Caps Acquire Jason Chimera
by J.P. on Dec 28, 2009 3:54 PM EST
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PrintPer Elliotte Friedman the Capitals have traded Milan Jurcina and Chris Clark to the Columbus Blue Jackets for Jason Chimera.
| Assets | Has blinding speed and good size. Excels at the forechecking game, as well as penalty-killing situations. Can score goals in bunches. |
| Flaws | Lacks consistency on offense, and his all-or-nothing style makes him an injury risk. Doesn't use his size enough to his advantage. |
Update: From a financial perspective, the Caps move $4,008,333 in 2009-10 salary and $2,633,333 in 2010-11 salary (all Clark's) and add $1,875,000 in 2009-10, 2010-11 and 2011-12 salary.
What They're Saying:
"Good trade for both clubs (CBJ/WAS). Capitals needed someone like Chimera, and Blue Jackets need help at both ends." - David Pagnotta (TheFourthPeriod)
"Just talked to Chris Clark. Said he was "definitely shocked" by the news of the trade. Didn't have any inclination that he might be dealt." - @cmasisak22
"Clarkie and Juice two of my fav guys on and off the ice in that locker room. Will miss you both. Not a fan of the nature of the business" - @brettleonhardt
"If I was Bruce Boudreau, I would make Mike Knuble the captain. Incredibly respected, a guy Ovechkin really listens to." - @FriedmanHNIC
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For all the time I’ve spent arguing AO should be the C, I really don’t know what to expect, now. I’d like to see it, but I’m sad Clarkie’s gone.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Same here, I really liked Clark. I don’t know how I feel about this yet, I’m kind of stunned right now and I don’t like Chimera.
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Is he the guy who hurt Ovie?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Yeah. Ironically.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Question
Do you guys think Ovechkin gets named Captain, or will it be someone else?
Space Weed Says Telling it like it is without a care about the mainstream's feelings
"DO NOT get stuck behind Kyle Wellwood in the buffet line. This isn't really etiquette, but it will prevent you from starving to death"- Down Goes Brown on Etiquette for Jason Spezza's wedding
by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 28, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions
Either OV or Brooks.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
It’s probably Brooks, but Knuble can be considered
Space Weed Says Telling it like it is without a care about the mainstream's feelings
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 28, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Give it to Knuble!
As a bridge for when Alzner’s ready!
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Awwwwwwww, SHIT! He’s not nicknamed King for nothing!
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
If they don’t hand it to Ovechkin immediately, I bet they ride without a Captain the rest of the season.
No way. It’ll take maybe a week if it’s not immediate. They love Clark, but he’s gone. Someone else will step up.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
This isn’t a team where you best choices are Witt and Halpern, though. There’s genuine leadership in both AO and Laich, and one of them will take it, IMO, even though I think it should be AO.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
And to clarify, I would be perfectly happy if Laich was chosen over AO. I just would disagree is all.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
dchesnokov is purely speculating (and is way off base, in my opinion).
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
If I place my Semin bobblehead in my pocket can I say Jizz in My Pants?
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
I have Jizz on my desk! (signed puck)
by HeartbreakRidge on Dec 28, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Stick around and watch the ensuing 500+ comments.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 28, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t bother reading, I’ll summarize.
Ovie’s the best player, he should wear the C!!!
No. Laich deserves it because your C should be a grit guy!.
Rinse and repeat!
by Sct112 on Dec 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I admit I have a lot of catching up to do, but the first 50 comments on the thread are about who should wear the C rather than the merits of the deal. I was fed up with the captain argument long before it actually became a question that had to be addressed.
Agreed, the Captain argument is for the team, not the fans. Not my cup o’ tea.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
If fans can argue about acquisitions and strategy (none of which we have a say in) why shouldn’t we discuss the captain situation?
I think it’s a waste of db space also, would rather hear analysis, but no need to nitpick what fans can post impotently about.
by snowburnt on Dec 28, 2009 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
personally, i think the fans just have so much less real insight into the captain debate. we only know what we can gleam from interviews and testimonials. as much as we think we know these guys, we don’t really know these guys.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. We know the salary cap, salary owed each player, and we have our opinions of their relative worth. Making dream rosters is at least based in some measure of reality. The Captain is all about what he does in the room and how his teammates feel about him. We don’t know any of that stuff so it’s basically a popularity contest.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 28, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Give it to Backstrom, to fuck with everyone, and make him feel like he needs to play with an edge.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 28, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
SARGE FOR CAPTAIN!
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
It absolutely has to be OV, for no other reason than to keep your franchise player flattered and happy.
For what reason? I’d hope that the 100+ million reasons he already has are enough to keep him happy.
For what reason?
for no other reason than to keep your franchise player flattered and happy
I’d hope that the 100+ million reasons he already has are enough to keep him happy.
This seems a little naive. Athletes have egos, Ovechkin included. You would run a risk of insulting him by not offering it to him. Why take that risk?
Teams name players as captain all the time in order to flatter them (Kovalchuk)….even if the player isn’t qualified as a traditional captain (Luongo), or is arguably too inexperienced (Toews, Crosby, Richards). Why do you think they do that?
I think Toews was more than qualified to take the captaincy on arrival, but that’s just me? Hardly invalidates your point.
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I’m pretty sure if Ovie is not the next C, it’s because he decided he still wasn’t ready for it. And in that, I’d be shocked.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
My $$ is on either Knuble or Brooksy, both respected and beloved by fans and NHL alike. I don’t think Ovie needs to be the Captain…
Am I the only person here who is perfectly okay with this trade? Juice and Clark were two of the handful of guys I knew I wouldn’t sob if they were traded, and Chimera was apparently very popular with the Jackets locker room and staff. He may bring some of the grit writers have been saying the Caps need, but he can actually play and score, unlike say, David Koci or the countless goons GMGM could have traded for if he’d been stupid. But he’s not.
I’m ok with it. I have no problem with moving Juice, as I’m one of the few that prefer ShaMo still. Clark I am just sentimental about, but I think Chimera gives the Caps a lot of what they were missing.
Quick Ovie for captain tangent – does anyone (other than me) think that it might be a good idea to give Ovie the C to help him further develop/rehabilitate his reputation with the zebras? Seems like they’ve had it in for him lately, and more face time might help. I feely admit this may be crackpot, though, since he talks to them plenty already.
I really don’t see Knuble as the Captain of this team. I hear he’s a great locker room guy, and he seems to have imparted some of his wisdom to Fehr and Brooks, but the next captain of this team is AO or Laich, I think.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think while the fans, myself included, wish to see Laich the Cap’n it will go to Ovie.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Well, not me :-). I’ve argued for AO for so long now.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
I admit to being a hockey novice still, but I don’t quite see the good angle for the Caps here. Is Chimera that good a catch that we give up our Captain and one of the few physical D men we have?
Chimera’s a good fit for the bottom six, Jurcina’s expendable (physicality is a means, not an end and all) and Clark’s on a bad contract.
Willing to fight more, as well. I’m interested to see what he can bring to the team.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Just not with Shamo…
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was lame. But I also question how hard Shamo pushed him to fight.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Right. I have a feeling that Shamo simply asked him to go, Chimera said no, so he backed off. The point was to force him to fight.
Yeah, and I think Chimera is probably our biggest enforcement threat now.
Also, great timing on the Captain question. You have inside info or something?
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Bigger, stronger, more skilled version of Matt Bradley. I like it a lot.
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by D'ohboy on Dec 28, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HE BLEEDS A RIVER OF THE BLACKEST BLOOD WITH ONLY THE SLIGHTEST BREATH OF WIND, AND HIS ENEMIES DROWN IN THEIR FEAR FOR HIS WEEL-BEING!
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha… :) Dunno… although, he does show a similar propensity for getting messed up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYViRuwFZA
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He’d pop like a balloon.
Sorry, that’s disgusting.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Actually if Chimera produces like he’s capable of when healthy, he should produce more than Bradley offensively. If he also has a mean streak then I love this move to death.
well this years bradley is looking different then say the last two years. 7 goals near the midseason mark
Great deal!
I can’t commend GMGM highly enough for this move. Two guys who were doing very little on the ice for a guy who has as skill set the Caps need. I’m still shocked they found someone to take Clark’s contract. Making it now is even better. The team will no doubt be a bit unsettled at first. Gives time to deal with captain leaving and getting Chimera in the flow.
A man gotta have a code
can’t disagree at all
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
I seem to remember when he first sign that deal, everyone applauded how great of a deal it was and how he took a discount to stay with the Caps…
by Murshawursha on Dec 28, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
For the role that Clark's been playing of late...
…I’d say Chimera’s a big upgrade. You do have to worry about what, if any, impact this has on the locker room of a team that’s been humming right along.
