Are You Sure About That, Mr. Carcillo?
by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:11 PM EST
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When explaining why he sucker-punched Matt Bradley late in the first period of tonight's 8-2 Caps win, Dan Carcillo offered up the following:
“He kind of came at me the shift before. He was talking to me before. I thought we were going to fight."
Huh. That explains it, then - Bradley came at him the shift before. But if Bradley did indeed come at him, it must've been pretty quick, since the two had only been on the ice together for one second prior to the shift on which Carcillo clocked Brads (and that one second wasn't at a stoppage in play, either). Take a look:
(Click to enlarge)
Carcillo also said of the incident:
“Everything happened pretty quick, I saw him drop his gloves, so I started punching him." (Emphasis added.)
The facts beg to differ:
So the question is, as Corey Masisak asks it: "If Carcillo is that unrepentant and inaccurate/lying during his review, is the NHL going to be more willing to suspend him/add games to it?" I guess we'll see.
(H/t Ovechwin on the second screen grab and renhoak for the hi-res video of the incident)
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Lavi threw Carcillo under the bus post-game too. And Richards had to tell him to man up… which he obviously didn’t because while he met the media, he lied through his tooth/teeth.
by TylerG on Dec 5, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carcillo deserves a suspension more than Ovi did. People have been wondering if Carcillo will get cut after tonight.
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 5, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He will get one cuz his name doesnt end in chards!
by ididntdoit on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize for cross-posting
I live overseas and some threads and posts take time to come up. I posted this in the recap thread but it fits better here. Sounds like Carcillo was rightfully taken to the woodshed.
From today’s Philadelphia Inquirer:
Mike Richards said he asked the referees for an explanation of the penalties and didn’t get one. After the game, Richards talked to Carcillo about showing more discipline.
“All I can do is hold people accountable here,” Richards said, “and I don’t think it’s going to be a problem anymore.”
by ExPatCapFan on Dec 6, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s gotta be bad when even Richards calls out a guy on Philthy for being dirty.
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 6, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it’s not inconceivable. Brads is a man of few words.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Related:
^Gloves still on, Carcillo ready to punch.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Awesome screen cap.
They call him nightmare...
by zephyr on Dec 5, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matty hadn’t even dropped his stick, geez.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I updated the post with that. Great grab, O.
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by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, glad I can help expose (is that the right word?) the jerk..
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a fan of the cap exposing Carcillo as a bald-faced liar. The guy’s a complete joke.
But a few days ago during the discussion on Ovie’s knee, the Japers’ crew unloaded on me for posting screen caps of the Gonchar and Gleason knee-on-knees to demonstrate my point.
A screen cap is definitely video evidence. Well done, you sure showed us the folly of our ways.
But now a screen cap is credible evidence?
FWIW, I don’t think Bradley’s stick made contact, and even if it did, what Carcillo pulled was worth the slew of penalties with 0 mins. for Bradley. I’m just wondering why the screen cap poster here decided to jump in with those who derided my posting of screen caps. Consistency, friends.
by docciavelli on Dec 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s explained in the thread. The Gonchar one isn’t a good example because you tried to use it as evidence AO led with the knee, and the screen cap ignores the Gooch dodge. These caps demonstrate the Brads had his gloves on when Carcillo was already cocked and ready to throw. Can you really not tell the difference or are you just looking for a porcupine?
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew this was coming...
These are different situations. The question this screen cap is answering right now can be condensed into a singular idea, “Did Bradley have his gloves off prior to the punch” There is no outside circumstances with this example, this isn’t the kind of thing that requires video evidence. It’s plain as day that yes, Carcillo was punching prior to Bradley’s gloves coming off.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the Gonchar hit you need to know what happens prior to the still. You need that context to answer the question “Was it a dirty play?” You can’t look at a singular moment and answer that question.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In a roundabout way, this is valid, but the main point is that Carcillo claimed something which is demonstrably false with the evidence provided (and if that’s not good enough for you, you can watch the video and see the same evidence — this is just to make things easier on everyone). If Ovechkin had said “at no point was my knee out in front of my body” or “my knee did not touch Sergei Gonchar’s”, that screen cap would’ve been ample evidence to contradict him. And yes, I posted pretty much this same point down there, but I don’t trust this docciavelli mope to read that far.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re arguing roughly the same thing.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistency, friends
You’re not my friend, pal.
