Rink Roundtable: What to Do With Alex Semin
"When he's on his game, he can be [the man]. There is no question. His skill level is on par with Alex [Ovechkin]'s. It is a matter of putting it together every single night, but he has the tools to do that and the ability. [Ovechkin's injury] is an opportunity for him, as it is for some other guys." - Brendan Morrison on Alexander Semin
One game into this "opportunity," Alex Semin is doing anything but making the most of it. But Semin's inconsistency - breathtaking skill mixed in with mind-numbing mistakes and ill-timed injuries - are hardly anything new, and as he approaches Restricted Free Agency this summer, it's fair to ask questions about his future with the organization. So we're asking - and answering - 'em.
J.P.: The issue of the day is what to do with Alex Semin. I suppose it comes down to three questions, which we'll tackle in turn: 1) Should the team actively pursue trading him? 2) If so, will they actively pursue trading him? And 3) If they don't trade him, how can they get a more consistent effort out of him that is somewhat commensurate with his undeniably great skill set?
Question 1: Should the Capitals actively pursue trading Alex Semin?
David M. Getz: Yes, starting immediately. We're not at the point where it makes sense to just dump him off completely, but I've personally had enough of his act. When he was 22 it made sense to look at him and say, "You know, if the Caps just get him to play more consistently and stop making bonehead plays we're going to have one of the league's best offensive wingers here." Three years later we're still waiting for him to do it. Simply put, it's not going to happen. Let some other team deal with him and get what you can in the meantime.
In the end, asset management is what it's about and I think the return in terms of pieces and the cap space the team gets if they don't get a huge return is worth more to this team than Semin.
JP: As an asset management issue, though, dealing Semin would be difficult in that while everyone marvels at the Caps' organizational depth on the blueline and in goal, they're pretty shallow up front. Who in the system legitimately projects to be a scoring-line forward? Osala maybe? Perreault? Possibly Johansson? Hard to imagine anyone else, and even those three are generously included.
If you move Semin, you're left with one guy in the entire organization who's a regular 30+ goal threat. Trading Semin - unlike trading Morrisonn, Jurcina, or even Neuvirth - is most definitely not trading from an area of strength, so you'd have to be pretty careful there.
DMG: I agree. Moving Semin's a big blow in terms of raw goal production, and having that second guy with elite offensive talent provides a dimension very few teams have. If the Caps move Semin I think they have to get back, at the very least, a guy who can score in the mid-twenties in goals and who does things to help the team win even when he's not scoring. If you throw in that guy with Knuble, Laich, Morrison, Backstrom, and Fleischmann I think you have enough scoring depth. If you can't get that guy, I think you keep Semin for now. Otherwise you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I agree that the team's forward prospect depth isn't great, but I still think moving forward that the team can use the roster spot and, more importantly, cap space they'd otherwise be spending on Semin more efficiently, be it by making a trade or picking up a free agent.
Stephen Pepper: Make it known that the organization will listen to offers for Semin, and then sit and wait for the right package.
Not long ago on this blog, we surmised that five penalties taken is roughly equivalent to a goal against. Is the downside of Semin's pechant for taking obstruction penalties even close to the level of his offensive capabilities? I don't think so. But it has reached the level where it may be reasonable to deal him for a return that is more responsible and consistent, if not as stellar with the curl and drag.
Without him, the entire power play is altered, and in my view greatly diminished. And virtually no one in the league has a more accurate shot and better, heavier release than Alex Semin. Other GMs should be groveling at the feet of George McPhee for an opportunity to acquire him. Ultimately, you win by scoring goals. This ain't soccer futbol.
So they shouldn't "actively" pursue a deal.
Tuvan Hillbilly: I don't think they should actively pursue trading him. I truly believe that the cohesiveness of the team, especially as concerns Ovechkin and Backstrom, would be affected. On numerous occasions Ovy has talked about how he and Semin are just on the same page when they play together and simply understand what each other is doing without even having to discuss it. Yes, his propensity for stupid mistakes is maddening, but he could very well be one of - if not the - most gifted players on the ice today, and if the Caps were to give up on a great player everytime he did something maddenlingly stupid, well... Ovechkin makes turnovers at the blueline, too. 'Nuff said.
CapsChick: I'm also not firmly in the "trade Semin" camp - not yet, at least.
There is a lot of anger piled on him right now, and understandably so, but I still believe he is the most skilled player in our lineup and a potentially valuable asset. When he shows up - and it's more often now than it used to be - he has the ability to completely change a game on one shift. Sure, there are parts of his game that need improvement and he still needs to mature a bit; but players (and men in general) mature at different rates. How long did it take Kolzig to stop throwing hissy fits after every goal?
DMG: I don't think Kolzig's a good analogy. Semin's problem isn't that he cares too much and can't control his competitive nature, it's that some night he just looks like he doesn't care enough, he makes stupid plays and he hasn't shown very much, if any, improvement. Is it possible he grows up? Sure. But I wouldn't bet on it. I think he is who he is. He hasn't changed thus far and I don't think he'll do it in the next six months.
CC: I think he has shown improvement, or glimpses of it - particularly when Sergei Fedorov was around. Maybe it was just fear of being admonished by one of his idols, maybe it was him actually learning from Feds, maybe it was a combination of both. But the fact that he was able to show that growth tells me he has the potential to continue it. He just has to decide he wants to.
Don't forget, Semin was the guy who stepped up and carried the load when Ovechkin had his slow start last year - and one game into the Ovechkin injury is not enough to convince me that he's worthless. He was one of the best players in two of the last three playoff series, including a very physical Philly series that proved he's willing to play with an edge.
I think we give him to the end of the year, postseason included, and see what happens. Like the team, he has a lot to prove - and like the team he's still got 67 more games to prove it.
JP: If you wait that long, don't you risk having waited too long? Here's a guy who's an RFA this summer, whose agent is on another planet, and who would seem to be a perfect candidate to bolt for the KHL. Talk about asset management, if George McPhee loses Semin for nothing, isn't it a rather epic fail?
DMG: Not necessarily. It comes down to what the potential return is. If the Caps can get guys who help them or in the near future, I think they should make a move. If all other teams are offering back are picks, over the hill players, or mediocre prospects I can see the value in keeping him for this year's playoff run.
JP: Alrighty then. Putting aside your answers to the last question... Question 2: Do you think that the Caps will pursue a Semin trade?
DMG: Not during the season. Too many moving pieces: you lose that offensive depth, you're limited in who you can pursue to replace him, you have to wonder about the effect on the locker room, etc. Just too much to all work out in a constantly changing landscape.
JP: I tend to agree that it won't happen, in part because of just how bold it would be (in terms of cajones, it's probably even bolder than firing Boudreau would be), and GMGM tends to be pretty conservative. I don't think it's overstating it to say that trading a talent like Semin is a potential career-ender for a general manager.
Then again, if things on the contract extension front aren't looking so hot leading up to the trade deadline and there's some interest, it's got to be an idea McPhee entertains.
