Why is he getting only eight minutes?
Just wondering, Gabby: Eric Fehr played 8:08 against Atlanta. He did good things every time he was on the ice. He was 1-1-2, +2 with two SOG and two takeaways.
So why is did get only eight minutes, the fewest TOI he's had since March 14? Anyone?
(And I don't want to hear the 'there were lots of special teams play' argument. I like Fehr in front on the PP. He's a tall body. He should be in front on the PP more.)
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I think the “there’s so much depth on the wings” argument has some credence: with Ovechkin, Semin, Laich, and Kozlov, there’s a lot of guys to get legitimate ice time. But that argument only goes so far and there, honestly, isn’t an explanation to me as to why Fehr gets as little ice time as he does. I think he’s by far the play most underrated by the coaching staff.
Guys, do we have to keep having this same post over and over? Fehr is on 3rd line. Fehr does not PK. Rarely does he skate PP.
13 power-plays in this game, though some not the full 2 min, that was easily a 20 minutes of game time. 40 minutes of 5-on-5 = about 10 minutes per forward. A little more for 1st and 2nd lines, a little less for 3rd and 4th lines.
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Yes, apparently we do.
The “rarely does he skate PP” point misses the point. (I’ll point out that in the post I tried to anticipate this…) Fehr should be out on the PP more. He’s hard for goalies to see around. He has good hands and he’s shown a willingness to get in front.
And at this point in the season, none of the WSH forwards should be playing over, say, 21 minutes.
Sorry, I was addressing more his time today, which featured like 40 seconds of PP (compare that to 10+ for Ovie).
I’ll have to revert to DMG’s argument then, although I’m not quite as sold on what Fehr is. I think he’s still kind of a ’tweener.
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I don’t think its going to be 8-10 min a night for the next 3 years. There is a good chance Kozlov does not get re-signed. I’d also like to see Fehr with another summer of conditioning under his belt. He’s listed as 6-4, 212. How about 6-4 and 225?
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I’m beginning to get the feeling that Fehr doesn’t really fit into Boudreau’s system, or at least the version of it played by the Caps’ top two forward lines. He’s not a graceful skater, and his skating really deteriorates when he gets the puck on his stick. He doesn’t puckhandle all that well, and he’s not a brilliant passer in transition. Inside the offensive and defensive zones, Fehr is a good player, but he really struggles in the neutral zone, and Boudreau’s system, both on offense and on defense, is predicated on rapid controlled transitions through the neutral zone.
Fehr’s real potential, which he displayed tonight, is to be a great player from the faceoff dots to the back boards. He can dig the puck out of the corners and crash the net with abandon. The problem is, the Caps’ top two lines just don’t play that style of game, and nor does the power play. Those groups work into the zone with puck possession and at his current stage of development, Fehr’s skills just don’t mesh with that style in the same way that say, Kozlov and Fleischmann’s do.
The player I’ve often heard Fehr compared to is Tomas Holmstrom. Well, for all his production and PP time, Holmstrom only averages a little over 15 minutes a night. As recently as 2002-2003, when he put up a line of 20/20/40, Holmstrom averaged 12:16 a night in ice time.
I think the lesson in all this is that if a player can’t skate well with the puck and make good passes in transition, they’re not likely to see much ice time.
by D'ohboy on Apr 5, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think Fehr fits into Boudreau’s system fine because the hard forchecking, up-tempo aspect is more important than being a slick stick handler or a great passer and I think Fehr does that well. I see the potential for his role to be similar to Brooks Laich’s in that the difference between his strengths and the strengths of some of the other players on the team could be exactly the change of pace the team needs, although Fehr obviously has a much bigger frame and you can build a pretty solid case that Fehr also had better hands and is a better defensive player than Laich.
by David Getz on Apr 5, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’ll note that I caveated the system comment with, “at least how it’s played by the top two lines.” Those guys skate fast with the puck overlapping and weaving with the puck as they head up the ice. If Fehr is out there, the 3-man weave quickly becomes a 2-man give and go, because he’s trailing behind. When he was on a line with Ovie, that line was often reduced to throwing the puck up from the defensive blueline and doing a deflection/dump in to avoid icing.
The major difference between Laich and Fehr is that Laich skates much, much faster than Fehr, and that disparity only increases with the puck on their sticks.
I think Fehr is a good player, and I also wish he got more ice time, but when I watch him out there with some lines, he just looks like he’s always struggling to keep up. Sometimes, this doesn’t seem to be as much of an issue – like when they had the “F-Line” together. I also think this is why Fehr works pretty well with Nylander – Nyls also doesn’t like fast transitions. All those pirouettes let Fehr catch up.
