Caps recall Alzner, Wilson, assign Perreault
"The Washington Capitals have recalled defenseman Karl Alzner and center Kyle Wilson from the Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League (AHL) and assigned center Mathieu Perreault to Hershey, vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today."
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I do like Wilson too. He brings a different set of skills than Perreault. Ultimately, I think Perreault has the better upside, but right now I think this team needs a little more of what Wilson brings — especially with Dave Steckel playing poorly and Boyd Gordon out.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Seconded. Sad to see 85 go, but here’s hoping he makes the most out of it.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Smartest move GMGM has made this season.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Standing ovation for MP. 18 games, 7 points, +4 rating, almost 9% shooting percentage. Showed intensity, vision, and made that third line better, not worse. That’s certainly not the last we’ll be seeing of him!
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by winterion on Dec 14, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
while i completely agree that MP proved this worth w/ the big club…. However the past few games he seemed to lose a step or two.. IMO .. (maybe sickness that he had..)…. But the experience he gained playing here is only going to make Hershey even that more deadly.
I think in the future he is going to be a huge asset to the Caps at the center position.
It was good for MP to get a taste. Hope he’s ready to take a job next Fall.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
I agree compleately, but im sure the Bourque lobby might have something to say about that last roster spot…
And anyone that saw him play for the Pens, and MP play for the Caps has something in response.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think the Bourque lobby in general has disbanded. If he couldn’t do anything in Pitt, he’s surely not going to do much here.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I’m still around, and I’m still pro-Bourque (ordered a white 56 yesterday, in fact!) but the roster spot to replace MP is a center, and Kyle Wilson is a native C. If we lost a winger for a period of time, that’s something else entirely.
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Yup, and “Bourque or Giroux” is a pretty easy decision for me…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I never saw him play as a Pen, and I always appreciated him as a Cap, but my expectations/hopes for him and what he could be for us have significantly dwindled. He is more W than C, but he’ll have to regain my attention.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
So we have Erskine, Green, Jurcina, ShaMo, Pothier, Poti, Schultz, Sloan, and now Alzner. Even if Sloan is moved to forward, that’s still eight D. I believe they’re all healthy unless I’m forgetting something? I’m wondering if Sloan is going to be sent down.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions
He’s the one I wasn’t sure about when I looked through the recent line-ups. Thanks all.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I also don’t think Sloan will be playing any D except in an emergency capacity. And that would have to be a real emergency.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
“One to six weeks,” apparently.
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He’s fortnight-to-fortnight.
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by macvechkin on Dec 14, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Nice.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Pay the man shirley.
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by Chris meet Alex on Dec 14, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
If Sloan isn’t assigned now, he likely will when Laing is activated.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Something is going to happen soon, no way is GMGM is purposely keeping 9 DM
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
The MP demotion makes sense, and Wilson coming up to replace him makes sense, but the fact we now have 8 “healthy” d-men… not so much.
Is a move coming?
Eight healthy defensemen isn’t anything new. Plus I’m not sure I’d call Sloan a defenseman at this point.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
That’s right…he’s a “Swingman”
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Trading with Chicago?
Does anyone think a trade with Chicago is in the works? Clearly we have a good number of contracts ending this year that should be enticing to Chicago.
I doubt it. Chicago doesn’t have much cap space, so they’ll probably want to keep it, and I don’t see who on the Capitals roster they want, especially since McPhee has to want to move a defenseman.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Additionally, Chicago is a buyer, for sure. They have a real shot at the Cup this season and that window may not stay open long; I’m sure Scotty and Stan are acutely aware of that fact.
I just don’t see them trading for draft picks unless it’s to move Sopel or Barker for next season’s cap and even that move is much more likely to come at the deadline.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 14, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I can see GMGM trading Pothier/Morrisonn/Jurcina and mabye Fehr/Flash/mid draft picks for Versteeg/Sharp. Then Chicago can dump Sopel/barker somewhere with the comfort of having just as good a Dmen but cheaper and gone after the season.
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I could see Chicago moving Sopel and picking up Jurcina because the drop off in skill might not be as big as the drop off in dollars, but there’s no way the Capitals get Versteeg or Sharp for that kind of package. Chicago’s interest in a forward with questions isn’t going to be very high, and they’d be able to get more somewhere else.