CC: I think this next month is going to be important in deciding that. Because right now it's hard to say the Caps will trade one of their most skilled players for doing things - granted, with higher frequency - that the whole team is guilty of doing. If the team improves and he doesn't, there may be some sniffing around for a trade.
Still, I honestly don't see it happening; highly skilled player, best friend of the face of your franchise (though we'd all agree that AO would, if given the choice, rather win without Semin than lose with him), potential 30-40 goal scorer, homegrown guy...that's a tough person to trade.
TH: Honestly, no, I don't think it will happen. Not discounting the fact that agents will always put the best spin on things, I don't think Gandler was talking out of his - well, you know - with his comment that "it's clear that the Capitals want to see Alexander in their line-up."
JP: So whether or not we think the Caps should be exploring a trade option, we're pretty much all on the same page in that it's unlikely to actually happen. That being the case, here's the who-knows-how-many-million dollar Question #3: how can the Caps get a more consistently strong effort out of Alex Semin?
SP: The coaching staff should focus more on getting Alex Ovechkin to become ever more defensively sound and aware. I think Pierre LeBrun was right this week. Then Semin will follow suit. If Ovechkin is held to task and responds, Semin may take the admonishments more seriously. Right now, if Ovechkin blows coverage or cherry picks way up ice, why should Semin have to play more conservatively?
Who did Boudreau first call out in practice, on his very first day on the job? Ovechkin. He needs to remember that day, now for the good of the team (rather than mostly, at the time, to establish himself as coach).
JP: I buy that (I've always been an accountability guy, especially on the point of AO's defense). But here's my two-part "how to fix Alex Semin" plan, sure to work and solve all of our frustrations with the uber-talent: 1) Get him back killing penalties (a season ago he averaged 1:31 per game on the kill, but he's all the way down to 0:27 this year, including almost no time in the last five games). We've discussed before how much it focuses him, and focus is precisely what he needs (added bonus: it might actually, y'know, help the struggling PK); and 2) Have McPhee and Boudreau pull Ovechkin aside and ask him how to get through to Semin and follow it. Rely on AO to give the right answer, and if he doesn't have an answer... well, there's your answer.
TH: I think the key to making Semin respond is through lateral pressure from his teammates, rather than top-down pressure. Ovy and Backy will have more influence on him than Bruce. Far-fetched as it may seem, even a call from Feds (or even a comment by Feds in the Russian press) may have some effect.
CC: I think his teammates could be hugely important in this, but someone has to have the guts to step up and tell their friend he's screwing up their game.
But I also think it's a combination of teammate pressure and Bruce actually being willing to do something risky and bench one of his top guys, whether it's for a whole game or just a period. This goes back to the whole question of doing something that could lose a game in the short run but pays dividends in the long run, like the instigator penalties; sends a message that's stronger than just skating the guy hard in practice the next day, or calling him out in media that Semin doesn't pay attention to or respect.
DMG: Having Ovechkin talk to him is the one and only thing I can see working. Coaches have tried being hard on him; coaches have tried letting him do his thing. They've tried playing him with his buddies, they've tried punishing him by taking time away from his buddies. They brought in Fedorov to work as a mentor. Hanlon benched him at times. None of it seems to have really made a substantive, long-term change. I can buy Ovechkin making the difference, but if that doesn't work, I don't see what will. At that point, it's time to cut ties.
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How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?
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by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How do you grab a cloud and nail it down?
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by PPP on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you solve a problem like Maria?
"I'm just doing karate and trying to get females pregnant."
by Bald Pollack on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So are we saying that Semin is a governess that will never be a nun?
by terpgrrl on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If his penitance is real, sure.
"I'm just doing karate and trying to get females pregnant."
by Bald Pollack on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, guys and gals.
Nice reference to the moonbeam there…it does describe Semin’s elusive greatness—I’ve always thought of Semin as the moon to Ovechkin’s sun… however, going back a line in that song, you don’t want to “keep” the “wave upon the sand,” you want it to crash! As in crash the net, get goals… so hmm… yeah, still a nice reference.. how do you solve a poblem like Maria Sasha…
by localhead on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is great stuff. I really like the roundtable discussion format.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 6, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You never know what you’re going to get with Semin – a 3 point night or a 3-offensive-zone-penalty night – and that inconsistency doesn’t work for a team that has a legitimate chance of winning a Stanley Cup. If we could get a top defenseman or top winger in return for Semin I would make the trade in a heartbeat, regardless of whether it’s a solicited or unsolicited trade.
I also think that if Semin left, Ovi and Backstrom would stop with the cutesy stuff and just play a more focused north-south game.
by topshelf_22304 on Nov 6, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Problem is if you deal him who picks up his offensive. Right now this team lacks secondary scoring and then combine that with losing a primary scorer and I have real concerns. Semin drives me nuts just like everyone else, but if I’m GMGM I had better be getting an NHL level guy who can put the puck in the net for him if I’m moving him this season. Semin’s up and down play makes that much harder to accomplish. That being said there always seem to be be one guy who thinks his team and coaching staff is different and can bring out the best in a player.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I would only trade him for a top asset – someone who can either greatly improve our average defensive corps or provide an element of stability up front and still chip in 30 goals/year while playing sound defense. It won’t be easy, esepcially considering Semin’s contract status, but it doesn’t mean I don’t try if I’m GMGM.
by topshelf_22304 on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, and right after I did this.
"I'm just doing karate and trying to get females pregnant."
by Bald Pollack on Nov 6, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great piece.
I agree with CC & Tuvan that I wouldn’t actively pursue a trade, yet. If someone comes to you with a world beater offer then of course you listen.
I also agree with JP on what to do in terms of playing him. Drives me nuts that he doesn’t play on PK more for 3 reasons. First, he seems to be mentally more into the game when he plays on PK. Second, he’s got a great stick on the PK and when he wants to he plays Selke level defensive hockey. Third, he gives us a Shorthanded threat. Teams will be much less likely to be overly aggressive on their PP’s if Semin is on the ice. They’d know an ill advised turnover could easily turn into a shorty.
Getting his teammates involved more in talking to him is it sounds like everyone agrees on this, the way to go. He’s heard it forever from the coaches. Coaches are like parents or spouses sometimes. They get tuned out. I’m guessing coaching staff has already tried this to a degree, but its time for more drastic measures.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If someone comes to you with a world beater offer then of course you listen.
Good point – and I’d say there are maybe two guys on the team for whom this does not apply.
And I love having Semin on the PK. I think he’s one of our best PK guys, and always a threat for a shortie; kills me that BB doesn’t use him there more often.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s the other guy you wouldn’t move?
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about CC, but I’m not moving Ovie or Green for love or money at this point.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, right, Green. Okay, make that three guys – Ovie, Backstrom and Green. #19 is as irreplaceable as the other two, and is only going to get better.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think 19 is quite as irreplaceable. Very difficult, yes. He’s an elite playmaking center and that’s hard to come by. But Ovie and Green are literally unique talents at this point – the best player in the league and the best offensive defenseman, who’s also an excellent defensive guy by all metrics.
