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Recap - Flyers 4, Caps 2

[AP Recap - Game Summary - Event Summary - WashingtonCaps.com Postgame]

Entering Tuesday night's game against the Flyers, the Caps were 92-5-11 since the lockout (including 26-2-1 this season) when carrying a lead into the third period. Yet after last night's collapse in the final stanza, they've now lost as many games in regulation when leading after two in 2008-09 as they did in the previous three seasons.

Take your pick on what was to blame for last night's loss. Poor discipline? The Caps committed nine minor penalties. Lack of secondary scoring? Their two goals (one of which came on the power play) came from first-liners. Shaky-at-times goaltending? Bad team defense? A lack of grit? It was all there. All of it.

At least this is happening before the trade deadline so that the personnel aspects of it (if there are seen to be any) can be addressed before it's too late. Some thoughts on the game:

  • The Caps failed to score on any of their four short-handed breakaways and when given 47 seconds on 5-on-3 time, registered only one shot. They also did next to nothing with two early third period power plays. Great teams capitalize on these types of chances, and scoring on any of them might have been enough to send the Flyers home disappointed. Not scoring on any of them provided Philly the spark it needed.
  • Speaking of capitalizing on a chance, the Flyers did just that on their first 5-on-3 opportunity half-way through the second period, in part due to Tom Poti's inability to clear the puck after the Caps won a huge defensive zone draw.
  • Other than that, the penalty kill was 6-for-6 when it was only five-on-four.
  • We're big Jeff Schultz (and Big Jeff Schultz) fans, but he was a pylon on the Aaron Asham goal (and Jose Theodore didn't exactly look good on that one either). Aaron Asham? Aaron Asham.
  • John Erskine should be suspended for his "slash" to Scottie Upshall's yambag.
  • Mike Green had a whopping 30:55 of ice time. Too much? It sure looked like it in the third.
  • The Caps were out-hit 26-22, but it didn't seem that close, did it? Mike Richards' first period hit on Poti should've counted for three or four.
  • With the Flyers missing their top blueliner, Kimmo Timonen, Alex Ovechkin had a bit more room to work with and got nine shots on (one past) Antero Niittymaki. If only that line had had a right wing who seemed even mildly interested in playing, they may have created even more offense.

My guess is that we could re-poll our question from the other day and while the results may not be vastly different, the discussion might be even more spirited. So the question is, was this just another off night or do the problems run deeper? Will the Atlanta game on Thursday provide any answers, or do we have to wait for a "real" team in Boston on Saturday? With the trade deadline a week and change away, some answers had best come soon.

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I’d say we’ve passed the “off-game” excuse usage and have now entered “real problem” phase.

1 Discipline
2 Secondary scoring

Players should have been amped and ready for this game. We were lucky to have the lead at the end of the first. It oculd easily have been tied up. The rest was Philly outplaying us, straight up.

by ns on Feb 25, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions  

I feel like sometimes they lack focus.

Most likely due to age they seem to lack focus at times. Seriously look at some of the recent losses (Colorado and New York).

The game last night was not that bad because they did not play a better team they just beat themselves. To me a character role player at the deadline is the way to go. I have no idea who but we need a defensive minded workhorse.

We have all sorts of talent so I think time will work out scoring issues. I think Jose is good enough to win with. Our defense can be good when we FOCUS. It just really feels like they are missing a sparkplug.

The biggest gripe I had about last night was when you are up in the third you don’t need to score. You just need to counter punch when the other team is trying to score.

by pigeonhed on Feb 25, 2009 7:35 AM EST reply actions  

The game last night was not that bad because they did not play a better team they just beat themselves

I disagree, to me this is worse than getting hammered 7-1. If you get beat, because you are just not as good as the other team fine. If you get beat because you aren’t working hard, then shame on you.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah but you can fix a lack of effort. A lack of talent is very hard to overcome. Remember our teams from the 80s. They had amazing character under the Murrays and worked their butts off but on a talent level they were lacking.

by pigeonhed on Feb 25, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we are arguing two sides of the same coin but the two arguments are very different. I’m looking at it from a character perspective.

In the Caps current situation I would say every night they are the better team raw talent wise. But they aren’t the best team on the ice every night. Like it or not some nights they do get “out talented”. (see 7-1 beating where Nitty stood on his head). Those losses you shake off and move on.