This… Sorta feels like trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
by Murshawursha on Dec 28, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
correct! with 9 Dmen and a far overpriced 3rd/4th liner….the caps were not maximizing their assets. this trade helps.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Chimera does many of the same things as Clark, but better. He’s also younger and cheaper, so I think this is a pretty good upgrade for the role. The Caps Captain Curse strikes again.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
We just acquired one of the best names in the league, I think.
And also, ZOMG!
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
Welcome aboard, Jason. Sad to see Clark go, but it seems like a good fit.
by Kerry Fraser's Hairspray on Dec 28, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
from a strictly emotional fan prespective:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Clarkie!!!!!!!!!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Not sure I want to believe what my eyes are reading. I get it that Clark was expendable, but he was still the Captain on a playoff team. Not sure I like this trade (especially since I’ll have to replace my Clark jersey)…
by ThreePingPost on Dec 28, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
On the surface I do not like the idea of trading the Captain mid-season, on top of the standings.
Maybe there’s more. Maybe something wasn’t working, maybe there’s a bigger deal coming. I have faith, but this is huge.
Has to be a bigger deal coming. What’d we save, $2 mil here? That leaves around $6 mil in space. Too much room to do nothing.
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Yeah. You don’t trade your captain just to bank cap space for a “maybe.” Something has to be in the works, even if its not solid. Right?
I really felt like Clark was starting to turn it around, show flashes of his old self. I thought he played his best game of the year against the Devils. Very bittersweet right now.
http://dclandingstrip.com/
same here. Clark has given his heart and soul (and a few other body parts) to this club.
And I personally thought it would be great to see him raise the Cup.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Even though I understand perfectly why it happened, I’m still heartbroken.
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Dec 28, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Earlier this morning I guessed Jurcina for Chimera, kinda shocked that they threw in Clark as a part of it….Caps clearing salary for a future move?
You come at the king, you best not miss.
Gotta be
Can’t imagine they’d just move the Captain unless they had something else in mind. Really a nice chunk of change they freed up.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Has to be. Maybe a possible move for a big D-Man at the deadline? Pure speculation at this point.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
well they got rid of a D-man with this deal so we are down 8 from 9
But its quite possible, especially with Bouds sitting Alzner for Sloan and others to get more ice time. Its quite possible GMGM wants to showcase some of the other defense.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Good guessing…and we’re not really sure yet. May be getting loose ends tied up so we’re ready to deal at the deadline?
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Chimera is probably the best fighter on the team, immediately. Even despite his ridiculous behavior last time the teams played. Can’t say I’m too upset, he’s pretty solid on the PK as well.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Re: Laich as Captain
For whatever reason, Brooks Laich was not made part of the “A” rotation which included Tom Poti, Mike Knuble, and Brendan Morrison (not to mention Ovechkin’s perma-A). How does Laich get it over the four alternates we have now?
I understand why WE see Laich as a captain, but for whatever reason he wasn’t deemed worthy a few months ago for a lesser honor.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions
I understand why WE see Laich as a captain
Yeah, so other than that he’s North American, why is that?
by mechanicsville on Dec 28, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Locker room guy, willingness to deal with media, work ethic on ice, work ethic off ice, respected figure in the community, ability to play wherever needed without complaint, need I go on?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
If there was any doubt as to the next captain, it was erased completely during the 3rd period of the Edmonton game. Ovechkin is the captain of this squad, and has been for quite some time, imo.
by mechanicsville on Dec 28, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ovechkin exemplifies what a Captain should be without having the letter, which means more to me. Kolzig did the same thing for so many years.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Here are Ovi’s thought on the Olympic team captaincy, from Sovetsky Sport via Russian Machine Never Breaks. And I never want to hear another word from anyone about his ‘selfishness’. He is gracious and modest, and that speaks even better to his character as a once and future Captain:
"Mora is our captain"
DC: Your teammate on the Olympic team Ilya Kovalchuk is at a crossroads. He’s going to become a Free Agent in the summer. According to rumors he may go to DC.
AO: I doubt whether he will play for the Caps. But if it will happen, Washington will become a killing team!
DC: Can you give advice for a friend?
AO: I don’t think Ilya needs any. He’s an experienced guy. He has an alternative. He may quietly play for the rest of the season, go to the market and find a team he wants. There is no sense to advise him on this. I will be happy for him in any case. He decides a great deal. He’s the leader of his team.
DC: You’re right about Kovalchuk’s leadership. What do you think, can he become a captain of the Russian Olympic team?
AO: You should ask the coaches about it. But we have a captain – Alexey Morozov. Every one of our players is a leader in the locker room. Everyone can scold if something is wrong. In terms of it, the "C" on a jersey it’s only a formality. But it’s not right. You should deserve it. Mora deserve it, like nobody’s business.
ALEX, FЯEE
I hope it happens, just so we can call it a KILLING TEAM.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
KILLING TEAM, killing word? Sounds a little DUNE to me.
by HeartbreakRidge on Dec 28, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
ovechkin fits all of those descriptions, from everything we’ve heard.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Other than “ability to play wherever needed”, yeah.
But, still, Laich’s got a lot going for him beyond being North American (getting back to the comment from mechanicsville).
No doubt that Laich has a lot to offer. Didn’t mean to come off as down on #21. Love the guy (pls witness awesome avatar).
The notion of anyone other than AO as captain, however, confuses me.
by mechanicsville on Dec 28, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that Ovechkin should be captain.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
My theory on Laich not getting the ‘A’ is that he’s going to act the same way – bringing leadership and hard work on every shift, in the locker room, etc. – regardless of whether he has a letter on his jersey. Some of the other guys maybe are able to step up that part with the ‘A’.
But he’d make a FANTASTIC captain, no question about it. And this ain’t the presidency (or Miss America) – you don’t have to be “next in line” to take the job.
1995: Kevin Hatcher — replaced by Dale Hunter as captain in 1994, traded to Dallas
1999: Dale Hunter — traded to Colorado
2002: Adam Oates — stripped of captaincy in 2001, traded to Philadelphia
2003: Steve Konowalchuk — traded to Colorado
2009: Chris Clark — traded to Columbus
If you've read this far...seek help.
You forgot Halpern (or you just ignored him since he left in free agency, not a trade).
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
well to be fair, Oates, Halpern and Konowalchuk were part of the team tear down.
Oates was traded so he might have a shot at the cup(or atleast more of one than with the Caps) and so the caps could get prospects.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
This is a consolidation move, and on those grounds, I like it. On an academic level, if the Caps turn a couple okay players into one player that’s better and more cap space, that’s a net gain.
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by winterion on Dec 28, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Yup. Rec’d for rationality.
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
i’m on board, witerion. take me to your leader!
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
From Corey’s twitter:
Just talked to Chris Clark. Said he was “definitely shocked” by the news of the trade. Didn’t have any inclination that he might be dealt.
That’s gotta sting, I feel bad for the guy.
I’m with the group that thinks there are more moves coming. GMGM going guns blazing I think. Still not sure what to make of the deal, but if it’s a precursor to more moves to create a super team going all out for the Cup, then I am on board.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 28, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions
Definitely gotta feel for Clarkie here. He was a great teammate, and I hope him and Juice find good success in C-Bus.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Feels like it did with Brent Johnson – not a star, but totally likeable and a good teammate. I wish him success against every team but the Caps.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
they’re coached by that fat [bleeping] [bleep] that loves the trap. I can love Clarkie and Jucie (who I hope makes the Slovak team this week), but I don’t think I can ever love the current incarnation of C-bus.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
As much as I want to hate C-Bus, I can’t stop loving Steve Mason. Even with him ruining my fantasy team. He’s like that Sour Patch Kid commercial where the you hate it one minute, but love it the next.
He one handedly ruined my annual hockey pilgrimage to D.C. last year, so I respect him, but can’t love him. :)
by HeartbreakRidge on Dec 28, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
So… the Caps move what — in the cold calculus of evaluation — are extra pieces to get tougher and cheaper. They do it with enough time before the trading deadline to get a really good picture of how the remaining pieces fit, both in terms of production and chemistry. They have enough cap room to make a deal, if they think they need a piece or two.
Timing is 90 percent of management. And cold as it looks from the outside, it is hard to quibble with the logic of the what or the when.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Dec 28, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
True, but he is still the Captain of a playoff team. That’s just brutal.
by ThreePingPost on Dec 28, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
a Captain for the last two seasons in name only. A playoff team needs a captain that can make things happen and lead by example on ice. Neither of which Clark is capable of.
Nice guy, truly. Had a lot of presence in the locker room but he doesn’t produce
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Well said. We’ve had too many “who should be the C” discussions not to agree with this general idea.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
a Captain for the last two seasons in name only.
not fair. we witnessed clark’s contributions on the ice, not his contributions off the ice.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
But to us, it’s true. And as far as the Caps are going to say, they’re going to say that they’d have followed him to depths of hell.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’d buy Clarkie, too, if I could. He was a man’s man’s man.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
And Wikipedia continues its awesome immediate updates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Chimera
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
Wow.
