2009 NHL Trade Deadline Open Thread III
by J.P. on Mar 4, 2009 2:00 PM EST
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So I haven’t really been at my computer all day. Can someone give me a run-down or a link of a run down of all the happenings today?
I need 100% of you guys to give 110%.
Re: Guerin
The Plan A or B reference was for Snow.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
Ron and Fez noon to three
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions
GMGM is done punching Nylander in the face
and has finally gotten him to “wave” his NMC. let the games begin.
please?
Hey Pierre,
What did Brian Burke do on the 7th day? Sycophant.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
They got a bad case of TBA
“Keep fighting little guy, with your help of the Bluth foundation, we’ll live in a galaxy where TBA does not exist.”
The twitterer is Brian Burke
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
A conditional draft pick?
Is all they got for Guerin?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions
There’s gotta be more….HAS to be
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
That too (though I’m sure the Isles would’ve taken a nothing prospect back).
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from tarik
I’ve been checking with my sources about Derek Morris and I’m hearing that the Flyers and Rangers are making a hard push for the veteran defenseman. No mention of the Caps. But that doesn’t mean they are not involved.
That's funny
EJ ESPN mentions the Caps, Rangers and Flyers. For what it’s worth.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
Hmmm.
Nah. McPhee is good at keeping his cards close to the vest, and he usually does things when folks least expect.
Gah, cleaning.
Got pulled away from the keyboard to do – ! – errands. :P
Been following trades and trade comments, though. I don’t think we move Nylander this year – who’d want him. I think whoever said buyout is right.
I also don’t think we do much. My guess is that the Derek Morris trade will happen about 2:59 PM, when Phoenix decides that nobody’s going to blink first and takes one of the offers on the table. If we don’t get him, I doubt we do much of anything; McPhee isn’t really interested in going for it all. Unlike Calgary. Holy smokes.
Honestly, though
Do you think Calgary’s moves really make them better than SJ or Detroit? I certainly don’t.
That being said, I don’t think they moved too much of consequence.
Better? No. Competitive with? They’re certainly closer.
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Guerin for a 5th ROUND pick?
possibly up to a 3rd Round pick if they make the 2nd round of the playoffs?
What the hell? Was it double coupon day in Nassau?
4th if they make the playoffs.
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Hopefully more truth than jest. :)
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I understand the possible cap ramifications, but seriously? A 5th-round pick for Guerin, when Recchi gets an actual NHL body. If that’s the best offer, just say no.
its the curse of Bengt Gustafsson’s leg
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think we need to start looking at Summer 2010 UFAs to see who we should target next year. :)
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At this point I’d almost rather have Zack Morris
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Jack Morris. That dude was clutch.
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For one game in his entire career…the rest of it he was a joke
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll take Mo Green, pre merger.
/reaching?
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
Maryland Terrapins Legend Moe Howard?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
If wins were a worthwhile stat, because they’re not…he’s got a career ERA + of 105, which ain’t very good yo
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
And his career WHIP is pushing 1.30…not so hot
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I bet so’s McPhee. GMGM is as cool and canny as they come, and he’s probably going to go down to the wire.
$3.35M...so we'd be on the hook for just under $1M
and would have to resign him at the end of the year.
Would be nice though.
Lebrun:
The Flames now have some big salaries next season in Jokinen, Jarome Iginla, Robyn Regehr, Dion Phaneuf and Miikka Kiprusoff. I think that almost guarantees that winger Mike Cammalleri, who is having a career year, will walk as a UFA July 1 because the Flames won’t be able to fit him under the cap.
by Scott in Shaw on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Not soon enough
The Flames are over the Salary cap NOW… but a wide margin.
Someone has to take off that Calgary sweater by 3:00. Unless someone is going in for surgery or something that we don’t know about.
No they’re not – they can’t be, even for a moment. They must be under.
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Perhaps they already have something worked out that they haven’t announced yet?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Then they worked something out
they picked up 4.5M in payroll today. Even pro-rated that is going to jam them up against the cap considering all the AHL’ers they’ve called up for injury reasons this season.
By posting that (which I should have block-quoted), I was making the point that they’re probably keeping him for this year’s run and will let him go in the summer.
by Scott in Shaw on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I know it’s a long-shot he might end up here, but the thought of him centering our 2nd line makes me giddy.
I don’t think it’s such a long shot in free agency, depending on what kind of deal he demands. He’s a perfect fit in this system.
Lemme get back to you in June.
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Good for them. They could use a little more jam.
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If they move JayBo, they’re getting guys back who can help them now as well as in the future. I don’t think there’s any connection b/t Neil and a Bouwmeester trade.
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Injured Reserve as of Feb 8, 2009 (Lacerated right calf) ?
