good job of clearing out rebounds, but a pretty bad job in allowing a lot of odd man rushes.
by Gould Old Days on May 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
so much for trying to limit Green’s ice time…
by Pivonka, Michael Ridley on May 4, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions
Carlson scored a goal yesterday.
And yes, with the long-term glasses on, that isn’t a bad thing at all.
That boy’s going to be Cap early next year, isn’t he?
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be so sure. Alzner wasn’t. Green wasn’t. GMGM likes his kid Ds to get some seasoning in the A.
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by J.P. on May 4, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose that’s true. No matter if he comes in at 20 instead of 19, unless he absolutely destroys the AHL, and it’d be detrimental for him to stay down there.
But that’s wishful thinking.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re right, but Green was coming out of a totally crappy Saskatoon Blades organization, and he had been injured during his draft year. Alzner was initially a victim of numbers (both roster and salary cap), then I think he showed that he needs to work on his strength down low and his game-to-game consistency.
Carlson is coming out of a superior junior environment, he’s physically much more developed and conditioned than either Green or Alzner at this stage, he’s going to get to display his skills in the AHL playoffs, and the Caps potentially have a couple of defenseman slots opening up next year.
I look at Carlson’s situation and I think they might fast-track him like they did with Eminger. Obviously, they won’t be bringing him up the year after his draft year, like they did with Emmy, but Eminger played on a Memorial Cup team, so he had a good background coming in, like Carlson. Maybe that’s not such a good idea, seeing what happened to Emmy. I think he’s one of the last cuts from camp and potentially one of the first call-ups when a D-man goes down.
It’s a real shame what happened with Eminger. What could have been. Sigh. Anyone else think he’s going to figure it out one day and be a pretty good 2-3 defensman?
I think at best Eminger has one season in him where it all comes together. But I think he could stick around in the NHL for a long time as a role player.
by Gould Old Days on May 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I give him more credit. He had a good playoffs for us last year, and he was becoming a good Defenseman before that bastard ankle injury against NYR in… ‘06-’07? Then he deteriorated fast.
I think he can become a poor man’s Timmonen at some point. Good, but not great, and better than decent.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a real shame what happened with Eminger. What could have been. Sigh. Anyone else think he’s going to figure it out one day and be a pretty good 2-3 defensman?
I think it’s possible, but pretty unlikely. I think his more realistic ceiling is as a 4-5 guy and a more physical version of Brian Pothier.
Every time he has gotten some ice time, he has put up decent numbers. His +/- is bad because, by and large, he has played for crappy teams. Maybe Pothier is his upside, but I think he’s a little better than that, especially because he can bring a physical edge that Pothier lacks. He’s still young for a defenseman, though. Wideman is the same age, and he only really emerged these last two years. I think Emmy just needs to find the right situation. Sadly, I don’t think that is Florida; even if Bouwmeester leaves there won’t be enough ice time for him.
I just see Eminger as too much of a tweener. He’s not a good enough offensive defenseman to be a #1 powerplay point. He’s not a shutdown guy. He’s “other.” I think it’s hard for teams to justify making space for him on spec. It would take a pretty smart team to realize what he could be and give him a good chance. He needs to get lucky.
But for example, I don’t think the Caps’ defense has been a huge strength this year. Good, not great. And I wouldn’t take Eminger over Green, Poti, Pothier, Mo, Schultz, Jurcina, Eminger, or Alzner. He’d be the 9th defenseman on a decently good, but not great team. That’s not very promising.
by Gould Old Days on May 4, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, the game winner, no less. The Bears are rolling right now. Neuvirth has won 6 straight playoff games (11 of 12 dating to reg. season). I love this organization.
by Scott in Shaw on May 4, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Erskine has been a beast in the postseason. That 2 year extension is looking better and better. Hopefully he’s ready to go.
Agreed. And I was definitely looking for someone to be the fall guy for what I thought was a god awful contract. Let it be known I can admit when I’m wrong…it’s just not very often.
Oh I still think Erskine’s agent must be an extremely good looking woman who offers services on the side…my point was that the 1.25 is easier to swallow now than it was when the contract was signed.
Yes. Erskine has shown more value in the past three weeks (three months, even) than he had prior to signing the extension, that’s for sure.
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since he came back from the concussion, right?
by Sombrero Guy on May 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that’s when I saw the marked improvement. It’s like that blow to the head changed him completely from a pylon on the ice to a beast of a d-man that we can count on any time, any place.
Pretty much.
I think the time off helped him a lot, given how physically he plays. Of course, by that theory he’d be wearing down now instead of playing his best hockey as a Cap.
