Washington puts Michael Nylander on waivers.
via Bob McKenzie's twitter feed.
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maybe so someone else can pick him up and we pay half his salary? at least this may help with moving in the right direction
by _stevo on Nov 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If anyone takes him on the way down they take the full salary. The 1/2 salary provision only applies if we try to bring him back up to the NHL through waivers. My guess is there is a loan agreement that is in place and will be finalized tomorrow when Nyls officially clears waivers.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 7, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the most likely scenario. We heard whispers overseas teams were interested but wanted him to play, he played in the AHL, now he’s been waived…I would guess a precursor to a loan.
by David M. Getz on Nov 7, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So am I correct in thinking that this means he’s waived his no-movement clause? Because if that’s the case, doesn’t that mean that the Caps could have him take up a roster slot down in Hershey in case there isn’t a loan agreement? The team has said that no deal is imminent, per Corey Masisak’s twitter feed.
by Wheeler on Nov 7, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are correct. I think he probably finally agreed because a) he realizes he’s not going to play for the Caps, b) he’s not going to be traded to any team on his full salary, c) he’ll have to clear waivers to get loaned anyway. And then d) the Caps are in a real shitty spot right now and need that cap space, not that it would motivate him so much, though.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 7, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it be inappropriate to throw in a Halle-fing-luja in here?
by HateOffSeason on Nov 7, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it’s responding to the benefit the Caps gain from opening cap space and not a reaction to Nyls as a person I think it’s fine. Sucks that he had to be a casualty of all this but this move unquestionably makes the Caps a better team (or allows them to make themselves better, a distinction without a difference).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 7, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a distinction without a difference
Like the name Nylander on the Caps roster this season?
by Icebat on Nov 7, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’d be more appropriate once we find out there is a deal to ship him out. For now I’m afraid to put too much hope that this really signifies anything, other than that Nyls officially no longer cares about the NMC.
I really do feel for Nylander in this, but I root for the laundry and can’t wait to see some good news on this front.
by grapejoos on Nov 7, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly – he still has to agree to any loan, whether it’s to an AHL team, a Euro team or elsewhere.
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by J.P. on Nov 7, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if he is claimed he has no choice but to report?
by renstar on Nov 7, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Negative. They said on pre-game tonight that he can still refuse if he doesn’t want to play for the team that claims him. I do think he’d be pretty flexible at this point.
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by macvechkin on Nov 7, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the part that doesn’t make logical sense to me.
The difference between a no-trade clause and a no-movement clause is that with a no-movement clause, you cannot be waived either. He has consented to be waived. So logically, he’s left with a no-trade clause now at best, right?
Let me put it another way. In hockey, unlike baseball, a player’s waivers cannot be cancelled. If the player is claimed off waivers, they’re gone. (For example, the Caps didn’t want to lose Chris Bourque) Except people are saying that’s now not true for Nylander. I don’t see why it would be any different just because he’s got a contract clause with the Caps. If he’s no NHL waivers, then the NHL waivers rules should apply, including the rule that if he gets claimed, he’s gone.
I realize that it’s very unlikely that another NHL team would claim him. And I realize that the Caps haven’t necessarily gained the right to assign him to the AHL just because they put him on waivers. But I don’t understand why he wouldn’t go to another NHL team if he was claimed.
By the way, my prediction is that he’s headed back to Grand Rapids for a while longer. If that happens, he’s off the salary cap no matter what else occurs.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I’ve read/heard, he can exercise a NMC for each step of the process.
Maybe by going through waivers he’s showing that he would accept a move to certain places.
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by macvechkin on Nov 8, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m right with you on Grand Rapids.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 8, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could certainly see him heading back to GR, except… the Wings would have to agree to it. Will they essentially bail out the Caps? Will other owners pressure them not to?
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Ducks have no AHL affiliate — their prospects are spread out throughout the AHL. And AHL teams can be fairly independent (some more than others). I think the general rule is that if a player can help an AHL team, that team is free to accept the loan. I don’t think the parent club typically tells them not to take a player on if the AHL team is interested, unless maybe it would adversely affect a prospect.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Detroit org. would have to agree to the move.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And what I’m saying is that NHL teams, as a general rule, are extremely open to this kind of thing. If the AHL affiliate wants the player, the NHL teams don’t typically veto the move just to screw another NHL team. In other words, whatever the AHL team wants goes, unless the NHL team has a very good reason to veto.