You really are not my friend.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
E-mail it to Colin… this should be good for an extra game or two.
But really, if Carcillo is so easily baited by getting chirped at, then hope he gets a light sentence. He’s a walking, talking, drooling two-minute minor waiting to happen.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 5, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s his MO. I’m not convinced that a little talking to by Richards will change that.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I admit, before realizing that Brads was not getting up, I yelled, “look, he’s bleeding! Brad is gonna scooooooooore!”
by RedBirdie on Dec 5, 2009 11:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Me too. And afterwards I figured that if he didn’t score, Philly would regret it in some other fashion.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 5, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I move that you link to renhoak’s version of the incident because it’s higher quality and shows some love to the Rink Rats.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Funny how we mentioned last night how dumb Carcillo is, then he goes and pulls this.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by Hooks Orpik on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. Making me look good!
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not hard!
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by winterion on Dec 6, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Done, and h/t to Ovechwin as well.
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by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rec’d, but that rec is really for ren for that awesome screencap
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of suspension, I’m thinking it’s either 2 or 5, although predicting the suspensions is largely pointless.
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
With this guy the suspension might be pointless, too.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
by hotdog88gt on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible there was a stoppage in play somewhere in the mix that they could have exchanged words? Not that a clown like Carcillo even deserves the benefit of a doubt, just sayin.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
by Hooks Orpik on Dec 5, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the paper-face Professor would never do anything like that. Carcillo is just a thug.
by Beakers Lab on Dec 5, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really – I don’t see any overlap there other than at the 11:20 mark, and that was during play. So when could they’ve been on the ice together at a whistle?
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by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Bradley does wonders for this team in every way possible, from fighting and scoring to drawing 9-minute penalties to recycling.
"My face is my mask."
by jakeshapiro on Dec 5, 2009 11:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh he talked to him.
I didnt realize Brads had talked to Carcillo during their 1secondlong overlapping shift. Makes all the difference.
Message to Philly stooges who cheered that mugging and booed the perfectly obvious, correct call: yer porcupine’s ready. You might wanna suck it first.
by redlineblue on Dec 5, 2009 11:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Philly is a town full of Porcupine connoisseurs
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha ha ha! The bizarre things that find life on the Rink.
by RedBirdie on Dec 5, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
worst. fans. ever.
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 6, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1. This is the easiest thing for Pens & Caps fans to agree on.
by docciavelli on Dec 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I found cheering the downed ref and booing as he skated off the ice even more classless.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 6, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Excellent post, I do believe Mr. Carcillo just got pwnd.
FREE ALEX!
by Ovechkin on Dec 5, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I updated the post again with two better quotes. Guy’s a liar, plain and simple.
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by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The good news: This does actually qualify him for a columnist’s job with Sports Illustrated.
by Wyshynski on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM EST reply actions 18 recs
I dearly hope you use that tomorrow.
by RedBirdie on Dec 5, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit… Puck Daddy’s commenting at The Rink? Have you finally taken up your commentors’ suggestion and decided to just come over here and write with us since you’re obviously such a huge Caps fan?
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by J.P. on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has an avatar and everything!
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP, I think you should convince him to ditch that silly little blog he has and come write for you. That way, Becca doesn’t get stuck recapping all the really shitty games.
by RedBirdie on Dec 6, 2009 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might work if Wysh wasn’t such a big Devils fan didn’t have to take such a big pay cut.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 6, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wysh, great comment…I am still laughing. Jim Kelley column = worst hockey post I’ve seen all year.
J.P. – Super work as usual. I am in the three game club on the suspension but that was assuming Brads had a concussion (posted this on my blog). HNIC is guessing 3 games too.
If I was Laviolette I would sit that goon for 10 games after that boneheaded play. Time to send a message that no discipline on the ice won’t be tolerated.
by Ed F - WNST on Dec 6, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And of all coaches I could see Lavs doing that. He’s a class guy and doesn’t like that kind of crap from his teams. Gotta set the tone and send a message with a new team.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or will Carcillo be suspended? Or will he be released?
Can Laviolette (i.e. Love a Lot) truly be able to change the team culture so characteristic in the City of Brotherly Love; i.e. the city whose hockey team has always philthy and has an amazing talent for collecting dirty players?.
