Chewin' on Some Chimera Numbers
by J.P. on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Printchi-mer-a: (noun) a mythological, fire-breathing monster, commonly represented with a lion's head, a goat's body, and a serpent's tail. - @AndrewSharp
As the dust continues to settle on the trade that saw the Caps send Chris Clark and Milan Jurcina (and with them a small metaphorical Brink's truck worth of salary cap hit) to Columbus, let's take a closer look at what the Caps are getting in return in Jason Chimera:
Offense
Chimera's offensive totals are modest, but eight goals in 39 games with just 24 seconds of power play time per game is noteworthy (in other words, he has scored twice as many goals as Clark with half as much power play time per game). Further, he put up nearly two points per sixty minutes of five-on-five time for the Jackets this season... which was second on the team and more than Rick Nash (right in between the production rates of Brendan Morrison and Brooks Laich, locally). All this while, as Jonathan Willis notes, "he gets a lot of starts in the defensive zone, a factor which has drug down his relative Corsi number and his plus/minus." Despite limited ice time and positional quality, Chimera was third on the Jackets in shots on goal with 92 (or, as Alex Ovechkin might call it, "a few games' worth"). But before anyone gets too excited about his production, note that "he also could be maddeningly ineffective for long stretches, not making the most of his size and speed." Then again, plenty of good hockey players have looked "maddeningly ineffective" while playing for Ken Hitchcock.
Defense
Chimera was sixth among Columbus forwards in shorthanded ice time per game (1:16), but neither his 4-on-5 or his 5-on-5 GAON/60 (in line with Laich on the former and higher than any Cap who has played ten games on the latter) was particularly good. That said... neither is Steve Mason this year. A season ago, Chimera had the best GAON/60 among all of the Jackets' regular penalty killers, and had a fairly outstanding 5-on-5 GAON/60 as well.
Toughness
Surprisingly, Chimera was just tenth among Columbus forwards in hits. He has gotten in one fight this year (and one last year), has 11 minors and a couple of misconducts. He's taken 0.9 penalties per sixty minutes of 5-on-5 (and drawn 0.4), which isn't terrible considering his role. But if Chimera is indeed "a rugged forward, something [the Caps] have lacked since Donald Brashear left Washington last summer," it doesn't necessarily show up in the numbers, and that "he missed a good chunk of last season because of a groin injury and was taken from the ice on a stretcher in his first exhibition game this season after suffering a concussion" also raise some concerns.
To be clear, Jason Chimera is not "the missing piece." But he probably is the best player that was dealt yesterday and, more importantly, with the cap space that George McPhee freed up in the trade, that missing piece will be that much easier to acquire.
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a small Brink’s truck worth of cash to Columbus
Did I miss something? I don’t remember cash money being listed with this deal.
ALEX, FЯEE
No. Poorly worded on my part (and since edited).
FWIW, you can’t trade cash under the current CBA.
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To be clear, Jason Chimera is not “the missing piece.” But he probably is the best player that was dealt yesterday and, more importantly, with the cap space that George McPhee freed up in the trade, that missing piece will be that much easier to acquire.
Precisely. The most important part of this deal might not be the principals as much as the timing. First, it frees enough cap room to give the Caps the option of making another deal. And it can be made on their timetable, which looks a lot different from last year, when any deal had to be made on Michael Nylander’s timetable.
And, with the deal made now, the Caps have 20 or so games to see how the remaining pieces fit, to see how the “chemistry” works out, to see just where there are still gaps. You don’t want to be making those sorts of evaluations with little time to spare.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 29, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought “the piece” was Rob Scuderi’s gimmick? ;)
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was hopin’ we’d pick up Scuderi ever since last year’s finals when I saw that kick save he made in the crease.
And then you saw his new cap hit.
by David Getz on Dec 29, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How much does Gonchar get paid .. out of curiosity? How much did he get paid the last year he was with the caps?
He lost all his money when he got his pocket picked by Straka
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Grit and speed are always nice qualities to have; good forecheckers and penalty killers are good to have on the team.