Basically if Chicago makes a move to free up cap space, they’re going to look to free up more than that gives them. If they make a move to improve their roster, they’re going to look for guys who are clearly better than the ones they have now.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t want to take on multi-year money of over $3m just yet, especially when we’re still trying to figure out what money/terms to give Backjizz.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
chicago would love to move campbell. Caps would be dumb to do it though
by Garyland1177 on Dec 14, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Any team would be dumb to take Campbell. His contract is a complete albatross, kind of like Redden’s.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 14, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I could see Chicago needing a goalie. Don’t see them wanting much else. And I don’t see them selling good players for picks or prospects or anything like that.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Corey says that Boyd Gordon is back on the ice today. Q is returning sometime in the near future too. Maybe the Caps figured they would give Wilson a look while they still had the space? MP’s recent struggles couldn’t have helped his cause either. Regardless, MP showed a lot and I’m excited to see more of him in the future.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions
Gordo back on the ice, even for a light skate, is a good sign!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Hopefully we get the faceoff-winning, penalty-killing Gordo back and not the inopportune-penalty-taking Gordo.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
It was the back spasms causing the stick infractions.
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
So how will the current situation, having all the extra D men, affect that group? Do they tend to play better or worse when something like this happens? I wonder if Sloan not playing in the back to back games is a sign that he will be gone pretty soon.
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I dunno. I don’t think Sloan was ever intended to be an every day, or even every-other day, guy, no matter how much they talked him up.
However, now that there is an extra roster spot and about $5 mil in cap space freed up, the need to have a swingman like Sloan is considerably less. Which sucks for him.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I bet MP’s bank account is thanking him for getting out. Rookie dinner and all…
"And next year it will be ours."
The difference in pay would more than cover his share of the rookie dinner (is Varly going on the trip, just for the dinner?).
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I’ll say. MP’s AHL salary: $62,500. NHL salary: $675,000. That’s quite a jump.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
MP, playing 18 games, would stand to collect $148,170.73, if my math is correct.
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They do not get paid based on games played. Players get paid based on days on the NHL roster. There are 193 days in the NHL regular season for 2009-2010.
FYI, by my count Perreault has been on the NHL roster for 38 days (I may be off by a day or two.)
The general concept is accurate about earning much more in the NHL, esp. when an entry-level contract player is recalled from the AHL.
I count 41 days. Nov. 3 – Dec. 14. So based on that, and assuming my math is correct, MP made $143,393.78 during his time here.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
There were “paper” transactions demoting Perreault (technically the player is supposed to report to Hershey) on the days when the Caps were off, which is why our numbers are a little different.
Gotcha. Makes sense.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes.
by hotdog88gt on Dec 14, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
everyone’s talking about the extra d we’re carrying now. I’ve also heard rumors that the Caps were sniffing around Niedermayer of Anaheim. With them in the tanbk this year, you think we could package two of our younger nhl D / expiring contracts for 1 Scott – i.e. Jurcina + Morrison for Niedermayer. Is that too much?
With them in the tanbk this year, you think we could package two of our younger nhl D / expiring contracts for 1 Scott – i.e. Jurcina + Morrison for Niedermayer. Is that too much?
That alone is way too little.
I think Niedermayer’s a good fit for a number of reasons, but where did you hear the rumors.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
I think you’d have a hard time selling that package for ROB Niedermayer.
Or Douglas.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Does Doug N. come with a pppledge ppppin?
by mechanicsville on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it would take much to land Niedermayer considering he is getting 6mil and his contract is up after this season I believe. I think and D man and a prospect/draft pick should do it
by Garyland1177 on Dec 14, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Morrisonn’s going to have minimal, if any, appeal to Anaheim, and a fourth round pick isn’t much. Perreault’s good, but I’d be surprised if Anaheim can’t get something better somewhere else.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Moreover, Morrisonn’s just missed three weeks with a concussion (if memory serves). Unless he starts channeling Mike Lalor or plays for another contract, I think he may not be as easy to unload.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
was it really 3 weeks? I thought it was shorter, but its not unknown for me to lose time.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
Left the Rangers 11/17 game, returned 12/7. Granted he was skating a good portion of those days.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
ShaMo and a first might be good enough for Anaheim. Just because ShaMo being UFA this year means Anaheim is literally just dumping salary and getting a first. They’re not going to make the playoffs barring massive underperformance from about three teams and a miracle run themselves.. so keeping Nieds around isn’t on the top of their priority list, especially since they can re-sign him come July 1.
But surely another team would be willing to offer more. It’s not about what makes sense for Anaheim, it’s about what makes the MOST sense for Anaheim.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
emphasis on might. But It’s possible… there aren’t that many contending teams that could take at least 1.25M in cap even by the deadline (Pitts, Philly, Chicago, Calgary all wouldn’t be able to, off the top of my head), unless they move some players of their own.
