Thursday Caps Clips: Panthers @ Caps Game Day
by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 6:35 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's Southeast Division match-up between the Caps and Keith "Sunrise Swinger" Ballard and the Kitties from NHL.com and Peerless and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner (and one of the hardest working blogs in blogbiz) Litter Box Cats for coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- If you're going to the game tonight, might I suggest a "Free Alex" sign?
- Whomever's in goal for the Caps tonight... beware. [FanHouse]
- "NHL disciplinarian Colin Campbell didn't find it difficult to suspend [Alex] Ovechkin"
with the Caps facing his son's team nextwith the Caps not scheduled to be on national television any time soon. [NHL.com] - But A.O. ain't changin'. And he's mad. You wouldn't like him when he's mad. Unless you're a Caps fan, in which case you'll probably love him when he's mad. [Capitals Insider]
- More thoughts on the suspension and the way he plays the game from The Washington Times, Dan Daly, Ed Frankovic, The Examiner, Elliotte Friedman, the Pittsburgh Penguins (as if you care what they think), the late Johnny Cash (wait, what?), and Ted Leonsis.
- Great stuff on Eric Fehr, including the secret to his offensive surge: switching to A.O.'s sticks (we're still awaiting confirmation as to whether Tomas Fleischmann has been using John Erskine's twigs). [D.C. Sports Bog]
- James van Riemsdyk's four goals and nine points in 12 games earned him Rookie of the Month honors for November, because apparently that's more impressive than Semyon Varlamov's 5-1-2/1.85/.936 month... [NHL.com]
- ... even though Varly was the most clutch goalie in the League - rookie or veteran - in November. [USA Today]
- Caps prospect Dmitri Kugryshev is currently in the top 10 in the QMJHL in assists, and his favorite player is... Alexander Semin. [FanShot]
- "Washington Capitals prospects Stefan Della Rovere and Cody Eakin have been invited to attend the 2010 Canadian National Junior Team Selection Camp, Hockey Canada announced today, while a third Capitals prospect, John Carlson, has been named to the preliminary roster for the 2010 U.S. Junior National Team, USA Hockey announced today." Go get 'em, boys. [Press Release]
- Junior Seau talks pucks. Sorta. [Puck Daddy]
- Sticking with football, the Caps have a fan in Philly. [D.C. Sports Bog]
- Part of me thinks this is a little bit awesome. That part isn't allowed to blog. [eBay via First Cuts]
- The Washington Times is "reducing staff by at least 40%. Sports likely to be gone, though nothing official." This is simply terrible news for Caps fans. Not sure what else to say. [@TimLemkeTWT]
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Terrible news is right! I hope they’re able to keep Corey around or that Corey is able to stay in DC sports in another way. Tough times.
Damn, that sucks. I hope Corey lands on his feet here or in another good market. His coverage is great and is the only thing I’ve ever read at TWT.
I could have been equipment manager, but nooooo!
by boutros23 on Dec 3, 2009 7:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, it’s pretty hard to see how local sports coverage is part of the plan. Lots of resumes going out on the street today.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Corey should include “endorsed by Japers’ Rink” on his resume.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
If only we could do more for him, we would.
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Is the Rink hiring?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
We’re always hiring. But the pay sucks, the hours are brutal and the boss is a dick.
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The boss may seem cold on the outside, but I hear he has a heart of gold.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Then why did he donate his holiday bonus to the children’s hospital last year?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
It’s true. I haven’t received a single penny of bonus here at SBN that hasn’t gone to help needy children.
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Maybe he’s just been searchin’ for a heart of gold? Almost like a miner for a heart of gold even?
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
In keeping with continuity, this is a solid cover of that song (though I prefer his version of Pocahontas much more).
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
I don’t know how you all can stand to work for Jasper.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Callin’ out the boss? You better believe that’s a paddlin’
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see why this is a big deal, really. Who buys the WT newspaper? Those people who are of value (i.e. Corey) will find a place to continue their profession – ESPN DC/Yahoo/SN, etc. This isn’t an auto plant closing.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
Well, as bad as that is, it is the reality of the print journalism these days. Earlier this year The Rocky Mountain News just upped and closed one day. Though if they’re dropping local news and sports, I don’t know how much traction the Times will get. Seems to me that they’re just delaying the inevitable.
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Please load brain before shooting off mouth.™
Trying to avoid the political statement here, the Times does have a certain national audience for it’s editorial slant. Since it’s never made a profit anyway, this will probably staunch the bleeding, as it were.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I know where you’re trying to go with that (and I am not interested in a fight either because there’s no point to it) but the Examiner newspapers have the same slant/bias. They currently provide local news and sports coverage. I could easily see the Examiner surpassing the Times and forcing the Times completely out of business.
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Everybody Wang Chung......
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The Examiner produces local, free papers, right? I’m not really up on the newspaper business, but it seems to me to be a different target from what the Times says it’s planning to do (not what it currently is). But I don’t necessarily disagree with your point.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Yes, they have a different target.
The Times has, unfortunately, always played second-fiddle to the Post here. The Post was the only dog in town for a very long time – only big dog – and the the Times has always had trouble competing for readership.
I also believe that at least part of their current problem is that their website is inferior to the Post’s in many ways. Because I am forced to use IE6 at work (can’t upgrade, can’t download Firefox), I can barely read articles on the Times’ website. COOL = USABLE. I’ve complained about this several times, but nothing’s been done. At least to me, it’s a huge turnoff.
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The Post wasn’t the only game in town for very long. I think they bought the last competing daily int he city sometime in the mid-1970s, and the Times started up in 1981, iirc. Katherine Graham remarked in her book that it’s always better to have competition because it keeps you honest, keeps you working harder to be the best, no matter how wacky the Moonies might be.
Corey’s invaluable, and it’s important to remember that he currently holds the “Dave Fay” chair. It hurts me almost as much to see that disappear as to see Corey potentially go (and it really hurts me to see Corey potentially go).
I wonder if the Caps need another writer to sit next to Vogel?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve always wondered, if Vogel is the “senior writer”, who’s the “junior writer”? I love job titles.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
It's more like this...
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
arriving last in the day (for me), so forgive me if this has already been said, but its simply awful news, for Corey and all the other pavement pounders who work for the Times. There are a lot of people they who are journalists for all the right reasons, ownership be damned. I hope they’ll be bale to land quickly at other publications.
The Alex Ovetjkin blog has started an open thread for fans who wish to show their support for Ovi. Here is the link:
http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/2009/12/lets-support-ovi-open-thread.html
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Free Nylander (to good owner)
I could have been equipment manager, but nooooo!
by boutros23 on Dec 3, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Free Nylander (with the purchase of another Nylander of equal or greater value).
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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by redlineblue on Dec 3, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I read that whole thing in the Micro Machines Fast Talking Guy voice
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed! I have my own (very limiting) definition of what is a sport and one of them is:
Sports may be officiated, but not judged.
DC, where Hockey is a baffling ordeal.
by Chris meet Alex on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Judging from Ballard’s last two games, I’ll go out on a limb and say the penalty box attendant should watch their arse tonight.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
I was thinking maybe we ought to put Varly in net tonight simply because that way we know he’s never been the Sunrise Swinger’s teammate.
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by gotsparkly on Dec 3, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Cheers. Looking forward to tonight. How’d your boys look last night? Should we expect a tired crew?
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I actually watched much of the Florida/Colorado game. Florida played a damn good game last night and should have won in regulation, really. Instead, the game went to a shootout.
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Can’t say an extra five minutes of game time and ~20 minutes of time in gear, etc. upsets me.
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No. It was a five-round shootout, too. Peter Budaj did a pretty decent job despite coming in ice cold with 41 seconds left in overtime and not facing a shot in that time.
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And we worry/complain about the Caps not being able to hold a thrid period lead. The Cats were leading 5-3 with ONE minute left in the third and gave up two goals in the final :60.
Don’t you find it worth mentioning that Budaj had to come on b/c Anderson had just been run over by…wait for it…Keith Ballard? I found that somewhat poetic.
by mechanicsville on Dec 3, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not say how you can call blowing a 5-2 lead in the third a “damn good game.” If the Caps did that we certainly wouldn’t characterize it that way. They had good and bad moments and got what they earned, IMO.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
“Sunrise Swinger” makes Ballard sound like an extra from “Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions
A mite defenseman practicing his technique during summer camp…
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 3, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I’d have gone with “Dade County Decapitator,” but Sunrise is in Broward, if I’m not mistaken.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you wanted to Chris Bermanize it, it’d be Keith Ballard “Of Ira Hayes”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 8:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nice (Berman notwithstanding), and with continuity!
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Quick note on road trips...
Apropos of nothing (ahem), I’d like to encourage everyone to give a quick re-read of our Community Guidelines, and note especially the following:
Our community is part of the larger SB Nation community, and we have all the respect in the world for the work that our colleagues do. When you’re a member of Japers’ Rink – especially if you’re a Caps fan – you are, to an extent, representing Japers’ Rink when you’re participating elsewhere on the SB Nation network. Act accordingly.
That’s all I’ve got to say on that. No need to discuss it further at present.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 8:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I might see my way clear to a “Free Alex” sign tonight.
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We’re working on putting something together, but if someone wanted to do one up – a nice PDF, white on red, 8.5 × 11(and with a small JapersRink.com in the lower right) – we might be able to post it and get the troops mobilized.
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Times like this are the only ones when it sucks being in the nosebleeds. No one would ever see any sign.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Sure they would. And if everyone here printed out ten or more and brought them and handed them out at the doors? It’d be mildly epic.
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I’m going to the McPhee Chalk Talk. Appropriate to have it there? I could really embarass my husband, who’s stuck going with me tonight instead of my daughter.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I’d print twenty and hand them out if you put it up. Hell, I’d put it up myself, if I wasn’t at work. :-)
It’s in the works. Certainly by lunch we’ll be mobilizing.