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i can’t figure that Erskine’s a guy who doesn’t tough it out. I think you would have to put a bullet in him for him not to play.
That said, I think Alzner could play some and be ok. He has been getting a good bit of seasoning.
I think it really comes down to how many minutes Jurcina and Pothier can fill.
Actually, i think it comes down to how many minutes Alzner can fill. We’ve seen him perform very well – average. He’s been “resting” in the AHL since (what was it, February?) then, so he should hopefully be able to come up and play straight away, like he did initially.
But is he faster than Erskine? The problem with our blue line (as you all know) is that it’s not especially quick after Green, and I’m not positive about any prospect speedsters, either. Carlson is pretty fast, though, isn’t he?
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
But is he faster than Erskine?
maybe mentally faster… meaning he’s A++ in hockey smarts as a D-man. That’s how he’s been touted from day one if i’m not mistaken.
He also does not take penalties.
He has in 30 games played in the NHL a whopping TWO PIMs, and that was for shooting the puck over the glass. That is unheard-of in a defenseman. He plays SMART hockey!
In 48 games with the Bears in the regular season, he racked up 10 PIMs. In the playoffs, he’s 2 PIMs in 5 games.
That’s impressive, if you ask me. For the Caps, his low TOI was 13:53, and high was 24:45.
Carlson also has 0 NHL games of experience. Hell, even Varly had 6.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
Sorry, I wasn’t implying that Carlson would come up and skate. I meant that more as an aside.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Erskine is already slow and we are playing a team with good team speed. I don’t care if he wants to play or not you’d don’t put him out there on a bad wheel.
Erskine is already slow and we are playing a team with good team speed.I don’t care if he wants to play or not you’d don’t put him out there on a bad wheel.
The rest of that is irrelevant. Against a team with speed like the Pens, you don’t put ANYONE out there save maybe Ovechkin with a bad wheel.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
46 comments without an “Ugh… why Sloan and not Finley?!” Sometimes I forget how smart you guys are.
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I wouldn’t have cried if Helmer came up and not Sloan. Sloan may have had one huge hit that endeared many of us to him, but for the most part after that was only visible in a negative context. Helmer was largely invisible, and at the time, that was a great thing. He played good solid positional defense, and really, in my opinion, kind of turned the ship around from our terrible defense jumping to the mediocre. Of course, I’d rather Alzner than either.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 4, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I couldn’t disagree more. I thought Helmer looked overmatched at times and thought that for the most part Sloan took advantage of his time with the big club. And,if I remmber correctly, Sloan was a much smoother skater than Helmer, which is imperative against the Pens.
Without looking at quality of competition Sloan looks a bit better on paper.
Sloan – 26 GP 1G 4A +4 16:38 TOI/G
Helmer – 12 GP 0G 3A -1 16:36 TOI/G
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they called up the 2 D from Hershey that have the best skating ability (in my estimation, anyway). I’m hoping Erskine is out at most, but it does concern me that there were 2 callups. I could see the team just wanting to have two options to fill that one spot given the stakes/potential nerves and the Bears’ 2-0 lead.
Yeah. If nothing else, it eases my nerves that they care more about Hershey’s playoff run than ours (or, that they care as much. I’d rather we win here than in Hershey – sorry southern PA).
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
Nope, Helmer doesn’t have Sloan’s speed. My guess is that’s the real reason why not him.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Call up the Hershey captain during a Calder Cup run? Unlikely. He is the C right?
Though I would take him over Sloan in a heartbeat.
If the Caps thought that Helmer gave them a better chance to win a game than Sloan, he’d be here regardless of the letter on the front of his sweater.
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by J.P. on May 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Helmer is the Captain, but they do not play again until Wednesday. They could call him up today, but he played yesterday and Saturday. The man needs some rest SOME time!
Alzner and Sloan were out yesterday with “12-hour flu” or somesuch… :-p
And I am VERY upset with the Hershey Bears’ organization for that little white lie. :-p Maybe they had “Pine Flu*” or something…?
*Pine Flu is a mysterious illness with no symptoms that causes otherwise-healthy players to have to take a stint riding the pine, and renders them unable to play. ;-)
I’m legitimately surprised that they didn’t call up Kronwall. He has been a beast since heading to Hershey. He’s big, he can skate, he can hit. . . Plus, he’s that other Kronwall-guy’s brother. That has to count for something, right?
If memory serves, he’s coming off of a recent eye injury.
We've got a goalie who's playing pretty good right now, while you've got one who can't get onto the ice without falling on his ass.