Over the summer there were rumors he (Chimera) was going to get dangled by the BJs, one rumor had Ehrhoff going to Columbus. I remember I thought he would help the Sharks, bringing scoring depth on the third line. Seems like a great pick-up for the Caps, though what do you make of your Captain getting traded?
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 28, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions
I am. I don’t think I’ll accept it for a few more hours.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
knock a couple back and it’ll all be good
by renhoak on Dec 28, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Sucks. But it’s a business. As much as Clark was popular with the players and the fans, I think all of us here are willing to say that we’ll do whatever it takes to get the Cup.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Little bit of shock, but I read the trading of Clark as less a Washington thing than a Columbus thing. Columbus is in dire need of a shakeup and some leadership, and they’re really young. Chimera brings a bit more of the pest aspect and is just annoying.
Unleash the Alex!
less a Washington thing than a Columbus thing.
from (my) washington perspective, i’m thrilled we were able to move clark at all, with his production relative to his cap hit.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i’m thrilled we were able to move clark at all, with his production relative to his cap hit.
/nods head silently
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by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
though what do you make of your Captain getting traded?
Punched in the gut awful is how I feel.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Never been a big Clark fan. And they found someone to take his salary for next year. I’m leaning more toward F-AWSOME.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
Always a Clark fan, and he was a good captain for the first 2 years after the lock-out. He’ll be missed.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
The Juice Lobby sheds a single tear...
Then welcomes Chimera wholeheartedly!!!
Honestly, this is a great move. When we had our discussion of “team toughness” a while back, I thought Chimera was just the kind of player to bring in – tough, willing and able to fight, but can also play some hockey.
I loved Clarkie, and clearly thought Juice was better than ShaMo, but Clark’s salary was a drag, and Alzner makes both ShaMo and Juice irrelevant.
Great, great move by GMGM.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
I know its business but seriously.. clark has been here through the rough times.. and now he just lost his best chance to win the cup since being in the final w/ the flames. I feel for my man 17.
It sucks for him, but I still remember when the Avs traded my favorite player (Adam Deadmarsh) for Rob Blake. It sucks and you feel bad for a sec, then you realize your team just made a huge upgrade.
I’m not saying Chimera is Rob Blake, but Clarkie was no Adam Deadmarsh, either. We’ll all miss Clarkie, but he’ll probably get a chance to play a lot more minutes now. And we got better. And we got more cap space.
Brilliant.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel bad for Clark, but why is this a bad move for the team? They shed salary, helped clear the D logjam, and upgraded a bottom 6 forward. Don’t see what the problem is other than losing the captain (which I don’t think is a big deal) and the sentimentality involved (which shouldn’t guide hockey decisions).
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Salary dump?
WASH saves about $2.4m in cap space after doing this deal, i’m guessing they did this deal to save some $$ for Backstrom’s extension
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 28, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions
That, or a move for a D-Man at the deadline.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Or both.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think you might be right about that, the Caps could be getting another Defenseman
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Dec 28, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Backstrom’s extension is irrelevant. By the time it counts against the cap, Theo’s (not to mention Juice’s) contract is off the books.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
From a Caps fan perspective, this is a good move – Chimera’s marginally better than Clarkie at a lower salary, Juice couldn’t stay in the lineup with an overcrowded blueline, the team has plenty of leadership to go around and they gain some cap room.
From an irrational, emotional fan perspective…this move just broke my heart. Loved ’em both.
by Becca H on Dec 28, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Chimera is more than marginally better than Clark – it’s a pretty significant upgrade. If you take out the two years where Clark rode shotgun for Ovie on the PP, Chimera’s stats outpace Clark’s substantially. This is a talent upgrade.
Losing Juice rather than ShaMo hurts, but not that bad.
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Salute
went to practice this morning with a friend who’s only marginally into hockey (only really watches b/c of me, haha) – the one thing she said she noticed the most was that clark had a huge smile on his face the entire time.
ALEX, FЯEE
by EmilyB on Dec 28, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Noticed that all through training camp and the informal practices before camp officially started. A great guy and a great leader – I wish him only the best in Columbus. Juice, too. I know there are a lot of people here who are happy to see him go, and he’s more than replaceable in terms of on-ice…but he’s always seemed to be nothing short of a great guy off it.
Wonder how Juice’s best friend Flash is taking this…
FWIW, the scouting report from the CBJ blog mentions that Chimera always has a positive attitude and is a great locker room guy, so the Caps haven’t downgraded their smile quotient.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
My friend, a Blue Jackets fan, just texted me and said Chimera’s a fun guy and we’ll like having him. And knowing the way GMGM values chemistry almost as much as the talent on the ice, I have no doubt he’ll be a great addition.
Nice. This is a fun team, and chemistry is one of those elusive intangible qualities necessary to win a Cup, so hopefully he will fit right in.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Clarkie even smiles when he’s dangerously close to spearing a guy!
A Fav Clark Picture
sorry, the security settings on the photo won’t let me post it here.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Good move for the team but it still hurts to see those two go. Especially Clark… and coming off that great performance against NJ. Maybe I’m just too sentimental for the business of the sport. Can you imagine being GMGM and having to call Clark to tell him to pack his bags?
Nice having you here Cap’n, you’ll be missed. That said, nice move for Chimera.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 28, 2009 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
He’ll wear #25. Guess Kozzy’s number ain’t getting retired :P
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
Fail.
http://cbjcannon.blogspot.com/2008/11/closer-look-jason-chimera.html
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I’m still learning this hyperlink thingy on here.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
So he’s basically me: same age (by a day), same height, same hairstyle.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
yea, I still dont understand why all the names being floated around for captain dont include those who are already alternates (Poti, Knuble Ovechkin)
I can tell you pretty clearly, it’s not going to be Poti under any circumstances.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Dec 28, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
understood, but you would imagine that those selected for alternative captaincy were selected for a reason. Just like those not given the nod for the “A” were not for a reason, unbeknownst to the average fan.
IF Ovie were given the “C” I would assume that Poti would bump up to “A” #2 (he’s currently, #3, it seems), and they’d add someone else to the list of potential “A”
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Poti’s A has been variable. In the Free Alex game we almost ran out of alternate captains…AO was in the brig, Knuble was still in recovery, and only BMo was wearing an A.
If AO gets the C, it’s either Laich or Backstrom with the A, methinks. Backis is absolutely a leader on this team, he’s just damn quiet about it.
ALEX, FЯEE
He’s undefeated in his 1-game captaincy run, isn’t he?
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But he’s never worn the A. (Brooksie has occasionally worn the A but he’s been behind Knuble and Morrison and Poti in that department.) Logical guy for the C — Alexander Mikhailovich Ovechkin. Okay, he was not ready 4 years ago but that was 4 years ago. There’s no reason that he’s less capable of being a C than Mike Richards of Philthy, Sid Crosby of Pitt, or Jonathan Toews.
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Chimera is one of the fastest skaters in the NHL. His speed is his best weapon, and it leads to many offensive chances when playing with other fast skaters. Chimmer also has a nose for the net, and possesses a good slapper.
If he’s a faster version of Clark, it’s a better fit.
If you've read this far...seek help.
I provide the links, you provide the quotes. Fair?
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
We as fans, strictly emotional fans, have been very lucky to see the same guys grow into the premiere team in hockey over the past 3 seasons. We’re attached to them. It’s hard not to be when the roster has so little turn over. Rationally, this is the nature of the business, and it was bound to happen at some point. But it still sucks, it’s like when your best friend in third grade moves away.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Now for a little speculation:
If Chimera is as quick as the scouting reports say he is, and he’s a tough player who likes to be around the net, might he get a tryout on a line with Ovie and/or Semin to give them a little protection and a quick winger to take advantage of their good passing skills?
Hey, somebody's got to speculate.
AO – Backs – Semin
Flash – BMo – Knuble
Chimera – Laich – Fehr
Laing – Steckel – Bradley
(Hurt – Gordon)
Green – ShaMo
Sloan – Schultz
Erskine – Alzner
(Hurt – Poti, Pothier)
Theodore
Neuvy
(Hurt – Varlamov)
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Especially if he brings his punchy game.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Maybe like this (and I admit I’m a noob at this):
AO – Backs – Knuble
Chimera – BMo – Semin
Flash – Laich – Fehr
Laing – Steckel – Bradley
(Hurt – Gordon)
I could certainly live with that, but who knows what BB will do. I think we may get a taste of that, and every other line combo you can think of.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Well, it worked for Clark back in the day. You never know.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I’m on the Laich lobby for C
but I also think Brooksie should be moved back to the 2nd line. When he’s been there he’s been solid. I don’t have the stats about when he was moved to the 3rd but he certainly isn’t doing better down there.