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Suggestion for getting the PDF – there’s a freeware program called CutePDF, about 8Mb in size. It uses a ghostscript converter to take any file and dump it to PDF. It’s clean, no bugs, never had a problem with it, and using it is easy (just choose to print the file and choose CutePDF Writer as your printer).
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I’m behind the home net, so it’d definitely get visibility.
Creative marketing team, assemble!
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Where do you sit BP? My folks are in 116; I’m sometimes there when home for the holidays. If you noticed a tall drunk asshole at the Buffalo game trying to lead an “asshole” chant immediately after the Kaleta penalty, that was me.
I wasn’t at that one, but usually I’m in row E of 117.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Santa?
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And check this FanShot. Which was not endorsed or approved by Rink management and if they (you) feel it’s inapropriate, pleez delete.
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Free Firefox! (No really. It’s free).
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Kinda my issue. Everything crashses my work machine though…Vista on a 6 y/o Dell laptop = rage filled days.
Augh. That would make me want to kill. Fortunately, the Vista pilot was a complete and utter failure here, so we’re still on XP.
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I missed the original transition because my computer was with me overseas…I come back, was told don’t worry about it, we’re not gonna give you Vista…fast forward to last week. I come in and my machine was changed over, but whoever did it neglected to copy my files over…and I’ve come to found out did not back up anything on the C drive. The frustration/anger seriously made me tear up…and there’s nothing worse than seeing an angry ginger with watery eyes.
You and me both, sistah. Hell, I’m even running IE6!
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There’s a book with that title (or something very similar). It’s about how Asian-Americans were viewed in light of going to war against Japan in WW2. I had to read it for my Racism in American Society class at USF a number of years ago.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
Looking for it now. It’s hard to nail it down b/c I don’t remember the number of A’s I’s or E’s. I would recognize the cover immediately, however.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
I believe it’s this one, although the cover on mine in college was much different.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
As a web designer, that makes me furious.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As a human being who uses the Internet, it makes me furious.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I remember working onsite on a government contract about 15 years ago, and the computers were running software versions that were probably five years out of date. And at a time when Excel had already taken over, we were running an outdated version of Lotus with funky add-ons to make our reports.
On the other hand, I got paid to learn how to use WordPerfect (which I still use, and have yet to adapt to Word), so I couldn’t complain.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
I still get nostalgic over WordPerfect 5.2 — no better word processing software before or since.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 3, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
One day our whole country is going to blue screen.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Except the Mac and Linux users.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, the children with toy computers will be alright.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Please.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
My philosophy on computer OS choice is the same as it is on religion. Namely, don’t try to convert me and I won’t try to convert you.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I’m just joking around. I’d buy a Mac if I had $2000 to blow.
And I tried ubuntu linux a couple times.. it’s fantastic until you need a program and the only one that fits the bill is command line only. UGH.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
I’ve been using Macs for over 15 years. Long before the trendy image they currently maintain. I’ve gotten a lot of shit from smug PC users over the years, so I’m pretty much stopped caring what other people thought on the subject.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
smuc PC users
There’s a switch.
But seriously, I don’t give a crap about what anybody uses (unless it’s IE6). I’m just bitter that Apple prices all of its products out of the realm of accessibility for a lot of people..
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
smucg PC users
This is what happens when you don’t cut-paste.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Yea, the smug PC user comment may seem ironic, but go back 5 – 10 years when Macs were nowhere near as popular/trendy and it makes more sense. I’m just thinking back when people found out I used Macs and they would immediately launch into a tirade about how they can’t [insert unoriginal argument here]. Hence why I stopped caring what people thought.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, my dad was one of those guys. It’s hilarious that people care so much.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
Indeed. In the grand scheme of things, it’s such a stupid thing to argue about.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Word
My family’s all in education. I still remember when my folks brought home the very first Mac (we rented one for a week or so before later buying one). I can vividly remember a time in the 90s when Mac users were very looked down-upon. It wasn’t until the colored iMacs, OS X and the iPod that being a Macuser became something fashionable. OS 9 really was rubbish, though.
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I just took the plunge on a new iMac last week – lifetime PC user, apart from my laptop. The whole dispute is so silly – as a consumer, OSX and Windows seem virtually identical, just organized somewhat differently.
From the front, sure. Windows Vista basically grabbed OSX’s look and feel. But from the back end, OSX is considerably more stable, and has a BSD base, instead of DOS.
Besides – nobody writes viruses for Macs. :-)
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Windows hasn’t had a DOS base since NT.
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Not a Windows geek, but the commands in the command line window sure look a lot like DOS to me. :-p
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Yeah but that’s a virtual DOS, the OS isn’t running on it. Bollocks on OSX more stable than Windows 7.
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by zephyr on Dec 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the jury’s still out on this. Let’s wait until we’ve had a year of Snow Leopard and 7 under our belts.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They are both really stable. Any instabilities people face will be from crap software or crap hardware. (On both sides)
Apple gets the advantage with this because they only install on their own approved hardware.
I’ve been using Win7 beta for about 7 months now and have no problems. I run a mac for all my music producing though.
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The viruses thing (along with the purdy hardware) is the reason for the switch. Hopefully they’ll continue not writing them.
The positives of having lower market share, I guess.
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That’s it basically. But security through obscurity is BS.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Heh, the iPhone is one thing where I’m not in the Apple camp. I’m hoping to get an Android phone, but I still have a while on my contract so the point is mute moot.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
No argument here on OS9. We went straight from 8.6 to 10. I still remember how surprised I was using OSX for the first time (in a good way).
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I suppose it’s a testament to the usability & capability of Windows in general if you’re a successful web designer. I’ll still never use it, but if it lets you achieve what you need to get done, that’s the definition of utility.
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Kind words from Seau regarding Ovechkin. If only he could remember the guy’s name.
The reason why the Capitals are doing so well is basically because the guy puts it in perspective. He’s not bigger than anybody on that team, and he cares for the players in that locker room, which I got to see firsthand.
This surprises me beacuse last I heard Ovie was dirty, selfish, and disrespected his opponents and teammates. Strange.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:37 AM EST reply actions
Yea! And he elbowed Backstrom in the face!
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
In the PIT opinion piece, Mark Eaton praised Ovie as well
by red army line on Dec 3, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
James van Riemsdyk’s four goals and nine points in 12 games earned him Rookie of the Month honors for November, because apparently that’s more impressive than Semyon Varlamov’s 5-1-2/1.85/.936 month…
That’s because goaltending is a weakness for the Caps…. duh!
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
It’s actually because any idiot could put up those kinds of numbers behind the stellar defensive core that the Caps have assembled and because the Caps play Boudreau’s defense-first trapping system.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
They do have two defensemen in the running for the Rod Langway Award!
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
Comcast to buy NBC
If this gets approved, Bettman looks like a genius for signing with Versus.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions
I’ll see your link and raise you a FanShot.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
[i]“NHL disciplinarian Colin Campbell didn’t find it difficult to suspend [Alex] Ovechkin” [s]with the Caps facing his son’s team next with the Caps not scheduled to be on national television any time soon[/s]. [NHL.com][/i]
…wait, and Campbell didn’t recuse himself from the deliberations?! That ain’t right…
Maybe our signs should read “Hey, Colin – Good job protecting your baby boy from big, mean AO.”
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Yeah, seriously. I know you’re not one for conspiracy theories, and in this case, neither am I, but dang, Colin – could you possibly make the NHL look worse???
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It just looks bad for Campbell to suspend the best player in the NHL for a game when that player would be facing Campbell’s son’s team, is all. It looks biased, whether it actually is or not. I tend to think it isn’t – at least, I hope not – but the perception of the NHL is that they “don’t suspend superstars,” so when Campbell gets the chance to suspend Ovechkin, he jumps all over it. Never mind that Ovechkin is about to play Campbell’s son’s team.
Because of the perception of bias, Campbell should not have made that decision. He should have stepped out of it.
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I dunno, what was he gonna do? Wait another week to make a decision on Ovechkin to avoid looking like he was biased? For once I actually think Campbell did the right thing here.
No, he should have stepped aside and had one of the underlings make the review and call for the suspension.
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Maybe he didn’t see it as a conflict of interests because you’d have to be trying real hard to make it one.
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No. He steps out of all decisions that could tangentially affect the Panthers. Last year he wouldn’t even make the rulings regarding players on teams that were competing with FLA for a playoff spot. Suspending the MVP right before they played FLA should have been done by someone else, even if it’s the right call.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even know where to start with this argument…other than to say that’s complete and total crap. If it happened against the Panthers I might give it to you…but c’mon really? Any time a player gets suspended and is scheudled to play the Panthers CC should bow out? That’s just nonsense.
Its likely more tongue ’n cheek that you are taking it as.
That said, Campbell having a son in the league is an inherent conflict of interest.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
by Sct112 on Dec 3, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And it’s not nonsense, especially considering the course of dealing established.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure most NHL fans don’t know that Campbell’s son plays for Florida. I also think that among NHL fans that do know that fact, they would consider not suspending AO far more biased in favor of superstars than suspending him being biased in favor of his son.
There are a ton of reasons to criticize Colin Campbell. You don’t need to reach for something like this if you want to rip him.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 3, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nowhere did I say it was deliberate, calculated, or anything else.
I only said it LOOKS BAD. Perception != reality, 90% of the time, but perceptions should still be managed.
After all, people “perceive” that Ovechkin is a dirty rat, but we all know he isn’t, right?
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I will also point out that JP was the one who brought up (see above) the fact that we’re playing Campbell’s son’s team tonight, not me. I was just commenting on it. :-)
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If memory serves, Campbell’s kid got hit pretty hard in the 11/7 game here, and nobody got suspended for it. Let’s not take the “perception” argument and make this leap with it.
As to J.P.‘s bringing it up, I’m taking it for the humor that it was (presumably) intended.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Bingo. It was just a little note of snark.
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His kid took a bad Pothier slapshot bad bounce to the face. I think he’s healed up now, but he was wearing a face shield in practice for a while.