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the first goal is to win. You don’t win games with stunts like that.
FЯEE ALEX
by gotsparkly on Dec 6, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Flyers wait out his League suspension, put his butt on the bench for ten more, then reassign him to the Phantoms.
/humor me, ’k?
FЯEE ALEX
by Your Nation's Capital on Dec 6, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a winner!
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 6, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They can waive him. I don’t think they can flat out release him except during the buyout phase of the offseason.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 6, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Things that are awesome:
- JP bringing the facts to prove Carcillo a liar, Nate Ewell-style
- Ed commenting on a Wysh comment to a JP blog post
- Ed calling an SI print column a “hockey post.” (that’s almost giving Kelly’s column too much credit)
Warning to mainstream sports media: The world is changing. Better get with the program.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Burn
No baloney, Carcillo is a cheap player. I believe that not only will the league suspend him, but that he will be among the first to go from Laviolette’s kinder, friendlier Flyers team.
"I can always get someone to do my thinking for me." -Gordie Howe
by Marshall Pirate on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wysh, up from the ashes, how nice.
by wittcap79 on Dec 6, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, I think Carcillo said “He came at the shift before me”, not “He came at me the shift before”.
by Ninjak on Dec 5, 2009 11:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm… never mind. Masisak tweeted that one wrong…
by Ninjak on Dec 5, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d point out that “He came at the shift before me” makes little to no sense, but it’s Carcillo, so that’s a moot point.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought he meant Bradley took a run at Philly’s prior shift…
by Ninjak on Dec 5, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me, though perhaps others use the term more loosely, the shift is the period of time that a player or line is out on the ice. You can’t come at a period of time.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 5, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure it’s mute ;)
"And next year it will be ours."
by Ovechwin on Dec 5, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat me to it.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
by jordanDC on Dec 5, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…Said the lamb with no tongue.
by mechanicsville on Dec 6, 2009 12:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Our lamb is back on Monday against Tampa Bay. Suspension’s over then!
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 6, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
send Thanks!
Let’s face it, a 9-minute PP is a pretty nice gift. I didnt even know Carcillo liked us, and here’s a coupon good for 3 goals, put a game away before the 1/2way mark.
I’m too cheap to send flowers, but I think a thank-you postcard is only right.
Carcillo, c/o Philadelphia Flyers
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3601 S. Broad St.
Philadelphia, PA 19148-5297
It’s the least I can do.
by redlineblue on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kinda makes Corey’s tweet about the Flyers wanting to drip a little more prophetic.
In other news; hi Wysh!
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 5, 2009 11:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, drool mostly.
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by ennisj471 on Dec 6, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should we send penicillin?
by mechanicsville on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No need
This one doesn’t seem curable.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so long as it isn’t catching.
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or drop, went to the bar at 3-1.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 6, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Phantom High Stick
For all the Flyers fans that want to hype the “high stick” I’d ask this: Carcillo was throwing out every excuse in the book to justify his actions. If he was actually hit in the head with his stick don’t you think he would have at least mentioned that? The fact that neither Carcillo nor any other Flyer said anything about a missed call or ripped on the ref for getting it wrong should say all you need to know about the “high stick.”
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Would it change anything even if there was? There is no excuse for a cheap shot like that.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 6, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree. I’m all for honorable fighting, and swinging before the gloves hit the ice and the guy is squared up isn’t honorable. But there’s no point letting the BS high stick claim go unchallenged when it’s so obviously BS.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was a cheap shot for sure
but i’m not big on the freeze-frame screen grab thing. They use the same thing to crucify Ovie for the Gonchar hit. Those freeze frames can be deceiving.
by DonnieKnutts on Dec 6, 2009 3:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
But in this case the freeze frame is used not to show that the action was dirty, but to show that the player is lying. Ovechkin never said “my knee didn’t touch his” or something like that.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 6, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. That freeze frame perfectly shows that Brads had both gloved hands on his stick when Carcillo grabbed his jersey and cocked his fist ready for a punch. That picture perfectly illustrates why it was a cheap shot and deserved the penatly and (most likely) ensuing suspension.
I think this is an excellent tool to use when proving the point that JP is trying to make.
by terpgrrl on Dec 6, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What he said.