I understand the theory of the trade. Whether it will work out or not, only time will tell.
It starts to alleviate the logjam at D. It removes an unproductive forward. It frees up cap space.
I don’t object to the trade at all and at this point.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Perfect, since Chris Clark’s a part of it and other warm-ups, apparently.
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Where’s Rec’do? Right here.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I like the description as well, because it seems to indicate that another, larger deal will be forthcoming.
The insistence that the Jackets take Clark in order to get to Juice tells me that the cap room was not a negligible consideration. Why do you want cap room? To facilitate an acquisition.
I’d guess that GM is going to go all in at the deadline. Niedermayer?
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
The jackets beat reporter sez otherwise:
The trade today adds roughly $1 million to the Blue Jackets’ payroll the rest of the season. The Blue Jackets wanted Chris Clark first and foremost, but they also wanted a defenseman to plug the Klesla hole.
ALEX, FЯEE
They’re wrong about the number it adds, but I bet they’re right about Clark. Like I said below, the Jackets desperately needed a veteran voice with Malhotra leaving in the offseason.
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I think Clark was the guy they were after, primarily.
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Who wouldn’t get along with Clark? If you don’t get along with Chris Clark, that shit is on YOU. Nash also has chicken legs and a fat baby face. Whose body suffers worse after retirement: Nash or Green?
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Green. He’s got a lousy family medical history, although we haven’t really heard anything about his father having problems, just he’s obviously not thin. He’s going to have to be incredibly careful with his diet as he gets older.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
The insistence that the Jackets take Clark in order to get to Juice
Sounds like someone has some inside info and is holding out on us…
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 29, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Finally.. now when the trade deadline comes, we’ll have some cap room to get that other rugged forward we always wanted.. Donald Brashear…
hmm.. wait a minute
:)
Seriously though… if this really is a deal to clear up cap space and get us ready for a deadline day trade… who would the caps be looking for? A D man, another winger?
In that case… maybe we can talk Ray Lewis into changing sports since his team isn’t going to make the playoffs. We need another token black guy anyways :P
The only thing more offensive than that picture is the lack of title accompanying it.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 29, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Popular answer isn’t always the right one or the one that happens. I don’t see any immediate trades on the horizon, but then we didn’t see this one either.
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Maybe Ted just wants to actually make some $$ off the team so he’s lowering his expenses.
Didn’t he say on his blog that the season before last he actually ended up LOSING 5 million on the caps during the season they lost to the flyers in the playoffs?
You don’t lower player-related expenses by shipping Nylander to Grand Rapids and continuing to pay his salary.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 29, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Well, yes, but by having his salary not count against the cap…
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 29, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
(…you raise the total costs that you’re going to end up paying)
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 29, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Stanley Cup Champions sells a lot of shirts in a town surrounded by sub-par sports teams.
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Kind of funny that this was the trade following Nylander freeing up some money. I never looked at it, but didn’t we have a fan post about what you would do with Ted’s money now that there was free space under the cap? Tell me true, how many of you had a trade where we freed up more cap space?
by HateOffSeason on Dec 29, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
JP – Seems like my take on him also. Not a “Brendan Morrison reclamation project” here, just a solid depth winger and a salary dump. Btw, did George McPhee really say (with a straight face) that this was not a salary dump trade?
Well, the Caps did upgrade a forward, help to clear up the logjam on D and got the best guy in the deal. But the cap implications are obviously not insignficant.
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This is probably correct. I don’t think they did it because of the cap space, but the cap space sure is useful. They upgraded a forward, started clearing up the D logjam, and cleared a roster spot for Boyd Gordon. Not saying that the roster spot was why, but like the cap space, it’s handy and kept them from having to waive anyway.
I also think the Jackets wanted Clark. They had two veteran guys leave in the offseason and were needing a vet in the locker room. Clark fills that need. They also needed a replacement for Rostislav Klesla, and Jurcina does that.