You could replace Backstrom with, say, Getzlaf. But the Ducks aren’t making that trade any time soon. You can replace Green or Ovechkin with anyone and expect similar production.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And here I clearly meant can’t instead of can. Yeesh.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Getzlaf has even close to the same vision on the ice, or the potential for the same chemistry with #8. I also just think he’s kind of a tool, so maybe that’s a personal thing.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Getzlaf has pretty spectacular vision and hands. He didn’t end up with 66 A’s last year by accident and neither did Nick, but man can he ever take over a game. I’m basing most of this on the SJS/ANA series and the DET/ANA series, but wow. I was so impressed with how well he played in those.
He can be a douche-nozzle and if we’re maddened by Semin’s PIMs, Getzlaf had like 121 last season. However, he’s a dominating player.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Getzlaf would have great chemistry with AO I think. He is actually a very good passer and pairing him with AO would undoubtedly give us the most physical top line in the game.
The problem, HKtD, is that it would take a ton to pry one of those Cs from the team that drafted them or a ton of money on the FA market.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No question about it, I’m just saying that Nick is slightly more replaceable than AO or Green.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose slightly…like really slightly. I just think Backstrom’s something special and I don’t see the same qualities in many others around the league. Granted, I see #19 way more than any other centers around the league, but still.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if he could get his FO% up 5 points.
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by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not entirely sure I agree with that. At first blush it seems like a no-brainer. But when’s the next time we’re going to be able to pick up a lotto C with 100 point potential. We may luck onto one but we aren’t going to be drafting where those guys are. I think John Carlson has the potential to be a better replacement for Green than anything we have now could replace Backstrom.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could say we lucked into Green and Carlson too – nobody projected those two being so good, so soon, else they’d have gone higher.
It’s probably true that Backs is far and away our best C in the organization and will remain that way for years to come. However, he’s not a unique talent at the position. You could drop a few players in the league into his slot and get similar, or better, production. The same simply isn’t true of Green or Ovechkin.
You may be right about the replacement gap, for the team as it stands now. However, in the next few years in either free-agency or trades, I think it’s more possible to replace 19 than 52 or 8.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could drop a few players in the league into his slot and get similar, or better, production.
But how do you get those players? We already have Carlson and Green.
I’m not disagreeing that we lucked into Green and Carlson, only pointing out that we already have those guys. I think those elite Cs tend to be identified at an earlier age because it relies so much more on pure physical skills and at that age you can make up for lower mental skills if you are an athletic specimen. D development tends to require more time and hockey sense so you don’t necessarily know what you’re getting in a guy when you draft him. Shea Weber was a 2nd round pick. Oops.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Poile sure can pick D.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, but drafting isn’t the only way to get those guys.
It’s possible to replace Nick, in some way, shape, or form. Which single player replaces Green or Ovechkin?
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody can replace AO and only AO can replace Green becuz Green is the second best winger in the league!!!
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was Mike Green for Halloween

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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wingah. Get your ’hood terminology right!
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Capitals are making that trade anytime soon, either. Maybe I’m biased on this one, but I’m not swapping Backstrom for Getzlaf on any day ending in ‘Y’.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not moving Backstrom. I know below I say that there are more elite Cs than Ws, but those Cs are real hard to come by and almost all are with the team that drafted them. We aren’t going to be able to replace Backstrom cheaply or easily if we let him go. With him and AO we have a dominant top line for the foreseeable future. Lock that kid up.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want Nick going anywhere and I’d rather him than Semin seven days a week and twice on Sundays, but if you gave the organization a scenario in which you could only keep two of the three between 8/19/52, I’m keeping 8 and 52.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me that part is a no brainer. Whether I want Getzlaf is another issue entirely. We’ve already had that part of the discussion before. :-)
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense to listen to offers!
1) With his contract status the way it is it would make sense for GMGM to listen to offers. That said its always difficult to get back the value you think a player with that kind of talent. However, also as others have mentioned its unlikely we’ll suddenly see Semin discover the hidden wealth of hockey sense he apparently is missing
2) He is the epitome of an enigma; getting fans out of their seats with the most amazing move then getting them pissed off after he makes the most amazingly stupid blunder (all on the same shift!)
3) Probably the time to make a move is sooner rather than later when his value is at its peak. So then the question is- What hole does GMGM try to fill with this deal?
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by Fauxrumors on Nov 6, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The problem here is
you rarely get back what you give up. In Semin’s case, you have a commodity that will command Heatley-esque type of attention and of course, $$$. You have to get back an equivalent talent in return: if not a wing capable of matching Semin’s 35-40 goal, then a true shutdown, top 2 D-man like Pronger.
Semin’s learning curve may be much longer, but it isn’t like he’s incapable of correcting it. I’d rather have his deficiencies and yes, gaffes that more or less cost us the game, than letting him go and relying on Brooks, Fehr, and Flash to make up the production.
It’s always easier to work on fundamental deficiencies than hope you can replace his undeniable talents. As CP2Devil says, Shake his game up, put him on the PK with Backstrom, reduce his PP time, ask him to keep skating so at least it’s not as obvious he’s hooking or interfering , everything you can to at least lessen the stick fouls.
But you can’t not play him – wait at least until Ovie gets back and Nylander gets dealt.
by S h a g g y on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to get back an equivalent talent in return: if not a wing capable of matching Semin’s 35-40 goal
but for all the reasons the caps would consider moving him or not re-signing him, it’s doubtful you’d get the same kind of offensive production back (unless age or UFA-status came into play)…why take on semin’s baggage if you’re giving up a scorer yourself?
by Natty Bumppo on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why take on semin’s baggage if you’re giving up a scorer yourself?
And on top of that, the only teams I can really see being willing to trade for Semin are teams that don’t have an elite scorer on their roster or even on their farm for the near future. Those teams aren’t going to move away what little scoring they have just to get him. (And one of those teams, Nashville, just got burned by Radulov and won’t want anything to do with that KHL cloud hanging overhead.)
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonton?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see it. They live with Hemsky, why not add Semin to the mix.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be cool with getting [$.84 scorer] and JF Jacques back in the deal!
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could see something like that. A decent scorer and a grit guy that plays hockey.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The issue with Semin is that his whole is less than the sum of his parts.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
I like Tuvan’s idea of using some pressure from Russia.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the follow-on to JP’s point about frontline depth is the effect of an ovechkin injury.
If you move Semin, you’re left with one guy in the entire organization who’s a regular 30+ goal threat.
and if AO goes down again for any stretch, you have zero 30+ goal-scorers. especially for a team that is expected to hold water until the playoffs, an extended period without either russian takes the caps from a high-scoring team to a low-scoring team. can BB’s system adapt to the loss? would the caps be able to keep their heads above water? i’d like to wait out the current AO injury before deciding on a course for the elder sasha.
by Natty Bumppo on Nov 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gangsta scored 30+ last season. (I’ll go scurry back to my hole now)
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had to think about who you meant, just for a minute…oh, Greenie. Gotta stay fresh.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know, I swore I typed Greenie. Auto pilot, apparently.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You meant to say “Wingah!” which is how we would compensate for the loss of Sasha!
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Nov 6, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
make Gangsta a wingah, yo!