Gotta make you feel good when our AHL team has our NHL teams biggest weaknesses (Goal, Defense) in trumps.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 4, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure our weakness is much different from theirs. both have talent, but much of it is young. I guess with Arsene and Helmer, you could argue that Hersey has more experience in some ways.
Another silver lining ...
is that more of our young talent gets exposed to Stanley Cup atmosphere … though obviously I’d prefer good health all around that would not necessitate the callups.
Sounds like it is a 7th spot on the blue line that is being filled
I am not sure how this will really impact the game, other than to give a few minutes to a young guy. If I was you guys I wouldn’t be too concerned.
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We have to be concerned…otherwise we’d have to work.
by snowburnt on May 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And I can’t be bothered with work when there’s speculatin’ to be had!
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s the 5th/6th D spot and it’s a top penalty killer who has been great in the postseason that we’re talking about being scratched. Is it likely to be the difference tonight? Maybe not. But it’s certainly worthy of concern.
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Nah, Erskine’s probably out given the morning skate. Seems like BB is looking for speed in his callups; both Alzner and Sloan are good skaters.
This crowd needs something to be concerned about. :)
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I’ve got Malkin, Crosby, and Gonchar to worry about, i don’t need our D, too. :-)
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I still think that instead of booing when Crosby touches the puck, we should all start in on that whimpering cry like a baby does. Doubt I could get enough people to do it, though.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I’d rather focus energy on supporting the Caps than on denigrating their opponent, but that’s just me.
And so far in this series I haven’t seen any whining out of Sid pre-, in- or post-game.
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Not to mention that the whole “Crosby Sucks” chants in Philly only served to make the crowds look foolish. Sid was a beast in Game 1. As annoying as he is, no need to feed the monster.
Totally agree
Saturday afternoon was a perfect example. He scored just as the booing got off the ground.
Sloan on his scatch (via TEB)
‘Stay home, you’re sick. And your partner caught the flu.’"
Hahaha I love the NHL.
That about made me snarf my lunch.
TEB also confirms that they were looking for the speedier skaters. Alzner and Sloan are definitely that, though I can’t say I was impressed with Sloan Saturday night when I went to the Hershey game. I don’t think Helmer’s got the speed that Boudreau is looking for.
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Nice work, especially given that it’s Star Wars Day (May the fourth be with you and all…).
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Alex Ovechkin as Han Solo. “Never tell me the odds.”
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Yes, that’s why I brought it up :) Hey, it was somewhat less frightening than the Potter thread. I thought I was the only geek here.
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I enjoyed the Potter thread. A lot of fun given the nervous situation.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
poor sloan, i know it would be nice for his dad to see the game, but i think collectively, 18k+ will vomit in their mouth.
Oh, don’t you worry, I’ll likely vomit regardless of the line-up :-).
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
“You’re supposed to puke, Tony, you’re a goalie.”
by D'ohboy on May 4, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When deciding which Hershey defensemen to recall, Boudreau joked that he called Bears Coach Bob Woods and asked which of them had the best playoff beards.
For the record, both Alzner and Sloan have scruffy beards.
- CI
Hmm….
Good LORD. We made the right decision.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
Hey, that’s ONE thing Cole’s doing in the playoffs right now…
We've got a goalie who's playing pretty good right now, while you've got one who can't get onto the ice without falling on his ass.
by Bald Pollack on May 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s damn fine, young man. He’d be in my army. Of beards.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice. A couple more weeks and he’s Ray Lamontagne.
by #Six on May 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get healthy Jeff Schultz!
/flame proof clothes on
(he did play well against the Pens in the Regular season)
I was wondering when that card would be played. Kudos.
We've got a goalie who's playing pretty good right now, while you've got one who can't get onto the ice without falling on his ass.
by Bald Pollack on May 4, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d take Schultz over Alzner over Sloan for tonight, if all three were healthy.
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by J.P. on May 4, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they should’ve brought up Arsene.. he was my D partner in NHL 09 and he played amazingly. That’s just my personal experience and opinion of him though. :-)
Did he retire? I haven’t heard that name in a long time, now.
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
If Erskine is out (and it looks like he will be since he left the morning skate early), then Alzner should be able to step in and play. I suspect the King Karl will not look out of place at all. Remember he’s been playing in the Calder Cup playoffs, and has played against the Pengins already this season. Sure, it’d be his first game in the post-season, but he’s not making his NHL debut here (he’s played 30 NHL games!)
I’m thinking he’ll be fine.
Let's go Caps!
True, but Alzner wasn’t playing well at the end of his last call-up. As we wrote then:
King Karl has a minus-9 rating since December 22, the worst giveaway/takeaway ratio of all Caps blueliners and the highest GAON/60 of all Caps rearguards at both 5-on-5 and 4-on-5. Is it possible that he’s just not ready?
