Monday Caps Clips: Happy "Nylander's Gone" Day
by J.P. on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 AM EST
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Your savory breakfast links:
- In case you missed it... our long national (capital area) nightmare is over. [Japers' Rink]
- More from In The Room, the WaPo, the Grand Rapids Press and elsewhere.
- If Semyon Varlamov turns out to be the real deal, the Caps will have themselves a rarity - a goalie taken in the first round who panned out. [Hockey Or Die!]
- Jim Matheson says Mike Green makes Team Canada. He also says Michael Nylander might go to Finland, so "grain of salt" and all that. [Edmonton Journal]
- "In a deal to be announced Monday, the Capitals have partnered with OptionIt on a service that lets fans buy options on tickets in advance for about half their face value, and then lets them eventually pay for the ticket in full or sell it to other fans." Um, ok. [WSJ]
- If you like free money, here's a deal for you - spend $15, and get $30 to spend at RFD, a great pre- or post-game watering hole. [Living Social]
- Speaking of goalies, good to see OFB's non-NHL netminder obsession moving from beauty pageant contestants to webmasters. [OFB]
- "Ups and Downs" coming up at 11:00.
- Finally, happy 48th birthday to Peter Sundstrom and happy 43rd to Bill Ranford.
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Merry Cap Space and Happy New Assets!
It looks like the man in the upper left corner of that picture is equally excited about Nylander leaving.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 7:55 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow. I thought today was going to be a ho-hum Monday. Happiness all around!
I could have been equipment manager, but nooooo!
And don’t forget, Ups and Downs are yet to come.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
Can the circle be broken?
Yes. Yes it can
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think that first one is Pro-Nylander: “Can The Circle Be _Un_broken?”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Turns out Nyls is a family man and did not appreciate the no-pants policy.
You're the reason that I hate Nova Scotia.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Family-something. you mean. No man isn’t okay with the no pants policy.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
My sources were at Verizon Center...
When the news went down….they took a pic for me
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 AM EST reply actions
A bit harsh, no? We all wanted Nylander off the payroll, but the guy has been nothing short of the consumate professional in the way he’s handled this very public humiliation. I can’t think of many other pro athletes who would have taken it so well.
We’ve been round and round on this issue a lot. I’m conflicted too. But at the end of the day, Nylander’s contract was a huge thorn in the team’s side, so I think a little humor at his expense is OK, even if he was a decent guy through all of it. But yeah, I don’t want to see any personal attacks on his character either. That would leave a bad taste.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
“round and round” was a bit of a bad pun. The rest is serious. It was a tough situation on everyone, and Nylander could have handled it much worse.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well…at least we know that with things that go round and round, what goes around comes around
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
like a record player.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s be clear about a couple things though -
1) Nylander is paid by the Caps and is their employee. If he didn’t like the humiliation, he was free to retire.
2) He apparently wasn’t very grounded in reality with his demands for playing in Russia and the vibe I got was that in private, he was very difficult to deal with.
I think we’re lavishing him kudos just for not being a total a-hole. That’s Sports-2010 I guess.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
Well there’s the other side to that coin too…
He’s owed $8.5 million on his contract including this season. If he were to retire, he would forfeit every penny of that.
Furthermore, he clearly felt he could still play the game even though there was a disagreement between the player and management on that subject. Management gave him veto power over any move before the final year of the contract too.
It wasn’t the best of situations for anybody involved but you have to admire the way both parties conducted themselves throughout the whole thing. The Caps could have trashed him the whole time in the press and refused to work out any deal to get him back on the ice where he could earn his salary. It is just one of those unfortunate situations that sometimes occurs.
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Everybody Wang Chung......
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Wow! Completely missed this news yesterday.
So, did he waive his NMC?
You can't "FЯEE ALEX" because it's impossible to contain him in the first place.
by PaintDrinkingPete on Dec 14, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions
I don’t think it’s a matter of “waiving” his NMC. It just means he must approve all his transactions, whether trades, loans, or waiver placement. But what the hell, it’s just semantics.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Same thing – it’s a temporary waiver (i.e. the clause doesn’t go away just because he allowed the team to put him on waivers twice and approved this loan). To answer the initial question, yes, he had to approve this move.
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the clause doesn’t go away just because he allowed the team to put him on waivers twice and approved this loan
That’s what I was getting at. He’s not getting rid of the clause from his contract. He simply has the final say on all transactions.