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
Looks like a good deal if he can come back for the playoffs. I think Fla is in for the playoffs and wont let go of JBeau
Doesn’t matter….like I says before, his agent is a mongoloid if he doesn’t have him out there to test the market
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
What future? Their fans will be leaving without a post season run and I think JM is out if they dont make it this year.
Atlanta was in the same situation two years ago right? Get 3 exciting young players, I still think that they make the playoffs this year. With or without JayBo they aren’t going to win the Cup…
Difference being, Atlanta was the buyer there, not the seller. I think Florida absolutely needs to move Bouwmeester. Can’t let that guy walk for nothing.
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Yup, I guess I view them as the buyer because they have a lot of money in a check that becomes void on July 1. Move him, get something for the future and they have a pretty good team next year and 2 years down the road. The key to my argument is that JayBo isn’t going to be around in FLA come next Sept no matter what happens come April.
Gotta disagree
The Cats have a really good stable of D-men, with or without J-Bo. Combine that with some of their young forwards and their good goaltending and . . .
You have a team capable of giving the Caps a 6-2 beatdown on our home ice.
Florida is a good team now. We had best get used to it.
Yeah I see your point, I’m just thinking that JM wanted to keep JBo and if he thinks a playoff run might keep him it might be better to hold on. like trading to your self the sole rights to negotiate until July 1. I dunno…
I think they make the playoffs with or without Bouwmeester (and especially if they get some NHLers back in a trade for him).
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From another perspective, look at what the Caps did last year. They bought at the deadline in order to JUST make the playoffs. Look how that run (plus Ovie, obviously) energized the fan base.
Florida is the kind of team that could upset a higher seed easily, especially if Vokoun or Anderson gets hot.
I think it’s Morris or bust for the Caps. Can’t see them moving Nyls, and nothing else out there would seem to fit.
George is working....
…there’ll be deals announced after 3 PM.. they just have to be at NHL HQ by then.
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
lol @ TSN
“We need a big name to go down here”
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST reply actions
Olli Jokinen isn’t a big name? They been listening to Milbury?
by MikeL-Pivonka on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
They want a Pronger of Bouwmeester.
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That sounds painful
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Toronto fans would love to see him skate in circles. It’s mesmerizing!
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, apparently TO denied sending Moore to Chicago.
by jhb on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Haven’t heard a peep on Gaborik all day. He must still be hurt.
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So TSN has the Caps out of the running for Morris.
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** TRADE ALERT ***
Carcillo to the Flyers for Upshall and a 2nd
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Trade of little bastard pests.
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Wow!!!!!! Just what they needed…another goon
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not really. Not much money on either guy.
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Site’s working, just keep refreshing.
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Part of me wishes they had sent Sideshow Bob there instead
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, hell yeah. Hartnell is much better.
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Yes. He’s a heck of a player.
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Patience
Soon will we have Della Rovere. And he will annoy the bejeesus out of the opposition. And it will be good.
*** TRADE ALERT ***
Nik Antropov to Rags
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Totally. Antropov is a perfect Ranger (and I don’t mean that in a good way).
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Bet they send Prucha back to TOR
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ever since Mike Smith left Chicago, they’ve avoided big, soft Russians who’ve had work ethic-ectomies.
by jhb on Mar 4, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
remember that GMGM didn’t just tell the media not to expect anything…he told the players in a team meeting. unless he can pull the miracle nyls deal that we’ve all been after, i’m counting on it staying quiet.
I hadn’t heard that. Still, I wouldn’t put too much stock in it. It’s something you have to tell the team for a number of reasons.
seems a little unnecessary to me, though. with only one game left before the deadline (i think it was koken that said it happened last night before the game), why bother walking into the room and having one of your own players think you deceived him.
More like a younger Sean Avery.
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Yeah, more fights. But he’s not a “heavyweight.”
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Doesn’t make sense to me either, but I don’t mind =)
by thehoagster07 on Mar 4, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Antropov for a 2nd sounds right to me. Guering for a 5th (or even a 3rd) sounds like a great deal for Pitt.
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In years past, I think Antropov gets more than just a second and a late-round pick. The Rangers got a good deal because Burke is looking to unload everything and start from scratch.
Think of it this way...
Daniel Carcillo just got a live NHL body and a 2nd rounder. Do we think Carcillo>Antropov?
I’d rather have Carcillo on the Caps than Antropov. :)
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But Boston gave up more than I’d have thought for Recchi.
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Totonto is now trying to FLIP Gerber?
A) Does Burke understand how “flipping” works? You have to have something people want. If anyone wanted Gerber, THEY would have taken him off waivers
B) Did anyone tell this to Toskala’s groin?
And what gets left in Leaf Country?
Toskala is done for the year. The Leafs riding Cujo for the rest of the year?