I promise to never type like the little hood-tastic kids across the street again.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wingar is the preferred spelling for sarcastic Green-to-wing talk.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So, after reading this, it’s kind of hard to tell who the real target is: Semin or Boudreau?
Is it Semin who’s playing poorly and is, in turn, not being trusted to play on the PK, or is it BB who doesn’t realize how much better Semin seems to play when he gets more ice time on the PK (perhaps just in general, even)?
Is it Semin who’s not learning lessons from being benched, or is it BB not benching Semin with any meaningful time (though, as much as most of us thought it was pointless, keeping Semin on the bench for the last 2 minutes of a losing game had to be painful for him?
Honestly, it sounds like the blame could easily be argued both ways. I don’t think that Semin can be excused for playing poorly, but I think that BB shouldn’t be either for “misusing” (loose usage) him.
That said, I’m pretty much in agreement: I think they should listen to offers, I don’t think they’ll do anything (i’ve been a ‘dynamic of the team’ proponent before), and I think going through Ovechkin is a good idea, but I also wonder if it isn’t BB who really needs to grow-up and truly take control.
But that approach may not work with these guys. It’s hard to say.
I’m also not implying BB is a bad or irresponsible coach, he’s been awesome.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good questions. Somewhat related to my post below about chemistry….whose departure do you think would affect the team’s chemistry more, Boudreau or Semin?
by Cluster on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BB, no doubt in my mind. That’s an earth-shattering, ground-breaking move to change coaches. Semin is a replaceable (by definition, not necessarily by reality) part. I don’t think either needs to be replaced, I think the parts need a different brand of oil to get them working together better.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for better or worse, BB is as close as family for the guys who went through Hershey with him (except Fehr. He’s like the unloved red-headed step child). I’m terrified to think of the meltdown Greenie would have. (which perhaps speaks to yet another set of problems the Caps have)
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have you considered?
those of you that don’t think he should be traded…have you considered that maybe he is brining Ovechkin down a bit? While Ovi is surely still scoring goals it seems like he is becoming less focused as a whole as well. Maybe that is more Fedorov and Kozlov being gone but what if Ovi is more following Semin than the other way around? That would mean if Semin is slacking than so is Ovi and then what would you do?
by gman2797 on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait – what makes you think that Ovi is ‘less focused’ this season? He’s had the best start to a season of his entire career, and from his comments has only one goal in mind this season…
by KellyinDC on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not just “the best start to a season of his entire career” but one of the best starts to a season in hockey history.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like I said I don't watch all the games
but more it seems like this team has had trouble putting solid games together on a consistent basis. Just because they are scoring lots doesn’t mean they are playing their best.
by gman2797 on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we can blame Semin for the entire team’s woes. Semin’s personal mistake-heavy games, though, are usually with drastic mistakes being committed.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but really, Mike Knuble’s had his share of late-game “WTF?!” penalties. I agree, its a team-wide issue that can’t be laid entirely at the feet of one player.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have to say that I’ve been overall disappointed in Knuble. Not overly so, but just where he doesn’t seem to be playing as well as I feel he should be.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the 21/9/22 line. HATE it. Until that ends, I’m not going to be looking for much from 22 except on the PP. But until the guys can learn to dump a chasable puck, it won’t matter, cause we won’t be able to set up our PP.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With the exception of the SJ game, I personally haven’t thought that the 8-19-22 line has been much better.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what maddens me about BB. He gives a line 1-2 games to gel, then throws it all up in the air again and goes back to what the “players” want to work with.
I’d be happier than a pig in shit if BB would set some solid, balanced lines and let them run for a month. Let the guys learn to play together, REALLY learn. Everyone on every line = everyone learns everyone = BS. Chemistry does not develop overnight, or in one-off experiments.
It’s what pissed me off about Nyls usage last year. BB had no place for him, so he got to play with every winger AND center on the team. How can you expect a guy to produce when he has no idea game to game who he’s playing with?
1 month… can I have it please?
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One month without anyone getting hurt or sick is a lot to ask.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But to take a page from BB’s own book. When he sticks the “Bears” lines together, they produce. Hell, even Giroux looked serviceable when he was here because he was playing primarily with his linemates from Chocotown.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be happier than a pig in shit if BB would set some solid, Fehr, and balanced lines and let them run for a month.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I keep thinking that 21 and 22 on the same line is a mistake – they’re too similar in playing style and not in a good way.
More than once I’ve seen them both go to the front of the net – which at best leaves just one guy to shoot the puck and at worst causes them to crash into each other and disrupt any scoring chance.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could not agree more, CC.
I thought Brooks and Knuble are supposed to serve the same purpose on different lines!? It completely dumbfounds me when I see them on the same line.
by terpgrrl on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brooks and Knuble ending up on the same line is less a product of BB thinking they’re good together and more a product of BB thinking that 8-19-28 are good together (which is another debate in itself). And then 21-9-22 becomes the 2nd line. Things have shifted a little of course, with Flash’s return and Ovi’s injury, but I think it was sort of the default second line – who else could play top 6?
by KellyinDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Flash keeps doing what he’s been doing (aka being one of the best players on the ice since he’s been back), he takes the second line spot alongside either some combo of Semin, Backstrom, Morrison and Knuble.
And that leaves Laich to resume the awesomeness that is my favorite line, the Laich-Steckel-Bradley line.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve not been a fan of Dave Steckel on the 3rd line, but I don’t know who you’d have center that.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Forsberg!
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You know I wish that were the case.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matty Perreault!
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, was he ever great the other night…
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he keeps up that work ethic, he will have a long NHL career.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perreault. Totally serious here.
Laich-Perreault-Bradley
let Steckel pout on the 4th line.
by ns on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Void Boyd! Pair with Perreault! (reaching for rhyme here)
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How are you pronouncing Perreault :-)? I’d have said “Go with Perreault!”
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That works! New sigline time.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not this year. As good as he was, I sincerely doubt he’s ready for regular NHL time right now. Three years from now, I certainly hope so. Actually, I’m hoping for the second line three years from now.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d go for 2 years from now, shorter if he can stay consistent.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 years from now?! The kid has not looked out of place against any of the NHL D he has seen, including facing the entire CHI D corps that went to the WCF. I think he makes a real strong push next year, and is a lock for the following year (if he’s not traded first).
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the next year or two. He’s been great (in…one game) but give him a full year in Hershey and a killer camp next year to prove something to all of us. No need to rush him.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know I’m more willing to do this than most, and I like MP more than most, but his game against CHI should not be overlooked. He forced Duncan Keith into a turnover that led to a scoring chance. Pre-season or not that isn’t to be ignored. He was able to challenge Brian Campbell with his speed. Keith and Campbell are two of the best skaters in the league and MP not only skated with them, but made them make mistakes.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a fucking worker, man.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And we haven’t seen how durable he is, or whether he’s going to hit the rookie wall. He’s looked very good, far beyond my expectations. I expect him to play a year or so in the bottom lines and a year in Hershey before he gets regular second line time. So I guess you’d call it the remainder of this season, another and then at the start of the third year he’s on the second line, centering it or winging.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know he spent a whole year in Hershey already, right?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And in that time was never called up until last night. I bet after his cup of coffee up here, another season in Hershey does him solid.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wasn’t called up because we have a shitload of centers on the big club already, and you gotta call up the AHL points leader (Aucoin at the time) if you’re GMGM last year.