Just for the hell of it, and because I bothered to look it up, from the CBA:
A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player,
whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim
…
The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or
reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in
accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty-four (24)
hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed
rejected.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Some credit is due to Mr. Getz
I’m almost certain Nylander’s situation is going to play out like this: he comes to camp, participates in drills, maybe even gets in a preseason game or two. The season starts and it becomes clear to him that he’s simply not a part of the team’s plans and isn’t going to play. Mid-November/early-December he goes on loan to a Russian team.
by David M. Getz on Sep 4, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff there. The timing isn’t exactly right, nor is the loan location, but at a time when we all thought this would be done in a matter of a few days or weeks, David correctly surmised that this whole thing would take a while to play out.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, is there a new Rink archivist in the wings?
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
But what’s the endgame on all this. Grand Rapids certainly can’t be where Nylander wants to finish the season. Is it Russia, Finland, maybe the Red Wings?
I’ve been rounding up reactions from lots of places – the Grand Rapids Press guy makes a good argument as to why it won’t be the Red Wings.
ALEX, FЯEE
I think he wants to play in the NHL. If you’re Nylander, you know a few things:
- the longer you wait, the more palatable your contract gets. (By the trade deadline, he’ll be downright affordable…)
- the longer you wait, the less likely anyone is to take you because of conditioning concerns
So what you need to do is get to somewhere you can play, keep your conditioning up, show the league what you can do. Grand Rapids seems to give him everything he needs.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The contract $$$$$ may get more palatable, but the salary cap hit gets worse and worse.
He would really only become attractive to a team that is looking to boost themselves above the floor for cap purposes but it is highly unlikely that he would want to play for those teams.
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True, the later in the season, the lower the hit. But the cap number is $4.875 million and there’s one more year after this one. Because the contract was front loaded, he only makes $3 million next year but is charged $4.875 million to cap in the final year of the deal.
That kind of “dead money” is only palatable to a team looking to get itself over the salary floor while not actually having to pay the minimum salary.
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Everybody Wang Chung......
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But with his NMC expiring, he can be sent to the minors/whatever and not count against the cap. Also, in response to your post above this one, I think it’s clear that he’ll play for any NHL team that will take him.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
True, the Caps can do with him as they please next year, but he could refuse to report to a team. I seriously doubt he’d play for just any NHL team because if that were the case, he would have been long gone by now.
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Re: refusing to report — don’t think this matters, as then he’d still be off the salary cap.
Re: he would’ve been long gone by now — uh… what? We tried shopping him EVERYWHERE. Nowhere would take him. All along this has been about Nylander’s desire to play in the NHL conflicting with the reality that no team wanted him at his cap hit.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 14, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think what this move does is it allows Nylander to still be seen by other NHL clubs, whereas a move to Russia would’ve made it easier for him to be “out of site, out of mind.” Plus, the Russian teams apparently weren’t keen on giving him an “out” clause in the event that an NHL team was interested.
I think Nylander still wants to play in the NHL this season (to say nothing of 2010-11), and he feels that this gives him the best chance at making that happen.
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Makes sense. Now the question is how many contract spaces do the Caps still have left? The total is 50, right? And does Nyls still count against that total?
I believe he does count against that number, but the team’s got room – they’re only at around 45, if I’m not mistaken (I’ll go back and check).
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Nylander’s in the AHL, same as Karl Alzner. His contract counts against the contract limit, same as Karl Alzner’s does.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
From one of my posts yesterday:
By my count, the Caps contract count stands at 45 for the 2009-2010 season.
The count is 48 including Bourque returning to the organization and Eakin’s signing. Then subtract the 2 contracts for 18yo/19yo players returned/playing in the CHL: Della Rovere and Eakin. It is my understanding that Anton G’s contract also does not count due to age and assignment. Also, Dovgan’s contract is gone from the count, but was there when people were discussing the counts in the off-season.
And yes Nylander is still under contract with the Caps and his contract continues to count as one of the 45.
Someone explained how to quote a post from another thread, but I think I need a refresher :)
You can link directly to your comment by clicking on the date/time stamp in the comment right next to your name, then copy/paste the resultant URL.