If you get beat, you get beat… damn, chalk it up, tip your hat, and get em next time. When you get out-worked there is no excuse. Its on you and you alone. How hard you as a player work is the only thing that you have absolute control over no matter who you are up against. To me, when you don’t work hard, you embarass yourself way worse than when you get your joke handed to you by someone that is just better.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I do understand your concern. Character is very important and I loved watching the teams in the 80s. I guess I just see this core group of players as needing some time to reach the full potential they have. I am guessing three years from now for these guys to be a whole lot stronger mentally and physically. I may be wrong but I think most of what I see is because of the age of our skill players.

I love watching this team play and the growth is just really special.

by pigeonhed on Feb 25, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No Killer Instinct

At least, not that I am seeing now, in oh say, the last three four weeks. Is this the ‘coasting segment’ of the season? Can you blame them? When they swarm and attack like a pack of maddened sharks, like Boudreau has taught them (and urged them and honed them and designed them) to do, they are overwhelming.

They chose not to do so at this point.

Okay. Coast now, if you must. Just don’t lose sight of the on/off switch, boys.

(PS – Nyles is killing me. He is bringing tears of frustration to my eyes. Fingernail marks dent my palms from so much fist clenching. He is KILLING me.)

(PSS – Spotted Peter Bondra last night, hanging around the upper reaches of Section 112. he looks like a million bucks. Miss you, Petey!!)

by Uncle C on Feb 25, 2009 7:54 AM EST reply actions  

Agree on Nylander, not that its an unpopular opinion.

He is such a killjoy on that top line. You see Ovechkin and Backstrom full speed into the offensive zone. Then Nylander ends up with the puck and its like everything comes to a standstill. It’s so frustrating. I know the likelihood of him being traded is pretty nil, so I keep looking for him to show some life and get something going, but it just hasn’t happened.

I am anxiously awaiting Kozlov’s return to the top line.

by Ames on Feb 25, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Granted the whole team was running around disorganized in the last period and a half, but I am going to rip on Theo for a second. Why does he seem so slow to react after making the initial save? It seems like it takes him forever to get back into position. Is he tired? has he been playing too many games?

by Sombrero Guy on Feb 25, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions  

I’ve been thinking that same thing since the Ranger game. The rebounds have looked a lot juicier lately.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Feb 25, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps his hip isn’t 100% healed?

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

How many times did he drop his stick last night also? Most of the time it didn’t look like anyone hit it, he just got it caught some how.

He was looking money the first period though. It looks like he plays the first shot very aggressive and then gives up a rebound leaving a juicy net.

I think it’s time he took a rest for at least a game.

by snowburnt on Feb 25, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we can expect to see the BoyChild tomorrow

(I mean Neuvirth)

Theo needs a rest and we will definitely need him in Boston this weekend. I think Neuvirth gets a shot tomorrow and possibly again for a harder test Sunday against the Cats.

…and that should give him enough hours to complete his Goaltending Merit Badge. (I’m sorry… I just can’t get over the fact that he looks like he’s 12 years old.)

by Wisper on Feb 25, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

During the chalk talk with GMGM he stated that he’s pretty sure Neuvirth will start tomorrow)

by vt caps fan on Feb 25, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

The rebounds have looked a lot juicier lately?

Hartnell said. “Theodore had a heck of a game the first two periods. It seemed like everything we threw at him he was stopping and hanging onto those rebounds.”
(from Cory’s blog)

by Uncle C on Feb 25, 2009 8:38 AM EST reply actions  

I think “lately” encompasses more than two periods of last night’s game, no?

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions  

without a doubt. It might just be a case where he has played too many games. Theo has played 9 of our last 10 games since Feb 3rd.

by Sombrero Guy on Feb 25, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. Since the 2/11 Ranger game a lot more pucks have been coming out around the circles or in the slot, the first two periods of last night be damned. And he’s got what, a 3.12 GAA over his last 8? And he’s started 22 of the last 26?