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I’d also like to note after he got knocked out of the game, big mean dirty self-absorbed Ovie, who was in the press box, went down the the Florida locker room to see if Little Campbell was ok.
That’s unpossible. He has no respect for other players whatsoever.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 3, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. So he just likes sitting outside the other team’s locker room in a towel waiting for news, huh?
Then again, Ovechkin does seem to like walking around in a towel…
</amused sarcasm>
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That’s more than Dustin Brown likes to walk around in.
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There’s hilarious video evidence somewhere.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
I know. I was shocked that there was a naked man in a NHL locker room. Wasn’t sure how to handle it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
One with his hog on TV, though.
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No. Why the hell else would it be remarkable?
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
TVs fault. It pisses me off when the media’s entitlement attitude encroaches. Awwww, you don’t like exposed hog? Don’t go in the locker room. If women don’t want to see hog, then don’t be in the locker room post game. Don’t want hog on TV? Don’t send the cameras in until well after the game. Stupid.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
My whole take on it is that we Americans are too uptight about the whole “hog” thing anyway. Nudity is not that big of a deal in Europe. Americans are collectively a bunch of prudes. :-p
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Agreed
Not even just Europe, but Canadians are much more comfortable with it too. Stupid Puritans.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I used it because he used it. I have no problem using other words but I’m sensitive that there are several folks around here that like clean language.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Like PENIS?
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
My eyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what you get for having onions in your sig
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Ha
It’s just temporary. I provoke enough on my own, didn’t need a provocative sig. When I find something else I’ll use that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Penis is boring. Let’s spice it up!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
I generally try to keep spices away from my hog.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to make sense to keep spices away from your shampoo, but my wife is always buying stuff with all kinds of crazy shit in it. Sage, oregano, all that kind of thing.
Crazy, huh?
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Women. I just need soap in my shampoo. I don’t need to smell like a bakery after I shower.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
I don’t even know what I use. I actually probably don’t use that because it would mean that I bought it. I use what’s in my shower, which is whatever my lady bought. So I smell like a bakery.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t need to smell like a bakery
Brooks Laich smells like freshly baked cookies.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the update from a few days after that game:
http://panthers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=505565
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I think Campbell’s son got hit pretty hard by a puck in the mouth. Not suspendable in the current NHL as far as I know.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, the puck was banned forever and has never been used since.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Then he went to Indonesia and chopped down the rubber tree from which it sprang.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
And razed the Czech plant where it was manufactured.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I actually couldn’t remember and didn’t want to dig them out. I just remember when I was a kid they all said Czechoslovakia.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Czechoslovakian pucks were always the best. I’’ve never seen one with anything more than a few superficial cuts. The Canadian pucks were good too, but they would lose chunks of rubber from time to time. China pucks, OTOH, would fly to pieces during play (sometimes quite literally.)
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Actually, I made one comment about his sarcastic comment. Then a bunch of people replied to me. One asked for clarification; I clarified.
I am entitled to my opinion.
That opinion is that Colin Campbell should have recused himself from the decision. He has done so earlier this season for something affecting his son’s team. He should have done it for this. He didn’t.
And that’s all I’m saying about it. If y’all want to turn one comment into a discussion, have at. But I will not be flamed for stating my opinion.
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But I will not be flamed for stating my opinion.
I didn’t think you were getting flamed, but those kinds of opinions lead to “The Pens get all the calls and we get nothing!” “The league markets Cindy and not Ovie!”, etc., etc. Asking someone to recuse himself from making a decision about an incident in a game that he had no vested interest in in silly. If you want to point out (as Gouldie has below) what the league was thinking in appointing him to that role, or his overall effectiveness in said role, I’m with you. This? Not so much.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
It doesn’t matter that AO didn’t throw the hit against FLA. You can’t say he doesn’t have a vested interest in it. His son plays for a division rival! IMO Campbell should never rule on any suspensions for any player in the SE. And really should be extremely cautious about any EC player. It’s not a big issue now because we all agree AO should have been suspended, and this is the first game after the hit. But how would you feel if AO mysteriously got 4 games and the 4th game was against FLA? That would have a strong appearance of impropriety and the NHL doesn’t need that.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
It all comes back to what I’ve been saying about the need to manage the perceptions. Perceptions are very, VERY seldom the actual reality – look at the stuff about McCreary – but still. The perception is that the NHL is biased, that they do not suspend superstars… if Campbell does not suspend the next superstar to do something like what Evgeni Malkin did last year in the playoffs (instigator in the last 5 minutes, I think?), then it will be perceived that he’s making a skapegoat out of Ovechkin for this, and it will increase the “Ovi is a dirty rotten skunk” perception that is held among other fan bases in the NHL. The NHL needs to manage perceptions better.
A good place to start would be to publish the suspension criteria, which, because of the level of secrecy involved, have become a joke among fans. That Down Goes Brown super secret suspension chart is some funny, but still… it would be good to know what goes through their minds when they discuss suspending Player A for Act A, vs. not suspending Player B for Act B.
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I’d prefer a press release with ever suspension, explaining the factors. Basically, the common law approach. Let the collected body of rulings become the law.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
You would
And I like that take too. Actions speak louder than words, or something.
(OT, but I don’t think you swim in the OT Hockey thread so I’m asking you here. What are the laws regarding uploading game footage to YouTube? Seems like that’s fair use to me but IIRC that’s in or around your wheelhouse. Rink Rats aren’t opening themselves up to liability if we upload TV footage, are we?)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
I swim OT rarely.
[this is not legal advice]
I could tell you about the laws, but in the copyright context they end up mattering much less than what folks are willing to do to enforce them. So I’ll stick with that.
Basically, I really doubt the NHL will start going after individuals. They might get pissed off at all their content up on YouTube one day, and try to get it taken down, but the odds of them going after individual folks seems low.
But really, follow your conscience. If you upload an entire game, that’s probably not OK. Anything that costs the league money is probably not OK. On the other hand, if you’re a fan of Ovechkin and post a great goal, the league has so far treated that as fine. I don’t predict that’ll change, but you never know…
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet. Basically what I’m getting at is whether or not I, or anyone else, is going to be in trouble if I start doing my film breakdowns with non-highlight clips. Obviously I wouldn’t do a whole game, but for my PP and PK breakdowns I’m going to use full PK and PP attempts, which are more substantial than a mere goal highlight. Considering a) it’s a short part of the game and b) I’m using it to highlight a point and modifying it in part (arguably with the MS Paint stuff) I feel like I’m in the fair use realm. But I don’t practice this stuff.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve got the basic idea of how I’m doing the next one. I just need to take the time to film the stuff I want, upload it, and then do the breakdown stuff. I’m technically in finals so I should probably spend more time with my books, but you’ve seen how that’s worked today.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Email the address in my profile and we’ll see if we can work something out. You definitely can be of assistance but I don’t want to be a burden.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Fair use is tricky. But you are likely to get a “stop that” from the powers that be before anyone actually comes after you. And if you do get an official “stop that,” I’d recommend stopping. But until then…
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Dunno about press releases, but I remember seeing a quote from Colie on it. But a little transparency would be nice.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
I’d go a step further and say they should issue more press releases even when there isn’t a suspension. They do this for some of the high profile calls like the Richards hit, but I think they could do more to highlight why they don’t suspend players as well as why they do suspend them. Help build up the common law.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 3, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
They should also do an Official Review segment on NHLN like the NFL does. Explain why certain calls were called they way they were and how the league wants them called. And god forbid, maybe admit a ref got it wrong on occasion.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it does, because if someone knocks Greg and has to sit for it, the first thing that’ll be said is preferential treatment from the father, etc., so that’s going to impact two entitles, not one.
We were bound to get to this point and hopefully Shanny resolves some of these apprehensions, but to make this grand leap only serves to feed into this “us vs. the league” mentality that’s inexplicably part of the newer fanbase.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Alex sitting out ain’t gonna help the Panthers much.
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I agree. You’re entitled to your opinion, and fwiw I agree with it. Campbell should have recused himself. I don’t think he should even hold the position he has, but that’s another issued.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
wait, and Campbell didn’t recuse himself from the deliberations?!
It’s not just this game where there could be a conflict. What if some player lays out his kid with a questionable hit and then five games later does it again to another player? How can anybody be sure that there won’t be a bias in his decision at a later date. It’s a joke that he’s allowed to hold that position with a kid playing in the league.
In all seriousness, the NHL couldn’t find a head of discipline that doesn’t have a kid playing in the league? I don’t have a problem with Campbell on this day, but I do have a problem with the league for putting Campbell in this position.
With 30 teams, 2 of them playing in every game, you have to figure the Panthers are involved in at least 1/15 of his discipline decisions. He’s already had to recuse himself for the Richards-on-Booth hit (in my mind, the most important discipline decision this year and the one people around the league keep talking about). And it’s not hard to find ways that many more of his decisions indirectly affect the Panthers — today it’s just a little more obvious.
I’m sure the NHL could have found someone else who was qualified and who didn’t have an obvious current bias in favor of one organization.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In matters of discipline, every league has to have the appearance that their decisions are above reproach. Do I think Campbell made the wrong decision on Ovechkin or that it was a biased decision? No. Do I think his other decisions have been biased because of his son? No again. But as G.O.D. pointed out, the NHL probably has a couple dozen qualified people already on the payroll that could handle discipline issues who don’t have an inherent conflict in place. Why pick the guy that does?
by b.orr4 on Dec 3, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Because he’s the guy that has made all of these decisions before and it would look strange if he weren’t making the call on the Ovechkin incident as well?
Right — we’re asking why he was made the guy who makes the decisions at all. Back when he was hired to do that job. Why not pick someone whose kid isn’t a current player?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he was even in major juniors at that point, if memory serves.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Yeah, Colin Campbell has been with the NHL for a long time. Well before his son started playing in the league. It was fine to put him as head of discipline initially, but now his son is a regular in the league and probably will be for a while. Potential conflicts are going to continue to arise and each time these kind of questions will come up.