But yeah, it wouldn’t hurt him to hang out in Hershey. I just have always liked him.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hit the rookie wall last year. He hasn’t had injury problems at any level so far (probably because it’s impossible to get a clean shot on him). I’m not saying he won’t have a problem taking his game to the NHL level, but I think you’re forcing questionmarks on a kid that has dealt with that his entire career and succeeded.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Q MVP, too.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately that’s one of the least impressive MVPs you can win. But yeah, he earned it and good for him.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The anti-francophone bias in the NHL has spread to the blogs.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, fuck that Lemieux guy.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, fuck thatLemieuxLemaire guy.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s up here and producing on a basis that gets him 2C or 2W minutes before 2011, I’ll be ecstatic. He looked fantastic against the Devils, for sure.
He hit the wall in the AHL, the NHL is a big jump from there. I want to see him succeed because 1) it would help the Caps in general and 2) he adds a skilled forechecking presence that they seem to lack in specific. I’m just not convinced yet.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad homeboy is getting a look this year.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly didn’t seem out of place the other night. Obviously one game does not a career make, but if compare his 2009 NHL debut to that of most young guys, even more higher thought of guys I’d dare to say he could have looked better. Also, he was playing on a 4th line with a slumping right wing and a converted D playing forward. he made both look pretty damn good.
Give him the rest of the year in Hershey and I think he pushes for a job next year in camp. At worst the year after that.
The guy makes his wingers look good. Too few of those in Caps org for him to compete with to assume he won’t be able to compete for a job soon.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel dirty, but
I’d kinda like to see him with Flash.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Yeah – my question at the end was sort of rhetorical, as in who else could BB have put on the 2nd line given the players he had to choose from at the time? I think his hands were tied a little, if he really didn’t want to split up the Care Bears.
I fully believe Flash will play 2nd line and Brooks gets bumped down. I’ve never been much of a Flash fan, but if he continues to play as well as he has been, I could be persuaded to have a change of heart. :)
by KellyinDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK then how about this with Ovie, Gordo, and Fehr out.
28-19-17
14-9-22
21-39-10
89-85-53
I’m not a huge of Clarkie on top line, but he can fit in with that group. Not ideal, but not terrible either.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
flip-flop 39 and 85 and 17 and 10 and I’m on board!
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a fan of Brads with Baks and Semin. Clark is a better passer.
As for flipping Stecks and MP, I don’t have a problem with it however I’d like to see the BLS time get some ice time together for awhile before I’d make that switch.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brads comment was (mostly) a joke. I like Brads.
I think Dave is better served on the 4th line since he hasn’t shown any offensive improvement this year yet. Perreault is sick in the face.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve slowly become a Brads fan over the last 2 years and I think given the play of others I’d like to see him get a couple more shifts a night until guys start performing to their level a capibilities. That doesn’t mean 1st line time though.
I’m frustrated with Stecks too, that is why I think reloading the line from last year’s playoffs is a great idea. If that doesn’t jump start his offense then by all mean send him to the 4th line.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We agree.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, as good as 21/39/10 was last year in the playoffs, I’d like to see them together again.
14/9/22 is a nice line for me. Let Ovie/Backs/Semin stay together if it makes Semin more focused.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve noticed that too. I think it was the Columbus game when Brooks scored his goals that Knuble was right near him with a look on his face of “Well, good for you. I could’ve had that.”
by Cluster on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He certainly hasn’t exceeded expectations. But I sure am a whole lot happier seeing him on the ice than #25.
by Cluster on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happer seeing him in Caps red than Filthy Orange.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
like I said I don’t watch all the games
Where did you say that?
While Ovi is surely still scoring goals it seems like he is becoming less focused as a whole as well
Err, what? Dude is scoring a goal per game and was leading the league in points when he went down. If that’s not focused, watch out league when the playoffs come around.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can be unfocused and still produce. See Semin, Alexander.
I do think Ovie’s focus though on a game-to-game basis, while not perfect, is good enough, and come playoffs, he’s the most focused player out there. No problems in that regard.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m of the “don’t trade him…….YET” camp. He’s maddening and I freely admit I was the one threatening to toss him from the top of the Washington Monument the other night. I was being overly dramatic. He can and has turned it around before. If he can, well, yay. If he can’t…..ship him to Lemaire and see how he like having to play a trap system.
Regarding the PK time…..its an interesting point. I think he likes playing on the PK. Which also means Bruce may use it as a punishment when Semin plays stupid. So, a bit of a problem there, because Semin plays better overall when on the PK, but PK time is used as a reward for good behavior.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
F-that. I don’t want to play against Semin more than once a year, thank you. He better go west if he goes anywhere at all.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Going West
Thought: In we HAD to trade him, Semin and Poti to the Kings for Drew Doughty (or Jack Johnson?), Wayne Simmonds, and a pick? We need to shake up our defensive corps, badly. Or at least get Alzner and/or Carlson up with some reinforcement back there. I like the Kings since they were probably the most talented team that didn’t make the playoffs last year.
by thebigfoist on Nov 6, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This has been said before not by me, but I don’t think the Kings are eager to trade for another headcase Russian. I don’t see that happening, as awesome as it would be to get Johnson (they won’t give up Doughty).
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as we want them to, other teams are not going to send us their blue chip prospects for our underperformers/frustrations.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get JJ so that we could rub it in Jim Rutherford’s face 6x a year. Jack ass.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve heard (at battleofcali) that JJ is a douche. He definitely looks like one.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s best friends w/ Crosby. Draw your own conclusions.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ewww, get him away from my team.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To heavily balanced in favor of the Caps. Doughty’s not going anywhere. I don’t know about Johnson overall, but I very much doubt the Kings let him go for Semin and Poti, let alone him and a pick and another promising young player.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… call it fantasy. I just really like Johnson and Simmonds, and Poti hasn’t been doing us any favors, especially since we have a pair of D-men in Hershey who could be playing at Doughty’s level in a couple years if given an adequate chance.
by thebigfoist on Nov 6, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe DD’s level now, but I seriously think Doughty will win a Norris Trophy (assuming the Kings are a playoff team and continue improving) within the next 5 years, and I wouldn’t put a Conn Smythe past him either. The kid’s good.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, I think he’s just as likely to go back to Russia. But who knows, trying to figure out what is going on in the head of his is impossible.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In any case, I like the way 28 is handling his contract negotiations: who’s paying $6M for ‘a player to be tamed later’?
by redlineblue on Nov 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Last comments I’m going to make on the Semin camp.
To realistically think about keeping him next year, we’re going to have to shell out 6-7M for him and Backstrom, each. Not too hard to do with Theo gone and Nyls $$ in Hershey at the worst. If he won’t take 6-7, we let the RFA offers roll in. If he decides to bolt for the KHL (which I strongly feel he will no matter what, I’ve never felt the guy wants to play here) is that REALLY that bad of a situation to be in?