I wouldn’t characterize it as the Wings bailing the Caps out if Nylander goes to Grand Rapids. All the NHL teams that are “allowing” Ducks prospects to play on their AHL affiliates aren’t “bailing out” the Ducks. The baseline is that the NHL team will allow it.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I agree (and the Ducks prospects issue is another matter entirely). Is there precedent for an NHL club allowing it’s affiliate to harbor another team’s mistake? I tend to doubt it. Put another way, if the WBS Penguins wanted Michael Nylander, do you think the Pittsburgh Pens would OK it? It’s a full-on bail out.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If WBS needed a center and was competitive for the Calder, yeah I think PIttsburgh would say yes. It’s not like it would be hard to find an AHL home for Nylander. I think they might see some advantage in having a veteran for their prospects to learn from and from having their prospects go deeper in the AHL playoffs.
The reason Nylander wouldn’t go to WBS is Hershey, not Pittsburgh. I don’t think the Bears would take to kindly to the Caps stocking their hated rivals.
I just don’t see this as Detroit doing the Caps a favor. I see it as Grand Rapids trying to improve their team. Sure they need Detroit’s blessing, but my strong sense from hearing Doug Yingst on interviews and following the AHL out one eye for years is that if the AHL team wants it, the NHL team will not veto unless there’s a very good reason that’s particular to the situation (for example, “we have a center prospect we want to make sure gets ice time, and Nylander would push him down the depth chart”).
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 9, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with J.P. Stashing Nyls makes the Caps a better team, and allows them to make a move that really makes them a better team. DET would be much more likely to be cool with that since they don’t need to go through us to get to the Cup, but even they might be weary of helping out a team that doesn’t need much help. PIT would never ever bail us out like that. After the way the Bill Guerin stuff played out they want us as tight to the cap and inflexible as possible.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 9, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with F&B being with me.
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by J.P. on Nov 9, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So his salary is off the books, now, right? He’ll either get taken or be in Hershey, so he’s not on the Capitals roster.
So we can bring up Alzner.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 7, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, he’s not off the books. Still on the roster, still on the books.
He also still has the right to refuse an assignment to Hershey.
by David M. Getz on Nov 7, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this real? His salary is really off the books?
I don’t believe it yet. I need more confirmation.
by LSF76 on Nov 7, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Not off the books yet, but may be very very soon
by renstar on Nov 7, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone think he might be headed to Detroit?
Lots of Swedes, lost of injuries 2 centers to injury.
by Gin and Tonic on Nov 8, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
no, they can’t afford him if cap geek is right (and based on what the in-house Wings expert says). And while I’m not a GM and Ken Holland is probably the best GM out there, I think they have a pretty glaring need in goal that needs to be addressed before taking an aging Swedish center in.
having said that, watch detroit take him and make me look like a fool.
by RedBirdie on Nov 8, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No idea if Detroit would do it, but are you looking at this?
If i understand correctly, they have just over 3M cap space, based on full season hit. Nylander on re-entry would be 2.4375M for a full season. I’m probably missing something obvious.
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by macvechkin on Nov 8, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Nyls is hitting re-entry waivers.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Losing Nyls on re-entry isn’t a good move for the Caps.
by David M. Getz on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys must know somethin, because I’m pretty sure he isn’t going to live in the A for the next year and a half.
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by macvechkin on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Losing Nyls on re-entry isn’t a good move for the Caps.
That would definitely sting a lot for next year, and I wouldn’t do it if I was GM, but I’m not sure it’s out of the question. It may be worth it to shift some of this year’s liabilities to next year if it means getting rid of him.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree – the Caps losing control of an asset you can buy out (or stash in the minors) after this year in a worst-case scenario is not worth the ~$2.4m pro-rated that it would free up this year.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather take the $2.4m hit this year than the buy out costs. Also, Ted Leonsis may not agree with you, though he’s showing now that he has no problems spending up to and beyond for his team now.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Nov 8, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it’d be a $2.4m hit next year as well if he’s claimed on re-entry waivers.
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by J.P. on Nov 8, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A buy-out extends the hit through 2013, no?
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, and there would be a huge salary cap impact next year. In my opinion, re-entry waivers would be a bad idea but justifiable in the right circumstances; a buyout would be crazy.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 9, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Next year. Not crazy. $1M against the 2010 cap and $1M against the 2011.
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by macvechkin on Nov 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. I meant a buyout this year.