I’m not throwing him under the bus, but he’s not putting the goal back on the marsh pegs while the puck’s in play either.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Feb 25, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

+1
Trying to pin this loss on Theo is absurd. First goal comes on a 5 on 3 with the shooter wide open to the left of the net. Second goal comes on a 3 on 2 with Hartnell allowed to rip one from 20 feet out. Third one comes from an unchecked Carter shooting into an open net. Fourth goal comes from another odd man break when the goalie stick is knocked out of Theo’s hands. It’s always pissed me off that the goalie gets blamed when the guys in front of him don’t do their job. Forwards not hustling back, defensemen standing around like pylons, stupid penalties putting them two men down. For two periods, Jose covered for his teammates mistakes, often in spectacular fashion. And he’s the one responsible for this loss?

by b.orr4 on Feb 25, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s a single person (here, at least) trying to pin this loss on Jose, do you?

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

My rant was general in nature and a bit preemptive, but there were plenty of complaints around me last night about Theo and on the post-game call in show. But you can’t deny that the goalie always seems to get singled out for other’s people mistakes.

by b.orr4 on Feb 25, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He, like the rest of the team, didn’t show up in the 3rd until we were down 4-2. The loss isn’t on him by any stretch, he probably stole us the first two periods. He just stopped stealing us the game in the third, and the team was playing too poorly to compete on their own apparently.

by brs03 on Feb 25, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, to be sure. Especially when that goalie is a guy people are pre-disposed to criticize (as opposed to one of the last guy’s to play the position in this town, whose play people defended beyond reason towards the end).

But I’d like to think that our l’il community is a tad smarter than most of the folks in the cheap seats and on sports radio.

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hopefully

The guy next to me at the game, direct quote – “GOD Dammit Ho-zay, why didn’t you cover that? Dude, I would take any goalie in the NHL over Theo. ANY!”

by HBK on Feb 25, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That gets me fired up

Guys like that really drive me insane. I’m impressed you didn’t hit him. There are FIVE other guys on the ice who are also responsible for minding that net. Jose is an awesome goalie. Nobody can expect him to be perfect. This is a team sport after all—if it were all up to one guy to win, then we’d be watching tennis. Then again, el douche-o sitting next to you probably can’t get his head out of his rear long enough to think about that.

"For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction.
Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion; that it may sing; " - The Prophet

by Violetta on Feb 25, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, Theo’s better than a lot guys in the NHL.

Maybe it was just hyperbole born of frustration?

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

That combined with the rest of his jackass commentary makes me believe that A. He’s never played hockey and B. He’s new to watching hockey altogether.

He would often comment on a “good” play from a defender clearing the puck onto the tape of a Flyer, and called for a penalty every time somebody touched Ovi.

by HBK on Feb 25, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Oooh, that’s a pet peeve of mine. “Hey, our guy fell down! That must be a penalty!”

No, they can check the Caps players too.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

See Richards on Poti

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

When you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras

We can analyze the third period collapse all we want, but the obvious truth is if the Caps buried just half their high quality chances in the first and second this game is over. We’ve all seen it before, if you don’t bury golden chances early in the game they come back to bite you in the end. And look at who missed those chances; Backstrom, Green, Laich, Fehr-all guys you look to to score in clutch situations. Blame Schultz, blame Theo (which I personally don’t. I thought he was fantastic in the first two periods), but it never should have come down to the last ten minutes of the game.

by b.orr4 on Feb 25, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed – this game was about missed opportunities and allowing Philly to hang around as much as anything else. But some common themes – discipline, secondary scoring – keep popping up with alarming frequency.

In isolation, yeah, bad night. Looking at the full body of work, however, is also revelatory.

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the full body of work, however, is also revelatory.

+1

It is time to panic? I am on the brink. What chunk of the future does GMGM deal away at the in the next few weeks? Tricky! Very tricky!

by Uncle C on Feb 25, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

No panic. To paraphrase, this team is who we thought they were – talented and young, with everything that comes with both attributes. It’s possible, though, that they may just not be as far along as we had thought.

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

+1.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Feb 25, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The team would save about $3.4 million the next two years and have about $1.4M in dead space the two years after that.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Whoops. Wrong reply.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this take. In some respects I’m glad this happened when it did – it should send a message to the team that they have work to do still and should alert McPhee to address some issues before the deadline. I hate losing to the Flyers but if it can help the team regain some focus, maybe it’s not the end of the world.

Oh, and scratch Nylander every night and buy him out in the offseason. He is seriously worthless, IMO. I would rather see Beagle or Bourque in the lineup.

by grapejoos on Feb 25, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

how would a Nyles buy-out work vs the cap for next year, if they did that?

by ns on Feb 25, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

The team would save about $3.4 million the next two years and have about $1.4M in dead space the two years after that.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

that $1.4mil could come in real handy, though, especially with Backstrom's resigning. we would have Feds off the books at that point, so that helps.

by ns on Feb 25, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt, it’s a tricky situation for the team.