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by J.P. on Dec 6, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love this stuff (except for Brads getting dropped) because it is exactly what Philly ordered in the offseason. Clearly they aren’t intimidating people into rolling over and dying, so in the end, they’re just losing. Beautiful.
by marks4java on Dec 6, 2009 5:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone have any link to Philly blogs regarding this? I’m interested in seeing how their fans are trying to play this one down.
by Brainumbc on Dec 6, 2009 8:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here you go. Philly.com is saying that Carcillo got hit with a high stick and that Brads ‘appeared to throw off his right glove’.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20091206_Rude_welcome_for_new_coach.html
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Until I read Brads’ quote last night that he was going to fight the guy and was working on getting his gloves off, I was thinking he was totally sandbagged. He still had his gloves on and his stick in his hands, after all.
As it is, I’m glad he seems to be okay (as per his quotes last night) and he didn’t get a penalty for doing the masochism tango with that moron.
BTW, gotta love Alan May last night. “I called him a moron, but really he’s an idiot.”
I was laughing my butt off.
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 9:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
er, Alan May refering to Carcillo.
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that is a great line.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Tom Lerher reference!
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 6, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s poisoning pigeons in the park.
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 6, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s poisoningpigeonspenguins in the park.
remixed that for you.
by redlineblue on Dec 6, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remixed with New Math.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 6, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah, Tom Lerher! I love it when people get my references. _
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What’s disappointing for me is not so much Carcillo not telling the truth about what happened, it’s the provinciality of the Philadelphia media that covered the game. I won’t provide links as I don’t want them to get hits (and feel free not to believe me), but from what I have seen both last night and this morning:
-Bradley being accused of high-sticking Carcillo
-Bradley and Carcillo exchanging cross-checks
-Outrage that Bradely wasn’t given any penalty
All high-school level errors (and that’s me giving the benefit of the doubt.)
Add to that the bush-league tweet about Ovechkin being unhappy about not finding a soda in the press box (which I view with skepticism, to say the least).
Then add to that Philly’s television crew in full Carcillo apologist mode after the incident. (Vogel has a great story about the Philly broadcast team using creative editing for a Hartnell incident against the Caps last season. It’s in a Caps Report, IIRC)
I suppose the fact that it surprises me makes me a bit naive, and I certainly admit some bias as a Caps fan but It paints an unflattering picture of Philadelphia’s sports media.
by EmptyMaybe on Dec 6, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions 10 recs
Agreed on all counts.
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by J.P. on Dec 6, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More reasons to be thankful for Vogel; for Joe B; for Corey and Tarik; for Ed; for Nate Ewell and the best darned media relations team (award winning!) in the league. And for Leone and Walton for that matter. And going back to Dave Fay and Ron Weber, I’m not sure we’ve ever known what it was like to have the Caps covered poorly or unprofessionally…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we’ve ever known what it was like to have the Caps covered poorly or unprofessionally…
You must be blocking out Jason LaCanfora.
by Hystricine on Dec 6, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had blocked those out……..now I’m twitching; mentioning his name causes PTSD or something.
by RedBirdie on Dec 6, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here here. And rec’d.
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by WordsOnIce on Dec 6, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on just about all counts as well.
For the most part — and I don’t want to say all of them because that’s unfair — the Philadelphia sports media is a joke. I won’t get specific, but I mean, you guys obviously see it. It’s one of the major reasons I got into blogging in the first place, actually.
I try to be as fair as I can be, while still knowing that I’m a fan first. I’ll admit, when Carcillo dropped Bradley, the first thing I thought was “man, that was awesome.” Then, you start to think a little more rationally, and you realize just how dumb it was. Carcillo got pissed off because Bradley hit him, cleanly, and he didn’t like it.
He challenged Bradley but should have squared up with him and didn’t. That’s the huge mistake here. I don’t mind deciding to fight, even though, as Laviolette said, he should have just skated away. If he’s going to fight, fine. Do it fair. He probably would’ve KO’d Bradley regardless.
If you go back and look at my Twitter feed, you can basically see my range of emotions about this incident. I believe I last left it on “not sure how Bradley didn’t get a penalty when dropping his gloves.” Obviously, that’s at the ref’s discretion, and after watching the tape about 50 times after saying that, it’s pretty clear Bradley never had a chance. And you obviously can’t argue with the fine work J.P. put in above.
