Adventures in Media Bias
by Becca H on Dec 6, 2009 1:57 PM EST
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It's not unusual to have a game portrayed in two different ways by each team's respective media corps. A lopsided score will be reported in the winning city as a tremendous team game, highlighting the accomplishments of the victor; for the losers, it's often a point by point breakdown of how their team wasn't ready to play or failed to follow the system. Usually neither one is completely wrong, either.
Inherent but not blatant bias - such is the world of journalism.
It's when it becomes blatant that we have an issue, and somehow the Philadelphia media has decided to cross that line and unite in the cause of, believe it or not, making Daniel Carcillo look like less of a moron. As the play stands, it comes across as a cheap-shot, an unprovoked sucker punch that comes before his opponent has even dropped his gloves or stick. Hard to defend, really, and hard to see why Carcillo would have taken exception to Matt Bradley, right?
Enter the phantom high stick.
The story being spread by our neighbors up a snowy I-95 today is that Matt Bradley high-sticked Carcillo - an infraction that was so obvious that it was missed by both referees (and the camera operators and commentators for both CSN Washington and CSN Philly). And it was so heinous that it set off Carcillo and rendered him unable to think clearly.
Here's how the hit is portrayed here in Washington, from the Washington Post:
With the score tied 1-1, Bradley finished his check on Carcillo along the sideboards. Carcillo took exception to the clean hit and delivered a cross-check to Bradley's back. By the time Bradley realized he was being engaged, Carcillo had dropped his gloves, cocked his fist and delivered a right jab to Bradley's jaw, dropping the winger to the ice.
And the Washington Times:
It was a 1-1 contest after goals from Fleischmann and Philadelphia's Mika Pyorala, but everything changed when Bradley hit Carcillo along the left boards near the Washington blue line. Carcillo took offense and cross-checked Bradley twice, trying to get him to fight. Carcillo threw off his gloves and, just as Bradley turned to engage him, the Flyers pugilist drilled Bradley with a right cross that sent him to the ice. Bradley had to be helped off the ice and did not return [...]But here's how the Philadelphia media viewed it - first, the Philadelphia Inquirer (emphasis added):
About 2½ minutes after Mika Pyorala tied the game, 1-1, by knocking in a fat first-period rebound - a goal that ended the Flyers' eight-period scoreless drought - Carcillo was hit by Matt Bradley's high stick near the sideboards.
Carcillo retaliated with a cross-check and dropped his gloves. Just as Bradley dropped his gloves, Carcillo decked the Caps' right winger with a right to his face.
As Carcillo threw the punch, Bradley appeared to throw off his right glove as if he wanted to fight.
Auger gave Carcillo two minutes for cross-checking, two minutes for instigation, five minutes for fighting, a 10-minute misconduct, and a game misconduct.
Bradley got zero minutes.
Comcast's Philadelphia affiliate took it one step further in their recap:
Bradley got a high stick on Carcillo at the boards and that triggered the fight. Except referee Stephane Auger never saw it. Carcillo cross-checked Bradley and that led to shoves. Carcillo dropped his gloves, but grabbed onto Bradley, who dropped his right glove with his left glove still on.
Bradley swung his right hand around as Carcillo unloaded his right hand that caught Bradley flush in the face. Bradley’s left glove was still on his hand when he began to throw his right hand.
For what it's worth, the high stick gets no mention by Peter Laviolette. Or Scott Hartnell. Or Chris Pronger.
Or Carcillo himself (although he had plenty of other things to say).
And it gets no attention from Dan Rosen, playing the role of neutral observer with his recap of the game on NHL.com:
[T]he story of Saturday's game centers on Carcillo, who lost his cool 14:33 into the first period after getting hit cleanly by Matt Bradley near the penalty boxes.
Carcillo first cross-checked Bradley while he was on the ice, earning a two-minute minor penalty. He then instigated a fight with Bradley, good for another two minutes. Finally, before Bradley could get both gloves off, Carcillo cold-cocked him with a right hook to the face. That was good for a five-minute fighting major -- and on top of that he was issued a 10-minute misconduct and a game misconduct.
So was it a high stick? It's hard to find any justification for what Carcillo does next, but here's the video (from the CSN Philly feed, no less)...you be the judge:
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I just watched the play again on the CSN replay of the game and even looking for a high stick, I don’t see it. Bradley had his stick up in the air, but it was nowhere close to Carcillo.
Same. It wasn’t planned but somehow I timed that perfectly to coincide with the replay of the event in question…I’m just that good ;)
Just saw Carcillo got four games.