ALEX, FЯEE
by EmilyB on Dec 14, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And the quote function is there between the title field and the text field when you hit reply (or when you start a new post at the bottom of the screen. The quote function is the blue quotation mark. Just put the quote between the two bracketed things that say “blockquote” and you’ll be good to go.
[blockquote] THING YOU’RE QUOTING GOES HERE [/blockquote]
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
45 roster spots plus the $4 million+ in cap room gives the Caps all the flexibility they need come trade deadline time. My wish list includes the obvious: a shutdown defenseman. And the not so obvious: a backup goalie to replace Theo. I think Varly is good enough to win a Cup this season, but his injuries scare me. I’ve defended Theo in the past but not any more. His inconsistency has convinced me that there’s no way he can stand up during a Cup run. They may never need him, but, imo, the Caps need to get themselves a veteran backup keeper with playoff experience who could step in if Varly should falter or get injured.
how about Osgood?
Rock the Red! Rock the White! Rock the Blue! Rock the Pens!
by RedskinFan4Life on Dec 14, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
Ozzie is exactly what we're talking about, but
If I’m Ken Holland, I don’t want two pretty much unknowns as my goaltending tandem come postseason (only reason Howard was known before this season was for failing to take the starting reins from Ozzie).
Osgood would be nice, but I don’t think DET lets him go easily. If they go after someone like Nabokov though, it could work (though DET will have a tough time with the cap).
by red army line on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
I found this here:
Teams have four different "roster" limits to balance under the league’s regulations; a 20-player "dressed list" for games, a 23-player active NHL roster, a 50-contract maximum, and a 90-player maximum reserve list.
"So much on my mind I just can't recline. Blastin' holes in the night 'til she bled sunshine."
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 14, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
And in the most recent CBA, Mike Keenan’s “shit list” was limited to only five players at a time.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Which is why he can’t coach anymore.
You're the reason that I hate Nova Scotia.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
That Optionlt setup sounds like a good idea for this out-of-town (Richmond VA) fan who regularly shakes his head at the availability and price of Caps tix on StubHub. (Got up to 5 games last year and paid roughly face value for lower bowl seats each time. But only the Wings game was a “premium match-up”). Might call the ticket office today to find out more.
I HATE variable pricing. I understand the reasons for it, but I still hate it.
Ron and Fez 11 to 3
by YvonLabresMoustache on Dec 14, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how paying 150% of the TicketRapist price is ever going to be good for fans, except for the occasions so rare that the street price would have been off the chart. We’re talking SCF probably, and that’s it.
Thumbs down.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
You’re probably right. I think I’ll be sticking with StubHub for the few times per year I get to DC.
Speaking of street prices, does anyone have experience with the dudes on the sidewalk outside of VC? Is there a reasonable selection, and are their prices at all reasonable?
by mechanicsville on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
don’t stub hub, use the Rink Rat Ticket Exchange!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
by RedBirdie on Dec 14, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I definitely look at the exchange, but it’s been really limited to this point. Catch-22 here, I suspect. Rink Rats are such good fans that tix are rarely given up. (StubHub works pretty well the need arises.)
by mechanicsville on Dec 14, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is finally appropriate...
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Emo Bunny Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Corey just tweeted Alzner at Kettler. So when is he on a plane to Denver?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Addendum, I didn’t realize the team was here in town, I thought they went straight to Colorado. What do I know?
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
It’s not just you; I thought they were playing tonight.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Ha ha. I could have sworn I read that they were going to practice Monday in Colorado, but obviously I was hallucinating.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Shrooms will do that to ya… I thought I had done something of the sort when I looked at the story last night too…
Turns out I was not hallucinating.
cmasisak2224 minutes ago: A team official said the #Caps had to change its travel plans because the heavy fog last night prevented the plane from getting to Dulles
.
cmasisak2221 minutes ago: @CapsFanVa Team was going to fly to Denver
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Vouching for the fog, it was brutal out here last night (some of it’s still hanging around).
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
The team’s flying out this afternoon, so I’d assume then.
Btw, FanShot up on the Alzner recall.
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Lulz:
Laviolette called out Danny Briere yesterday for his crosschecking penalty against the Devils and made him skate in front of the entire team.
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Briere was later quoted saying “I’m not going to change my game. If anything this makes me more angry. I plan on spearing the next guy who comes near me.”