That said, Fedorov and Brashear are probably off the books next season, as is Morrisonn. The team might not need to cut Nylander to fit under that cap and it might not make sense personnel-wise if they can’t find another center somewhere.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Let’s also consider the lack of true depth at C we have right now. Nyls should not be back, but any decision on Feds has to be in conjunction with dealing for/signing 2 guys to fill those holes.

by bigonetimer on Feb 25, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

The decision on Feds is not just GMGM's

Its Sergei’s. The guy plans on retiring. He wasn’t 100% sure he coming back this year. GMGM told him straight off that if he wanted to return the roster spot was his and he went back to Russia to “think about it”. That’s what 39 year old players do.

Sergei is too good of a player to come back if he knows he’s no longer able to play at his level. I mean, the guy knows he’s not the same #91 from the Red WIngs Cup years, but he likes his new role as a Veteran Assitant Captain on the second line getting a dozen or so minutes a game and player-coaching some exciting young stars.

He’s not going to come back if he feels like he can not deliver on that role and I wouldn’t blame him. If he says that he’s done, then he’s done.

by Wisper on Feb 25, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not hating on Feds, but games like last night make me scratch my head and wonder just how many intangibles he brings. For starters he could tell Semin to 86 the banana blade when he’s on the PK.

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by macvechkin on Feb 25, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

and he went back to Russia to "think about it". party like a superstar with Russia’s finest roastesses. That’s what 39 year old players do.

fixed that for ya.

I should have prefaced with the caveat that it’s incumbent on Feds to want to return, that he feels he can still bring it. Facts are the same, however, yes? We have a huge hole in the dot when our 37 and 40 yr old C’s are no longer with us, one blessedly sooner than the other.

by bigonetimer on Feb 25, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

NMC also means No Buy Out

If it ain't broke, don't break it.

by ChrisAm on Feb 25, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?? Good lord. I guess it’s time to just scratch him until his pride takes over, then.

by grapejoos on Feb 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m fairly certain that is incorrect. The NMC is part of his contract, buying him out is buying him out.

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by macvechkin on Feb 25, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Mac is right -

CBA Article 11.8(b):

A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club’s buy-out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty-four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted “bad deal” there. I take it back. He is a bad player for this team. I think he could still help another team, but it’s not the Caps.

by grapejoos on Feb 25, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

In the 3 games against philly, we have consistently had these issues pop up: Lack of finishing and discipline.

We can not score on Niittymaki for whatever reason (I think it’s mental – we are over thinking what we are going to do). We miss too many golden opportunities. How many times can we come up empty on a breakaway?

We take too many stupid penalties. In 3 games against Philly 22 penalties. 9/4/9 ( Not including the fights or misconducts).

I’m afraid to say it, but philly has our number. We get frustrated because we can’t score take stupid penalties and stop playing our game and start playing like individuals. Turns into a vicious cycle.

Luckily for us, we know what we need to do to beat philly, and we have a few days until the trade deadline to bring in what we need.

My personal opinion is a mean SOB dman who will not take any crap from anyone (I’d even take brendan witt minus the minimum of 4 penalty minutes a game – even though we already get those penalties with Mo’).

by vt caps fan on Feb 25, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Philly seems to be our number 1 rival, but we’re not theirs. But really, I think they’re a respectable team full of your average hard-working blood, sweat, and tears players with the third-line skill set. It always looks like a team made up of guys named Laich, Clark, and Erskine to me… except they can score.

I agree with everyone who thinks Nylander needs to be off the team, scratched or traded, whatever. I was at the game, 117, almost the whole section was booing and aaagghging when we would get the puck and start his signature 360’s in the neutral zone.

by HBK on Feb 25, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

On the plus side, I think it’s highly unlikely that the Caps will face the Flyers in the first round. Assuming the Caps win the Southeast Division, the Flyers would have to fall to 6th or 7th in the Conference in order for a DC/PHI first round meeting, and I don’t see it happening.

In theory, if the Caps were to face the Flyers in the playoffs, it would be with a round or two under their belt already, and all the goodness that comes with such victories (confidence, focus, etc.).