Unleash the Alex!
Apparently McPhee talked to Columbus about Chimera in September, so it doesn’t seem that his primary motivation was salary dump. My sense is that they were looking for somebody to play the role that Matt Cooke played (so very briefly). They have really missed having a speedy forechecker to set a tone in the offensive zone. The scounting reports suggest Chimera may do that (I really don’t know, having barely seen him).
Then again, plenty of good hockey players have looked “maddeningly ineffective” while playing for Ken Hitchcock.
Ouch.
Yeah, perhaps a reason to hope for a spike in Jason’s numbers, not to mention he’s coming to the highest scoring team in the league.
I would expect his numbers to go up a little bit playing for the Caps, since he will likely not have to be a borderline second line guy here. He’s replacing a forward from the 4th line, so he will see some pretty weak checking most nights. If he ends up on the 4th-line, with his speed, he’s going to get a lot of decent looks and opportunities to score. Just have to hope he makes the best of them.
I’d love to see him on the power play in front of the net with the second group…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 29, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
What I like most about the trade is the fact the McPhee made it. In other words, he showed the cold-heartedness to move a team leader and lockerroom favorite because he thought it might help the team even the slightest bit. Sentimentality is nice, but it has no place for a team looking to win a Cup. It also tells just about everyone else not named Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green and Varlamov that they could be next.
by b.orr4 on Dec 29, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Not to get ahead of myself but… I feel bad for Clark but imagine how much worse it’ll be if we win the cup this year. A few years ago he comes SO close.. making it to the end of the finals. And now he’s on a team that looks like they could possibly make it all the way and BAM.. stuck in columbus.
I hope he helps Columbus make it DEEP into the playoffs, though.
I assume the point was made in the trade thread, but at least we Caps fans won’t have to be embarrassed by Gary Bettman handing the Cup to Chris Clark.
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We don’t get it – Crosby gets to keep it for another year.
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would never have been embarrassed by that.
by IRockTheRed on Dec 29, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Nor would most of us, but there was once someone who posted a comment that they would be embarrassed to see the Cup handed to Clark over Ovechkin; that’s what J.P. was referencing.
No, actually. A Rink original!
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My thoughts on the matter are that if/when the Caps win the cup, I won’t feel bad for anyone for a solid week.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll feel sorry for anyone who is parked on the side of the road anywhere within 2 blocks of Verizon center that week.
I don’t know, I can see a surge of red storming screaming down Pennsylvania Avenue and our basketball fan Commander-in-Chief, not realizing what’s going on, call out the National Guard in a panic and have us all thrown in jail.
Unleash the Alex!
Really great point. It reminds me a bit of this from earlier on in the season.
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Yea... not following you.
When a team with high expectations stumbles out of the gate
First is stumbling?
I am easily satisfied with the very best
No. This is why “it reminds me a bit” and not “it is exactly the same as.”
Point being that b’s point about how a move like this shows that GMGM’s all business, and that can be a powerful motivator.
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I still think it’s entirely different situations. This is less about waking the team up, I’d imagine. It’s about the cap and about getting rid of the logjam at D.
I am easily satisfied with the very best
I agree – this was not a “wake-up” trade, but that is a side effect of making such a deal, if the players are attuned to it.
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That's kind of a horrible locker room policy...
Keep ’em scared?
I am easily satisfied with the very best
Keep ’em hungry, keep ’em focused.
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Exactly. McPhee isn’t trying to terrorize the players, but he’s saying through this trade that management is going to do what it takes to win a Cup. If I’m a player that cares about winning, I’d want to be part of that kind of organization. Complacency is the biggest hurdle to success and at times I’ve got the impression that the Caps felt showing up was good enough.
Peter Gibbons: " So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. "
by Brainumbc on Dec 29, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Timing
Last night aside, I love the timing of this move. Like Peerless said above, this gives us 20 games to evaluate what we’ve got before the deadline. Perhaps even more importantly, it means that GMGM isn’t simply going to wait around to make deals at the deadline when, depending on the asset you’re looking for, you can occasionally severely overpay for a scarce asset. . . like a #1/2 defenseman.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
That pictures worth just one word: fuckingawesome.