Maybe that’s why the Laich-Nylander-Fehr line got as much done as it did tonight. Honestly, I like the idea of the third line having a different character from the first two – it’s a shift that can throw a defense off, I’d think.
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Interesting points, but I disagree slightly. If the top two lines are characterized by swift skating and skill, they require a hard-working forechecker and garbage-goal type to complement them effectively. It’s why the Care Bear line never works for more than a few shifts. It’s why Laich has developed into a top-six winger on this team as an average skater without elite stick-handling abilities, and conversely why Kozlov is playing his way off of the top lines: it comes down to who is willing to do the dirty work for the “pretty” boys.
McPhee drafted Fehr to be that top-six power forward type and it seems to be finally happening for him. But as we at the Rink have dutifully noted over the past few months, there seems to be little correlation between on-ice performance and playing time amongst the forwards. At the risk of beating the dead horse, ten curl and drags in practice does not make Flash more useful to this team than the things Fehr does. It’s absolutely baffling.
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by breed16 on Apr 6, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well put breed—I just don’t get what BB sees in Flash’s game that translates to 15 minutes—but I disagree with your comment that Laich has broken the top 6 as an “average skater.” I would say his work ethic and willingness to get his nose dirty, combined with his plus speed, account for his rise to line 2.
Back to Fehr. Tyler hit it on the nose—the wristers from 30 feet, while pretty when they go in, are going to get saved 95% of the time by an NHL goalie who is not screened. If Fehr can show that he’s consistently willing to play more like Laich (minus the speed, natch), then his minutes will go up. If he sticks to the perimeter, then he’s gonna stay right where he is in terms of PT.
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Glad you called me out on Laich’s skating. I hesitated to write the line, because i’ve said in the past that he has underrated speed and mobility.
The general point is about style of play: the guys who can rely on their skill and agility, versus the guys who can never do that. If you’re a top six forward without that skill/agility set, you’re there because of your grit and consistent effort. It seems weird that on a team where Laich has worked his way up, Fehr isn’t being given that same chance.
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Having a chance is part of it. But look what Keith Aucoin did with his 8 minutes yesterday—I know they have style differences, but Fehr just has not demonstrated the chops to replicate his great stuff in the third yesterday on a consistent basis. A lot of guys haven’t. Like, um, Flash.
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I think Fehr’s shown that as much as you can in the limited playing time he’s had. He puts up points more often than Fedorov, Laich, Flesichmann, and Nylander, and at the same rate as Kozlov, despite getting less playing time, little to no powerplay time, and generally playing against better opponents and with worse teammates. Plus, since he started getting a sweater every night, he’s been on a 25+ goal pace despite the lack of total and quality playing time. I’m not sure what more he can do with the role he’s being given right now.
Anyone thought...
maybe he’s not 100% healthy? Kozzie is another example. Ice time slashed, found himself on the 4th line in each of the last 2 games, but also missed part of practice on Sat.
This is the time of year that guys shut up about aches and pains. Maybe Fehr’s ice time has been limited cause his back isn’t back to 100%? Maybe he Can’t skate top 6 minutes right now.
Just playing devil’s here.
Something dawned upon me. . .
I think part of the reason he gets less ice time might be related to conditioning. Every time I pay attention, I notice that he’s often the first guy off for a change on his line, and when he does change, he’s totally and completely gassed. Watch him skate back to the bench tomorrow night after his shifts – he’s dog-tired.
On the one hand, this would seem to indicate that he’s giving it his all, on the other, it implies that he’s not in great shape or that his skating stride is so inefficient that he’s knackered before his linemates. Perhaps Boudreau’s just not comfortable with having Fehr out there in the event that his line gets hemmed in their own end, or maybe he’s trying to conserve Fehr’s energy and then releasing it for bursts of forechecking?
I checked the stats to see if they agreed with my eyes. They didn’t. Fehr averages 11:09 and 13.8 shifts per game, for an average shift length of 48.48 seconds. For comparison, Fleischmann averages 15:03 and 18.9 shifts per game, for an average shift lenght of 47.77 seconds and Kozlov gets 15:47 and 17.7 shifts for an average shift of 53.5 seconds. Ovie averages 64.3 seconds per shift, but that’s surely extended by his time as a “defenseman” on the PP.
Clearly, Fehr’s shifts are right around average, so his lack of ice time is not due to shorter shifts, which might imply some sort of conditioning deficiency. Gotta look somewhere else – my eyes were playing tricks on me.
Have you noticed this consistently or only recently? Wondering if it might be due to a lingering flu bug. I don’t really get why he’s only getting 8 minutes either, but I’m looking forward to the day when they let him loose (assuming he can handle it from an endurance standpoint).
I’m looking forward to the day when they let him loose
You mean when they unleash the Fehr-y?
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