Hmm. I would definitely pay a higher price than that for Nieds though.
exactly. Plus not many “contending” teams need a top 2 D man. At least the teams you listed don’t
by Garyland1177 on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Should have read this before I posted. My bad.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not “will that be enough for ANA” that is the question. It’s “will someone else offer more?” I have to believe someone who wants the Cup will pony up more than a first and Shamo.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Ehh, wishful thinking. Don’t really want to part with anyone I really want to stay on the team. Man, GMs have it tough.
by red army line on Dec 15, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Keep in mind that the Ducks will likely hold Niedermayer until the deadline so that they can get a bidding war going and get more teams in on it with a lower cap hit. It’s going to take a real prospect (maybe Carlson-level, which I assume would be a non-starter for GMGM but probably not for some other team), perhaps a Mo/Juice-type D, and a high draft pick, I think.
I think he’s the right guy to target, and frankly the Caps perhaps should give up something significant to get him, but it’s not going to be that easy.
I wouldn’t want niedermayer, we would have to give up to much and receive very little in return. He might be a very experienced guy but he is way past his prime and has a very high cap hit. Also we have poither/alzner/green who are all similiar players. I don’t want to trade for any Dman unless he’s a proven crease mover.
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Also we have poither/alzner/green who are all similiar players.
No way, no how. Green was better than Nieds last season but Nieds is still head and shoulders above Pothier and Alzner. That’s not even a comparison at this point.
I cannot think of a better mentor for Mike Green and Carl Alzner than Scott Niedermayer. Not one.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 14, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This. This. This.
Bottom line: How many of our D are currently better than Special Nieds?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Obviously price is key, but there’s no reason not to want Scott Niedermayer.
The cap hit doesn’t matter much because the contract’s up after this year. He may be past his prime, but he’s so good that past his prime is still pretty darn good. Crease-clearing is overrated for defensemen, especially these days. What a good d-man does now it skate well, play position, avoid mistakes, and get the puck out of his zone. Niedermayer does that as well as anyone. Besides, not wanting anyone if they’re a crease clearer isn’t a great approach. Even if you think Crease Clearer > Niedermayer, Niedermayer is still > current Caps defense.
Honestly, of guys who might be available at the deadline, I can’t think of a single one who’s a better fit for the Capitals than Niedermayer.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
true, but as you said price is key. If it gonna cost us an arm and a leg he isn’t worth it considering how poorly he has played this season. Sure his wisdom and experence is something that really could benefit green/alzner but not if it’s gonna cost us big i don’t want him.
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
He has value as a mentor and locker room guy, no doubt, but I think he’s got enough left in the tank to be good through the rest of this season and the playoffs. I don’t think he’s been bad when I’ve seen him, and his numbers aren’t bad. Even not being as good as he’s been if he comes to Washington he immediately becomes the team’s #2 defenseman, at worst.
As for price, it’s looking more and more like Anaheim is going to sell, which means the team that gets Niedermayer is the one that offers the most. It’s hard to say what that will be, but I’d be more than happy with the Capitals making an offer of a good prospect, an okay prospect, and a first rounder.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
The problem is that these are the same guys who wanted a literal arm and a leg from us last year for Pronger. I don’t think we’ll be dealing with them.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
That’s a different situation, though. They wanted a lot for Pronger because they didn’t feel they needed to move him – they made the playoffs last year and he was under contract for 09-10, so the offer had to be worth the value they were losing in losing Pronger.
Niedermayer’s contract is up at the end of this year, and the Ducks are in last place in the West right now. If that continues, and they’re clearly not going to make the playoffs, there’s zero value in holding Niedermayer through the end of the season. Realistically, they’d be better off moving him for a fourth round pick than keeping him for nothing. In that situation, where a guy’s going to get dealt, you don’t have to make it “worth it” for the team you’re dealing with, you just have to make the highest offer.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
A related question is going to be how many other contenders are going to have the cap space to make that deal? Detroit/Grand Rapids may have just gifted us first position, and if the number of teams eligible is low, the cost won’t be ridiculous.
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Depends when a deal happens. If it doesn’t go down until the deadline, a team would be okay with ~$1.25M in space.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
DMG – i’ve agreed with everything your saying about Niedermayer – he checks too, too many boxes not to pursue and his contract convienently ends at the end of the season. I also don’t think the asking price for him will be high either – a team in last place is not going to re-sign a 36 yr old D, especially for the money he commands. Why can’t we offer of an expiring contract (ShaneMo, Pothier) + a young nhl dman (Juice, Sloan, Erskine) + a prospect/mid-round pick for Niedermayer? It does not take away from our core and we need to clear 2 d spots anyway to fit Alzner and Niedermayer. It’s addition by addition and subtraction. Sure we’re giving up some stuff some of us don’t want to swallow, but when will we pull the trigger ala Pitt and Philly the past 3 years to put us over the top!
