Circular Reasoning: The Nylander to KHL Rumors
by tuvanhillbilly on May 29, 2009 12:02 AM EDT
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[Folks over on the Caps message board have been talking about rumors of Michael Nylander also being interested in the KHL. Kozzy and Feds and Circles, Oh My!! Could this be true? Well have a look at a translation of the original piece reporting this, from Sovietsky Sport from a week ago (with a link to their source in the Czech Republic) and judge for yourselves. To call it a rumor at this point would be generous.]
Nylander and Kaberle to Avangard?
Sovietsky Sport 21 May 2009
Washington forward Michael Nylander and Carolina defenseman Frantisek Kaberle might become players for Avangard Omsk this summer.
"I heard this information, but it's premature to talk about anything. Carolina is in the play-offs and Frantisek is only thinking about the Stanley Cup. I know he wants to remain in the NHL. But, of course, you can't discount anything from happening" said Kaberle's father in an interview with Deniksport.cz.
Nylander still has two years on his contract with Washington, according to which he should receive over 8 million dollars.
"Right now I don't know what's going to happen. But Omsk is searching for a really high-class player to strengthen their team" said Jaroslav Zidek, agent [for Jaromir Jagr. -TH].
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Nyles going would really help our cap situation, freeing enough space for maybe even H. Sedin.
by red army line on May 29, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’d be a mistake – the cap reportedly could go down to 50 million in 2010-11 (although it probably won’t, because the economy should recover for the most part by then). But that cap space could be put to good use in a number of different ways, no doubt.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the NHL/KHL allow for transfers, similar to FIFA? I would guess no, but I’m not going to suggest otherwise.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 29, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t, but teams can loan players abroad and get cap relief. If memory serves me Kasparaitis and David Aebischer were loaned from the NHL to teams in Russia and Switzerland.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I think those loans were made ahead of the Radulov fiasco.
Thoughts on Nylander aside, I’d hope this doesn’t become a slippery slope if true.
by Bald Pollack on May 29, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting read from back in October about the possibility of a Khabibulin loan to the K.
Frankly, I’m not sure how much Radulov’s situation figures into a loan situation in which the teams mutually agree to the transfer, but perhaps we shall find out.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Khabi, now that his contract is up, I’d presume he’s gone also. It should be interesting ground to tread.
by Bald Pollack on May 29, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s gotta be, and they have to feel more comfortable with Cristo after his performance in the elimination game than they did after his previous outing.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how anyone could feel comfortable paying Huet more than 5.5M until 2013.
by superjuan on May 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering they’ve gotta resign all of their guys to second contracts this and next year. I’d presume they’ll try to move him somewhere for a 60 cents on the dollar offer.
Otherwise, hands up for signing Versteeg to an offer sheet?
by Bald Pollack on May 29, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Versteeg is exactly the type of player this team needs.
by ns on May 29, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McPhee has said repeatedly that he doesn’t believe in signing other teams’ RFAs. He just thinks its the wrong thing to do to another team.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by ns on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, my reply was supposed to follow BP’s comment, not yours.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh it was just for S & Gs, pay no mind.
by Bald Pollack on May 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine the salary cap hell we’d be in if McPhee had matched Chicago’s offer?
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather not, thanks, and yet that is exactly what certain people on the Caps boards are setill clamoring for.
it makes my brain hurt.
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by gotsparkly on May 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean we’re not already? I get headaches wondering what they’re going to do for next year.
Yeah, I know, it would have been worse.
by gfcaps fan on May 29, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Feds, Kozlov, Brash and probably Mo leaving, they will gain about 9.5 million, so they’re in a lot better shape.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought we were actually over the cap by about 2.5 million because Pothier was on LTIR most of the year and when he came off, Clark was on it. And without that salary the team was right up against the cap.
by gfcaps fan on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re correct – if Pothier had been healthy earlier in the year or Clark later, there would’ve been some serious juggling to do.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you imagine the bliss (salary cap and otherwise) we’d be in if Chicago had accepted Nylander for Byfuglien and Sopel?
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a pretty good chance the team’s still playing in that scenario….
damn you Chicago, for coming to your senses.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If “ifs” and “buts” were candy and nuts…
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…we’d have been rid of Nylander by Christmas?
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle…
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid of Byfuglien.