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Yeah, what’s up with that? Did Campbell recuse himself and not tell anybody?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I know. I was (jokingly) wondering if Campbell saw that it was Florida, recused himself, but then forgot to tell that person.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yea that’s where there getting the high stick From except Brads stick didn’t hit him up high
by washfan29 on Dec 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Philly fans think they’re entitled to their own facts. Even when they don’t exist.
by TylerG on Dec 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The fans aren’t the media. Make that distinction, please.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a really good point. I really haven’t seen tales of the phantom high stick from all that many fans – just claims of Carcillo’s idiocy, which I can wholeheartedly support.
This high stick thing is almost squarely on the Philly media.
Well, let’s not go to overboard here. The high-stick conspiracy theorist PHL fans were in full effect on Twitter last night.
I believe it was started by a media member on Twitter, @sbaicker
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
That’s the one I saw, yup – I was going back and forth with her for awhile, even reached out to one of our beat writers and the Caps’ PR guy to make sure I wasn’t just seeing it through Caps-colored glasses.
I think I RT’d it, saying something like “Wow, didn’t see that.” But after several replays I still didn’t see it, so that’s when I shrugged it off. I’m quite honestly shocked they continued to report it as fact.
I guess Bradley’s stick was a little high, and from the press box maybe it looked like a high-stick. But they’re privy to the exact same replays as we are, so that’s no excuse.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
You did, yeah. I figured since you didn’t follow up, you didn’t see it on the replay either. As far as I can tell, Bradley’s stick was high but so was Carcillo’s, and neither stick connected with either head.
The 2 CSN crews seemed to have different views of the situation overall, but the fact that neither one mentioned a high-sticking call that was missed is pretty telling. Usually they’ll catch that kind of thing eventually, especially the team that was “wronged” by the missed call.
In the Philly feed, I think it might be before the video that’s online starts, Jim Jackson says something like “Carcillo’s gotta be careful here.” Everybody knew it was dumb. Even in the part of the video that’s online, you can hear in his voice as Carcillo throws the punch that he knows it was stupid.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Um, OK. The media cited in the post is not entitled to its own facts. Neither are fans such as @LawGoalie29, who was arguably the PHL Joker of the Night last night.
I called him that same guy out last night on Twitter. For the record.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm ok with the distinction
EXCEPT the crowd cheered when a referee got hit with a puck, and booed when he got up. Of course it wasn’t everyone there, but seriously?
Agreed. You guys were almost all on board with the “sucker punch” line of thought when I went by. I didn’t see much “the NHL is out to get us” (maybe because you already set your people straight) or revisionist history. Aside from one or two guys the most I saw was “Bradley should get 5 for dropping the gloves too” which I don’t agree with but can understand.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is true, but unfortunately it’s the extreme examples that always stick out most in people’s minds.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Well then. I suppose that’s just. As much as we all loathe the Flyers, I can’t help but feel a bit sorry for Laviolette.
"My face is my mask."
Why? He gets 4 games without Carcillo. That’s the best gift a new coach could get, frankly.
by brs03 on Dec 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m in love with lame puns and stupid jokes. In other news: one of my flatmates bought this stuff called “Bacon Salt” with the tagline, “Everything should taste like bacon.” I think it’s the greatest thing ever.
"My face is my mask."
I was about to warn “BACONSALT ISN’T KOSHER!” but then I looked at the bottle, and BaconSalt actually features 0% real bacon.
"My face is my mask."
I saw a bacon salt on facebook and was intrigued so I bought it next time I went to Giant.
Now.. I put it on everything… steaks, chicken, potatos, in my milk, lemonade, breakfast cereal…. man…. i even roll around naked in a bathtub full of bacon salt every friday night while watching the recording of the 11 round shootout from the other week,over and over again
Well done, Becca.
I love to see Carcillo blow it for Philly. Their fans think that this thug shit is the way to play, then wonder why their team blows it in the playoffs each year. Jokes.
I guarantee Max Talbot saw this clip last night and chuckled.
Suddenly I’m looking forward to the Winter Classic — and I had been planning not to bother watching.
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Philadelphia sports fans make me sick. And I share an apartment with two of them.
"My face is my mask."
In a related story...
I’d like for some media person to find out why Carcillo gets four and why Duco gets none.
Brads not being able to defend himself would likely be the reason.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Giroux was able to turtle and protect himself from getting dummied.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
That depends on what the League’s quote on the incident is, doesn’t it?
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Well, not necessarily. I mean, the rulebook/CBA must say something on the point, I just don’t know what it is. And furthermore, I don’t think a single media member has asked the league about the Duco play… which is odd because Gabby said he thought Duco was the sixth-skater-on. (Which, FWIW, it sure looked like to me, too.)
I’d presume that Gabby or the FO would have pushed that issue more if that were the case.