AO-Backs-Semin
Laich-Bmo-Knuble
Chimera-Flash-Fehr
Laing-Steckel-Brads
imo
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
That third line is without centering.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
flash could center. hes fast enough for it. but as far as faceoffs – it probably wouldn’t be much worse than having Backie do it.
but laich’s a top 6 forward, but you don’t get out of a slump playing down a line with less minutes than normal.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
There’s a lot wrong with this comment.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 28, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Flash can’t take face offs or take care of the defensive responsibilities of a C. Notwithstanding his PK TOI his defensive hockey sense leaves a lot to be desired.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Backstrom’s defensive prowess is often unnoticed. Flash is not ready for such things. Perhaps if they spent all summer readying for it, he could try.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
I think Flash is better defensively than being given credit for.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
As a wing, maybe. But as a C? The guy’s never played it (at least not since before junior hockey).
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
He played it in the AHL pretty commonly.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Still doesn’t change my stance one bit. Flash at C would immediately be the biggest defensive liability on the team.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Still doesn’t change my stance one bit. Flash at C would immediately be the biggest defensive liability on the team except for Mike Green on the halfwall on a power play.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
For what it’s worth, the top line on the calder cup Hershey team was Flash, Kris Beech, and Graham Mink
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are gonna make me bust out the paint…
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
The two-on-one goal against v. VAN when Green pinched sealed it for me. Flash was so terrible on that play he may never come back in my mind (defensively, if he scores I’ll give him all the credit for that).
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Flash cannot play C for about a million reasons. Steckel has to move up or Laich down. My guess is Laich stays at 3C (or a call up).
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Disagreeing with Laughlin is a sure sign of being totally correct.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 28, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually was thinking the exact same thing as D’ohboy but didn’t want to pick on Locker.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Every time he goes into his rant about one-piece composite sticks, I want to throw the remote through the TV. But I don’t, because I’m only borrowing the TV and the guy I’m borrowing it from is a good dude.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
The or a call up could be interesting. Perrault’s speed matched with Chimera’s speed and Fehr or Laich cleaning up the mess…could be interesting. And it would probably be a more realistic look at what Perrault brings to the table than most of the wingers he was matched with before.
by HateOffSeason on Dec 28, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
We’re a little lopsided with LWs, aren’t we? Some guys have to either switch or move to a lower line.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
@TarikElBashir:
Jason Chimera is expected to meet the Caps in DC tonight. Won’t play but will travel to San Jose with team afterward.
FWIW.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Beat me.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
He’s going to be ready to play against San Jose? He always has good games against us… CRAP!
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 28, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
No haha. I commented because I saw it was Chimera’s name in the deal. He was rumored to come to us over the summer and is a Shark-Killer.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 28, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure. Cbus and Washington would have a hard time being two more different systems. He’s got some learning curve.
Unleash the Alex!
I dunno, the Caps as a whole picked up Bruce’s system pretty easily.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
yea if he embraces it, he’ll fit right on in
But most of the Caps picked up Bruce’s system because a majority of them played it for him in Hershey. There are still a lot of farmed players with the team
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
I kinda doubt he plays (against SJ) unless absolutely necessary, as he’s had no time to practice with the team…but i’ve been wrong before
"I am ready for his provocations"
by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 28, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Per washcaps twitter
George McPhee press Conference will be streamed live at 5:30p – http://bit.ly/8xUfjB
by iced on Dec 28, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions 31 recs
Everyone!
Please rec this for easy reference. Turn it green so we can scroll and find it at 5:25.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Good thoughts, but 21 (and counting) rec’s may be a little bit of overkill….
{grin}
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
This had to be very difficult for McPhee
When Clarkie had his teeth and palate crushed by a shot in 2006, yet stayed out and finished his shift, McPhee said
""That’s one of the most courageous things you’ll see on the rink. So the next time someone has a runny nose, or feels under the weather and doesn’t think they should play, that should make them think twice."
It’s guys like Chris Clark, Q Liang, et al, who perhaps more than even Ovie at times make you love the game so much .
I’ll miss you Clarkie – very much. Musings about Jurcina’s cannon of a shot? Not so much.
by S h a g g y on Dec 28, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
No more Captain Cadaver.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
We may need to go over and share that story with the CBJ blog.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Will this be shown at the VZ Center this evening? May have to head over now…
"I am ready for his provocations"
by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 28, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
So I guess this is the first ‘emotional’ trade of the new (Boudreau) Caps. No one’s going to miss Eminger, Pettinger, Ted Ruth, etc.. but Clark.
:(
So painful for the captain. He didn’t play 40 regular season games here, so if we win the cup, his name won’t be on it :(
Team has a little bit of discretion on this, but they also have a large ownership group. It’s not out of the question, but it’s not likely either.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think they have discretion for who gets a ring, but the 41-game cutoff is codified.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
So are we short a forward for tonight? Gordon back in town?
Bummer that I will be on my way to Verizon and not able to listen to the press conference.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
And Alzner can play!
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Ha. Check again. I wasn’t in that thread getting worked up. I agree 100% with D’ohboy that Alzner should be playing every game, but I wasn’t too fired up.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Nah, that thread’s a waste of my time at this point. I don’t think one game will kill him, but looks like he’ll play tonight anyway, so moot discussion.
Unleash the Alex!
Moors?
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Then we’re short on D?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
He’s already got to go back in to replace Juice, no?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Trying to get my head around it – do not know a lot about the guy we acquired, but will give him a chance – gonna see if this leads to another move.
Losing Juice to me matters more on ice than Clark – not that he was great, but steady and affordable
I’m happy for Jurcina to see him going to another team. With eight D over here, that was a couple more than we actually needed…
Columbus needed a serviceable replacement for Klesla, who’s down for … a long time. They are also one of the youngest teams in the League and are desperately in need of veteran leadership. The Caps could use some cap space and some roster space (remember, Gordo’s coming back soon folks) and can spare both of CLB’s needs. They get Chimera back, who joins Erskine in the ability to drop ’em at need and has speed and (I think) some pest-like qualities.
Unleash the Alex!
The trade makes total sense to me on a logical level; it’s just gonna leave a Clarkie-shaped hole for a while… :-(
by IRockTheRed on Dec 28, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
When I read a scouting report, and see comments about him being a great teammate, with great speed and a talent for garbage goals… I think I’m in love.
by HeartbreakRidge on Dec 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
It hadn’t occurred to me yet — this is the answer we probably wanted to our ‘enforcer problem’ — someone who’s a fair fighter and willing to go, but is predominantly known as someone who can actually play hockey.
Pieces are falling into place.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hurts my heart to see him go, even though I’ve more than once said we need to get rid of him. The captain should be one of the best players on the team.
The captain should be one of the best players on the team.
Disagree. The Cap’n should be one of the most vocal, charismatic, and hard-working. He doesn’t have to be one of the best, though.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Completely agreed, DP. The captain needs to be the one who most exemplifies your team, in effort, ethic, skill, and style. He also needs to be someone willing to stand up for your teammates. For a long time, Clark was that guy.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
He epitomized everything that was good about the Leonsis-era New Capitals.
Thank you, Chris.
ALEX, FЯEE
Clark also served as a wonderful bridge from the old Lunch Pail Capitals to the new caps.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
That’s more what I admired him for. He was a great bridge. We’re over it now, but it still stings. At least he’ll still be in red, white, and blue.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Interesting. Just so happens we have all of that in one player.
by mechanicsville on Dec 28, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else want to be a fly on the wall when Ovi and Chimera meet face to face as teammates?
Unleash the Alex!
Non-event, I’d guess. The whole thing was way overblown. That kind of a play happens every night, the only difference was that time the world’s best player got hurt.
by David Getz on Dec 28, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They won’t care. Though I take heart in the fact that the only guy who can break Russian Machines is on the Caps now….
every player in the nhl would say its awesome to be on a team with Ovie, Crosby, Malkin, or Iginla. I’d imagine Chimera is happy(to go to a winning team who has a shot at the cup, and to play with the best hockey player in the world), though probably the same bittersweet happy most players feel when traded suddenly.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
From the scouting report it seems like this guy has a bit of finesse but also has a rough and tumble to him (similar to Knuble).
One thing to look at is his capacity. He may get alot better being on a stronger offensive team. Whereas Clarke was coming back to form; but, prolly doesn’t have the space for improvement Chimera does. (WAS > CBJ)
GMGM prolly has more up his sleeve before the deadline. With Juice getting moved out, I feel like they may be trying to move around the D, with the success of Alzner and the other Bears.
As far as Clarke goes, thats on CBJ. They desperately need a leader.
Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .
Yeah, Chimera does fight, although he’s not too good at it.
I’d say that losing Juice’s physical presence portends a near future trade for a big crease-clearing defenseman.
Can anyone who has watched Chimera a lot vouch for how effective of a forechecker he is? IMO if he is relentless in attacking the puck and creating turnovers then he could prove invaluable in the playoffs.