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by boutros23 on May 29, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a dream come true – not because I don’t think Nylander’s a decent player, but because I think the Capitals could spend that 4.875 in cap space a lot more efficiently – but I don’t see it happening because I can’t see a guy request a no movement clause within the NHL and then going to Russia to play when he’s going to get paid regardless.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d. Mrs. Nylander didin’t want to go to Edmonton but she’d OK a move to Russia? If I were an Edmonton native, I’d really be pissed if that happened. On a serious note, Omsk is a lot closer to Sweden than DC and the family could probably live there while Michael plays. Maybe there’s some truth to the rumor.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh. never thought about that.
crosses fingers
by ns on May 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting. His kids are all American-born, assuming his family has been with him the whole time. I don’t know what ages they are, but if they are school age, that’s gotta be a tough decision.
“OK. Kids, You’re moving back to the motherland with Mom. You’re now Swedish.”
by Cluster on May 29, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The news just won’t stop pouring in. Leonsis may as well pick up the whole team and move it to Russia.
Here’s hoping Nylander goes overseas. Maybe he wants to feel like a superstar again by playing rec league.
by zephyr on May 29, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or by finding his way back to jagr’s line.
by Natty Bumppo on May 29, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much are flights to Moscow these days? So, to follow the Caps next year, we need to acquire a passport and a Russian phrase book. And don’t forget the warm clothing when we go to Russia, especially in winter time.
by CapsFan75 on May 29, 2009 6:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the visa1 When I went to Russia in 2002 I needed a visa. I assume its still a requirement.
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by Sombrero Guy on May 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need a visa if you want to travel independently through Russia. If you were part of a tour, you wouldn’t need one. Visas for Russia are among the most expensive of all foreign countries. I forget the exact dollar amount but it’s in the hundreds. It has nothing to do with internal security, it’s all just a dollar grab to pay for their deteriorating infrastructure.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we might as well trade Semin
because i really think he’s gone once his current contract is up.
i find this Nylander rumor hard to believe. considering all the nonsense we heard about his family situation, i can’t imagine them picking up and moving to Russia.
by ns on May 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about that. Semin should get a multi-year contract in the $5-6 million range in the NHL. He’d be lucky to get $3-4 million in Russia. I just don’t see him leaving the NHL or the Caps.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not as much the $ as the physicality and cultural factors that have me worried. i think he will get fed up with all the injuries and physical play and decide to pack his bags and head back home.
by ns on May 29, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What they don’t play physical hockey in Russia? Get real – Semin will be resigned before Easter.
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 31, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will throw a party.
People will ask, “what’s this party for?”
I will tell them, “it’s a going away party for Michael.”
They will say, “who is Michael?”
I will laugh for many minutes, and then say with grand bravado “EXACTLY!”
by marks4java on May 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can bet a truck load of Caps fans would offer to pay his plane fare/drive him to the airport!!
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by Fauxrumors on May 29, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could get enough donations to charter him a private flight out to Russia.
by Killer_Carlson on May 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Nylader going to play at Omsk makes sense. He and Jagr click really well together and Nylander always seems to have his best years when playing with Jagr. Nylander gets his $$ from Omsk, the Caps get Cap relief, everybody wins.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Caps on May 29, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It might make sense for a purely hockey perspective, which is my guess as to how this rumor started, but not from a personal standpoint based on what we know about Nylander. The positive for him is getting to play a more prominent role and play with a guy he likes playing with. The negatives are that he has to either be half a world away from his wife and three (?) kids or take them to Europe with him, and he’d be playing in a country where he has a limited grasp of the knowledge. Are incurring those hardships worth getting that opportunity, especially since he knows he can stay in North America and make $5.5 million this year no matter what happens? I kind of doubt it.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason Nyls chose D.C. over Edmonton, supposedly, was that it’s closer to Sweden. Isn’t Omsk closer than D.C.? And he has waaaaay more than three kids.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir, apparently he has six.
I’d never heard that Nylander was more interested in DC because it was closer to Sweden, just that he and his family were more interested in staying on the east coast.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One in the same – the reason for the East Coast preference was the shorter flight. I’m sure I heard that somewhere…
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I’d heard that his family knew more people and was more comfortable on the east coast…
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be. Who knows? I swear I heard that, though.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW:
his wife’s demand also included a city featuring quick flights back to Scandinavia. NY, NJ, Washington and Chicago all have direct flights to Stockholm, something that doesn’t exist in Edmonton, nor the Western US or Canada.