Brendan Shanahan has found a job.
The recently retired NHL star will officially be hired by the NHL today.
Sources say the announcement is expected to come on NHL commissioner Gary Bettman’s weekly radio show this afternoon.
Shanahan’s title will be Vice President, Hockey and Business Development. He is expected to work both with Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly in the NHL’s New York office, although he’s also likely to be involved with executive vice president Colie Campbell’s Toronto-based hockey operations department.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard some speculation that he’s going to be a big part of the next CBA discussions, because he’s a guy thats respected by both sides.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you and G.O.D., but I’d point out that I think Campbell had this job before his son made the NHL. Maybe the NHL could have seen it coming, or replaced him when it happened, but those are separate issues. He’s had this job for a while now and his son is relatively new to the NHL.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, the NHL and foresight aren’t together in the same sentence a lot.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Not without some sort of modifier like “lack of.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll definitely amend to saying they should have reassigned Campbell to a different position
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Same here. Only temporary though as I’m fond of my old sig.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Hooray!!!
Just found out i’m going to the game tonight!!! Section 112! Wife got tix from work!!!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions
Probably not gonna have time. Gotta run home from Suitland at 330, grab the wife, drive all the way back to get the Metro.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Suitland? Now what would you be doing down here in these parts? You wouldn’t happen to be at the Census now would you?
Washington National Records Centre. Same complex.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
That is the best section in the arena.
Welcome aboard!
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
As far as JVR vs. Varlamov goes, is Varlamov really a rookie? Tough to make that big a splash in the playoffs and still be seen as a newcomer the next season.
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He’s Calder-eligible, so yes, he is really a rookie.
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If my memory serves me correctly, didn’t Dryden win the Calder after winning the Cup?
Its not a situation like Makarov, who won it when he was 31.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wow…I was looking at the winners of the trophy, and I didn’t realize that Evgeni Nabokov is going to be 35 next year.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
That I can wrap my head around better, because I feel like i’ve been watching the guy for a thousand years. I guess because I don’t see Nabokov too often I have this impression in my head that he’s still a guy in his late 20s. Hell…he was already 25 when he won the Calder.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Regular season games are the only thing that counts and before this year he had only played six regular season games. And while we’re on the topic, at 14-1 to start his career, anybody know what goalies, if any, have had a better start to their career?
I’d be curious, too, but I can’t get away from the “the only thing that matters is the playoffs” mindset.
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Ted says:
I believe Alex is so smart and so intuitive that he will measure and modify – in his own way – his game to become even more valuable to our team and franchise as he matures.
Exactly what you want to happen. Let’s hope this is how it turns out.
Maybe over time. But I wouldn’t want to be a Lightning player on AO’s first shift Monday night. I’m guessing he comes out like a man possessed just to shove it in the faces of the haters.
How do you top putting an opponent through the glass on your first NHL shift? After that, it’s kinda all downhill.
If you've read this far...seek help.
Hole in one on your first round of golf?
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Scoring more goals in a season than any left wing ever?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Offering the reporter lady chips during the skils competition?
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I actually have a fraternity brother that did that. 3rd hole in his first round of golf. Fucker!
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
Free Alex, Round 1
(Heads up – all below are PDFs)
Three options from xiix:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220560/Free_Alex_2a.pdf
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220549/Free_Alex_1a.pdf
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220550/Free_Alex_3a.pdf
And one from gotsparkly:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220551/freealex.pdf
Do those work for people?
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Definitely my fave so far, though 2a will suck less of your print cartridge up.
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I love them, but why not put the backwards R on the signs for tonight, just like in people’s sig files?
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Another:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220569/Free_Alex.jpg
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Caveat: Might print wonky. May want to ask the original author to make it 300 dpi for print resolution.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
It makes my eyes bleed, though.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
gotsparkly or anyone else who watched the Panthers vs Avs last night. How did Jeff Taffe look to you?
A man gotta have a code
Looked very stretchy out there. Almost like he was being pulled.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Actual picture...
of Taffe after the game:
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
So what do we think?
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220585/Free_Alex_2b.pdf
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/220586/Free_Alex_1b.pdf
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2B is going to be more polite to the ink cartridge…
Do you have a font like Arial Black? It has a stronger “R”…
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You did not just ask a designer to use Arial Black, did you?
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
My baby at home is crying relentlessly, and he doesn’t even know why. I hope you’re happy with the sorrow you’ve wrought upon us all today.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
Whatever, dude.
I see nothing wrong with using a simple block font for a simple message. Sorry you’re all bent out of shape over it.
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Arial is a bastard Microsoft font.
Go fire up the movie “Helvetica” and get on with your bad self. :)
I'm trying to work out a deal with a club in Europe
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It’s actually Arial African-American.
We are in a post-Obama world people…let’s try to be sensitive.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
In your PC world, does that mean Grotesk is now Not Very Comely?
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
I never thought Grotesk was good at all, even in his halcyon days in Buffalo.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
question for the designer Rinkers
i’m designing a pretty simple business card for my friend (only graphic will be a curvy “S” and the rest is minimal contact info) and am wondering if Adobe Illustrator will be sufficient for this? or should I use InDesign?
also, I have the “S” hand drawn and scanned but can’t find a way to smooth out the outline of the S so it doesn’t look sketched. Is there any easy way to draw/manipulate the S via Adobe? (i don’t have a wacom tablet)
by ns on Dec 3, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Illustrator will suffice. When delivering artwork to print, include the fonts or convert all type to outlines. Mind your gutters & trim/crop marks.
Either redraw the scanned “S” in Illustrator or Object > Live Trace if your version of AI supports it. It won’t vectorize precisely, so tweaking will be necessary, but it might get you 80% there.
JMHO.
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
thanks! will check it out when i get back home this evening.
by ns on Dec 3, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been known to zoom in really tight and do re-draws pixel-by-pixel, but I wouldn’t call that “easy”… ;-) More a big hairy pain in the tuchas.
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would that create a smooth line? is there a way to convert an already pixelated lines to a smooth one without redrawing in within the program? (i guess vectorize it – is that the right terminology?)
by ns on Dec 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Livetrace is the easy, if imperfect, way to vectorize. Manually tracing it with the anchor tool is the way to go if you have the ability and/or time to spend on it.
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giggity. hopefully my (older) version of Illustrator has this.
by ns on Dec 3, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
My Resume
Is in wing dings. Why can’t I get a job?
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Try Zapf Dingbats
Works every time.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Is it silly that some of you/us are going to be sporting the signs even though you/we kinda agree that he maybe deserved the suspension?
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by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No. We’re past that – what’s done is done (and probably done right). Now we’re supporting our guy wholeheartedly.
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Because with all the haters hating, it’s time for the fan base to move on and show support.
I’ll make a “Free Schultz” sign for you to carry.
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Mock tribal ritual ain’t my thing, I guess.
How about “If Manitoba lost its Winkler, would it notice?” Or “If you have Mike Green’s focus, please return it.”
Yes, we need more negative signs.
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Or “JOHN (ERSKINE) 3:16”
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If someone has a JPEG of a sunshine-farting unicorn
Please share.
I'm trying to work out a deal with a club in Europe
Sorry rainbows were the best google could do
by renstar on Dec 3, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’d be concerned for Ontario if it lost its Wawa
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Or Saskatchewan its Wawota?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I’d be concerned if College Park lost its Wawa… wait.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Never happen. That place is INSANITY 24/7.
Coincidentally, I once saw Maryland Women’s Basketball Legend Shay Doron drive out of there on a little 50CC scooter thing with no helmet and a coffee.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I lived in Baltimore hall above two woman’s basketball players and they both had scooters. Must be a woman’s bball thing.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I was a filthy commuter, but I got there early enough every day when the only people stirring were the athletes. Used to see the football players hitching a ride to breakfast in the back of a pickup truck on my way to Susquehanna Hall for English class (which I had to walk to from Lot 9, thanks to CP’s wonderful parking lot system).
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, a lot of the athletes live around south campus, especially in the Commons. I saw Mike Jones (who?) a couple times just hanging out talking on his phone right outside by building.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I had a lot of classes with athletes, particularly the American Studies classes (since I was a major). Most of them were pretty nice. The only ones that were really exceptional to me were Obi Egekeze, who was awesome, and this 6 foot 5 female volleyball player I sat next to in my geography class. She was HOT.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not gonna lie, I had to look up Obi Egekeze. Now that I see he’s a place kicker, I don’t feel bad that I couldn’t remember. Sounds like we went to UMD around the same time though.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
August 04 through December 06. I had a class with a ton of football players, like Maryland Legend Joel Statham, and Dan Melendez.
Will Bowers was also in that class with me and the 6 foot 5 female volley ball player. I always thought those two should have hooked up and had giant babies.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
like Maryland Legend Joel Statham
Now that is good comedy, sir.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
He wasn’t as big a disaster as Jeremy Ricker was, but I felt kinda bad for him since he became the whipping boy for the team’s struggles (before Jordan Steffy took that role).
Plus, he was part of the second greatest Maryland football highlight during my time there
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
No shit! I liked it there. Doc Kelly was awesome, as was Doc Mintz. Had no use for most of the grad student teachers, particularly Lehnguth.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm I’m having trouble remembering my profs’ names, but those don’t ring a bell. I remember a cooky old white dude who was completely obsessed with the revitalization of Silver Spring.
When did you graduate? ’05 here.
December 06. We probably ran into each other at some point.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Before he was arrrested for exercising his 2nd amendment rights, Lonny Baxter was in a statistics class with me.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I got all the crappy basketball years, with Nik-Caner Medley’s DT’s and NITs.