I just wish I knew more about the guy.
Sounds about right. I’ve basically ignored CBJ the last few years but I’ve always liked Chimera (until the last meeting with CBJ). Has speed and size and takes the body. Also a solid PKer.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
This might have been why they were rotating so many D-men these past few weeks.
But that begs the question why not ShaMo than Juice?
Only reason I can think of is that they think one of the younger guys they have in the system can grow up into the roll Juice had.
Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .
it may be that Columbus preferred Juice to ShaMo.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 28, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Physicality perhaps? Also, Juice probably replaces Klesla, and CBJ isn’t made of money. Juice’s cap hit is about half of ShaMo’s.
Unleash the Alex!
Juice is 1.375 mill against cap. Chimera is 1.875
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Another interesting stat
Don’t know how many draws he gets, but he’s 65% on the dot.
That basically made him the 2nd best faceoff guy on the Blue Jackets
Well at least we don’t have to be embarrassed with who Bettman hands the Cup to if the Caps win the Cup.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
How did it take 200 comments to get to this?
by David Getz on Dec 28, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I came in late, and was actually skimming the comments to see if it had been mentioned.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I almost did, but it was too raw.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be sooooooooooo embarrassed if Bettman hands the Cup to Semin.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
No…he can say that much.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
How about when Bettman hands the Cup to Erskine?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Handing it to Shamo or Threeormore would be much funnier to me.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Hope Theo is wearing a touque
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Bettman would invalidate any Cup won by a team with the audacity to name a goaltender their captain.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
well that sucks for Van then.
wait, no wonder they lose in the first round every year.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
It’s probably a mute point, but one DOES wonder which player would receive the Cup if the Canucks won. Sort of like how one might wonder which route the parade will take.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Fact: Luongo has never lost in the first round of the playoffs.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
But as bad as they looked against CHI you could forgive someone for assuming that team had not beaten anyone.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Well, they did only play one round of playoff hockey last year.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I have to say if Morrisonn was on his way out, and not Jurcina, I’d feel a little better about this deal.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
So would I, if for no reason other than it opens up more cap space.
I’m also glad I can trade Clark in NHL 10 without feeling too bad now.
Totally. I always felt like a traitor.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t feel so bad about moving Jurcina. Alznerson immediately comes up now.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I keep Erskine, but he only gets ~8-10 minutes a night. Jurcina and Morrisonn are usually my first two out the door.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Most of us likely would. But Columbus probably wanted Jurcina more than Sha-Mo and I can’t say I blame them
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he’d be a bad one in the locker room, but I worry about the increased media attention.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I vote Schultz.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
So does Semin.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 28, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
…and to clear the decks to pick up Chara at the trade deadline
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
then pull up Joe Finley from SC. Isnt he like 6 5 or something?
Still waiting for someone to draft Paul Newman. . .
@cmasisak22:
Boyd Gordon has been recalled from Hershey and is eligible to play tonight.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions
AGH! BEAT ME AGAIN!
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rumour is...
Gabby will make Flash captain. Just out of favourtism, y’know?
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
Sloan will be a roving A going between C and A depending on the game.
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I figure Columbus, to some extent, took Clark because of his leadership. Yet there’s no way the BJs strip Nash of the “C” and they’re carrying five As according to their roster.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
The Columbus locker room probably doesn’t have a very good ratio there either.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
This is what I get for not getting online for the last couple days. I come into work, and start doing tomorrow’s TV programming, go onto CSN.com and see this trade. I’ll be sad to see the Cap’n go. He actually flipped me a puck during the pregame on Saturday.
Chimera
1 a: a fire-breathing monster in Greek mythology having a lion’s head, a goat’s body, and a serpent’s tail
Sounds like a 3rd liner to me.
Gee! That sounds like something I would post. Just after Nov 1, I was thinking of writing a Star Trek story where a chimera type creature was bothering the Enterprise.
Rocking the Red since 1975
Also explains the “goat line” in C’Bus.
Star Trek story sounds like a good one. Put it up as a Fanshot and the Rats can help you edit ;)
by mechanicsville on Dec 28, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
We should be so lucky…
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
by Rob Parker on Dec 28, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yea, wrong thread but...
…did anyone see Della Rovere just crush some Swiss chach in the offensive zone?
http://dclandingstrip.com/
I’m rooting for Switzerland.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Ha. Good luck with that.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Oh, it won’t happen, I just root for the Germanic speaking nations, even if Switzerland ruins their uniforms by having “Suisse” on the front.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I have to at least theoretically root for Switzerland, I mean, my mom is Swiss. I’ll just root for Caps players more. :)
by HeartbreakRidge on Dec 28, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
from the above link:
“I didn’t mind a diminished role [in Washington] because we were winning so much and we’re such a great team and had a chance to do something in the playoffs,” Clark said. “I would have taken any role on this team to do that. But now I’m going to start all over again. Hopefully Columbus will be in that position in a few years.”
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
That was the sound of my heart breaking.
ALEX, FЯEE
by EmilyB on Dec 28, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rick Nash had better have already made a phone call to Clark welcoming him to the team and putting together everything he can to make the move as seamlessly as possible.
Promote the game, it's the NHL, not SCHL
I’d bet Clark makes the call to Rick.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 28, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My heart bleeds for him. It really does. That’s a tough break for him. No matter how much it’s a great trade from a purely logical perspective … from a human perspective, you’ve got to feel for Clark.
Unleash the Alex!
I feel as a fan, because I appreciate the heart and soul, lunch pail type guys. Im still not completely use to the high-scoring types that we have now, and still attach myself to the blue collar players.
Ulf Dahlen and Steve Konawalchuk salte you
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
salute
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Not directed at anyone in particular (Cause I can’t remember who said it in the past), but funny about all of the people who clamored for him to drop his captaincy and for him to be traded, and now all of the tears being shed on his behalf. Similar to the “Kolzig needs to go” lobby turning into tears when he announced his retirement.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
In a few cases, I think so. I haven’t seen anything like “This is awesome, Clark was a joke.”
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I don’t think I ever pined for Clark to be gone, but I’m not against this move from a hockey perspective. I loved what Clark gave for this team (and will always remember that awesome diving, between the legs poke from the NJ game) but this helps the Caps on the ice. But it still tugs the heartstrings big time. He signed in DC when few others would, and it sucks he’s getting shipped out just as things are firing on all cylinders.
Kolzig needs to have his number retired asap.
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Some of the ones to this point may be questionable, but Kolzig is a MUST.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Give it 10-15 years and we’ll see. At that point there might actually be guys that paraded in front of the White House with a BIG CUP HOLDER.
I agree that Kolzig is more deserving than Labre, Gartner or Hunter.
I agree with this. I think you could make a very strong argument that Olie was the greatest pre-Ovie Capital in franchise history, in terms of his accomplishments, team success, and contribution to the community.
I’m guessing that you don’t remember Langway that well? There aren’t any hockey writers that have created a “Olie Kolzig” award, Mirtle does have a “Rod Langway” award though. Many would argue Langway saved hockey in Washington.
My argument against the comment honestly has less to do with Kolzig than it does with the ASAP part.
I wasn’t a Caps fan during the Langway era, so I don’t remember him, no. From what I’ve heard he would be the other one in the argument for greatest Cap ever. Not Hunter (whom I do remember), Gartner, or Labre. Saving hockey in DC is certainly a big deal. I still think Olie’s accomplishments are hard to argue against on their own merits, though.
I agree that there’s no rush, especially with the clearing of the air that needs to eventually happen between Olie and the club.
I love Olie. But Olie and Hunter are competing with Langway for greatest Cap ever the way that Backstrom and Green are competing for best Cap right now.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
There is no competition. It’s Langway hands down. Best player ever to play for the organization by a country mile.
A man gotta have a code
Regardless of who was a better player (and someone on the team is coming close to having something to say about this), Kolzig has to get some extra love over Langway for being drafted by the franchise.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, and how could we forget—there’s a certain much hated ex-Penguin who can definitely lay claim to being better than anyone who’s ever played for Washington.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
But he was awful as a Cap.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Different question than the one originally posed though, and evidence as to why other factors than “who was better” matter.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think some of you quite get the fact that Langway is considered one of the, if not the greatest, defensive d-men ever. Kolzig, and even Jags, who while a great player, isn’t held in nearly the same regard as Langway, much less given that his time in DC was a disaster.
Getting drafted by a team is pretty close to irrelevant. Almost every player gets traded at least once in their career.
Maybe its that I’m one of the few around here who actually saw Rod play. :-)
A man gotta have a code
It’s a very good point. I discounted it somewhat because he didn’t play his whole career in DC, but clearly his prime was with the Caps. If I had seen him play, based on what you’re saying, I’m sure I’d feel differently. I still think arguably second (or even third if you include Ovie) greatest player in franchise history deserves a retired number, based on the precedent set with Labre, Hunter, and Gartner.