Guess we may get an answer tonight.
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i just hope it’s alzner who plays.
Right now, this point in the season is where you want that top pick to come in and be a stud. He has the pedigree, he has handled the stage before with the WJCs, he needs to come in and play a good game.
no slight to Sloan, but he isn’t a major part of the future.
Right now, this point in the season is where you want that top pick to come in and be a stud. He has the pedigree, he has handled the stage before with the WJCs, he needs to come in and play a good game.
Didn’t we say similar after Game 1 of the Rangers series? ;-)
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no, i said give Jose another shot. I was dead wrong. So what Bruce picks at this point is fine, because he’s infinitely smarter than me.
Right. I just meant once the decision was made and we were locked and loaded. Nevermind.
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who knows, i’m not thinking straight, i’m nervous. damn Pittsburgh teachers at my school I work at are hassling me.
You should transfer. Or “transfer” them? Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
by DrinkingPartner on May 4, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Quite frankly, now is the worst time, not the right time, for a top pick to come in. I’d prefer for him to be in Hershey for the remainder of the year. As for the rest of your post, WJCs is nothing like the second season and as JP noted, his overall performance was not strong when he was sent back down. Hopefully his confidence is up, but I’d rather see both him and Sloan in Hershey or in a suite tongiht.
If someone has to come in, would you rather a scrap heap AHL player (Sloan could have been had for a dime) or a top pick with a good pedigree?
I don’t think that’s a hard choice. Sure, I would love to see a good NHL quality defenseman coming in, but we don’t have that at this stage waiting in the wings.
I’d say just about zero. Fedorov’s been taking so many restraining fouls that I don’t think him on defense helps, and I don’t know that Nylander would help much either.
I’ve been wondering for a few weeks when they’re going to give Feds the asthma test ala Dave Poulin
Probably wouldn’t help but certainly couldn’t hurt.
In Feds’ defense, he did put AO on the end of a couple nice passes (the backhand chip to his left and the cross ice pass in the Pens zone shortly before “The Save”), HHTs aside.
We've got a goalie who's playing pretty good right now, while you've got one who can't get onto the ice without falling on his ass.
by Bald Pollack on May 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to see Alzner or Sloan score tonight. Both, if applicable.
Just throwing that out there.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
Still hoping to see the Captain Chris Clark light the lamp. Prefer it at home so we can give him the respect it deserves but I’ll take it where ever.
I’d like to see them both get natural hat tricks, one one shift, Jean Beliveau style, in 44 seconds.
Sure, and I wouldn’t mind getting a hatty from anyone else too while we’re at it.
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
I'm going to call Schultz with a unassisted hat trick.
The fact he is in the press box will not deter the amazing power of the Schultzy!
Schultz for Norris!
From an opposition point of view...
…I’d rather see Sloan on the ice than Alzner, though Alzner seems to make more mistakes with the puck when I watch these guys in Hershey. It’s kind of a toss-up, but let’s be honest—Erskine has been playing above himself recently. I don’t think the Caps will see all that much of a drop-off, and the Pens don’t have Sean Avery.
The Alzner beard is impressive. Well worth a call-up on its own.
All in all, this is a minor factor that I don’t think will change things. This game, much like Game 1, should be decided by the special teams. If the Caps score on the PP while the Pens blank again (for the 5th time in a row—don’t remind me), the Caps win. If the Pens PK blanks the Caps, the Pens are in good shape, given the slight advantage we’ve seen in 5-on-5 chances. That’s a big “if.”
Regardless, it’ll be another fun one to watch.
And I’ll be curious to track the shift lengths. I don’t think that’ll affect a guy like Ovechkin, but it sure seems to have its effect on Green.
Yeah, I bet I’m done for the day. Spent all morning in a meeting, so I missed all the excitement until a few minutes ago. I love the 12 hour flu. And just last night I was reading swine flu jokes (so to speak, more like fear of it actually infecting the teams).
same here - i haven’t gotten much done today. hope my boss doesn’t find out. I hope to catch the game tonight, but i’ve got a group meeting tonight. (wish i could say it was a CA meeting - Caps Anonymous)
by RedskinFan4Life on May 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
doh—- stupid line should not be there….
by RedskinFan4Life on May 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why are the caps playing during finals week. I have 2 essays and a final at 8am tomorrow, and all I’ve been doing today is reading Japers and other articles, college needs to postpone finals till the caps are gone, hopefully sometime in june
If your profs would accept a note from me excusing you from your work and tests, I’d be happy to write one.
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