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by J.P. on Dec 29, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Much scarier than the one I had in mind, too.
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Think the heads ever bite each other? B/c that’d make ’em even scarier.
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Where do you find a picture of Mike Ricci at this time of day?
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by winterion on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d. Great cultural reference!
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 29, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Or Ghost Shark Chimeras
Chimaeras, also called ratfish, rabbitfish, and ghostsharks, are perhaps the oldest and most enigmatic groups of fishes alive today. Their closest living relatives are sharks, but their evolutionary lineage branched off from sharks nearly 400 million years ago, and they have remained an isolated group ever since. Like sharks, chimaeras have skeletons composed of cartilage and the males have claspers for internal fertilization of females. Unlike sharks, male chimaeras also have retractable sexual appendages on the forehead and in front of the pelvic fins and a single pair of gills.
I could have been equipment manager, but nooooo!
Face palm takes on a whole new meaning
by MikeBrady on Dec 29, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure. What kid doesn’t find out what his name means?
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JASON
Gender: Masculine
Usage: English, French, Greek Mythology (Anglicized), Biblical
Pronounced: JAY-sən (English) [key]
From the Greek name Ιασων (Iason), which was derived from Greek ιασθαι (iasthai) “to heal”. In Greek mythology Jason was the leader of the Argonauts. After his uncle Pelias overthrew his father as king of Iolcos, Jason went in search of the Golden Fleece in order to win back the throne. During his journeys he married the sorceress Medea, who helped him gain the fleece and kill his uncle, but who later turned against him when he fell in love with another woman
http://www.behindthename.com/name/jason
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 29, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
derived from Greek ιασθαι (iasthai) "to heal"
The ‘Jason’ was necessary for when the Chimera’s heads get angry and start biting each other.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 29, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Being a car guy, I can’t help but think of the British, V8, rear-wheel-drive roadster, the TVR Chimaera:
Gearheads of the rink, unite!
My uncle had a Taimar for like ten months, when I was in seventh grade and my parents were in full 240D/Coronet wagon mode. I hold fast to the memory (and hope Jason’s more reliable)…
by redlineblue on Dec 29, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Now that is a sweet piece of machinery…
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Dec 29, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, I’m a bit biased towards the Tuscan series.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 29, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, we need a nickname for this dude. Any suggestions?
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
For some reason I find myself wanting to call him Chewy.
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Hmmmm...
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 29, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
He looks like Chris Elliott from There’s Something About Mary in that picture.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 29, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Eh…its already Gruden’s nickname. Can’t use “Baldy” because that was General Meade’s horse (and a great horse at that).
He kinda looks like Robson from Oz
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Chim chimmer cherooo
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Crap. Will be singing that for the rest of the day.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 29, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
you, Sir, are a witty chap!
A danger to myself and others on the ice
by can't skate on Dec 29, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
USA Today sez “Chimera has eight goals and nine assists this season, along with 47 penalty minutes — more than anyone on Washington’s roster.”
ALEX, FЯEE
that’s because Ovechkin gets away with everything! The refs never call penalties on him! If the refs called Ovechkin for being a dirty player he really is, he’s have 100+ minutes!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I was probably the first one here who made references to a certain mythological monster after the Nov 1 game against Columbus
Rocking the Red since 1975
he does resemble a certain handsome boy modeling school graduate
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 29, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. Their first album had a ton of samples from “Get A Life”. Just take a loot at some of the TRACK NAMES
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by Sombrero Guy on Dec 29, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that’s my nickname for him now: Sparkles
Look at this face, what do you see?
Look at it Dad, what do you see?
What do you see? Say it, say it!
Uhh ayuahh it’s a face!
Yeah but what kind of face?
Uhh, pale.. pasty.. psychotic
No Dad!