The right strategy here MIGHT be to resign him for 6-7 (or less if he doesn’t pick his shit up this year), and if not, LET HIM BOLT to the KHL or get 2 first rounders from some other team.
Semin scares me. A 27-30 year old Semin on another team really scares me. While letting him bolt for the KHL gets us nothing in return for developing him, it does give us 6-7M to sign a winger to replace him in the FA market and keeps him out of the hands of another team in the East.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember also. It’s a contract year. The better he plays for us down the stretch, the more money he’s due. I like our prospect of having a goalie AND top-flight winger in that situation. If he falters, he’s cheaper.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semin is not Jagr. I also don’t think Semin has any intention of leaving while Ovechkin is here.
Desire to be in WSH, I don’t think is his problem.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not so sure. We’ve got a kid from Siberia who’s now here in DC, one of the fastest-paced cities in the world. Has to be quite the culture shock. While I see skill in his game, I don’t necessarily see the passion witnessed from other players, nor the desire to improve his media interaction.
Part of me wonders if he longs to be home, and really just wants to go back to the KHL where life is a bit more normal for a kid from Siberia.
It’s been a long time since we had the dueling alexes of the 06-07 season. Watching them that year, I really got the warm-fuzzy like this was going to be a dynamic duo for years to come. I just don’t get that feeling anymore from Semin.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hangs out with Ovechkin, on purpose, who has got to be one of the most boisterous personalities, ever. He’s not shying away from the fast pace.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and there are cities far more frantic than DC. If you aren’t a political junkie (and I’m got this suspicion that perhaps Russian hockey players don’t really give two hoots about health care reform and stunts involving trying to change the census), DC is fairly laid back.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s shy Sasha looking nice-n-relaxed at Megasport Ice Complex in Moscow for Team Russia Olympic Camp:

IS PЯACTICE ICE NOW
by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were 25, shy and single, I’d hang out with a tail-magnet like Ovie too… if you catch my drift.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get the impression that Semin is shy in Russia, if you get MY drift.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the working definition of “not shy in Russia”:

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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You assume those girls aren’t from Chernobyl.
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn you. I was about to post the exact same picture.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post this one instead:

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that’s kinda my point, about why I believe he’s more likely to go back to Russia than want to stay here and have to scoop up Ovie’s… …how would Avery put it?
by FFSEnough on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ancillary kooch?
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the party was all about Ovechkin… Semin’s just riding his coattails here… and notice… the gal’s on top… passive-aggressiveness?
Aw, that’s a nasty shot with the Avery comparison… nobody’s as bad as Avery! (I hope)
by localhead on Nov 6, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Semin throw the party in the first place?
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he decides to bolt for the KHL (which I strongly feel he will no matter what, I’ve never felt the guy wants to play here)
I have the same feeling, too. He’s in the NHL because, well, that’s what you do when you’re as good as he is. But I’m not sure he’s had that burning desire to go halfway around the world to prove he can not only play against the best, but be the best. The guy is a total rink rat who happens to be supremely gifted. I’m sure he’s happy to be making boatloads of money playing hockey, but sometimes I wonder if he’d be happiest just playing pick-up hockey at the local rink.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A 27-30 year old Semin doesn’t scare me. He’s a finished product….what you see is what you get. For another team he’d be a 40-45-85 guy if he could stay healthy for an entire season. (I think his numbers here in DC are inflated since he plays either with Ovi or on the 2nd line against lesser competition.) While those are good numbers, they’re not great. I simply believe he’ll never reach his full potential.
Yes, there are cases of forwards where it “clicks” in their mid-to-late 20s and they blossom, Mike Knuble being an example. Problem is, those players usually are on the brighter side. I don’t think much of Semin’s hockey sense, and judging by his trendline, I am very comfortable assuming he will never fall into this grouping. And that’s why I’m done with him.
by topshelf_22304 on Nov 6, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I truly believe that the cohesiveness of the team, especially as concerns Ovechkin and Backstrom, would be affected
Excellent point, Tuvan. To me, the risk of turning this team’s chemistry into Three Mile Island is far greater than the risk of potentially losing him for nothing by keeping him for the remainder of the season. While maddening to us fans, Semin is so ingrained into the core of this team that shipping him out would be akin to taking two steps forward and three steps back, in my opinion. The Caps should not make a trade that forces the rebuilding of chemistry in a championship-ready team. Sure, there’s plenty of time before the playoffs begin, and maybe it’s possible they get a couple of pieces that fit in immediately. I just hope that we don’t have to find out, and that Semin keeps his New Jersey-level Brain Farts to maybe once every 10 games or so.
by Cluster on Nov 6, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ask me after this weekend.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised you haven’t mention Kovalchuk yet, haha.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pull the trigger on that motherfucking deal instantly!
Other than that, I’m giving the 8-ball response.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So in hindsight, do the Caps make Semin-for-JBouw last season?
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I take that under any circumstances, unless Semin’s in a coma with a DNR.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not with jbow’s pending UFA status, no way.
by Natty Bumppo on Nov 6, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The time in the press box may actually be constructive for Ovechkin. Being forced to sit up high and watch what we watch from our (well those of us in the 400’s) vantage point for at least two more games may allow him to, well, see what we see.
And perhaps he may find some motivation to have a chat with his BFF.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point. And more than that, how they embarrass themselves with lack of effort from time to time.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can tell me from the CapsChick here (I’ve used “CapsChick” on almost every forum for years) by our differing opinions on Semin. I’ve been ready to move him for a while now. He is not a team guy…at least, not on this team. I don’t think he’s shown significant growth during his time in the NHL, and the small amount of maturity he gleaned under Feds’ tutelage has faded fast. More of a liability than an asset, IMO. Inconsistency is a tough thing to hang your hat on.
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Don’t worry, plans are in the works to change my posting name to my real name…soon you can be the only CapsChick around here, I promise! :)
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think of a trading partner.
What sort of team would want to take on a soon-to-be RFA who has a very real KHL option? You want to trade him to a contender who would be looking for a rental? The Caps aren’t the usual sort of team who would do that; they’re a contender themselves.
And, a player who is an RFA with other options is the sort of high-risk resigning that calls to mind the question, what do you expect to get in return? I suspect there is a discount for the risk.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nashville?
They’re a bubble playoff team, they’re really, really hurting for offense, and they know they probably can’t afford to resign him next year. He’ll be their second Alex Radulov.
by Wheeler on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Radulov and Semin both share the same patronymic: Valerievich. Russian middle names are a patronymic where a male father’s name is appended with -evich or -ovich.
Both are Alexander Valerievich.
by CapsFan75 on Nov 6, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good question, and it’s part of the reason I don’t think Semin gets traded during the season. Moving a guy with that much talent and that much salary in the middle of a season is hard to do, especially if it’s not a fire sale type move.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carolina.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way it happens within the Division.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, just trying to think of slumpers with cap room.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis and Minnesota come to mind for me.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’d maybe add LA also.