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably

And I don’t think there’s any team in the east that could sweep the Caps, or any team that the Caps couldn’t beat. But if there’s any team I’m worried about and would be really disappointed in losing to, it would be Philly.

by HBK on Feb 25, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

2nded. I like our chances against anyone in the east, but philly scares me the most.

by vt caps fan on Feb 25, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I think their best bet is probably facing another SE team in the first round.

by HBK on Feb 25, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

9 minors - nearly a full period playing shorthanded

Nine minor penalties – just stupid. Plus you know they dropped off the flu bug to a few Caps, too.

by hotdog88gt on Feb 25, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

I tried to start a FanShot regarding something I see as an attitude problem but it hasn’t taken. Since I think its relevant here, I’ll cross threads gasp

In Fedorov’s russian language interview (nice work on expanding the fold guys) he essentially says that the Caps are turning their focus to the playoffs. While I agree that this is a playoff team, and one that could, and should make it deep run, to think that let alone say it signals a problem for me. Especially from Feds who is supposed to be a leader/calming influence on this team. I do think that this team sees the 2 or 3 seed as a lock and they expect and hope that they will be able to coast down the stretch, winning more games than they lose, and then turn it up for the playoffs.

Last night showed everything wrong with the idea that you can turn it on and win. Turns out that the opponents have a say in things as well.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

Question: I realize the playoffs are important, but shouldn’t every game be important? I know there’s a strategy in how you play and whom you choose to put in the game. I just don’t understand how losing games during the season helps them get to the playoffs. Even if they’re saving energy, shouldn’t they work to improve their skills in each game.. as if they’re in practice? In my humble opinion, it was the attitude of making every game a winning game and always working their rears off that got the Pats to the Superbowl last year… and while I think hockey is far more amazing than football, I do think that spirit should carry over to our finer sport.

"For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction.
Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion; that it may sing; " - The Prophet

by Violetta on Feb 25, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt. I guess what it is is that if you’re a team like the Capitals, whose goal it is to succeed in the playoffs and who got out to a good start in a weak division, it’s hard to get “up” for games around what is the NHL season’s equivalent of Wednesday.

Of course the problem is: is it really feasible to suddenly play your best game after sleeping walking for two months? Not unless you’re the Arizona Cardinals.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I said the same thing in the Feds interview thread. That was certainly telling coming from him.

It’s got a be a delicate balance for this team. Last year, they were basically in playoff mode for the second half of the season and you wonder if there was an element of having to be so good for such a long stretch that they just couldn’t sustain it for the long playoff stretch. This year, they are so far ahead in the division, playoffs are all but a lock and they can “coast” to conserve some of that energy for the playoffs.

But, like you said, how much do you let down to conserve, and how easily can you turn it back on again?

by Ames on Feb 25, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

This team has no grit. A team can’t do shit without it in the playoffs.

by Stonewarden on Feb 25, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Now’s the time we need our Captain Chris Clark (from 2 season ago)

by vt caps fan on Feb 25, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I think “no grit” is a bit of an exaggeration, but they could certainly use more.

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by J.P. on Feb 25, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the problem is that all the grit is in guys who don’t play that much – Brashear, Bradley, Erskine, Gordon, etc. I do think Tom Poti is very quietly a pretty tough player around his own net, though.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Its not that we lack grit, its that we don’t have enough of it skating with the guys that are game changers.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

It looked like Gordon and Steckel were playing a log more than normal this game though…at least in the first two periods.

by snowburnt on Feb 25, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh the PK, that will do that to you.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed it at even strength, which was why I thought it was odd.

by snowburnt on Feb 25, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

By the way

What happened to Super Star Mike Green? Did all the attention jynx him?

"For reason, ruling alone, is a force confining; and passion, unattended, is a flame that burns to its own destruction.
Therefore let your soul exalt your reason to the height of passion; that it may sing; " - The Prophet

by Violetta on Feb 25, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

i think this was, unfortunately, predictable.

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by macvechkin on Feb 25, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Grit

No grit is an exaggeration, yeah. But last night was an exaggeration of their lack of the stuff.

by Stonewarden on Feb 25, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

There were several forgettable performances on the ice last night, and the boys looked like they wanted to coast after going up two. But I’m laying last night ‘s chilling loss at Bruce’s feet first. Nyls has no business being on the first line. An invisible 14 min TOI. And if the coach can’t motivate (with a benching or at least a period’s sit down) his young charges to not take penalty after penalty in the offensive zone, that’s a problem.