It’s a neatly chiseled, well groomed, drop dead handsome face!
{*violin music starts*}
Sparkles – professional male model..
Sparkles – professional male model..
You must be another Handsome Boy graduate
Oh my God they’re gorgeous!
You must be another Handsome Boy graduate
Oh my God they’re gorgeous!
Speaking of numbers… Numbers “25” in Caps history (the one multi-fur-head will be wearing)
Jim Hrycuik…………………..1974-75
Gord Lane……………………..1975-76
Bob Sirois……………………. 1975-80
Torrie Robertson…………. 1980-81
Tony Cassolato……………. 1980-81
Terry Murray………………….1981-82
Doug Jarvis…………………..1982-85
Grant Martin………………… 1985-87
Bob Crawford………………. 1986-87
Lou Franceschetti…………1987-89
Robin Bawa……………………….1989
Peter Zezel…………………… 1990-91
John Kordic………………………. 1991
Shawn Chambers………….1991-92
Jason Woolley……………….1992-94
Rob Pearson………………………1995
Brad Church………………….1997-98
Barrie Moore……………….. 1999-00
Terry Yake……………………. 2000-01
Mike Grier……………………. 2002-04
Andrew Cassels…………… 2005-06
David Steckel………………. 2006-07
Viktor Kozlov…………………2007-09
If you've read this far...seek help.
On wearing #25, we go from a Goat (Kozlov) to a Chimera. (Kozlov means “Goat”). So for the previous 2 years, Backstrom centered a line between a sheep (Ovechkin) and a goat (Kozlov) even though the Bible always talked about separating sheep from the goats, with the sheep on the right and the goats on the left. (But it was different on the Caps first line last year.)
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by CapsFan75 on Dec 29, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Greer gets mine, but only because I wasn’t born when Jarvis was in a sweater.
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Jarvis was great. Remember when everyone voted Dave Steckel the #10 most valuable cap? Well, Jarvis was what we all thought Steckel would be this year, and he was that good for many years. Great checking forward and phenomenal faceoff man who could contribute on offense as well.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Making Dave’s lack of leap all the more frustrating.
"I didn't mind a diminished role because we were winning so much and we're such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs...I would have taken any role on this team to do that.
by Bald Pollack on Dec 29, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Jarvis wins that vote in a landslide. I miss the days of Bobby Gould & Doug Jarvis killing penalties for the Caps. Current Caps could learn a thing or two from those old timers.
A man gotta have a code
Those old days, they were pretty good…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Terry Yake was the balls on NHL 94
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 29, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Take a look at Chimera’s stats. I know that juniors stats don’t really mean anything, and that nobody makes the NHL without dominating the lower leagues *cough*cough*BoydGordon*cough*, but does anyone else think Chimera could have some real significant offensive upside to be triggered by the move from Hitch to Boudreau?
If Chimera becomes the Marty McSorley for this team, that’d be pretty amazing. To have a guy who will stand up for his linemates and who won’t embarrass himself on one of the top two lines…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
I see Chim’s numbers going up, only because I think a 15 goal scorer on other teams ought to be a 20 goal guy on the Caps. Then again, it likely depends on if he plays with Fehr or Flash.
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No guarantee he plays with either but he certainly could. Or play with Laich and/or Knuble as well.
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I’m digging today’s practice lines:
8 – 9 – 22
25 – 19 – 28
A little toughness and a lot of skill on both lines. Those look like playoff lines to me, and with 14-21-16 and 10-39-15 they should generate all kinds of matchup problems.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Um, so… when the Caps win the Cup, to whom does Bettman present it?
If you've read this far...seek help.
As long as he’s presenting it to some guy with “Capitals” across his red sweater, I don’t much care…
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 29, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Could be a white sweater, actually. :)
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 29, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
it would be much more enjoyable at home. After 35 years of suffering, you’d think the hockey gods would grant that little concession.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I don’t know. A welcome home at the airport? a 2 am party at Kettler when the team arrives home? Would it be so bad?
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
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