The kids these days, I tell ya.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
I saw Rod play. He was all they say.
One more factor: if not for Rod Langway, there would be no Washington Capitals today. There would be a team in Kansas City or Denver or something.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Columbus is pretty good, but it will take a few years like he said to be in Cup position.
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" club.
Fear the Fin: Where Sharks Fans Aren't Like Other Sharks Fans.
by SharksFanEst.1994 on Dec 28, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hahah, me? I’m busy watching the Canada-Suisse game.
All yours.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
one measure of how far the Caps have come? This trade is front page news on washingtonpost.com
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 28, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Per Bob McKenzie:
Caps will not decide on a new captain until after they return from their coming West Coast trip.
Speaking of, are we just assuming everything’s set and ready to go for our meet at Ballston?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
I was planning on getting there around the same time. I’m driving down from BMore.
Have we set anything up with Bailey’s yet? Do we even know how many Rats and Rabbits we’re expecting?
I’m wondering, too, as I don’t know any of you personally, and have no idea what to look for when I wander in.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Tallish chick, brown hair, will be in an NNOB white jersey. We should have a sign of some kind – can we arrange something with Bailey’s?
Unleash the Alex!
That’s what I was wondering. I was thinking if we had an overwhelming amount of folks, we might be able to get some drink specials or something. I’ve never been to Bailey’s so I don’t know how they operate.
I’m thinking we need to do the “Hi My Name is…” name tag thing. User name then real name, obviously.
Do we have to do anything for Bailey’s? I’ll post a comment about how many skaters are coming. Can’t speak for observers.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Including coaches?
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
You’re running unopposed right now I believe.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
F&B just posted that the Rats game time is confirmed, 8:30pm. I’m going to wait a bit to see if he puts up a new post about it — but if not, I’m an organizer by nature, so I’ll probably do it. We decided on Bailey’s, right?
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Take it to the bank...
Chimera gets in a fight in his first game, particularly if anyone lays a finger on Ovie/Jizz/GL52/Backis.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
by D'ohboy on Dec 28, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That would make everyone love him, if that’s what happens.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I’m betting his first act as a Cap is to drill someone with a big hit, and his next act (possibly right after the first) is to get in a fight. It’s all part of ingratiating yourself with the new team.
Grand Rapids A-Go-Go
Especially when your role is so clearly defined. There can be no illusions about what the Caps brought him in for.
/Sooooo glad they got Chimera instead of Torres.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Great point there.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Do you see the Caps going for an Owen Nolan or Jason Arnott now that they got Chimera or focusing more on a key D-man? Or both?
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’d 28 in my pants for an Arnott. Nolan, not so much. A key d-man would be nicer, though.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 28, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome. I agree though I would be pretty happy with Nolan, just not like Arnott or some help on D.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Wings depth is deep; center depth is not. I’d take Arnott over Nolan.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
/Sooooo glad they got Chimera instead of Torres.
Or David Koci…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Amazing how we have close to 500 posts on this thread re: the trade and the Blue Jackets forum has under 30
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
we have close to 500 posts on this thread re: the trade and the Blue Jackets forum has under 30
Let’s all go over there and inflate their comment totals!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
More from Clarkie, if anyone’s interested.
And the gameday thread is up for all you Rats and Rabbits clamoring to talk about another thrilling Southeast Division showdown…
Reminder that that GMGM press conference should start soon — http://bit.ly/8xUfjB
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
my connection, from beachfront waikiki…….so slow. :)
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
all I’ve got is a blank screen. is it starting late, or is it my computer?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I’ve got the same so my guess is the former.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 28, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Starting late. It’s on CSN Now.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Looks like GMGM didn’t sleep much over Xmas
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
he took trading Cap’n hard too I guess
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if his son will refuse to talk to him, like Ted’s kid did to him over the Bondra trade?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
That trade broke my heart, i couldn’t bear to watch many games after that one. For some reason, probably the way it went down, i felt betrayed
I still remember his quite-tearful press conference. We went to his first game here as a Sen — the crowd cheered. We have only one signed jersey and it’s #12.
He was my favorite player as a kid. I grew up that day.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I went to a game when he was a Thrasher, and jokingly booed at him in warm ups. He looked up, smiled, and then started flipping pucks to younger fans in front of me. It was actually kind of neat.
I remember later in the game, he got a penalty, and everyone did a standing ovation. He actually seemed to smile about that too.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
and Mike Leach from the sounds of it
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I find it interesting that GMGM seemed to address Jurcina being gone before Clark.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Classic press conference technique. You close with the most important topic because you know that’s what all the questions will be about.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 28, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
GMGM pulls off the move I think is coming next and I’m voting him Washingtonian of the year.
A man gotta have a code
Schultz to South Carolina for Finley?
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
What do you think is coming next?
Seems to me like the table is set to pick up Niedermayer, depending on Anaheim.
Exactly what I’m thinking (and I’m not exactly going out on a limb here). If not Nieds then another vet D-man.
A man gotta have a code
it would seem he has A LOT of money to play with now, especially for the rest of this season. exciting times.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Plenty of room for Nieds, it looks like.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
Really? That’s pretty much the last thing I imagine unless they make a big playoff push. Do they benefit at all by keeping him, assuming he retires after this year?
Cap'n memories
One of my favourite Cap’n memories is this year when we had that long-ass shootout with the Isles that went 15 rounds and finally the last forward we had available and brought off the bench was Clark who ended it.
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
11 rounds on 11/11? Definitely a highlight.
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chcD8sLnX-8
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
by breaklance on Dec 28, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
I’ll buy it. Fehr, Flash, Clark, Semin, Gordon, all natural right wings.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
He’s not going to throw Clark under a bus. He’s going to say all the right things. We all know exactly what he really means – Better player, better value, and 2 mil in cap space freed up for this year. We are going for the Holy Grail. In order for that to happen we needed to remove the dead wood.
A man gotta have a code
This Is Bruce's Doing
BB is a Yankee fan and Clarkie’s a Red Sox fan. He’s had it in for him since day one. Typical Evil Empire move.
by b.orr4 on Dec 28, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
how is it that a Massachusetts native survived childhood being a Yankees fan?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Because Tom Poti has made it his life’s mission to be totally unlikeable. And he’s succeeding.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
God: “Okay, Tom, I’m giving you a choice – this is a first for me – you can have the skills to be the best hockey player in the world, or you can become an okay player with decent potential (and a LOT of disadvantages outside of the rink – hoo boy), provided you can keep from dumping this puck over the glass.”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 28, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Do I even need to chime in here?
Yeah, I guess I do.
Told you so.
And HA HA!
I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!
by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
fail fail FAIL by me.
game 6. (1 goal, 3 assists).
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I was nice and didn’t nail you on it, just corrected …
I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!
by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
i’ve had one too many pina coladas at the beach today.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
My worst moment EVER: seeing that jerk with his hand to his ear as he skated off after Game 6.
How the Rangers played so piss poorly and let that happen … I will never forgive them for that.
I have a blog too! www.scottyhockey.com
Let's Go Rangers!
by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
bastids,all of them! (from a Blue Jays fan)
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I like GMGM’s saying “It looked like it made us a better team, so we made the deal.” That’s his job, and like the move or not, at least he’s on that train.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
GMGM needs some sleep now. Good night
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
chih-MAIR-ah.
Familiar Rapports: Bald Pollack, F&B, Gould Old Days.
Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Toh-MAT-oh..sorry wrong thread
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
My screen as well is black, and refuses to load
But the Caps website has a full press release now: http://capitals.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=511370&navid=DL|WSH|home
NOT about the conference
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Regarding losing Clark’s captaincy:
“I don’t think it’s going to change a lot”
Did we miss something about Clark’s leadership? Obviously Ovechkin is the emotional leader but was it of GMGM’s opinion that his leadership was non-existent? Or am I reading too much into this?
probably reading too much into it. What is McPhee going to say? “This team is so mentally delicate that trading Chris Clark, our one and only leader, will be a disaster”?
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I think guys like Knuble can pick up the slack there
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Juice
Not a lot of discussion about losing Juice here. Contract issues aside, there are a few other defenders I’d lose before Juice. A solid part of the D-corp, in my opinion. Are we saying that with Sloan and a healthy Poti we’re feeling OK?
If that’s true, after watching straight-faced GMGM during that press conference, I’d hate to play him in poker . . .
I think the Blue Jackets wanted Juice more than someone like Sloan or Sha-Mo and who could blame them. But also GMGM has a few more moves involving acquiring a D-man to come is my guess
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
“And welcome back to CSN:live we are closely following the big move made by the Washington Caps trading Captain Chris Clark and Defenseman Milan Jurcina for Columbus Blue Jacket’s Jason Chimera (segway back into===>) Chick Hernandez talking to Jim Zorn…..click "
People are stupid, a person is smart. This leads me to believe there must be at least one smart hockey fan in Philly.