Why can’t we offer of an expiring contract (ShaneMo, Pothier) + a young nhl dman (Juice, Sloan, Erskine) + a prospect/mid-round pick for Niedermayer?
Morrisonn, Pothier, Jurcina, and Sloan all have contracts running up after this season, and Erskine’s a 6/7 at best. There’s virtually no value there (there might be negative value in salary that’s paid out), so the trade is essentially a prospect or a mid round pick for Niedermayer. I’d be very surprised if someone out there’s going to be willing to give up more than that.
Sure we’re giving up some stuff some of us don’t want to swallow
I don’t know. I don’t think the players you named have all that much value to the Capitals, neither does a mid round pick. I don’t see an asset that’s going to cause people much grief being lost in that scenario.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly no heartache from me offering up any or all of that for Nieds.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Pitt didn’t give up that much to get what they needed, and Philly … Hasn’t gotten a whole lot of bang for their buck so far. I think it’s going to be a matter not of “how much” but of “what” come spring.
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by gotsparkly on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just like Jizz
it’s all about the money. How much. We want to have all the great players, but money is always an issue.
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
but I’d be more than happy with the Capitals making an offer of a good prospect, an okay prospect, and a first rounder.
Agreed. Take Semyon and Carlznerson off the table and let ANA have the pick of the litter. I also wouldn’t mind GMGM bidding the package up so that if NJD makes a run at him they have to sell their entire farm. We are in an enviable position for the contenders in that we have prospects to burn. NJD doesn’t really. Lou is a genius, everyone knows that, but just like Jim Rutherford he hasn’t exactly built a prospect pool that lends itself to long term success. If NJD wants to try to rehash the glory days and make a run for Nieds, make them break the fucking bank. They have the 29th ranked prospect pool (HockeysFuture) and we can definitely match any offer they make that doesn’t kill their farm. If they want to kill the farm, fine. They’ve got a few talented young players, but they are getting old fast. Time to slay that beast.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I really want Niedermeyer but in my book you can add MP, Mackan, and Orlov to the untouchable list.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Orlov is definitely not on my untouchable list because of Shultz, Green, Carlznerson. I don’t want to move Mackan or MP, but moving one of them is acceptable since they both seem like they could be a long term 2C/W option.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. One of Mackan/MP needs to stay.
by red army line on Dec 14, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Anyway, I could expand my list if I legitimately thought that adding Niedermayer to this team made them Cup-worthy. He definitely would make us better, but I don’t know if we’re close enough as it is. If we give up a top prospect, don’t win the Stanley Cup, and don’t retain Niedermayer (or whoever we get in return) for next season, what’s the point?
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed – but I think Carlson, Alzner, and Varlamov are the only “top prospects” in the Caps’ organization.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Orlov and Mackan both have a shot at being blue chips, too – it’s no mistake that they were both playing Senior leagues at 18.
That said, i wouldn’t get rid of Mackan, MP, Carlznerson, Orlov, Varly, or Neuvy, yet. I don’t think there’s, frankly, any chance of Varly and Carlznerson moving, but I’d like to keep everyone else around for at least one more season before considering parting with them – Neuvy, especially.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Why don’t you think the Caps are cup contenders, especially with Niedermayer? The offensive firepower is well documented, and if you add him the D pairs might look something like:
Green-Schultz
Niedermayer-Pothier
Alzner-Poti
That would be a pretty strong D corps, especially in terms of moving the puck out and starting the breakout, which was a big issue for them in the playoffs last year. I’d argue that they’re contenders as is anyway.
Because I’m a typical self-loathing Capitals fan.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I think there’s a small difference between going deep in the postseason and actually playing for the whole thing. Like last year, this team has trouble playing consistent hockey over 60 minutes, and had trouble closing out the first round as a result. And they’re still having trouble doing it occasionally this year so far, hence the apprehension.
Didn’t mean to spin your joke so seriously man, I’m just trying to kill some time.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, it wasn’t really a joke. You pretty much expanded on my thought perfectly. It’s just somewhat hard (painful?) to think about, hence the excuse. We have a good team—a great team—, but I’m not sure if it’s great enough to overcome the trial by fire that is the playoffs.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
What would fill the gap for you then, if not Nieds?