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 6, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
L.A. leading the league in goals scored (fourth in GF/GO), though, and they’re 6-2-2 in their last ten.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And have an enigmatic Rooskie of their own to deal with.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to have their enigmatic Rooskie.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fro for Semin in a heartbeat.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say “nyet” to that one.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, seems like kind of a sideways – if not backwards – step.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely backwards. Fro is nowhere near as good as Semin.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t sell Fro short, he’s a very, very good two-way player. Not as good as Semin is, but he’s excellent in his own right.
When I said I’d love to have him, I meant on the roster in general, not as a straight-up trade. He can go into the corner and get pucks, control the pace create pressure in the offensive zone.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s always going to be sold short when compared to the two players he’d be lining up with, and the one he’d be replacing.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’d pull the trigger on that straight-up. Semin definitely has more upside than Fro, is younger and probably fits better with the BB system. More skilled right now, too.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better defensive player, will still get you 30 goals in this system. Probably won’t cost as much as Semin, either. I’d do the deal.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better defensive player
I disagree – Semin is an elite defensive player when he wants to be. The numbers from last season back that up, too. He has one of the best sticks in the league and can play positionally sound hockey, for all that people have been bashing his hockey sense.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No question, Semin would be great on the PK if he could get a shot, he’s that good defensively WHEN HE WANTS TO BE. Fro is a solid defensive player consistently though. Maybe you try to get a pick out of LA to go along with it, but I don’t see it as a huge step backwards like you folks.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re giving up chemistry and pure talent to get a little more defensive consistency. Frolov will never astound us with his plays or anything, and, most importantly, probably isn’t quite good enough to be Alex’s go-to wing. The sheer terror in our opponents’ eyes when they see 8 and 28 rushing at them is worth more than a tad better defense.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I dunno. Frolov has never really had super elite linemates like Backstrom or Ovie. I just think it’s not as wide a gap as everybody’s saying, that’s all.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean.. goal totals Fro/Semin for the last few years:
35/38
23/26
32/34
Fro has less assists because he gets stuck with second/third liners in LA. He’s not as offensively dazzling, but he’s clearly very effective.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Fro takes WAY fewer penalties, but that’s no surprise.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The numbers are fine, and I don’t usually disagree with them, but I think that sells Semin short. i don’t know Fro’s games played, but Semin hasn’t ever had a full season, and still puts up those numbers. I know consistency and health are big factors, but Semin is an irrefutably far superior player.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reliability and health are indeed big factors, ones that I can’t as easily dismiss as you. I think that’s where we differ!
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not dismissing them, just saying that we will be far less impressed with Fro because he puts up those numbers over full seasons, instead of abbreviated ones. The full season is nice, but it’s obvious he’s not putting up numbers anywhere close to what Semin is per game.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But look at context: He doesn’t now and never has had an OV or a Backstrom to play with. His assist totals blow up on a line with 8 and 19, even if it’s just once or twice a week like Semin sees. He’s a slick playmaker.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true: he could Zubrus. But the thing is that Semin put up his best numbers when Ovechkin wasn’t. Fro is not the type to work by himself (from the admittedly small sample I’ve seen/read).
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s pretty much working by himself right now, and making his linemates more successful as he goes. Handzus and Simmonds don’t produce like they are without Frolov.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he’s also with them because he’s not with Kopitar or Brown. maybe he’s being misused (i know he was benched for practically no reason early this year), or maybe he’s just not that good.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a guy that needs a change of scenery!
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But I’m not sure that’s what Semin needs. I absolutely agree on behalf of Fro, though. I’d love to have him if it didn’t mean getting rid of Semin.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my original point, yeah.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right. I went back and re-read and missed that part.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if it was Semin for Fro and, oh, Oscar Moller?
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d pull that trigger.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fro also has fewer assists because Alex Semin is a dazzling playmaker. The guy can flat out pass, especially on the power play. His cross-crease passes are a thing of beauty and he does the little things to move the defense and open passing lanes when he has the puck on his stick. Now if only the power play would do that without the puck on their sticks.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, more skilled than Frolov, but Frolov will dig in corners and crap like that which we only see Semin do with a ton of regularity in the playoffs or when he feels like it in the regular season.
That said, I’m probably happy enough with Semin.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semin has actually been spectacular on the boards this season. I didn’t notice that about him last year, but it’s very likely in a scrum along the boards that Semin is coming out with the puck.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been seeing that since Feds came to DC, especially in that Philly series.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I’m not a fan of 8/19/28 on a consistent basis. I’d rather see more balanced lines with Knuble or Laich skating with AO and Nick, while Sasha skates with BMo and either Knuble, Laich or even Flash, if we want a pure skill line.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it above, but the 8-19/9-22 lines have not impressed me. I think 9-22 have chemistry, and I think that 8-9 have chemistry, but I really haven’t liked what I’ve seen from the group as a whole. There’s something about 8 or something about 22 that just doesn’t work as well as it seems like it should.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me if this sounds crazy, but could it be that the 8-22 combo would be more impressive in a vacuum? In other words, would it be easier to appreciate them playing together if the image of 8-28 (on a dominant night) wasn’t in our minds?
Just to clarify, I’m asking in all seriousness – since I’m kinda a hockey noob, I’m interested to hear what everyone’s opinion is about their play…
by KellyinDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don’t think that’s it. It’s clear they don’t have much chemistry, yet, or at all. Knuble’s also not as fast as Semin is, and I do wholeheartedly think that’s part of it.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True – I hadn’t thought about the speed part. Obviously Knuble’s net presence doesn’t do much good if he’s still at the red line when Ovi’s taking a shot…
by KellyinDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest, speed is only an issue because of how 8 plays. If we established possession low in the opponent’s zone 22’s speed wouldn’t be an issue. Ryan Smyth plays with Anze Kopitar. He’s nowhere near as fast as Kopitar but when LAK establishes possession in the zone Smyth trails the play and heads to the net. As capable as 8/19 are of establishing a dominant cycle, they rarely do it.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kopitar’s also looking to make the pass, where the speed of his linemates isn’t nearly as important as for Ovechkin, who wants to shoot or pass as quickly as possible. Knuble’s not fast enough for those plays, and he’s also usually not going to be taking passes from Ovechkin, so I just think that line is doomed to failure unless Knuble does nothing but cherrypick so that he can be there when AO is.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Knuble has played and been successful with faster skaters than him his whole career. I’d also like to see Backstrom carrying the puck into the zone more often.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s kinda what I’m getting at: Ovechkin carries the puck in 9/10 times, and then does something with it. Knuble barely touches it outside the offensive zone and isn’t fast enough to keep up with Ovechkin when he streaks down the wall. If Backs, though, takes it even 4/10 times, then you’ve got a better chance of getting Knuble involved. It’s just not there with Ovechkin, yet.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LA’s getting some seriously high scoring right now, is 6-0-2 in their last 8 and just blissfully thumped the Pens last night. I don’t think they’re in the market for a Semin-type guy.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but we’re 6-1-3 in our last 10 and possibly in the market to send a message, so who knows?