I’m the worst jinx ever. The two and a half I went there, the football team missed bowls, and the basketball team either didn’t make the tourney, or went to the NIT
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Same here, man. Missed out on the good times by a year or so.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
My first year was Vanderlinden’s first year. I remember how hopeful we were at the start of the season and how quickly it faded.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 3, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I had no idea there were so many (fairly) recent grads here. I thought I was a youngin’.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
My first year was Vanderlinden’s last, so I had the pleasure of enjoying Fridge win with his kids. We went to the Final Four for the first time my freshman year, National Title & Orange Bowl sophomore year (went to both), Jr. year was Peach Bowl and Sweet Sixteen and then Gator Bowl and ACC Tourney winner my Sr. year. I had 4 insanely awesome years at Maryland
For the record, I’m currently exercising my 3rd amendment rights. Although Cluster and any other service members are welcome to drop by anytime.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
No quarter . . . except for the vending machine.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 3, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I feel old now. The Wawa went in my final semester at UMD. I guess you guys probably don’t remember Planet X either.
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I think I was a junior when it went. Restaurants turn over at such a ridiculous rate in CP.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think I was a junior when it went.Restaurantssandwich shops turn over at such a ridiculous rate in CP.
Fixed.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Nah. It’s all of em. That one triangular building across from Lupo’s Thirsty Turtle had like four restaurants in it while I was there.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Smoothie King will never close! (i’m assuming its still there)
by ns on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Hell will freeze over before the Cluck-U does, although it lost most of its soul when Lee Majors, aka the Guy Who Works At Cluck U And Looks Just Like Tupac left
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Damn. I never knew Tu Pac left Cluck U. Dude was a local celebrity.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Last I saw/read he had left there. I’ll try to dig it up on ye olde google.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was two or three years out when it went. Of course, I ran with the Maryland LARP crew at the time, so we probably ran in completely different circles.
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Heh, I have no idea what LARP is so probably.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Live action role playing
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ah ok. Nope, can’t say I ran in that Nylander.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
"Because it's funny" is good enough for me...
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 8 recs
#needsfriendlierprinterink
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Is it silly? No, it’s hilarious.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
I guess “Free Alex” has a better ring to it than “You’re Right Colin, Alex Deserved a Two Game Suspension and We Hope He’s Less Reckless Moving Forward.”
Somebody should print one of those off as a goof.
My ability to post is only surpassed by my ability to pinch pennies.
COLIN WAS ЯIGHT
ALEX IS ЯECKLESS
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
ЯIDICULOUS! ЯEPUGNANT! ЯELEASE ЯEBELLIOUS ЯUSSIAN ЯAMMER!
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
2b or not 2b, that was the question…
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by J.P. on Dec 3, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I always look at that line from Hamlet and want to answer:
“Be. Death sucks. Next question please”
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Alas, poor Theodore. I knew him well.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Alas, poor Theodore. I knew himwellHoratio.
/pedant
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 3, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Uhh breaking news?
Tarik reports via twitter that Jay Beagle has been assigned to Hershey.
Didn’t we hear this yesterday?
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I sure did.
By the by, Corey says that ShaMo is skating this morning after taking a few days off.
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Yesterday, Doug Yingst invoked “No Backsies”, so Beagle stayed up with the Caps.
This morning, McPhee said “Sudo Assign Beagle to Hershey.” So it actually happened this time.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
wow a Unix reference. I don’t know whether to be proud or embarrassed that I recognized that since I am not in IT.
by Gin and Tonic on Dec 3, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Damn
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
by Sct112 on Dec 3, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
IF
varly.startinggoaltender.caps = true;
AND
ballard.hasstick.panthers = true;
AND
ovechkin.playing.caps = false;
THEN
ballard [trunc varly];
I really hope Erskine is playing tonight, because Ballard may require curbstomping if he gets too close to Varly.
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Did you see what Foote did to Ballard? I’m not sure I totally approve of the ultra-violence, but if I were Anderson, at least I’d know someone had my back. Likewise for Stewart on Allen after Allen went after Duchene (I’m still not totally a fan of the whole retribution after a clean hit thing, though).
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
I’m with you. I commented on the Stewart one last night in the OT thread. I’m not in favor of what Foote did. He basically was the guy that threw Ballard off balance and into Anderson. Then you get to take some cheap punches to his head when he can’t defend himself. Fuck that. I know you’re old and slow Adam Foote, but you don’t get to just take advantage of guys when they are down. Why was he even out 4 on 4? Also, Anderson was set up outside the crease. Either the crease means something, or we just get rid of it. Stupid.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Either the crease means something, or we just get rid of it. Stupid.
I don’t think the crease means jack anymore. Players skate into it hacking and slashing at goaltenders with no consequence. It seems like running the goaltender is becoming a trend, just like the head shots.
And what Foote did, it was exactly what D’ohboy alluded to: he was sticking up for Anderson, because Anderson has been run over just about every game (and yes, this does speak to the defensive problems of the Avs, but that is another ugly story).
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
I understand Foote was sticking up for Anderson. But how about not letting the dude run your goalie in the first place? Both Foote and Anderson were somewhat responsible for that hit, and Ballard was just making a hockey play. It’s unfortunate (I like Anderson, and really want him hot when the Olympics come around) but I don’t see how the repeated gloved face punches were justified.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair
Foote’s not the most fleet of . . . foot . . . anymore. And Ballard had about 150 . . . feet to wind up. He was flying.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
He was flying. I agree. I noted Foote’s foot-speed in one of these other responses. But don’t you think it’s silly how often D put their own goalie in danger and then feel like that gives them a right to retribution? How often do you see D x-checking the forwards into their own goalie? Or taking a guy off balance as he’s charging the net at your goalie. You know how that is going to turn out. But you still think you get to exact revenge? Stupid.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It’s the hockey equivalent of tackling a guy from behind, thereby giving him just enough forward momentum to get the first down. It’s dumb.
The only argument I can see is that they wouldn’t have needed to plow the guy into the goalie if he weren’t already standing in the crease.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
True. Which goes back to the NHL clarifying and enforcing logical crease rules.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
because Anderson has been run over just about every game (and yes, this does speak to the defensive problems of the Avs, but that is another ugly story).
This was in my original post. Not only is Foote not very fast, neither is Clark, and Clark is the one who let Ballard bet him.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
Again, to be fair, even Kyle Cumiskey would have had difficulty stopping Ballard in that case. The guy had a running (skating?) start from behind his own blueline. He was flying. The D were caught flat-footed as much as anything.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
In a different context
Would you want someone going after the guy if it were Varly? (Again, I’m not saying I approve of what Foote did.) I also think Ballard could have made a little more effort to avoid hitting Anderson with his upper-body. I don’t that necessarily justifies Foote’s behavior though. Still, if I were the goalie, I’d probably like to see some retribution, if only to deter future crease-crashing.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
To clarify
My opinion of what Foote did: the punches against a prone opponent – not cool. Sticking up for/defending his goalie – cool.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
I’m not entirely against you, as far as defending the goalie. But as I said before, I’d prefer our D prevent the running instead of the reactive punching. Great, you stuck up for the goalie, I’m sure he really appreciates it from the dressing room. Move your feet, get in the way, don’t let the dude nail your goalie. Of course, it’s Adam Foote so moving the feet and getting in the way weren’t much of an option. I just don’t see how you get to take it out on someone else when you were the one that fucked up in the first place. [Cue Ballard joke.] I don’t see what Ballard did to Anderson as being on the same level of what Scott Hartnell or Corey Perry do. They deserve face punches. Ballard didn’t.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the face punching was way over the top. Maybe a face wash, some shoves. To me, it just looked like Foote freaking lost it.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Yeah. And I can’t get over the fact that Anderson was well out of the crease. If he’s in the blue paint Ballard misses him completely.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I was just going to say this
that I would hope the Caps players would go after anybody running over Varly – just not the way Foote did.
The starting goaltender is the foundation of the team. Look what happened to Miller last year and how it affected Buffalo. Guys need to take care of their netminder.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
Guys need to take care of everyone. But I don’t expect every guy who hits Mike Green to be jumped on the spot. If it’s dirty, fine. I just don’t think that’s what Ballard did.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Colorado’s situation is a little different than ours. They’ve played 36 games and Anderson has played in 36. They’re screwed without him, since their backup is as reliable as a Yugo.
To put it in perspective, imagine that we had Varly in goal, and the only backup available was Bacashihua. I think we’d be a little more lenient about extremism in the defense of liberty goaltenders.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Well our situation is different for several reasons. First, I’d be happy to see any goalie protection. If it was over the line, then we can start talking about scaling back, but we don’t have any thing that qualifies as goalie protection, or star protection for that matter, on this team. So a little Adam Foote bat-shit crazy response wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. And to be clear, I’m not calling for Foote’s head here. I understand why he did it, I just don’t agree with it. And in the big picture a lot of the blame is on the NHL for not getting the rules right regarding goalie contact. If they straightened that out a lot of this would go away.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I actually don’t have a problem with the rulebook’s take on goaltender interference… it seems fairly straightforward to me.
69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper – This rule is based on the premise
that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
The rule will be enforced exclusively in accordance with the on-ice judgement of the Referee(s), and not by means of video replay or review.
For purposes of this rule, "contact," whether incidental or ptherwise, shall mean any contact that is made between or among a goalkeeper and attacking player(s), whether by means of a stick or any part of the body.
The overriding rationale of this rule is that a goalkeeper should have the ability to move freely within his goal crease without being hindered by the actions of an attacking player. If an attacking player enters the goal crease and, by his actions, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to defend his goal, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
That said, I have seen several incidents that I would have called goaltender interference on that the referees did not… they are supposed to be calling it more evenly this season, but, like everything else, getting that to actually happen is going to take some time.
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Those rules are fine
But with the NHL there is almost not point at actually looking at the rule book. Have you been paying attention to how it is enforced?
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Exhibit A
Patrick Thoreson vs Cristobal Huet
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Exhibit B
Viktor Kozlov vs. Martin Biron
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 4, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Exhibit C
Corey Perry vs. Anyone
(just to avoid looking too bitter about that series)
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 4, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Oops. Should have written 34. Budaj’s made two starts and has a GAA over 4. Yipes.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
I havn’t seen a replay yet gut last night it looked like Foote’s out of position and in trying to make up for that he knocked Ballard off balance. If Foote is a step quicker then he checks Ballard off the play. If he is a step slower then Ballard has a shot on goal and they continue on behind the net. Foote should be beating himself up not beating on Ballard. hitting on a player while he’s down in that context is just wrong IMO.