I do think a buyout next year is a bad idea. You can pay $3 Million in ‘10-’11 and have a cap hit of $0, or you can pay $2 Million over two years and have a cap hit of 1 million each of those years. I think it’s worth a million extra dollars to eliminate two million of cap hit, but I don’t have to pay the bills.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only way Nyls goes on re-entry is if they call him up?
If thats the case, I never see that happening.
by hockeyman33 on Nov 8, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What happens if he clears waivers? Can his waiver clearance expire if he is not assigned anywhere in some particular time? If he is never assigned anywhere does he have to clear re-entry waivers?
by renstar on Nov 8, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying that Nyls is going to DET, but it certainly could be possible. As far as goaltending there, every year folks say that Osgood isn’t good enough to be their #1 and yet he seems to find a way to do well enough to get them to the playoffs.
Anyways, I can’t believe I have to wait until tomorrow to hear where he is going. It was agonizing enough to wait for him to clear waivers.
by Gin and Tonic on Nov 9, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this sceanrio (Nylandet to DET) because it makes a lot of sense, when connecting the dots. (In no particular order)
1) Nylander played with their AHL team. Easy to scout a guy when he’s on your own minor league team in a parallel system.
2) DET has been more than decimated by injuries, especially down the middle
3) DET is a veteran team and by acquiring Nylander, they are getting an ego-less veteran who has proven to put up numbers in this league in the right situation. It’s not like Detroit would be rolling the dice on him
4) They have the financial means to acquire him with so much talent on the IR. If and when those players return, Det would handle it accordingly and as a franchise are able to pay him (if put on re-entry waivers, cut, etc).
5) If Detroit’s stars don’t return, they could always flip Nylander in the summer or wait until Jan.
6) All they would have to give us in return is pennies to the dollar (an NHL ready enforcer, or experienced d-man (which they have plenty of), or draft pick, etc)
7) Because I predicted this move weeks ago – and took my lumps for it too – in saying Nylander would go to Det or another top western conf. team (Vancouver?)
Then again, all this is moot if he goes to the KHL…. hahaha
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4) They have the financial means to acquire him with so much talent on the IR. If and when those players return, Det would handle it accordingly and as a franchise are able to pay him (if put on re-entry waivers, cut, etc).
This is the only part I dispute. If he goes, his NMC goes with him unless Nylander and Detroit work some other arrangement out. When the injured players come back, Detroit would be over the cap, if I’m not mistaken. They can’t take him on without some clear plan for how to dump salary once the injured guys come back.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Swedes, loss of 2 centers to injury. And time for me to stop drinking tonight.
by Gin and Tonic on Nov 8, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And oh boy did they get embarrassed tonight.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 8, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and another injury. they’re absolutely snakebitten in that department this season.
by RedBirdie on Nov 8, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More smoke from Tarik:
Update:I’m hearing from two sources that Nylander is weighing an offer from a KHL club. One said the team is believed to be Dynamo Minsk….
Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Caps have a deal in the works. But McPhee steadfastly deflected any and all questions this afternoon.
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by Gould Old Days on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
on the one side, im excited to see how this ends (and just finally end) and if GMGM has a subsequent second move/trade he’s been waiting to make. i.e. why the sudden urge to move Nylander and his cap space now if no immediate move right behind? Maybe the recent “shake it up” talks we’ve had here reflect parallel thinking from GMGM? Maybe GMGM has a tough guy to acquire in mind and/or crease-clearing d? Maybe GMGM wants to call up Alzner (but still must move one of the 8 d he has now)? Forsberg? …. Oh the possibilities are endless and these rumors only get my head swirling.
on the other side, this brings back erie memories of Bill Guerin at the trade deadline last year. He stopped playing in games almost a week before the deadline because of deal in place. Then he said it was with a frontrunner, who many assumed/predicted/guessed/“reported” was the Caps. Fans sat and waited for the Caps to create just enough space to fit Guerin – which also was predicted to be day of deadline. Deadline day, find out he was traded to *cough*Pittsburg.
by bigity b on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dynamo Minsk…isn’t that the club Glen Hanlon just got fired from?
by RedBirdie on Nov 9, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corey’s Twitter has a lot of GMGM being coy:
cmasisak22: More GMGM speak on 92: “Some things are going on” and “I would expect to have something to talk about tomorrow.”
cmasisak22: GMGM on 92 not practicing anymore: “Some decisions have been made, but as I said, I’d rather elaborate on it tomorrow.”
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