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
Years of experience for our current guys.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
You’re tough to please, but Pitt managed to do it last year with a roster full of kids, especially those guys that really matter. From my outsiders view, Billy G was a missing cog for them, Nieds might be that guy for the Caps.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
And Nieds now is much better than Guerin was last year. Their D was a little better than ours is (even with Nieds probably) but our O is much deeper than theirs. I think with Nieds we are immediately a Cup contender. with the D we have gone with so far, I don’t. Alzner is a definite upgrade but it’s hard to put that much on a kid’s shoulders.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Caps are already a cup contender, and with Niedermayer they would move into the “Favorite(s)” category. There’s no question in my mind that they will need to make a move like that to put them over the top, and the question is mostly just whether this is the year to do it. Reasonable minds can differ on that one.
We are just parsing terms. I use “contender” to mean favorite. As to your last point, you are correct.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think an Alzermeyer upgrade puts this team over the top, personally. I still just don’t see Anaheim being nearly as easy to deal with the feeling seems to be. I know the logic behind his “one and done” and all that, I just don’t see another BIlly G. type steal with Niedermeyer.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That should read “as the feeling” and obviously I don’t mean Nieds for a 4th – I think a D and a prospect and a pick is still cheapshit for ANA.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. He’s going to demand a king’s ransom. Does GMGM have the stones to match what other teams are going to offer?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
But are we really okay with giving up Neuvy and one (or two) of MP, Mackan, or Orlov (and they’ll obviously be asking for Varlamov and Carlznerson first, and maybe only) for essentially one shot?
I don’t think GMGM makes that move.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure they’d want Neuvy now. I’d part with Orlov and MP or Mackan. Varly and Carlznerson are hands off. You don’t give those guys up unless you are getting a stud D that you are going to have through their prime. Talk to me when CHI starts shopping Barker and Seabrook (especially Seabrook).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Seabrook is badass, I’ll give you that, but I’m just not ready to give up Mackan until we’ve seen what he can do. Then again, that’s the whole point of a prospect, isn’t it? Just call me ConservativePartner.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
It’s cool. I’m really high on MP and Mackan and don’t want to just see them given away. But we have several mainstays on the team already, and a large handful of F prospects. MP and Mackan are the best but at some point you need to take the plunge and make a big deal to get over the hump. When that day comes we’ll have to give up quality to get quality. Whether we are there yet is a judgment call, as grapejoos points out.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
To go along with what I just said above, I’d keep them until they’re somewhat known quantities.
But that defeats the purpose.
Why would you hold onto Mackan and not MP or Orlov? Do you expect bigger things from Mackan than Orlov?
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Mackan has the potential to be a 2nd line NHL center based on his draft position and the reports of his progress, whereas I think MP tops out as a 3rd line energy guy. I really like MP, don’t get me wrong, but you gotta give to get. I also wonder how durable MP will be, long-term. Orlov I just don’t know as much about, and the Caps already have 2 blue-chippers at D. But I like what I’ve heard so far. I do wonder what Orlov’s trade value will look like since other teams were scared off of him in the draft.
If MP tops out as a 3C he’s not going to be an NHL player. Guy is all skill. He’s top 6 or bust. Not sure what you’ve seen in him in this recent call up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen a lot of energy from him and skill, but not top-end offensive talent. If he has to make it to the 2C or better to be a NHL forward, I have a hard time imagining it happening with the Caps anytime soon. I do think he is a NHL player, though.
He’s made passes that nobody on this team but Backstrom even thinks of making. No doubt he has some work to do to make himself an offensive force, but the talent is undeniably there. It’s a question of him accepting the limits his stature creates and working around them (which he did at some points with his speed/energy).
Fair enough. Like I said, I like the guy a lot. I can see the argument for keeping him over Mackan. Just comes down to how you view unknown quantities, I think.
Let me clarify that I am in no way saying to keep one over the other, merely trying to point out that Matchoo’s offensive talent is undeniable. If he doesn’t make it it will be because he can’t take the next step in terms of adapting physically.
Exactly, but how many 21 year olds do you know that don’t physically mature any more? His legs and core are definitely going to get stronger, and that’s what he needs to have that jump for 82+ NHL games.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think it’s an interesting dichotomy. I think MP’s recent stint shows that he can survive in the NHL. I think the size knock is severely limited because he showed he could do it, even if just for a short time. He’ll mature physically and get his stamina up, but people can’t say that he’s simply too small. Mackan (who I think will succeed) and Orlov both haven’t shown anything against NHL competition yet.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Or to put it differently, Neuvy and MP are fairly known quantities to me at this point and I’m comfortable trading them (and giving up any future development they may undergo) for a stud veteran D for a shot at the cup, this year. Mackan and Orlov are more unknown, so I’m more inclined to hold them.