As much as I want to be able to defend Carcillo, I simply just can’t… and that’s embarrassing. I wouldn’t mind seeing Carcillo ride the pine for the next week or so, but that won’t happen and probably shouldn’t happen given how many AHL players we’re already dressing.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
No doubt it’s a natural reaction for a fan to defend their player/team at first in an incident like this, and then make an objective decision after watching a bunch of replays. I know I do it all the time – things happen too fast to process without a bias.
I’d say Philly fans are lucky to have a more reliable source to turn to (although I’m sure some of them would rather believe the crap spewed by the mainstream media).
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by kellobellow on Dec 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and hey, we can all agree on one thing: Evgeni Malkin is a bush-league punk. Seriously, who sits on a guy?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a bush-league punk like Evgeni Malkin?
by RedBirdie on Dec 6, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good on you for looking at objectively.
But, I have to ask – what gives with cheering when the ref gets hit in the face with a puck and booing when he gets up? That isn’t cool.
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by gotsparkly on Dec 6, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll defer to myself on Twitter as that happened…
Everybody who just booed as Auger got off the ice should be forced to stand along the boards as the Flyers take slap shots at them.
It’s disgusting. People need to learn the difference between life and a game. That said, there would be boos in every building in the league (maybe not as many, depending on where you’re talking about ) in that situation, and labeling it as a Philly thing or putting us all in a basket does nothing to further the discussion. Not saying you’re doing that now, but there were a lot of people on Twitter making broad generalizations like that. As a Flyers fan, those generalizations wear on me.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I did notice on the CSN feed they showed a wide angle crowd shot, and there were people clapping. The section the camera was behind had a lot of Caps fans, but I made a note to look around the arena, and you could clearly see people wearing orange and white clapping. Sometimes the minority is so loud, it feels like the majority.
by terpgrrl on Dec 6, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, definitely. There were people clapping and the CSN Philly PBP guy even denounced the cheers.
I just hate when people say things like “Stay classy, Philly” and stuff like that. We’re all not a-holes, and when people try to paint the picture that we are (I’m looking at you, the majority of Pens fans) I get very defensive.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there would be boos in every building in the league (maybe not as many, depending on where you’re talking about ) in that situation, and labeling it as a Philly thing or putting us all in a basket does nothing to further the discussion.
Like I said last night, to generalize that the cheering of a ref getting hurt as being representative of all Flyer fans is like saying all Caps fans throw garbage at opposing players when their team loses. It’s just silly, so be wary of it.
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by J.P. on Dec 6, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely. Both are irresponsible.
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by Travis Hughes on Dec 6, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis: If you haven’t already, you should consider linking to this article about Pat Dapuzzo. Seems pretty much on topic.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 6, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, this is exactly right:
He challenged Bradley but should have squared up with him and didn’t. That’s the huge mistake here. I don’t mind deciding to fight, even though, as Laviolette said, he should have just skated away. If he’s going to fight, fine. Do it fair. He probably would’ve KO’d Bradley regardless.
You’re absolutely right. Fighting over it was fine, although the cross-check wasn’t the brightest thing he’s ever done. But damn, wait for the other guy to drop his gloves. That’s the difference between a fair fight and a 9 minute power play.
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by gotsparkly on Dec 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great take, Travis. Good on you guys for keeping an even keel on this one. I don’t have much more to add so I’ll just thank you for the hospitality when I waded into your GDT.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing what a difference two seconds would have made. If Carcillo had waited just two more seconds he could have had a fight on his hands, but no.
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by hotdog88gt on Dec 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and 10's not exactly like fighting Laraque,
where the first three seconds is your only hope. I can’t imagine how Carcillo thought he might help his team with any of the 3 penalties he took. Let’s face it: beating Brads up makes him mad. Beating down Brads makes the whole flipping team mad. Ergo, recycle your pugilistic energies into the (wait for it) Hockey Game. As in, you can’t go wrong with a clean hard hit.
by redlineblue on Dec 6, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suspend him forever and ever, please. I hope this joke of a human being has finally excused himself from the roster forever, and that Laviolette won’t put up with this shit at all.
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by Ben Rothenberg on Dec 6, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is definitely not something Lavs will condone. A new coach needs to set the tone and take control and this would be a prime example for him to make regarding his views on nonsense goonery.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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