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
:tear: “It just.. it just moves you here”
Mike Richards was first seen clutching his chest, right above his heart. Then clutching his groin, when Briere speared him for making fun of his height.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
More Lulz
My new Huckleberry thinks that Briere is the best player on the team and needs to stop being punished by skating on a line with… Carter and Giroux. If only I could be so lucky to get that punishment.
You're the reason that I hate Nova Scotia.
by Fehr and Balanced on Dec 14, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
ARLINGTON, Va. – The Washington Capitals have recalled defenseman Karl Alzner and center Kyle Wilson from the Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League (AHL) and assigned center Mathieu Perreault to Hershey, vice president and general manager George McPhee announced today.
Um, why?
Because he has one point in his last ten games and isn’t doing well on the faceoff dot.
by David M. Getz on Dec 14, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Wilson also saves a couple hundred grand in room, assuming we’re still thinking about that a little.
"After the Cold War, the AK-47 became Russia's biggest export. After that came vodka, caviar, and suicidal novelists (and a couple good hockey players)."
by Bald Pollack on Dec 14, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Every bit of banked space counts, right?
Only YOU can prevent idiots from commenting!
by Knee high to a duck on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Scott Niedermayer – $6,750,000
Yup…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Gulp!
That’s definitely a deadline transaction, if at all.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
It’s actually doable. They just need to jettison a defenseman or two. Moving Shaone Morrisonn alone would just about do the trick.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm. I’d say MP wasn’t this team’s problem, though. Perhaps it’s a confidence move – go down and dominate, Matty.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
It’s okay. There’s plenty of time for him to be back here. No one expected what we did get so far, so it’s a win all around.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Now that management isn’t hamstrung, maybe it’s a good time to play around with the roster puzzle a bit and find the best possible lineup. I don’t think Perreault will stay down for too long.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 14, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
NHL Store in NYC
So…this has nothing to do with anything, but I was in NYC for the weekend and dropped by the NHL Store on Saturday night when there were about 10 minutes left in the game. They were showing 5 or 6 games in the store…no Caps-Leafs. naturally, the Rangers were on the big screen, with volume.
After requesting that they turn on the Caps game so I could watch them finish the meltdown, they did get it on about 5 minutes later. I just couldn’t believe that this wasn’t a game they deemed worthy of showing.
The NHL Store itself = meh.
I went there last summer and was extremely underwhelmed. It’s small, and there was a limited selection of goods, and what selection there was really was dominated by 5-6 teams. Also, NHL Live was broadcasting at the time and it was on a volume that made metal shows I go to sound like a string quartet. Thankfully with the interwebs the need for physical storefront for fan apparel is no longer a necessity.
A man gotta have a code
The NHL Store/Starbucks (??) used to be a Duane Reade drugstore that was tiny, but was two floors. I used to work for the evilness that is Fox News, and my building was right next door. I went up there last Christmas and when I saw it was the NHL store, I kicked myself for quitting my job. I would have wasted all my break time in the NHL store watching hockey. I bought a great caps knit hat and caps candy canes for my xmas tree there. I put the candy canes up today, actually.
Caps candy canes? I think we need pictures of your tree.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Dec 14, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL store is overrated and disappointing. It’s kind of like a microcosm to NYC itself.
"Alex Ovechkin makes Chad Johnson look like he's reading the paper."
As much as i hate the teams that NYC supports, I think NYC is one of the coolest cities in the world. Everything is there, if you know where to look.
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Steinz is doing all sorts of best of the decade stuff. Today, he gave an update on the top athlete
Best of the decade: you like Olie
It’s not a surprise to see users like you voting for Alex Ovechkin as the D.C. area’s top athlete of the 2000s. A bit more suprirsing: as of 2 p.m. today, Olie Kolzig was slightly ahead of Gilbert Arenas for second place.
Lower down the results are athletes such as Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley and Juan Dixon. Interesting.
Go read the rest of it, and if you haven’t already done so, VOTE! Vote, or I’ll send Puffy after you!
Fun fact: A popular opinion can still be stupid.
I actually commented on Steinz about Sean Taylor and basically said:
“Hey, everyone, I liked him as a Redskin and was sad, too, but he, as an athlete, didn’t do anywhere near as much as most of the people on this list did. I voted Ovechkin at number 1, because he is the best current athlete in the city, but Olie probably should be #1 because of his contributions both to the Caps and to the DC community at large and for how long he did it.”
by DrinkingPartner on Dec 14, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
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