I think exactly the opposite: we honestly don’t know what MP or Neuvy are going to give us in the next few years. MP is giving us speed, stickhandling and passing, a la Backstrom-lite. I can only imagine what he’ll give us next year, and the year after that. Remember how we felt about Backs 2 years ago? He may not reach what Backs will still yet reach, but I think he’ll make us very proud to have kept him.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Neuvy is still effectively a project for the next 3-5 years. IMO, he’s tradable. Varlamov has already achieved #1 Goalie at the same age. We have our future in goal. I have always been the proponent of tandems, but if Neuvy can be expended for a SC-winning-piece, then so be it.
But we need MP and/or Mackan for at least a little while longer, because Mo is only here for maybe another year (as good as he’s been), and we’ll need a replacement. And one of the two is probably it.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a big fan of Neuvirth but he’s disappointed this year. My big thing with him was that he seemed to have a calm head on his shoulders, but he hasn’t shown that this season. With Holtby coming out of the gates on fire right behind him I think that makes Neuvirth more expendable; but I also don’t think Neuvirth has much value because of his recent performance. We can’t trade him for a bag of peanuts so I think we should bring him along slowly in the AHL and then trade him off if/when he shows he’s NHL competent.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Fair points all. I’m with you on Neuvirth F&B – I’ve never been more sure that Varly is the future in goal, but the problem is that other GMs will feel the same way and his value must be at an all-time low. He’ll have some time to sort it out in Hershey (and could still be the #2 in DC next year, depending on how things go). As for MP/Mackan, you guys are making sense. I may be overvaluing Mackan by a lot, and the Caps are going to need a 2C very soon. I want to keep all of these guys and get Niedermayer :)
I’d maybe consider Foote, assuming Colorado starts swooning. He’d be a cheaper get and a roster player like Juice could resign with them and maybe be a cheaper alternative to Salei, who they might lose.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Do. Not. Want. Foote.
We have enough slow feet on our blueline, don’t need another. He’s a relic from the past. A slight upgrade from D-Hatch.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t want Foote. Guy seems to have no interest playing anywhere but Colorado (and made that abundantly clear to Columbus) and he is too old and slow for the new rules.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 14, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
You sound like a pretty smart guy. Must have gone to a good college.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Likewise to you, good sir.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
What can I say, I was looking to kill time at work, this was the best I could do.
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by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Colorado starts to stink it up, I’d look for Hannan. But Colorado’s second in the West. I don’t think they’re going to be sellers.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I liked Hannan last year when he was slumping and COL needed help at the C spot. Didn’t happen then and he’s playing much better this year. Foote is probably the last D I’d want from COL (last regular D at least).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
“If we give up a top prospect, don’t win the Stanley Cup, and don’t retain Niedermayer (or whoever we get in return) for next season, what’s the point?”
Easy – you clear the logjam currently known as our defense and clear a path for Alzner and Carlson to play regular/consistent minutes next year. Throw on top the fact that for a few months Niedermayer can share his knowledge, experience, skills of trade, etc with a very young bunch will go a long way in their development. Who else on this roster has won a Cup? I believe those are points enough to pull the trigger.
But we can clear the logjam in all sorts of ways that DON’T involve trading Dmitri Orlov or Mathieu Perreault. Say, waiving Erskine/trading him for a bag of pucks. Your second point is valid but to me it’s not worth losing guys who can be key pieces in the future.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Who else on this roster has won a Cup?
Mike Knuble (albeit in severely limited playing time), right?
To further your point: Pittsburgh gave up quite a bit for a Hossa rental. Then they won the Cup.
I also don’t think it’s out of the question for Niedermayer to sign a short term deal in DC, though I think it’s very unlikely. In that case though, Semin is probably good as gone.
by red army line on Dec 15, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
To further your point: Pittsburgh gave up quite a bit for a Hossa rental. Then they won the Cup.
Not when they had Hossa they didn’t.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 15, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
"If we give up a top prospect, don’t win the Stanley Cup, and don’t retain Niedermayer (or whoever we get in return) for next season, what’s the point?"
This is what I was answering with that answer.
by red army line on Dec 16, 2009 5:08 AM EST up reply actions
With MP going back to Hershey, we could try to deal for that playmaking center that Grand Rapids just got?
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by winterion on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
If there were a way to anti-rec this would get 3.
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by Knee high to a duck on Dec 14, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, if anything, the last few games have shown the need to circle the wagons.
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by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, he’s got Goomba hair!