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
Yeah that’s basically what happened. Or if Anderson is back in the crease Ballard goes flying past the post and misses him.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
“Hey there Keith. Lookin’ pretty hot tonight. Wanna come back to my place and take a few swings at my noodle with an Easton Stealth?”
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In reply to:
hitting on a player while he’s down in that context is just wrong IMO.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
D’ohboy, I’m not sure this clarification made it better.
Yeesh!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
From Corey, incidentally.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
And lost in all the Ovechkin knee on knee controversy was the great game Theo played in Carolina. I’m glad Varly plays tonight but I hope Jose doesn’t have to sit too long before his next start. Maybe against Philly?
Varly needs a chance to bounce back against them IMHO. Better he face that demon now than in April.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 3, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I see that manscaping has not yet caught on in Europe…
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TEB reports that BB said Alex will be ready to go for Monday. The Ning are now on notice.
A man gotta have a code
First the “hot stick” and now this. Tampa must love being on the receiving end of Ovechkin controversies.
They’re certainly on the receiving end of Ovechkin’s something…
Pick SPG for your chance to win probably nothing.
The “Free Alex” movement is live.
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I hope not. That jersey is literally a work of art. I’d be proud to hang it in my house (unsure on wearing it).
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
i have two quick questions that i haven’t seen mentioned / addressed here (and i surely thought someone would bring it up!)
1. Do you think the Savard signing will impact the Backstrom negotiations – positively for the Caps? I’m not talking about the potential illegality of the contract but the fact that he’s only getting $7 mil. tops (in one year) and averageing only $4 mil. So can we expect Backstrom to sign somewhere in the $4-$7 mil. range? That’s below what I was anticipating they would shell out. Does the Savard deal hurt Backstrom’s negotiating stance at all or is it moot? ……
2. Question/clarification on the Circles situation. I was under the assumption that when we put him on waivers the Caps had 30 days to “assign” him somewhere (KHL agreement or AHL) and then he’d come off the books. (emphasis on HAD TO, legally). I believe that time has passed. Does he still count against the Cap? Has he “officially” (and secretly) been assigned somewhere? Is he forever in waiver limbo land and is that possible?
I think Kane/Toews has a bigger impact than Savard.
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Yeah, and we can pay Nicky boy less since he’s obviously not as good as the former Calder trophy winner, right NHL?
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I understand the snark, but I think it’s perfectly justifiable that Kane beat out Backstrom for the Calder, given that he had more goals and points.
by David M. Getz on Dec 3, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, but not as much as my previous comment would suggest.
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One of the Versus crew summed it up well. Kane was the best at the beginning, Backstrom the best by the end, Toews will be the best. Not sure how much I agree with that third statement.
by red army line on Dec 3, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with DMG and zephyr. But… if BB had been the coach from day 1… that trophy is Nick’s.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
no matter, because I have a feeling that when all is said and done, oh 20 years from now, Nicky will have had the better career.
Better?
Maybe different. Kane’s going to put up more goals, and have more flashy plays. If Backis sticks with Ovie, he’ll likely put up more assists/points.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Savard’s age plays a key role in that deal. I don’t see it as a comparable. I wish though.
A man gotta have a code
Indeed. The key to the Savard value is the cheap years on the back end that lower the cap hit. That won’t be an option for a young stud like Lars.
Right. And of no small importance is the fact that Savard is well into his UFA years.
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I was under the assumption that when we put him on waivers the Caps had 30 days to "assign" him somewhere (KHL agreement or AHL) and then he’d come off the books.
The Caps had thirty days to assign Nylander somewhere it became necessary for him to clear waivers again before moving him. They weren’t/aren’t under any obligation to move him.
Does he still count against the Cap?
Yes.
Has he "officially" (and secretly) been assigned somewhere?
No.
Is he forever in waiver limbo land and is that possible?
He’s cleared waivers, so he’s no longer on them. For all intents and purposes he’s in the same place he was opening night.
by David M. Getz on Dec 3, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Steinz reports this from GMGM (in the comments)
GMGM: “We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon.”
D’ohboy’s new expanded sig?
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Done and Done
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
On the Ballard non-suspension
Puck Daddy hit the nail on the head with his take on the “non-suspension” of Ballard. If Ballard’s words on the matter aren’t enough to put the matter to rest, then I don’t know what else will.
Someone call a waaahmbulance for THN’s Campbell. The NHL doesn’t need to fix every single little problem that comes along and they certainly were right to not address this incident. The Panthers – and only the Panthers – have anything to say about it.
What’s next from you, Mr. Campbell? A speed-limited puck?
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He’s been warned before. Suspend him!
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
The league has to make an example of him though.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
geez….isn’t it enough that I have an avatar??
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 3, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Depends…don’t be getting into any fights without tying it down.
by red army line on Dec 3, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m with you. The NHL stepping in would be absolutely stupid.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Any word on Brads?
I had read his wife was due yesterday.
Will he be out? It’s dollar hotdog night! Priorities!
Uh-Oh A.O.
Ovi is really mad, I havn’t seen him this mad in a while, It’s too bad he can’t take his frustration out on the Flyers! Oh well, looks like we’ll have to settle for a hat trick in Tampa Bay instead…
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 3, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions
Actually, you know? Tampa Bay’s got double trouble – isn’t Knuble scheduled to come back the same night?
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I think Knuble’s two nights later vs. BUF.
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yeah your right, he’s shooting for Dec. 9
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 3, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina at Verizon Center
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 3, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Who are we playing next Friday? Thanks guys.
F to the Lagged, especially after Monday night.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 3, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering how chippy those two teams got Monday, I circled that date on the calendar as the post-game was going on. They’re getting a pre-game’s ful of profanity and belittlement from me, and I don’t sit over there.
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Oh! I thought you meant you flagged my post, and I was all “whatever for?”
As for flagging the actual game for a little special reward, hells to the yes. We should give Carolina all kinds of hell.
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But!
When they inevitably lose another guy to injury don’t boo his ass off the ice.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, if hartnell hit backstrom like that and got hurt, caps fans would boo him off the ice too. It wasn’t really a clean hit so it’s understandable why they were pissed.
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by Chaz-Capapalooza on Dec 3, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that they wouldn’t and if they did, I would be ashamed.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
What you say intrigues me. If it’s for real would a picture (of the t-shirt, not your erection) be to much to hope for?
Try this on for size.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 3, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Best. Parenthetical clarification. Ever.
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And I just realized how much I’d been sticking up for Semin
by red army line on Dec 3, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
this just in
Milbury is a hipocrite. He just came on Nhl live and said he thinks AO should been suspended for boyh the Gonchar hit and the Gleeson hit. Then turned right around and said that he got hit knee-on-knee when he played and it was his fault because HE WAS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF A HIT.
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
Milbury is an idiot – which he always has been.
Nothing new here.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
I’ve been called Master of the Obvious before. Must be a good reason there somewhere. :D
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
Isn’t Milbury the same guy who’s famous (as a player) for hitting a fan with his own shoe?
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Milbury to Islanders
I will bury you!!! (Under a load of bad contracts…)
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Also
The new thing isn’t calling him dirty or reckless it’s saying HE’S A BAD HITTER.
What? If anything, he’s a non-selective hitter. These old jerks like Potvin, Clement and Milbury need some new material, and to stop cheating off one another’s notes.
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Varly and Theo
need to invest in blockers and gloves with metal spikes ala Rollerblade and take care of a little Ballard Business themselves.
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I had a glove that I restrung with a bass string for outdoor play. Looking back I’m really glad I didn’t kill anyone with it.
TWO GAMES ЯEMAINING NOW
Electric, think it was a g-string (::yuck yuck::) from a set of bass boomers.
TWO GAMES ЯEMAINING NOW
Good choice, though the G-string from a stand-up string bass would have been considerably longer… ;-) Bass Boomers are nice strings.
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My hands aren’t quite large enough, nor my armspan wide enough to handle a full-scale neck bass; I need to find one that is shorter, about the length of a drednaught guitar, without sacrificing too much tonal quality.
I did one semester of string bass and viola at university when I was a music education major, and I play guitar; I used to play cello, but have not done so in years… far too many years, really.
My main six-string guitar is a 1980’s vintage Yamaha dreadnaught-style guitar with birds as the fret markers – I’ve never seen another one like it. I also have a Seagull 12-string.
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OT
breaking(?) news that CHI signs the troika of Kane, Toews and Keith. Anyone game for a guess at what that combined commitment per year (cap hit) is going to run?
I’ll say $17.5 million.
This should help set some market parameters for George.
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I can’t find it, but really, Brooks Orpik calling Ovie dirty? Really? REALLY? I don’t know whether to laugh or throw stuff.
There’s a link to it in Puck Daddy’s “headlines”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I went to read the article, and PD is exaggerating. All that Orpik really says is that it would be tough for anyone to throw their body around for 82 games, plus Olympics, and not be worn down come playoff time. When I read the article, I was looking for something along the lines of “If Ovi pulls that crap again, he better watch his head,” but that wasn’t the case at all.
by JimCareyFanClub on Dec 3, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. Depends what they can get back for him. It would have to be a lot.
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Frolov + Moller go go go go go go go
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I liked this meme better when it was “Trade Ovechkin to Toronto”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 3, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
The merit that there is in his argument gets washed out by his comparison to Kessel. Semin has been scoring goals and putting up points at a better pace for both their careers yet
Kessel is going to score more goals, but Semin should match, if not exceed Kessel’s overall point-production.