Way, way too cute for playoff hockey. Over-creative. And we played the last 30 minutes waiting to get hit.

by bigonetimer on Feb 25, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t define grit as a reactionary TOI alteration with the thugs. They don’t need grit, that lot. They need brains. The top shelf playmakers, they need grit. They gotta dig in. Against Philly? I don’t care the game’s for charity, man. The superstar guys can’t let up against those bastards. They got to keep playing, keep shooting. Thats grit.

by Stonewarden on Feb 25, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

That had to be the worst game I’ve seen Schulz play all year. He was on the ice watching for both of the last 2 Flyer goals….ugh…

by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 25, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

He’s probably not enjoying his birthday too much today

by Cluster on Feb 25, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt, but hopefully he’ll be back at it tomorrow.

by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 25, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I usually cringe at the “we need a physical defenseman who can hit!” argument, but against a team like the Flyers it really shows. It was a really physical game, and for two periods we gave as good as we got. But by the third we were beat up. We had no answer for Hartnell, who pounded us pretty good. Green and Schultz were just out of gas at the end of the game.

Would be nice to have someone like Sean O’Donnell to match against some of the more physical forwards in limited ice time. Erskine is okay, but obviously has his problems when he’s overused. And with apologies to Juice, he’s one of our only truly physical defenders. I can’t believe I’m advocating for acquiring a beefy slow-footed gorilla, but I guess I just did.

by treat on Feb 25, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Will Morrisonn be here a week from today

I’ve been playing around with who the Caps could move by the deadline and while Nyls tops my wish list, I doubt there’s a GM dumb enough to take him off our hands. Morrisonn though is a different case. Given his salary hit and the kids in Hershey waiting to move up, as has been pointed out already, it seems likely he won’t be here next season. McPhee’s track record shows that he rarely loses an asset without getting something in return. So if history is prologue, where could Mo go and what could the Caps get in return? Another defenseman who’s entering UFA, a scoring winger along the Eric Cole lines, Gary Roberts?

by b.orr4 on Feb 25, 2009 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think there are probably a few GMs out there who would like Morrisonn on their team. Whether the Capitals can upgrade and stay under the cap, even without his salary is another question.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the urgency is building for us to make a more significant play than just a tinker…something a little bigger: Flash, Fehr, even Semin (though I doubt it) and Jose, as well as Mo I think could or should be in play. One has to think GM is prepared to counter any moves that PHI, BOS, and NJD are going to pull off, because they are not going to get worse next week.

by bigonetimer on Feb 25, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

so the panic button is pressed?

I’m not sure that there is the need to do more than a tinker. If the big splash is there (ie Pronger), great!!! I hate to look like I’m back pedaling, but this team is good, really good in fact. They can play with and beat everyone in the league.

A locker room guy that can ask for and command respect from the young guys is, IMHO, what this team needs. Someone that isn’t afraid to dress Steckel, Fehr, Semin, Mo, (insert name here) down in front of everyone when they commit one of those stupid 3rd period offensive zone penalities. Someone that can go out and work hard not by looking for the pretty pass, but by taking and giving cross checks in front of the net.

I know that those guys don’t grow on trees but I would say that if it takes Flash to get that guy its a done deal.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, it’s hard to say panic, as compared to last year… : )

Like you, I think we need a couple of impact players, and for those guys, I’d be willing to trade some bigger pieces and take some risk of jostling the chemistry (which, when you are winning, is admittedly easier).

by bigonetimer on Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

DMG

Sorry you were demoted back to Contributor. But I’ll be the first to thank you for taking one for the team, and keeping Japer’s under the cap. Japer’s is in better shape now: stronger, grittier, faster with tuvanhillbilly on the roster.

by Sct112 on Feb 25, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Just don’t take any stupid penalties.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Feb 25, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

What can I say? I know my role. My Boyd Gordon/Jeff Schultz/Matt Bradley workmanlike effort helps the team but we needed to bring in some flash.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Some guy that crammed into the elevator on the way down to Metro level started barfing, “MIKE GREEN NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY SOME DEEEFANCE.”
::facepalm::

Theo was outstanding until that second goal went in. Then it seemed that he was doing that look, analyze, react, then move thing again. Dave needs to work with him on that because it’s just unacceptable at that level.
Turn head to puck, move body with you, THEN react.
Instead he was stretching with his stick flopping around in desperation mode.
Cheers to him keeping us in it until then though. I haven’t seen so many breakaways in one game in a long time.