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by winterion on Dec 14, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If he came over — Niedermayer:Green/Alzenr:Fedorov:Semin/Ovechkin
For that reason alone I would love to see hmi in a Caps sweater.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
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i think what he was saying was; Niedermayer’s on and off ice impact on Green and Alzner would be huge, like Federov’s was to Semin and Ovie.
Yeah, i completely missed the : in between Alzner and Fedorov. Makes sense, now.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I missed all of the punctuation, actually.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, that’s what I was going for. I just remember all the talk about Semin and Ovechkin benefiting from Fedorov’s presence in the locker room, and how those guys grew up watching him. I’d have to imagine it would be similar for the young D corps with Niedermayer. So if the price was right I’d definitely make the move.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Nieds is actually a recognized leader in the NHL. Feds never had that rep and I was never that impressed with the leadership that he showed last year. Semin might have become slightly more responsible, but it certainly wasn’t a dramatic change. I expect that Nieds could in fact help Carlzner and Green though.
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
Feds may not have been a recognized leader league wide, but even GMGM himself said he was surprised by the leadership Feds provided in the locker room here. I don’t have a link but I seem to remember GMGM saying something to the effect of he signed Feds for his skills only, but the leadership Feds ended up providing turned out to be a huge bonus. Regardless, I think most of us agree that Niedermayer would be an excellent mentor to Green, Alzner, Schultz, Carlson (if he gets a call up while Niedermayer is here) on the D Corps, and would probably benefit most of the other young guys too.
Furthermore he may help stabilize the play of Poti and, to a lesser extent, Pothier. I sometimes think Poti feels the heat playing the role as the team’s “best” (Boudreau’s words) defensive defenseman and sometimes tries to do too much. Remember, that’s not the role we brought him here for, if he had someone like Niedermayer around he wouldn’t be the only seasoned veteran background and maybe that would take some pressure off of him.
The trick IMO is the price, I’d imagine Anaheim will be asking for quite a bit.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Poti is the team’s best defensive defenseman like Sloan was the team’s best D in training camp and the pre-season.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, I’m just going off of what Boudreau says. Personally I feel that Schultz is our best D in his own end. He has really impressed me with his play this year.
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
part of Feds image problem is that he was a total prima donna in Detroit and continues to take shots at Bowman to this day. And Washington is the only team he’s left on good terms. His talent for burning bridges as almost as good as his talent for hockey.
That said, he’s loved by the Caps people. According to a friend who went to Bruce’s thing at ESPN Zone on Thursday, Bruce didn’t hold back about wanting Fedorov back. “Call him up from the KHL” was the phrase used, I think.
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
You’d better think long and hard about the price. A player with Niedermayer’s pedigree and competition for his services is likely to cost two players (probably prospects) and two picks (two firsts or a first and a second). Think that price is worth it, given the uneven history of rentals?
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by ThePeerless on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
No way is Niedermayer commanding that much peerless. Unlike Hossa, Pronger or a potential Kovalchuk, Niedermayer is likely a one and done, because he will most likely retiere. There is no future with the team that gets Niedermayer and that is the big difference with why those other players trade value was so high.
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Also, there is no incentive for ANA to hold on to him. Like it has been said before, who ever can offer the most for him will get him. ANA isn’t really dictating the price for him if they aren’t gonna make the playoffs.
by CAPFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hilarious. y’all were having this discussion without me, while I was busy writing this…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thread merge!
You had to know this discussion would start immediately, though.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
So they are going to go with 9 D, 8 healthy. Not a tenable situation for very long, although I suppose the Alzner call-up reinforces the “fish or cut bait” message and makes all the D uncomfortable.
I’m sorry to see Perreault go, but hopefully it won’t be for long. Glad to hear that Gordon is skating again, but I suspect it’ll be a while before we see him in the lineup. No reason not to be cautious now.
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by gotsparkly on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I can understand why MP was sent down, he definitely has looked a bit slower the last few games. But he was still forechecking and creating chances. Whatever dream BB had of 3 scoring lines just died. This almost guarantees that foot-hands Steckel moves to the 3C and Wilson plays 4C. I’m not sure how that makes the team any better, even with MP off his adrenaline rush.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions
The way they’ve been playing, they need all the energy/keep-the-puck-out-of-our-zone-play they can get. i think it will let MP re-focus, and bring him back a better player.
And Kyle Wilson looked good in pre-season; i’m glad he’s at least getting a game.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Certainly won’t hurt the team with dumb mistakes.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
How much of this was to keep him under the 30 game mark?