Semin also doesn’t deserve the offense-only label nearly as much as Kessel does.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 4, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, from the Leafs games I’ve seen this season, Kessel has been backchecking like a fiend. I’m not sure what’s gotten into him or if it’s going to last, but damn. If he had done that during the Carolina series, the Bruins probably make the CF.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Kessel isn’t a total defensive liability, but I don’t think he is as good defensively as Semin. I think it’s debatable as to whether either of those two deserve the label, but if one of them does it is Kessel.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s a fair point. Semin is defensively elite according to last years stats. Kessel is defensively good when he’s inspired, but no one is going to confuse him with a shutdown forward.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 5, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
McPhee's Comments
I was kind of surprised this isn’t being discussed a bit more here.
McPhee see things exactly as I do:
And in my mind, when there’s no intent to injure, and there is no injury, you can’t suspend the guy. And the league’s concern is that Ovi’s really been physical lately and he’s going to hurt someone. I said, ‘Well, if he hurts someone, suspend him.’ But you can’t suspend someone for something that might happen."
I was particularly distressed by hearing these comments:
Earlier in the segment, McPhee also addressed the earlier Ovechkin hit on Buffalo’s Patrick Kaleta, which had also earned him a game misconduct. This seems to be a considerably more absurd situation, with McPhee asking the league to rescind the penalty, and the league explaining that Ovechkin got the five-minute major because Kaleta was cut, regardless of what did the cutting.
“We believe it was the player’s own shield that cut him, and it was, and the league’s position was well that’s a moot point, he was hurt,” McPhee explained. “And I said, well that doesn’t make sense. If it was a legal check, who cares if he’s hurt or not? If it’s legal, then that’s gonna happen from time to time. It’s a physical sport. If it’s a clean check, if he gets hurt, we’re a contact game and players assume the risk that that might happen from time to time. So I did disagree that he should be kicked out because he was cut, because the player’s own shield cut his face from Ovi’s shoulder. It wasn’t Ovi’s arm, it wasn’t an elbow, it was a shoulder check….The problem was it’s a 237-pound guy hitting a 195-pound guy. And that’s basically what happened.”
I did see those, and I have to say, even as someone who was ok with the 2-game suspension, GMGM’s argument is pretty strong. It relies upon the perhaps false premise that there has to be intent to injure or injury to result in a suspension, but if that isn’t the rule for suspensions, it probably should be (except for things like leaving the bench, etc.).
The Kaleta stuff is kind of unreal to me. I don’t see Kaleta being cut, much less by his own equipment, as particularly relevant in determining whether to penalize/eject/suspend him. I know it’s a criteria for determining if high-sticking is a minor or double minor, but that’s also idiotic.
by grapejoos on Dec 3, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Kaleta stuff is kind of unreal to me. I don’t see Kaleta being cut, much less by his own equipment, as particularly relevant in determining whether to penalize/eject/suspend him. I know it’s a criteria for determining if high-sticking is a minor or double minor, but that’s also idiotic.
Idiotic is a good description. I’m not even sure how they don’t feel embarrassed stating what they did. It’s doesn’t even seem like a reasonable argument.
And in my mind, when there’s no intent to injure, and there is no injury, you can’t suspend the guy. And the league’s concern is that Ovi’s really been physical lately and he’s going to hurt someone. I said, ‘Well, if he hurts someone, suspend him.’ But you can’t suspend someone for something that might happen."
That doesn’t make sense to me. You suspend someone for the action, not the consequence. If someone makes the exact same play and instead of a bruise Gleason has a torn knee ligament, I don’t see how that’s any worse. The play is the play, regardless of the result.
From my perspective, saying that someone should only be punished when a reckless hit result in injury is saying that a reckless hit is only wrong when it hurts someone. To me that’s like saying it’s okay to drive drunk as long as you don’t hit anyone.
by David M. Getz on Dec 3, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would agree with that point. You do suspend the action, you penalize the action, rather than the response.
Blood from a high-stick is considered a factor in calling a double minor, because it’s an obvious injury. I don’t know why high-sticking is singled out for this, but it appears to be just about the only penalty where “is he bleeding” is a factor in whether to call the single minor or the double. Will have to ask the NHLOA about that one…
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You suspend someone for the action, not the consequence. If someone makes the exact same play and instead of a bruise Gleason has a torn knee ligament, I don’t see how that’s any worse. The play is the play, regardless of the result.
This is the exact conversation we had the day before… and my example of Cole’s action is still stands to the irrationality of your argument – you can’t reasonably suspend Erik Cole for his reckless elbow that “might have” connected with Brooks Laich’s face harder than it did (and would have injured him) because it didn’t cause an injury (even though it’s clear that was his intent) because it didn’t make full contact with Laich’s face.
Intent and consequences are more fundamental to the purpose of suspension than the actions themselves. No one gets suspended for accidentally high-sticking someone, no matter how reckless it was – but everyone who uses their hockey stick like a weapon with the intention of hitting someone in the face should be suspended (and I would argue, even if it doesn’t cause an injury – if you swing it like a baseball bat at someone, even if it doesn’t connect, they should still consider that intent as more deserving of a suspension than reckless incidental contact).
Driving drunk isn’t a good analogy – it’s not recklessness. Reckless driving (or reckless endangerment) is a more appropriate analogy – and the punishment for reckless driving is considerably less steep than that of drunk driving. I’m not saying you can’t punish someone for wreckiness, I’m saying the punishment isn’t fit to be elevated to the level of a suspension – that’s what the 5 minute major + game misconduct was about.
by Hystricine on Dec 3, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Intent versus non-intent is a different issue – clearly intentionally injuring someone (or trying to) is much worse, which is why incidents like Hunter on Turgeon, Domi on Niedermayer, and Bertuzzi on Moore receive the condemnation they do. I’m not disputing whether there’s a difference between an intentionally dangerous hit and a reckless one.
I’m totally with you in regards to play committed with malice. A play where a guy takes his stick to another guy like a baseball bat and misses should be punished equally severely as one where he makes flush contact – because the actions taken by the player are the same. I feel the same way for a clean hit – if it’s a clean hit that causes injury, well, that’s hockey; it happens. In both cases you base discipline on the action, not the consequence. Why should that change if it’s an unintentional/reckless play?
That’s essentially my point. McPhee’s logic that if Ovechkin makes that play and the result is what it is the applicable punishment one thing and if the injury to Gleason is worse, it’s another? That’s giving different penalties for literally the same play, and that doesn’t make sense to me. I want the same punishment given for the same play. I want dirty player to be punished as dirty player whether or not there’s an injury, reckless plays to be punished as reckless players whether or not there’s an injury, and clean plays to be allowed to stand as clean plays whether or not there’s an injury. I don’t think that’s irrational.
I’m not saying you can’t punish someone for wreckiness, I’m saying the punishment isn’t fit to be elevated to the level of a suspension – that’s what the 5 minute major + game misconduct was about.
I think reasonable people can disagree on that, but that’s not what McPhee was saying when he said "if he hurts someone, suspend him".
by David M. Getz on Dec 3, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
You suspend someone for the action, not the consequence.
I agree with this and it has always irritated me that this is NOT generally how the NHL rules. The most frequent and annoying example being the double-minor for drawing blood by high-sticking.
However, I’m not liking the analogies to drunk driving or speeding. Those things are illegal, so of course one should get punished whether someone got hurt or not. Furthermore in this case Ovie was punished in-game, so I guess the question is what justifies further punishment in the form of suspension? This is the point McPhee was making with regards to the Gleason hit as I see it.
But the larger issue/question I have is this: if it is a clean hit (which is arguable for the Kaleta hit), then there was no infraction in the first place, so why should there be punishment. Of course at game speed officials will sometimes make the wrong call on a hit, but from McPhee’s comments it seems like the Campbell’s argument wasn’t that it was an illegal hit, but that Kaleta got cut. Which does not make sense. Frankly, I just think that the NHL is loathe to overturn an on-ice official’s ruling, because they fell it would undermine the authority of referees.
Finally, over the past few days the meme around these parts is that Ovie is reckless with his hits and thus a suspension is warranted to send him a message to dial it back, pick his hits more carefully, etc… I would love if someone could explain in detail what makes one of Ovie’s hits reckless and another not? Can a legal check be reckless because of its force? Or are his reckless hits actually violations of the charging or boarding rules – too many steps, too fast, poor location? Is the problem Ovie’s reluctance to abort a hit where an attempt is being made to evade (i.e. the opening up his body like a net as one poster described it)? Seriously, I would appreciate some elucidation on the subject.
by darwintheboxer on Dec 3, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Can a legal check be reckless because of its force?
Richards on Booth. Not against the rules, as enforced lately. But he never should have hit that kid in the head that hard.
I would love if someone could explain in detail what makes one of Ovie’s hits reckless and another not?
On the slew foot, he was out of control as he hit, and therefore took out the guy’s legs. I think he was also out of control on the Kaleta and Gleason hits. The bottom line is that the player he was trying to hit changed his aspect (they both turned away) and Ovechkin didn’t respond appropriately. He needed to have dodged Gleason’s leg once he wasn’t going to make a clean hit. He needed to pull up some on Kaleta when Kaleta turned his back.
Hockey’s fast and Ovechkin is huge — pulling up and changing directions aren’t easy. But he didn’t appear to make the effort to either avoid or temper the impacts once the situations became potentially dangerous. That, to me, is what made them reckless.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or are his reckless hits actually violations of the charging or boarding rules – too many steps, too fast, poor location?
Yes, they are violations. The Kaleta hit deserved a boarding, IMO, but not 5 minutes. The Gonchar hit deserved a trip. The Gleason hit deserved at least a trip. The Peverly hit deserved a trip. They were all illegal, but none were dirty on their own, in that none were attempts to injure. But at some point he can’t keep dangerously tripping and/or boarding people, even if he’s not trying to hurt them.