Justin Pogge
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
What the Caps are doing on deadline day
What we are doing on deadline day:
http://www.japersrink.com/2009/3/4/780595/2009-nhl-trade-deadline-op
What we get paid:
5 digits
What they get paid
8 digits
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Bouwmeester not moving per Pierre
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*** Trade Alert ****
Morris to NYR
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well im curious to see what they gave up
seeing as he was the only target with multiple suitors.
by MordecaiBrown3 on Mar 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hold on just a goddamn minute
How on earth are Calgary and NY fitting all of these guys under the cap????
A guy with a 4 million hit only counts as 1 million the rest of the year
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone else worried that we’re going to watch Carcillo running our defensemen for an entire 7-game series this postseason?
That’s looking a little too far ahead, imo. But if he wants to take dumb penalties – as he’s prone to doing – go nuts.
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The Rangers gave up an awful lot.
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And there’s Prucha!!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
At least it was fun to follow…
yeah…
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Good news is he’s not in Philly. Boston, Philly and New Jersey are essentially the same teams they were this morning. As much as we would’ve liked to see a little shakeup, the balance of power has not changed.
I dunno, I think the B’s acquired some nice depth, shoring up their third pairing and getting a shot in the arm on the power play. They gave up some assets for the future, but one can argue that they’ve improved themselves for a playoff run.
Yeah, but Havelid to NJ, Recchi and Montador to BOS, and Carcillo to PHI doesn’t change anything in the East. Those teams are all a little better, but not significantly.
The Rags and Pens, however, are probably better teams now.
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Hold On
A lot more trades come down now, even though the deadline has passed. The deals have to be approved by the NHL offices.
Moore to Buffalo. Didn’t he start there?
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Gerber....Gerber......Gerber
Starting tomorrow night. Awesome.
by DebCapsFan on Mar 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does this mean that Nylander will be back in the line-up or have the Caps given up on him?
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions
we can say that...
but have you seent he way the Caps have played the last four games?
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
i think they have to get him back in the lineup, as much as skating circles drives fans crazy.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Mar 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. We really don’t know if the Caps were holding out Nylander with the looming trade dealine, either. I have to think that he is in the lineup tomorrow.
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the fix is not inserting Nylander into the lineup but sitting someone for poor performance.
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
i think that’s right on point. BB hinted yesterday that benchings for lackluster play might start soon.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Mar 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s time to once again try to make lemonade with the lemon that is Nylander.
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As long as its not a white liquid
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
now would be the time to post the crying Crosby picture
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
How?
What would you do with him? Given that Ovie-Backis-Kozlov is fixed, and Brash-Gordo-Brads is pretty fixed, what do your other two lines look like?
My guess: #2 Semin-Feds-Flash, #3 Fehr-Nyls-Laich
Where does that leave Stecks?
I would be happy with Gordo-Stecks-Bradley
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
i agree. Brash and Bradley are redundant at this point.
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by Dave at District Sports Page on Mar 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Erik Christiansen to Anaheim
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions
Are they trying to get every ex Pen they can?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Pens are a better team with Guerin and Kunitz than they were with Satan and Whitney, no?
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I would have been thrilled with a 3rd/4th/ or 5th rounder for the grit and experience that is Guerin.
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
15 years ago maybe
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Mar 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
Boston just moved laterally. They picked up a decent depth defenseman w/experience and a grizzled veteran winger. And a 2nd rounder.
To get that, they moved a good young D-man and two forward prospects.
Biggest Loser?
My take: Colorado. Only managed to unload Leopold, and didn’t get much in return. Dumb. That entire franchise is headed into the dustbin.
The good news is
Nobody is riding our jock now, picking us to win the East.
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The last two games...
took care of that worry
by Moonage Daydream on Mar 4, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
*** TRADE ALERT ***
Welch + 3rd to Tampa for Eminger
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Fourth team since June for Emmy, no?
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3rd SE team at that
At least he gets to stay warm
by thehoagster07 on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
To counter for a late J-Bo move?
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
NHL On The Fly...
…said the Caps made 0 moves today. TSN folks indicate there is still a cue of trades coming down the pipe. Maybe there is still hope…for what I don’t know.
*** TRADE ALERT ***
Kyle McLaren to PHI for a 6th
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Not really. Definitely not a top 4 guy.
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Cripes, has he fallen off the map that hard that he’s worth a 6?
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
Probably a contract thing, was making $7.5 mil/3 years
by thehoagster07 on Mar 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
*** TRADE ALERT ***
Pahlsson to CHI for Wisniewski
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Nice for the Wings that he went to the Hawks?
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If I’m not mistaken, Pahlsson has had some injuries and isn’t quite what he used to be. I could be wrong, though.