I think the guys blew their load on Sunday and having Kozlov come back into the lineup will right the ship once more.
Look for the Caps to destroy Atlanta on Thursday. DESTROY. We’re talking pulling the goalie, putting the backup in, pulling the backup.

by zephyr on Feb 25, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

he made a nice save with Green’s stick too

by snowburnt on Feb 25, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Theo was great up to the second goal, and did pretty well after it too… the second goal was a helluva shot by Hartnell…

The last two may have been weak on Theo’s part, but in reality if Schultz had been doing his job on those two plays those shots don’t even happen…

by MikeL-Pivonka on Feb 25, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

END OF THE WORLD?

No. A young team that feels “safe” at home, coming off a definitive victory over a hated rival jumps to a lead after two periods, let’s in a goal and starts to panic in its own end, to the point that if set to music the actions of the d-men in their zone would be a comedic Benny Hill type segment. There should have been a Caps timeout after the tying goal, to settle everyone down, including Theodore, who was stellar for 9/10 of the game.
 
The only answer for Nylander is to sit him consistently. He is no longer merely “not good” he is a deficit. In the last four games he has had two neutral zone giveaways that led directly to goals. He has passed the puck when faced with open nets, he has taken terrible penalties and his ability to skate has provided nothing but empty puck possession. He is the only player I have ever seen who Ovechkin can’t make look good.

Not being the toughest team on the ice against the Flyers is not uncommon, but it’s important to remember that we have out muscled most of the teams we’ve played. We can hang.

In my opinion the discipline and defense problems are tied for the biggest threat, with defense getting a slight nod. After all, with effort you can clean up discipline, but bad defense takes major effort to fix. ShaMo, Jurcina, Green lately, and Erskine at times are problematic. Ovechkin and Nylander seem to have lost all credibility in their own zone. Semin is, just as he is in the offensive zone, either horrible or fantastic in the defensive zone, particularly during the penalty killl (though lately I’d give him higher marks if he could consistently clear the puck to the outside without shooting it ten rows into the stands). Backstrom, on the other hand is a revelation. We simply MUST become more defensive.

All in all I am not worried as much as I am frustrated. I know this team can be excellent to good for three periods, but I’m seeing bad to terrible too often. My one sense of confidence is that Boudreau knows more than I do and seems to be able to use that knowledge to keep the win column more robust than the loss column.

I hate Pittsburgh. And the Pens too.

by B8ovin on Feb 25, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Looking ahead to the playoffs, the Caps need...

Dale Hunter. I know, he ain’t available, but they need that kind of playoff experience, willingness to muck it up, grit, whatever you want to call it. Fedorov is fine for the experience angle, but that’s not the complete “need” here.

Who’s out there who would be able to do it?

by OldPhil on Feb 25, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

I didn’t see the game last night, but my dad called me today, and he had some thoughts on it. My dad is NOT a hockey fan at all, he grew up in Dayton Ohio during the Big Red Machine years, so it took me aback.

He said that the Caps seemed to get called for everything close to tripping, and the other team did not. He said it seemed very very one-sided in the officiating. I mentioned briefly before about how I feel (That the team now has a reputation with the refs, so they look harder for it) and I wanted to know if it was really like that last night, or if he was just confused or if the Caps were diving. Thanks.

Can't we get Chris Bourque a red jersey now? Thanks.

by Whiter Mage on Feb 25, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions  

The old adage is you can’t blame the officials for a loss.

This team has the skill to beat any team on a given night. I believe they believe it too.
But sometimes they forget, or they fail to perform as a team, or perform to their abilities, or all of the above.

by Icebat on Feb 25, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wasn’t asking if that’s why we lost. I was asking if the officiating was poor.

Can't we get Chris Bourque a red jersey now? Thanks.

by Whiter Mage on Feb 25, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, each team was called for tripping once and the Capitals were called for one more minor than the Flyers, so the numbers don’t seem to suggest it was one sided and I didn’t get that feel watching the game either.

My two cents.

by David Getz on Feb 25, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Good enough for me.

Can't we get Chris Bourque a red jersey now? Thanks.

by Whiter Mage on Feb 25, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  


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