I agree with G.O.D. also, except for the Richards part. That wasn’t reckless, he knew what he was doing. That was a targeted head shot. He wasn’t out of control, and Booth didn’t dodge. Richards got him in the crosshairs and went for the kill shot.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, we agree on the Richards hit. You described exactly what I think happened there. It was more than reckless. But I also think it’s currently legal. That’s the point I was trying to make. The rules don’t perfectly cover either recklessness or intent to injure situations.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 3, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Perfectly legal is tricky with charging. The rules, by the plain meaning of the text, could support punishment. But the way that the league has called it “two or more strides” or “left his feet first” don’t. That’s part of the problem with extremely broad rules.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
However, I’m not liking the analogies to drunk driving or speeding. Those things are illegal, so of course one should get punished whether someone got hurt or not.
Expanded, the analogy is: driving:body checking::speeding/running a red light:charging/boarding/kneeing. You’re allowed to do it, but there’s a point at which the level of danger you put others in is unacceptable.
by David M. Getz on Dec 3, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
In the interest of equal time in the eye candy department
I give you the always lovely Katarina Witt
P.S. As some of you may know, Ms Witt appeared in a noted gentleman’s magazine, but I am working under the common sense theory that such images are not kosher here at the rink.
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False.
If I could de-rec I would. So false. I don’t care how hot some of them are, you’ve clearly never had to skate on a sheet of ice after a figure skating session.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
THIS. CANNOT. BE. REC'D. ENOUGH.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Well, I wanted to post some eye candy, but I didn’t want it to be just gratuitous eye candy. So I thought originally of women hockey players, but, um…well, I ended up moving on to figure skating.
So it has a connection to the rink…and sort of to The Rink.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
I’m not knocking you. I’m knocking any sentiment that “figure skating is awesome.” Some of them may be hot, but that doens’t make their activity awesome.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
They used to be hotter, before for some reason it became a sport for undernourished children. And none hotter than Ms Witt.
Next time I’m bored and there’s been some puckbunny stuff to react to, I’ll do something gratuitous just for you.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
efore for some reason it became asportactivity/hobby for undernourished children.
Listen to Ol' Hank Murphy and eat your damn onions.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed! I have my own (very limiting) definition of what is a sport and one of them is:
Sports may be officiated, but not judged.
DC, where Hockey is a baffling ordeal.
by Chris meet Alex on Dec 4, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
even officiated sports are judged at some level.
(quite honestly, the casualness of which people arbitrarily dismiss judged sports pisses me off.)
couldn’t disagree more… judged and officiated are two totally different things in my book.
Officiated = rulebook and rules
Judged = artistic impression = subjective = popularity contest.
yes, officiating includes biases and mistakes, but in general they are attempting to eliminate them, judging is attempting differentiate BECAUSE of them.
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by Chris meet Alex on Dec 4, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
there’s no longer an “artistic impression” component to many judged sports. The rule book for diving and gymnastics (and even skating, but that’s a whole different beast) is ridiculously thick.
yes, officiating includes biases and mistakes, but in general they are attempting to eliminate them, judging is attempting differentiate BECAUSE of them.
In the NHL, if you make a “mistake” like hooking or whatever, you get a deduction, quite literally. The officials (assuming they’re not completely incompetent) remove you from the ice for a specified period of time laid out in the rule book depending of the severity of the infraction. The deduction (or penalty, if you will) in judged sports is no different. Deductions are clearly laid out and taken accordingly in regards to the severity.
I think the problem is that two people can watch the same routine and reach the opposite conclusion as to who won. You can’t both watch a hockey game and think the other team won. You can explain the rules to a casual fan and they can watch and know with certainty who the victor was. Not so in judged sports.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 4, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
So I thought originally of women hockey players, but, um
Ahh….Manon Rheaume
by mch on Dec 3, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
My high school assistant coach had a really hot daughter who played hockey. Too bad he was always in the locker room.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
True story
Top 5 most embarrassing moment in my life.
Me: [standing at a trough urinal, draining the kidneys, to the guy next to me]: “See the tits on that girl in white out there?”
Guy standing next to me: “The girl in white?”
Me: “Yeah. Think she puts out?”
GSNTM: “She’s my daughter.”
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
I have 3.
Karma is a bitch.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
by fat_daddyo on Dec 3, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m gonna rec this for honesty.
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by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m gonna rec this for consistency.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Holy SHIT that's funny!!!
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Ha. That’s awesome. And then you just stood there awkwardly draining, I assume.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing will clench up a urethra faster than wondering if you’re about to be fighting for your life, as it turns out.
I just kind of mumbled an apology, hot-footed it out to the bar, threw the barman a wad of currency (we were in Mexico) and headed for the door.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Probably for the best.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Is this related to the Brett Hull story that hasn’t been told, or am I thinking of someone else here?
"Eloquence, brought to you by a peanut butter, egg and dice sandwich."
Zephyr, IIRC.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
HA!
Jesus Christ man! There’s just some things you don’t talk about in public!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing?
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by jordanDC on Dec 3, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kelly Stephens, ftw
Better still, I used to skate with her at Highland Ice back in Washington State. And by “skate with” I mean, “she used to skate by me like a pylon.”
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
I skated with a couple girls from Dartmouth over the summer. I don’t have an opinion on their looks because I am spoken for, but I understand they were rather attractive.
Defensive sieves.
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My college club team destroyed the women’s varsity team with only 8-9 guys, all hung over or still drunk. They never played us again. And a Minnesota HS boys team beat the Team USA women’s Olympic team a few years back. I find that hysterical.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
That is hysterical. I doubt there is a woman in the world who could hang around in the NHL for longer than 15-20 games. I’m sorry.
As a skater? There isn’t a single one that could play a game. Sorry.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how much of that is because “girls don’t play hockey,” and how much will change in the next decade or two.
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I think it’s more of a biology issue. We’re generally bigger and stronger and faster. And more assholish, which sometimes helps.
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This. It’s not like Mia Hamm playing soccer. If you put them in a full contact situation it’s game over. There’s a reason the women stop playing with the men around high school. I just don’t think there are any women that could win a puck battle against an NHL player. There are plenty of women that play hockey in Canada, but you don’t see any of them playing in the CHL (as skaters, I think there has been a goalie or two) and definitely not in any pro leagues.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
even a solidly build midwestern farm girl is no match for Ovie. Or even Semin, to be quite honest. “above average” height for us girls is still “below average” for guys
Exactly. I bet you could take every woman to play Olympic hockey this year and none of them would be able to push Marty St. Louis off the puck.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
I’ve met Angela Ruggiero in person. She looked pretty strong. When I first saw her, I thought she was a shot-putter.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Really? I can’t imagine it rolls that well.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 3, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
You may be right, but you also know MSL is built like a fire hydrant. I’ve never actually skated with an Olympic quality female. I’m mostly extrapolating from my experience with an NCAA D I team. By men’s standards I’m not a very good hockey player. But I could sure light it up against D I women. I’m assuming NHL men wouldn’t be challenged by any women.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
He's 5'6" tall
with thighs that are 5’6" around.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
And stones.
I hate him. But he’s got stones.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I played against Cami Granato, one of the best woman’s hockey player ever, in a California Mens league (the B league by the way) about a year after she retired, and she wasn’t even the best player on her team. Further, she wouldn’t go into the corners or play much along the boards due to the size and strength difference between her and the guys (most of whom never played above high school).
It’s all about the strength. She was good with the puck but any part of the game that required strength (like a wrist-shot for example) was something she just couldn’t compete against even fat, old beer-leaguers.
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by Chris meet Alex on Dec 4, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
Until you throw a shoulder into her and knock her on her ass. Then she gets up and tries to put you in a rear naked choke but you just drag her around the ice.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
In theory
But this was drop-in, so I wasn’t exactly throwing elbows. She was quick and good with the puck though. Plus, she was really, really cute, so this distracted me.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Apparently you haven't seen
The younger Phaneuf brother rub the lady out on the boards in the exhibition game. He got a little rough and she didn’t like it and jumped on his back trying to choke him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a reason me and my friends refer to his older brother as “Phadouche,” and apparently the apple hasn’t fallen far from the . . . other apple.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
Exactly. It was an exhibition tune up game for Team Canada women and he rubbed her out behind the net.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. It looked more like a sloppy piggy back ride.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of digital activity…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a self-pleasure joke there somewhere.
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Self? Going digital isn’t strictly a solo activity…
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
I’m a 21st century digital boy.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 3, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
no, figure skating is awesome because it allows us to call a certain twitter’er Mr. Kristi Yamaguchi. And that’s about it.
Katarina was a Stasi agent, btw.
Everyone was a Stasi agent at some point
Even me, and I’d never even been to Germany.
"We’re still working on some things over in Europe, and we’ve been close in the last week or so. Some things get in the way, but we’re just trying to work that out, and hopefully it can be worked out soon."
by D'ohboy on Dec 3, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good call by you on keeping it SFW.
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After what happened yesterday…. highly agree.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Someone posted a NSFW image. Those of us with employers who monitor their internet usage were not pleased (i.e. me).
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 3, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
“Washington Capitals prospects Stefan Della Rovere and Cody Eakin have been invited to attend the 2010 Canadian National Junior Team Selection Camp
Is there a Cody Eakin lobby yet? I just know he’s going to be my favorite pet project in a future season.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
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Do you hate Charles from Texas as much as me? I have to change the channel whenever they take his dumbass calls.
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I missed it. Was he on again today? You called it right. So is James from Md. (OV hater)
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
Frequent caller Radim is a blind faith true believer Flyers homer as well, hate him. Stupid frequent callers.
Charles said to Bettman that “ya’lls” office has screwed up lately by not suspending Ovechkin the first three or four times he made dirty hits this year blah blah blah on and on. I just can’t stand to listen to his wandering, rambling bullshit.
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Olie Kolzig inducted to hall of fame!!
ECHL hall of fame, via NorfolkAdmirals twitter.
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Well gang,
There’s now an open thread on the Alex Ovetjkin blog for fans to write their support for Ovi.
Here’s the link:
http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/2009/12/lets-support-ovi-open-thread.html
Or you can get to it through the “Washington Hockey Daily” page or the Capitals Friendly Blog page.
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