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I love him too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vtNUkj4JYw&feature=related
by thehoagster07 on Mar 4, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I am very disappointed in GMGM. At least he could have traded Giroux or Mink or someone. Just to get on the board.
no point in making a move just to make a move. i’m sure thats what he’s going to say too.
by ns on Mar 4, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
if he turns out to be even close to his brother, that’ll be enough for me.
Just listened to Ken Holland on NHLN, speaking of the Winks, and he said something that made a hell of a lot of sense to me—there are plenty of additions to make out there at the deadline, but he is looking for upgrades not just right now but for next year as well, and he didn’t see any this year. I think that is a way I can digest the lack of movement today (barring, you know, Nyls to….). Not saying we could have improved our
...typing skills....
D or our PK or whatever instantly with just one deal, but if there’s nothing to do, then GM is right to do nothing.
2 games does not equal the whole season
Yeah, we’ve been bad, but it makes no sense to overpay because we’ve sucked for 2 games.
by thehoagster07 on Mar 4, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Posted at 3:39 PM ET, 03/ 4/2009
Caps stand pat
The Caps did not make any trades today, according to a team spokesman. GM George McPhee will address the media within the hour. So check back for the latest.
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions
Just making the point that it’s silly to overreact to the outcomes of a few games.
…and until there is a better model for roster-building and system development…
But point taken. :)
Love Detroit. Just that we’re not in their league at this point based on what we’ve accomplished. They are permitted to lose to Nashville 8-0. We are not. :-)
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Would have liked...
…a veteran back up goalie. Hedberg in ATL could have been had for a 4th or 5th rounder, probably… ah well.
maybe...
In not making any moves for a d-man, it will say to the players that management is happy with what they have, and will give our current d-men a spark?
maybe I’m dreaming…
………….likely.
Did you see the way they celebrated the 2nd goal last night?
I said to my wife – Bruce probably threatened to break up the team if they lost the third. They scored, so no one got traded. Why else would you flop on the ice to cheer a goal that put you down by 3 with 2 min left?
I wonder if the Ottawa press has raincoats in the first couple rows of the room sometimes, like at Gallagher concerts.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
Considering the players that moved today, I think the only ones that MIGHT have helped the Caps were Guerin, Morris, Leopold, and maybe Recchi. Guerin and Leopold seem to be steals, while it seems there was overpayment for Morris and Recchi. Given the vagaries of the market and the limited information we have, it’s hard to fault GMGM for not jumping into kind of a weird market.
Anaheim
WTF?
They keep Pronger, yet jettison guys like Kunitz, Moen, Huskins and Pahlsson. Wonder if they were asking too much, or that nobody wanted next year’s salary.
The offseason trades will be more interesting than today’s.
Holy crap
coming up on 2000 posts among all 3 threads.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
I'm Out
Well ladies and gents, It’s been a fun day, not too exciting but a good time. I’m out like a fat kid in dodgeball.
whoa
Kolzig and Heward to Toronto… TSN
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions
Kolzig, Heward, Rogers, 4th pick to Toronto for Petiot
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
A salary dump, but to what end? Kolzig is done (LTIR) and probably done for good. Does he have to report – could he pass a physical?
They wanted the other guys and Tampa essentially said, “You can have them but you have to pay the rest of Kolzig’s salary to get them”.
Tampa is in seriously dire financial straits at present. $500k matters, I guess.
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UGH
Why is TSN interviewing Burke all damn day. He couldn’t be a less interesting/obnoxious interview.
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions
TSN is to the Leafs as Fox News Channel is to the Republican party – just an extension of their propaganda machine.
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“Can you explain that deal?”
“no”
by OvechkinLaichsSemin on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hradek
Capitals fans — as well as some players in their room — have to be disappointed GM George McPhee couldn’t make a move to upgrade his goaltending depth. McPhee worked the phones, but he couldn’t close on any deals. I believe the Caps could have used some help in goal and on the blue line. Last season, McPhee was able to get goalie Cristobal Huet and center Sergei Fedorov. Those deals proved vital for the club’s run for a playoff spot. This year, the expectations are higher. If the team doesn’t advance past the first round (where they were stopped last season), fans will be wondering why the Caps didn’t make a move. In his defense, the Caps didn’t have a lot of salary-cap space. On this deadline day, salary-cap issues really hamstrung several clubs around the league.
Waivers
Question: post-deadline, does anything change with waiver rules? Gary Roberts, Manny Legace, Miro Satan, and others are still available, right? Not saying I want any of them, but can clubs still claim guys on the wire?
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54 | 28 | 21 | 5 | 61 |
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Winnipeg
|
56 | 26 | 24 | 6 | 58 |
|
Tampa Bay
|
53 | 23 | 24 | 6 | 52 |
|
Carolina
|
56 | 20 | 25 | 11 | 51 |
(updated 2.11.2012 at 8:02 AM EST)
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