But if we’re talking about the “retaliate for a clean hit” behavior going on, we’re on the same sheet of music there.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Well, I’m not sure. I mean as someone here pointed out: That’s a hard thing to see on replays. Not many camera angles can show a guy coming on as Skater No. 6. I mean, who keeps a camera on a visiting bench looking for a Duco?! :-P
Re the last point: Amen. We’re STILL waiting for the league to do something about that.
I’d presume the high goal cameras (above stadium concurse) would help catch a little of that, but that’s guessing on my part.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
And all the NHL scouting footage has it. I’ve said before I’d kill to get my hands on that stuff. The NHL would do it’s fans and media a huge favor making that available.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Money, some sure. But that would also lead to even more rampant arguments about plays.
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Wait, extra attention to the sport is a bad thing from the NHL’s perspective?
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
DIdn’t Duco get sent down to the AHL?
Also, Duco doesn’t have the track record in the NHL that Carcillo does.
Also, the blood and injury that others have mentioned.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Not right
What happened with Duco didn’t look as bad as what happened with Carcillo. Again the ugliness of an event determines the punishment. Both should have gotten three.
Carcillo was at least responding to a hit where, maybe, he saw Brads stick near his face (although, I know, he didn’t mention it). The check that Giroux threw (on somebody else!) was clean in every sense of the word, and Duco basically came off the bench and skated across the ice for the attack. The fact that it just so happens Giroux wasn’t hurt gets Duco off the hook??
Not right, indeed!
For what it’s worth, the high stick gets no mention by Peter Laviolette. Or Scott Hartnell. Or Chris Pronger.
Great point. The fact that the Flyers aren’t unilaterally coming to Carcillo’s defense says a lot. It was a stupid play, his teammates know it and everyone but the Philadelphia media blowhards seem to know it.
You should watch the video. His eyes are scary.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone link me to where that video is? I missed it/can’t find it.
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Go to the Flyers website and check the postgame video from Dec. 5. It’s in there.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Richards isn’t the only “kid” Captain in the NHL. There’s Toews on Chicago and Crosby on Pitt. (Our kid turned it down — at age 21. Think he was right! I think team captains need a certain amount of gravitas, which is just not there for people under age 25. Let’s face it. Someday Ovi will make a great captain but when he was first offered it, at age 21, he knew he was not ready.)
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I think it ought to be Laich.
{ducks}
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
You think it ought to be, like, who?
I think it ought to be, like, Poti. Just to piss off Scotty Hockey.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Scotty Hockey will have nothing to pick at but scraps by the time I’m done with you.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 7, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Here are screencaps of the supposed high stick from CSN DC.
Angle 1 (straight on):
Angle 2 (along the boards):
I think Brads stick is high from the hit, but it looks to be way out in front of Carcillo. Carcillo’s own stick is closer to his face.
You be the judge.
Nice work – that’s exactly what I saw, too. I can see how on initial viewing you could claim there was a high-sticking call, but watching it over and over…it’s reaching at best. And no one but the print media seemed to notice it, so there you go.
The stick was high, but it made no contact with Carcillo. Not impossible to see why someone could think it did, though.
That being said, a lot of the Flyers writers have clearly been taking team matters far too personally lately, coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories and other crap to make the Flyers into the victims in every situation. It’s pretty embarrassing.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 6, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
If it’ll make you feel better, I think that goes on everywhere (“the League rigged last year’s Cup for Cindy!”); it’s all just a matter of degrees of paranoia.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 6, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And you guys are shooting them down!
I’ve commented in the other thread about this, but the fact that Carcillo was grasping at straws to defend himself and didn’t mention the high stick is all I need to know.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Where is the indignation and canadian fury about this hit. It was actually much closer to the fight where someone died than OV’s play. Where is a certain HHOF writer’s anger, where is Don Cherry, when will Millbury call for Carcillo to be jumped by four goons? Waiting for it.
I was at the game, but on the other side of the ice. The punch was definitely early, before Bradley squared off. Lots of anger at first, but when cooler heads prevailed, most of the Flyers fans around me agreed Carcillo is an idiot
Exactly how I felt about it, too. We all let our provincial biases guide our thinking at first. It’s our opinions after the smoke clears, so to say, that should be taken into account.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. My immediate provincial reaction was that the Caps need a better fighter. Then I saw the replay.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
9 minutes, 3 goals, four games, the regard of your New Coach, and genuine hardnoses like Pronger and Hartnell are rolling their eyes at you. Against all that, Carcillo’s welcome to whatever comfort the death throes mainstream media offers him.