Skins tangent – thank god we won’t have to watch Zorn pretend to be all “medium” and zen about the Redskins playing like utter garbage. Doesn’t stop all the networks from playing his idiotic soundbites though. Sports coverage around here has become unlistenable.
I’m not a Skins fan by any means, but I just watched that segment and it was painful. I guess Chick isn’t one to beat around the bush too much. Flat out asking Zorn about sucking and losing his job must suck. I’d hate to be in that position.
I loved the end when Chick was kinda not sure whether or not to say see you next week for the Jim Zorn Show. More like the TBA Show.
Thundercats Roar!
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Clark and Juice are in the lineup tomorrow against the Islanders. I’ll be at that game.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
You too? How you gonna handle it? I’m wearing a Caps jersey and cheering Clark and heckling Juice to shooooooooooooooooooot.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
“SHOOT THE FUCKING PUCK, JUICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
It’ll be just like old times!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
watch out, there are two juices on that team now.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
But not enough gin.
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Clark will look funny with number 11.
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Haven’t decided. I usually don’t wear Caps jerseys to non-Caps games, but if Captain Cadaver is in the lineup I may make an exception.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 28, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t really bring a Caps jersey with me. Look for me in the crowd with the red Weagle hoodie.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Wouldn’t it be funny if you ended up with seats in the same section?
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 28, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’d agree, but I don’t think either team lost the trade.
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Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Agreed. Look, if Juice is better than someone in their top 6 and they re-sign him and keep him, it’s a slam dunk for them. That doesn’t mean it can’t also be a good deal for the Caps, though.
i also don’t think the non-elite fans are fully grasping the salary cap ramifications.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
(the same fans that are over at BSH talking about how trading danny briere would be a huge mistake.)
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Meh. It’s a scientific poll, right?
Honestly, who got the better of any trade is impossible to say the day of the trade. That’s one of those things that pans out or doesn’t over time.
Besides, who gets the better of it also depends on what the Caps do with that extra space come the deadline.
Unleash the Alex!
Agreed. A lot of people bashed GMGM for Sutherby for a second rounder, and forget that second rounder became Huet.
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Exactly. And don’t overlook the fact that a lot of people see 2 players from one side and 1 player from the other and think…oh, 2 > 1, the Blue Jackets won the trade.
Also, here goes ANY chance of the Caps having an Olympian on each of the big seven.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions
Don't worry
The Caps were never going to be represented on Team USA regardless of today.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I obviously didn’t imagine so either (nor for Finland or Canada), but Knuble’s name has come up. I meant losing Jurcina.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Though maybe we can claim Bondra as our man for Slovakia, making it still in play.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 28, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
“[Clark] once looked at his paycheck and said, ‘They pay me too much to do this.’
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
“[Clark] once looked at his paycheck and said, ‘They pay me too much to do this.’ I said, ‘[Clark] there aren’t many guys in the world who can do what you do and be a captain like you are. It is an honor to play under you.’ He looked at me and said, ‘Just make sure you tell me that once a day from now on.’
“He was a guy who had me at his house for Christmas every year, looked out for his teammates and he was a special guy. We’re going to miss him. He was a great friend. I wish him the best of luck in Columbus. Hopefully he gets a chance to play and can further his career.”
The whole quote is well worth the space . . .
My heart keeps breaking over and over. This one’s going to take a while for me, I think – I’ve loved Clarkie since seeing him play w/ the Flames in the 2004 playoffs, from the first round up to the Finals. Great guy, great player, great leader.
I need to stop playing on the internet before I just break down into uncontrollable girly sobs :P QUICK, someone post a picture of Brooksie again.
I’m kind of a big deal.
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Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
I just made a Mii Brooks character and couldn’t find a good long haired brooks hairstyle, so I had to go with the shaven look. I was a little disappointed.
Sidenote: I absolutely killed on making Ovie, Nicky and Jizz Mii characters.
I was voted down on actually naming him Jizz by the rest of the family. So he has to be “Semin.” I was pretty pissed considering that the Mii looks exactly like him – scowl and all!
I want a friend code, so I can get these guys on my brother’s wii~
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I’m not online yet. We just got it for Xmas. I tried synching it up with my Wifi, but it kept failing. Of course that was 2:30 this morning after 4 glasses of sangria, so that might have something to do with the fail on my part.
Let me know when you get it – feel free to email or just post a fanpost for Wii Friend Codes.
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Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
We often look at the squad and think “Here’s what we need to add” forgetting that we have to give something up in most cases to acquire it (lol Fedorov). It hurts, but in the end, I think we improved as a team.
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I’m reserving judgment on improving as a team until I see Chimera in red and white. It’s got upsides, though.
Unleash the Alex!
Two guys who are healthy scratches on this squad if at full strength for a guy who will likely be in the lineup night in and out is an upgrade and a testament to depth.
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I’m inclined to think so but I’m hesitant to commit all-out the day of a trade. His career could end Wednesday in San Jose for all we know.
Unleash the Alex!
That’s a factor outside the realm of control, though, and wouldn’t really reflect on if it was a bad or good trade at the time.
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Lump in the throat.
“[Clark] once looked at his paycheck and said, ‘They pay me too much to do this.’ I said, ‘[Clark] there aren’t many guys in the world who can do what you do and be a captain like you are. It is an honor to play under you.’ He looked at me and said, ‘Just make sure you tell me that once a day from now on.’
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
To which the Cap’n then added “By the way Brooksie, notice how many people say we look alike? Why can’t I get the chicks like you? Or the strategically placed bubbles.”
I lived with a blind guy for a while, then he figured it out and demanded back rent.
by Rather Bengt on Dec 28, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. Twins separated at birth, really. Also, I’ve got to ask about the bubbles (or Bubbles) thing. What did I miss out on for that nickname?
by mercurialwinger on Dec 28, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Really slow day at the Rink when a bunch of Rabbits (and one Rat) commented at length over the Ovie photoshoot picture with a female model clad in soapy bubbles only. Conversation drifted to hoping Caps’ PR people would see our posts and get Laich to “wear bubbles” for a photoshoot. :) Hence, #needsmoreLaichwithbubbles.
Have we figured out what number J.C. is going to wear?
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Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
Did someone say #25 or were they just making that up? I haven’t seen it anywhere else so I’m guessing it was either snark…or some SERIOUS insider info.
He wore #25 in C-Bus. Like terpgrrl said below, I got a text as well.
I also like jumping out of tall buildings.
by Steck It Out on Dec 28, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
25 wouldn’t surprise me, just gonna be odd seeing it instead of Kozlov (Not that I was that attached to Kozlov).
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Or Doug Jarvis.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I am sad about it but this deal makes a lot of sense. It frees up salary cap now and let’s be honest sentiment aside given the TOI Clark has been getting and the line he has been playing on he is/was being overpaid. Chimera for Clark given where the Caps need a seasoned forward now and shedding ~$1+M of Cap hit makes sense right now. I think we will miss Jurcina and Clark’s grit and Juice’s checking but now with wanting to make/keep room for Alzner and guessing that the Jackets wanting help at both ends it was iunevitable they wanted a Defensemen as well in the trade. Guessing they didn’t like Erskine’s age (possibly among other things though he has been playing well lately) and the Caps probably didn’t want to offer up Sha-Mo, Alzner or Carlson that probably left Jurcina as “that guy”.
To me it’s clearly time AO is the Captain if he wants it so everything considered including the depth of the Caps organization and there real need for Cap space to sign some more guys who are up for RFA this June, I think this is a low risk, sensible trade that is good for both teams.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 28, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions
I suppose this is the last time we’ll have a reason to trot this out:
In sum, to call Jurcina one-dimensional would mislead the reader by implying there is an area of his game that is particularly strong.
good call. i’m cross-posting the arbitration over at the cannon.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 28, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
A bit shocked, really, much like everyone else. I always liked Clark as captain. Indeed, he always seemed to embody the values I personally like to see in one. It will be interesting to see where things go from here in terms of chemistry, but Chimera is definitely an interesting addition, even if one cannot help but feel a bit saddened all the same. I felt much the same way when Feds left during the summer.
Just got back from work.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! CLARKIEEEEEEEEEEEE! JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUICE!!!!!
I hate Chimera, but kinda love the cap space.
I am easily satisfied with the very best
I think a lot of people dislike him for how he played in the game against the Jackets earlier this year, but it’s an aspect that’s not really that dirty (Not like Matt Cooke) that maybe we can use.
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Lobbies: Osala, Perreault, Erskine, Pothier, Neuvirth, Flash.
Fan of: Mean Lars Backstrom, Line Mashing, Cake.
by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
But really, tomorrow I’ll get over it. I wasn’t sold on Knuble at first, now I love the guy.
I am easily satisfied with the very best
I was sold on Knubs. Before we got him, I wanted GMGM to get him. I was happy.