"I think the relentless negative coverage in The Washington Post is a real difference from previous years," Redskins general counsel David Donovan said. "But in terms of the way our actual fans are behaving, we don't see any difference."
I’m not sure. Sk8 has been killing me on the CBA stuff so I’m just going to step away from this one.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Are you asking about accrued seasons? It’s 40 games for a skater, 30 for a goalie.
And if that is what you are asking, in that context likely not a factor given Perreault’s age. Perreault’s birthday Jan 5, ‘88. He’s 21yo, about to turn 22yo.
Accrued seasons are a factor as it relates to UFA eligibility in the current CBA. If the CBA does not change between now and then related to this rule, the current rule in place is a player being 27yo or having 7 accrued seasons. Perreault will be 27yo before the end of the 2014-15 season so summer of 2015 would be the season he hits the 27yo mark as it relates to UFA eligibility. Given he did not accrue an NHL season per the definition last season, even if he accrued a season every year including this one, it would still be the summer of 2015. Note, some people believe that the UFA eligibility could change with a new CBA.
Of course, there are other possible issues in the long-term, it is possible Perreault could have a bonus related to games played, there are waiver issues longer term based on games played, and as noted, the CBA has to be re-upped in the future.
I think while player transactions/managing the roster are always issues, in this case, it is likely reading too much in to the move; just my opinion.
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A semi-random sampling of D going UFA in the summer include:
Niedermayer, Scott (ANA)
Kubina, Pavel (ATL)
Morris, Derek (BOS)
Ward, Aaron (CAR)
Salei, Ruslan (COL)
Foote, Adam (COL)
Lidstrom, Nicklas (DET)
Leopold, Jordan (FLA)
Johnsson, Kim (MIN)
Zidlicky, Marek (MIN)
Hamhuis, Dan (NSH)
Martin, Paul (NJD)
Sutton, Andy (NYI)
Volchenkov, Anton (OTT)
Aucoin, Adrian (PHX)
Gonchar, Sergei (PIT)
Blake, Rob (SJS)
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Nieds, Martin, and maybe Volchenkov are the only ones that really appeal to me. Johnsson, maybe. Ward, maybe. Not especially exciting to me, and I don’t expect Martin to be lured away from NJ.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions
Aaron Ward blows. He’s having a terrible season. Martin isn’t going anywhere, and I don’t think Volchenkov is either. Maybe a guy like Leopold could help but I don’t think he fits our need. I love Hamhuis so I’d jump at the chance to get him.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. Ward is available for free right now, and the Caps would be foolish to take him even at that price.
Ward fills a role we don’t have, which is the only reason I brought him up – I intended my ‘maybe’ to be less interested, but :shrug:. We don’t need Leopold (and certainly won’t once we have Carlson/Orlov/both up here), and I don’t know much about Hamhuis.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hamhuis...
…just might be a great fit for the Capitals. He’s kinda like Jurcina with better defense and more offense. And…he stays healthy.
If the Capitals worked out a package deal for Hamhuis and Belak, I wouldn’t be too upset about that.
Belak would be a great throw in for a team that could use a fighter. But Hamhuis is much better than Juice. He’s smaller and less physical but his puck and skating skills are so much better.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why I said he was Jurcina with better defense and more offense. “Defense” and “offense” pretty much covers what a hockey player does on the ice, methinks….
Gotcha. I just bristled because Juice is much bigger, more physical, and not anywhere near the same quality of player. I like Hamhuis a lot so you offended the Hamhuis-fan-boy in me.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hamhuis isn’t huge (6’1") but he skates very well. He’s not hitting like Scott Stevens but he’s strong on his feet and a tough customer. He’s not going to put up tons of points but he moves the puck more than adequately. He’s solid all around, but not really spectacular in any area. I think he’d be a great 4/5 man for us, depending on how much ice Alzner is ready for.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
JP tweeted this today, but if the Caps grabbed Ward on re-entry and waived Erskine, I wouldn’t be upset. Ward gives a similar element with more playoff experience and his contract ends after this year.
What a high bar
I guess I’d be cool with that.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Especially because CAR would still be on the hook for half the price.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Ward fills a role we don’t have,
I believe Erskine is already the team’s Incompetent Defenseman.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No need for Ward. We’ve got Bradley and his papery skin to absorb any sucker punches thrown our way! And he’s smart enough to do it in the first period when the power play means something as opposed to 3 minutes remaining in a game that’s already decided!
by BradleyFightingVehicle on Dec 14, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ward’s been waived.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 15, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Turns out Alex Ovechkin’s hits aren’t the only thing that have no place in the NHL.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 15, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amazing.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 15, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
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