That’s just a comment on a post, but I’m pretty sure I read it elsewhere.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re both right. They still had friends from his earlier stint in DC, so they felt the transition for the family would be easier. His wife also objected to Edmonton because it would take her family in Sweden so long to get flights there as opposed to non-stops to Washington. And BTW, Stockholm to Omsk is 2,035 miles. Stockholm to DC is 4,127 miles.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(btw, I’m partially trying really hard not to get my hopes up on this rumor)
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, there’s nothing here. This thing doesn’t even turn the engine on for me. But it’s fun to dream on a Friday…
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If wishes were trees, the trees would be fallin’
by Gould Old Days on May 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Three? Try six.
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by gotsparkly on May 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he had more than 3 kids I’ve heard numbers as high as 7….I can’t see him going there and from a personal perspective I don’t blame him – I just wish he wasn’t eating up so much cap space these next two season….
by markbona-capsfan99 on May 31, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to put it like this, but Nylander goes, and we’ve got a massive hole in center, and depth becomes non-existent. There’s finally a real spot for him, let’s see if he can fit before we praise his leaving. Without looking, I’m pretty sure the crop at C this summer is pretty lean.
Another thing of note is that Russia newspapers will consistently make shit up. It’s similar to the summer before Ovechkin turned RFA – and every newspaper in Montreal was clinging to every word on how he loved it there. Kind of makes you see the difference in KHL vs NHL.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 29, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s finally a real spot for him
There’s always been a real spot for him – he just was never able to fit in it.
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactamundo.
I don’t think he is a bad player, he just is a bad fit here. whether it be russia or anywhere else I just want to see him out of here :)
the team could put that money to much better use.
by nuftjedi on May 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The old chicken and egg. Is it the player’s job to fit into the coach’s system or is it the coach’s job to find a way to bring out the most in a player’s ability? Or is it a little of both? I do believe if Nyls stays ( which I think he will) we’re going to see a much better player than we did this past season.
by b.orr4 on May 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(To clarify, by “never” I mean “post-Hanlon”)
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by J.P. on May 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s finally a real spot for him, let’s see if he can fit before we praise his leaving.
I think in the most extreme case that’s probably true – I’m not 100% convinced Nylander would be addition by subtraction, that is. But with that said, I would also be shocked if the team couldn’t find a more efficient use for the 4.875 million in cap space they’d be getting, be it because of a trade or because of a free agent signing.
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a Dubinsky/Callahan signing*?
*After GMGM does the “moral” thing and trade for their rights…
by Love and Osechkin on May 29, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually don’t think the Rangers are going to move either of those guys, now that Naslund’s retirement has freed up four million in cap space. But if the Capitals were going to make a move for them they’d be smart to trad for the rights first, not as an issue of morality but because the only way they make an offer New York doesn’t match is if they make a bad offer – then you’re stuck with a bad contract and you’ve given up substantial draft picks (think Dustin Penner).
by David M. Getz on May 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to put it like this, but Nylander goes, and we’ve got a massive hole in center, and depth becomes non-existent.
The problem is that if he stays, we’ve got a massive hole in center and an upset, overpaid player on the bench.
Should he stay or should he go?
If he goes, we’ll be in trouble.
But if he stays, it will be double.
by Gould Old Days on May 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dang, G.O.D.— REM and Clash within 2 minutes of each other? Recs for that.
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by tuvanhillbilly on May 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna say, am I seeing this, what a genius. ;)
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by boutros23 on May 29, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve still not seen anything that makes me think that Nyls is upset. He’s a damn fine player who fit in fine before he took his surgery, and I don’t think he’s fully recovered. I think that’s the thing that probably upsets him the most.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was the shoulder, there’d be more hope. In my opinion, it’s the system. Hard to know for sure, as the shoulder injury happened shortly after the coaching change, but my feeling is his inability to produce for the Caps over the past season was more Boudreau than health.
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by J.P. on May 30, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a bit of both. I dunno, I’m still not on the “Nylander can’t play for this team” bandwagon.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on May 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I’m not either. I’d rather he not, but a guy with his talent can play anywhere.
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by J.P. on May 30, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he’d:
Listen to reason
Sweden is calling
by Gould Old Days on May 29, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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