I really, really, really hope that if/when the Caps win the Cup this year, they petition (do they need to?) to get Clark’s name on the Cup.
I’d feel so so bad if they won and he was just watching from the stands.
[Hockey perspective, I can deal with the trade. Fan perspective, I feel suckerpunched.]
Hockey perspective, I can deal with the trade. Fan perspective, I feel suckerpunched
Exactly.
I understand it, but I don’t want to.
players appearing in 41 regular-season games or one Stanley Cup Final game for the championship team have their names engraved on the Cup. The NHL makes exceptions for players who do not meet the standard because of injury or other extenuating circumstances
^If my source is correct, it doesn’t look like it…
I am easily satisfied with the very best
but but but…he’s played THIRTY EIGHT.
That’s just three away – that’s not faaaaair.
[fwiw, I just got home and haven’t gotten over the trade emotionally. I just feel it’s horrible to trade your captain away in the middle of a season when you’re at the top of the league.]
Good and Bad...
Good:
When you get the best player of all of them in a trade, you’re more likely to come out ahead. Chimera is a better player now than Clark due to age, and injury history. Chimera is a better player than Jurcina as well.
The dropping of over $2M in cap space makes signing Backstrom to a nice, long term deal a real possibility.
Adding Chimera also means that Bradley doesn’t have to be the guy bleeding all over an opponent dropping the gloves if needed
Bad:
Trading the captain of a team always has an impact on the team. Clark was the guy they all looked up to when their was an issue.
As for who the next captain will be… I don’t know. If Ovie is ready to be captain, then he will be given the “C”. If not, then one of the current “A’s” will get it (Knuble, Poti, Bradley or B. Morrison). No one on the current roster has worn a C at the NHL level other than Bradley (one game…). I know there’s a lot of lobbying for Laich, but despite how he plays, he might be a bit less outgoing, and a captain needs to be able to get in the face of the opponent, the officials, and also be the guy everyone looks to to be the leader. Laich would make a good choice, but Knuble or Bradley might be better.
All of that is moot if the team thinks Ovie is ready. If he his, then it’s his “C”. A player of his magnitude should be the captain if he has the leadership skills.
One last thing. Here is hoping the Caps will hold off giving out #17 until 2011-12 season. Clark was here 5 years, and putting that number on the shelf for awhile will allow for a transition.
Let's go Caps!
Bradley’s undefeated as a Captain.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
??
Now I’m sorry if this has been asked, but I read through most of the comments before laughing hysterically at the hate for Tom Poti and how it popped up in what should be a sad post about losing the captain for another team’s underachieving third liner. So I wiped the tears out of my eyes and jumped to the bottom to pose this question – and if it has been answered I’m sorry – but how many NHL teams have traded their captain away mid-season and gone on to win the Stanley Cup?
Here is a HFboards link where they list captains and I don’t notice any …
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IIRC Lidstrum capitaned the Wings in 07-08 as the 1st true European so that myth is gone.
If the Red Sox can win a World Series after around 100yrs., then why not this?
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
You're just bitter
because Glen Sather couldn’t unload your underperforming 3rd liner on us. I’m pretty sure we still couldn’t afford Chris Drury even if Sather could convince GMGM to take him, so don’t get too torn up about it.
And seriously, Redden for Poti straight up, let’s do it.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I would gladly make that trade, gives us cap space and I can get back to the peanut taunts.
As for Dru, I wouldn’t have minded dealing him for Nylander at this point – that is how bad the Little Leaguer has been. Instead we keep the worst captain in franchise history – that’s 83+ years – and have no cap room. Christ.
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by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
You have to make the D swap, but GMGM would never go for that. I just wanted you to have to choose Poti. I’ve never seen a guy alienate fan bases like Poti. Drury is an anchor, maybe Sather moves it at some point, but I doubt it. Gomez was at least relatively productive. You guys have a bunch of entry level contracts ready to contribute? That’s about the only way you’ll be able to continue to round out competitive teams if those veterans don’t turn it around.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
I just wanted you to have to choose Poti.
Hey! I’ve never been mean to you … =)
And no, we don’t have a lot of good youth that will make up for the debacles that are Redden, Rozy and Drury. We’re scrambling now with Prospal out for three weeks …
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by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, a baby couldn’t drown in your offensive depth. You got a whole bunch of young D though right? Staal, Gilroy, Sanguinetti, and McDonagh should all be cost-controlled for several years now. That’s something to work with. And Stepan has looked great for Team USA.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Way to look out for your people. Don’t know I overlooked him. With Redden and Rozy I don’t see how they have enough roster spots for all those guys. Well done. They actually have a pretty deep organization I just don’t know how far along these guys are and when they’ll be NHL ready.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
i’ll wait for scotty to formulate the official rangers’ reaction, but yes…they seem to have a lot of young and talented players on D, but not enough of them are putting it together at the same time, and that’s a lot of risk trying to let them all grow together. gilroy has bounced between the rags and the minors in december.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
(owning 4 rangers on my fantasy team has done wonders for the amount of reading i do about the team.)
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Haha. I hear that. Definitely not a good idea to have 4 kids and Redden and Rozy as your blueline. I guess Staal will be older by then but that is going to be some growing pains. Maybe they can just give them all half seasons and bring them along slowly like that.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Damn shame that they don’t buy into rebuilding in NY. Stepan and Grachev will be huge parts of the offense … but not for two, three seasons. As for the blueliners, Kreider will also join the youngsters but from all accounts, not for FOUR years. Sanguinetti and McDonagh are both studs but Sanguinetti has been the subject of trade rumours ever since MDZ passed the nine games-played mark.
It is just a shame that they are wasting Hank’s stellar netminding and an actually healthy Gaborik by surrounding them with so much … crap.
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by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
And Staal’s contract is coming up soon – he is an RFA next season – which could be trouble …
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by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I always remember Neil Smith saying NY would not accept a rebuild. There will probably be a couple good years when those guys bloom before they are all forced out of town because Sather can’t afford them. Quite an admirable collection of American born prospects, hopefully they pan out for the sake of Team USA.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Agreed on that point. USA! USA! USA!
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by Scotty Hockey on Dec 29, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
Without alienating myself too much (I hope), USA’s going to have to play above their level to just win a bronze.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
You don’t know how torn up I am.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
i remember being disappointed that summer when drury was priced out of the caps’ plans. nylander, drury and gomez all the same summer…bad contract apocalypse for UFA centers.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Couple of interesting things about this trade:
1) The only guys on the Caps who are signed for as long or longer than Jason Chimera are Ovechkin and Green. Of course, the only guys signed for as long or longer than Clark were Green, Ovechkin, and Tom Poti.
2) I think Columbus really needs Juice more than they need Clark. They’ve been hurting for for defensemen – any defensemen – ever since Rusty Kesla got injured. As emotional as we are about Clark (and I admit to being upset myself), I think he’s just gravy in this trade to Columbus.
3) Chimera definitely fits a role this team needs. Not just the “big, physical role-player-who-can-drop-the-gloves” sort of guy, but also the “speedy-forward-who-can-wreak-havoc-when-he’s-in-on-the-forecheck” guy. That we get both in one is a huge bonus.
4) The cap room is huge, but not because of who we get in a trade (though that may be huge) or additional salary for Backstrom. Instead, this move frees up cap room to resign B-Mo, Fehr, and Flash. All are UFA or RFA at the end of this year, and if Flash and Fehr both end up with 20+ goals and/or 50+ points, they’ll be looking for a raise. If B-Mo finishes with 50+ points, he’ll definitely be looking for more than 1.5 million a year. If Fehr and Flash can be resigned for 1.5-2 million each, and B-Mo can be resigned in the range of 2-2.5 mil for a short period of time, it’s a huge win for the Caps.
so people are describing him as a bigger, faster bradley who loses fewer fights.
is brads now obsolete?
No, the problem was that we needed more guys like Brads.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
but when matt cooke’s contract ran out, the choice was presented as bradley or cooke, not both.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
Right. And Brads was the better choice. But team toughness is a team thing. Getting in on the forecheck and punishing D is a team thing. As much as Clark was willing to do all that, he couldn’t really do it. Chimera is an upgrade in the tangible part of the game, GMGM is just banking that there is still enough leadership in the remaining guys to make up for the loss we will feel from Clark.
In an ideal world all ten fingers would be on my left hand so my right hand could just be a fist for punching.
Cooke don’t fight.
(also, Cooke’s a punk)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 29, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just trying to imagine what our 3rd and 4th lines will look like from here on out. if the caps add an expensive C and try to roll 3 legit scoring lines, then the amount of room available for a grinder like bradley becomes even smaller.
by Natty Bumppo on Dec 29, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but if the team adds a Jason Arnott, your third line looks something like Chimera, Arnott, Laich, and you start going nuts, because it’s a scoring line that grinds.
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by Whiter Mage on Dec 29, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
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