Thanks BSH for the balanced book. Ruins many of my generalizations about Philly sports teams, fans, and media, but….I’ll always have Pittsburgh!
by redlineblue on Dec 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know, that Hooks Orpik over at Pensburgh has an annoying knack for being pretty objective, too ;) Damn him.
by Becca H on Dec 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel dirty agreeing with you people.
- Ovechkin
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
That bullet point is supposed to be a bleeping out swear word. That’s my cue… later, folks.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks BSH for the balanced book. Ruins many of my generalizations about Philly sports teams, fans, and media
OK. Enough shoveling. Now that he’s gone should we say what we really think? :-)
Where the best Caps and Flyer fans agree
There is clearly a growing debate in the league about the grey area of hits-to-the-head and other dangerous play. The game is faster and the ice is now an open NASCAR track. But we can all agree on some basics: you are responsible for your sticks (and knees); and you should let a guy drop his gloves if you are going to fight him. We good fans need to defend the rules of sportsmanship lest the CNN media types only show the stereotypical violence and not the beauty and passion of the real game. We can thank a weak Comish Betman for that. Ballard should have been suspended just to send a message that no gratuitous violence will be allowed. I like the fact that even on the Phily blogs and message boards, a good number of fans think Carcillo is bad for their team and the league…just like some of the dumb stuff Brashear did with the Caps (ie hit on Betts) is bad too. Game on. PS We can also agree that watching the Caps v Flyers is a lot better than the Wizards v 76ers. Game on boyZ!
There is definitely no agreement that Ballard should be suspended.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know, right?
I see Hooks only at the Rink. He would mess with my blanket enmity and my good friend Homer Bias, you’re right. That’s one more thing I hate about those Pittsburgh people.
Here – check out NHL.com’s fail display of why we love to hate some of those Pens fans, to renew your faith in humanity.
And remember that no Caps fan has ever raised a middle finger toward another player. Classless.
…/cough
If they weren’t caught on camera, it didn’t happen!
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 6, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
29 or 19 PIMs for Carcillo?
Can I get a final verdict? The Philly suspension article linked above mentioned the greater number, among other reputable sources, but it seems the math does not add up. Did he get two game misconducts/is that even possible?
'It is bitter -- bitter,' he answered. 'But I like it, because it is bitter, and because it is my heart.'"
2 (cross-check) + 2 (instigator) + 5 (fighting) + 10 (ten-minute misconduct) + 10 (applied along with a game misconduct) = 29 PIM
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
anything's possible
when you have the mental discipline of a coked-up weasel. 2 + 2 + 5 + 10 + 10 = 29.
Well, getting two game misconducts in the same game isn’t.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
So is a game misconduct always charged as 10 PIM, no matter how many minutes of the game you actually end up missing?
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by CapitalCentre on Dec 6, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, and it’s often called simultaneously with the regular misconduct, which is also ten minutes.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think game misconduct is automatic with a major + misconduct. I’ve seen misconducts w/o ejection (i.e. no game misconduct). Something like that
by red army line on Dec 7, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Did Philly make all the wrong moves this offseason or what?!?…Just glad we got Knuble. That being said, I wonder how he feels watching his old team self-implode like that last night.
The old "It's always the last place you look" comment makes sense because once I find it, I stop looking!
Probably glad that he got out at just the right time… and went to a team that’s clearly superior.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Philthy still looks good on paper, with Carter and Richards. And picking up Pronger. If I recall correctly, they are in cap space problem and have too many goons on their roster. I recalled they had acquired goons at the trading deadline. Okay, physical hockey happens a lot in the playoffs and physical teams, in many cases, are more built for the playoffs. But there is such a thing as too many goons.
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Photo on the bottom right of the post sports section clearly shows that when Carcillo’s fist connected with Bradley’s face, Brads had at least one glove off. Said glove is also very clearly still in the air (about waist high). More evidence, imo, that Bradley was not prepared to fight.
That’s a great picture for me. Obviously, some ignoramuses will say “See, his glove is coming off!” But clearly, by the time he gets his fingers out of his glove, Carcillo’s fist is in his face. So, there’s more evidence for us realists.
By the way, that photo came from a Flyers site who appeared only marginally biased. So, that’s somethin, right?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Dec 6, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
Welcome Geoff, and right on. I have no doubt the day’ll come we’re on BSH trying to distinguish ourselves from the ingoramuses on our end. Good stuff.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The writer who wrote the article for the Inquirer had an online entry saying that paragraph essentially verbatim, but he also added, “By the NHL’s logic, I guess Carcillo wouldn’t have been suspended if, say, he punched Bradley on the arm.” while titling his post “NHL (National Hilarity League) suspends Carcillo.”
So, … yeah.
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