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by Bald Pollack on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’d have an all-Swede center corps before long.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As a guy that wears a Tre Kronor jersey to most games, I’d be cool with that.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to re-buy my Backstrom…. :-(.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
STL has Berglund, Perron, Boyes, Backes (slow start notwithstanding) and Oshie. Not sure they need scoring. Completely agree with MIN. I’d add maybe EDM now that Gagne and Cogliano have cooled off and don’t look like the second coming.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
St. Louis is also 25th in the league is goals for per game.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That’s a bit of a shock. I know Tkachuk started hot an cooled down. But I thought they were having a better year than that. I still think the only way we get 85 cents for Semin is to trade him to a team with a bare offensive cupboard. STL doesn’t strike me as one of those teams, but maybe JD disagrees. The question with them is what do want back from them? I guess Oshie and a grinder might be worth it (but I don’t think Oshie is available). I’d accept one of those young guys instead probably.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oshie is going to be the next Dustin Brown. Love to have a guy like that on the Caps.
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Backes scores 30+ goals. He also tends to have a ton of penalty minutes, over 100. He is also a dirty player.
Do I want to trade Semin for him? He** no. (As a Semin fan, he’s one of the last guys I want to see him get traded for.)
by CapsFan75 on Nov 6, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Backes hasn’t done shit this season, but yeah, he’s still a good player. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t mind a 30 goal SOB on the team. I’d rather our 30 goal scorer rack up PIMs being an asshole than getting a bunch of lazy stick fouls that have no positive externalities (like making guys keep their heads on a swivel or just generally wearing them out).
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe but I don’t see SDR having 30 goal potential.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Backes has yet to prove that last year wasn’t a flash in the pan. But if he were to show that he can be a consistent 30 goal guy then that is EXACTLY the type of guy that would make trading Semin worth it. YOu get back much of the scoring and a guy who can play on the scoring lines, help stand up for the Caps skilled players and add to the team toughness that has been discussed so much the past couple days.
So he hurt Semin with a cross check that happens several times in every game. That’s not even close to a good reason to not want him on the Caps, IMO. Sure, it wasn’t a clean play, but it was something that happens in hockey all the time, and he just happened to do it to an injury prone guy. The way some Caps fans talk about Backes you’d think he intentionally runs over puppies.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see how we could be excited for SDR and shun Backes.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or revere Hunter and shun Backes.
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by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are gonna have to get paaaaaaid pretty soon..
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by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just wants to be THE guy. I don’t know.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, best post picture ever? It’s like he’s saying, “Hey, I know you fuckers are talking about me. Think I care?”
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He’s an introvert. We’re not likely to get a very good bead on any of his moods.
by localhead on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s gazing into our souls…
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 6, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s mine 5 cents. Even with Sasha’s "epic" inconsistency, his production has progressively grown since the first year in DC. I don’t see any reasons (barring some serious injury, which is possible) why his point total should be lower than year before. That brings us to question, whether GM can bring RW, capable of scoring 80 points a year. Unless we trade for some top4 defensive-minded defensemen, any major progress in blueline is unlikely. Moreover, though I believe that Varly is good long-term option, we have 2 goalies, who are bound for some ups and downs.
And here’s a look at 28 from salary cap angle. Let’s just imagine that Sasha starts to play like we all want him to play. In harsh salary cap era GM gonna have hard time resigning both 19 and 100 point, MVP-like Semin. At least now his regular failures can be used to limit his possible salary.
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by what the puck on Nov 6, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent points regarding increasing production and finding someone to replace him. Unless a potential deal offers killer value in return, is cap friendly, and not too disruptive to team chemistry, then it aint getting done.
by S h a g g y on Nov 6, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it appears i’m late to the party. but trading semin would be dumb.
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Support your position. I’m not saying I agree or disagree, but add something beyond flatly stating that trading 28 would be dumb.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We have no organizational depth with as much talent as semin has in his left pinky. he’s 26… still several years away from his assumed and average league “prime” age. He fills an enormous scoring role and is easily the 2nd best scorer on the team. What value do we gain by trading him right now? I’ll tell you, nothing. We have several D men in the making 1 of which could possibly be up this year in Alzner that I think could mold into the D man we want/need. Sure Semin takes dumb penalties sometimes…but sometimes he also doesn’t. Maybe this is just poorly placed article in light of a bad game by him the other night and judgment is clouded… I think people are overreacting…if tonight semin scores 2 goals everyone will go in the opposite direction and love the guy..
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ps. i wrote this with the assumption that everyone has probably been stating the need for a Defensive D man..since that’s all everyone wants these days.
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pss. i’m not saying having a good Defensive D man is unnecessary, though.
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What value do we gain by trading him right now? I’ll tell you, nothing.
Well, no, you get whatever the return on the trade is. I don’t think anyone thinks that moving Semin would be addition by subtraction, but that’s not the issue. The issue is whether Semin or what he’d bring back in a trade have more value for this team.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. and the return wouldn’t be worth it YET…unless the deal was only good from the capitals perspective…
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what i said wasn’t clear: trading semin now is not a good idea. unless we get back more than what semin is worth
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s almost a vacuously true statement.
By definition, a trade that gets us what he’s worth is a trade worth making.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I feel like that implies that Semin has a defined, objective value which I’m not sure is true. Different players have different values to different teams, and if the Capitals can get something that is more valuable than Semin to them, it’s a good trade, even if Semin is of more value to the team they’re trading with (after all, that’s why trades get made).
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. If the Capitals make a trade with someone (for the heck of it, let’s say St. Louis) and it makes St. Louis better and makes Washington better, that’s a good trade for Washington. Unless you’re talking about a trade within the division or with a potential skilled playoff opponent in your own conference (i.e. Philly or Pittsburgh) a trade that makes your team better is a good trade.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are a lot of other considerations with semin too and his relationship with other players on the team and that sort of thing. Yes, a successful trade is one that makes a team better but also, using your example, st. louis is not as good as semin i wouldn’t see that as on the front being a good trade to make…sure maybe we trade semin for brendan witt and witt goes off and single handedly leads the team to a cup…GREAT TRADE! but from the front of it, its hard to actually pull the trigger on that deal because semin is much more valuable
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant St. Louis the team, not the player (sorry for that).
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow seeing this was like seeing one of those pictures where you can look at it two ways and one is an old lady and one is a young hottie..completely reshaped everything you said and my [mis]understanding of it. weird
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you sold Marty a little short there. He’s fast and skilled and has a Cup. Sure, not that many years left, but that could be a blessing in disguise, as after the Young Guns come the secondary scorers (Flash and Fehr are RFA IIRC) and then the goalies.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cup has nothing to do with how good he is as a player. The worst Pens player on the roster last year has a cup and Alex Ovechkin doesn’t.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To that end: Chris Dingman has two Cups, which is one more than Crosby, Ovechkin, and Iginla combined.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does add value though. After seeing Malkin in 07-08 I wonder if Ovechkin and Co are prepared to play 100 games in a season.
by red army line on Nov 7, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ovechkin’s performance last year made you think that he wasn’t ready to go 100? He was already at 93 and going strong.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 7, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, addition fail. I meant 110. I don’t have as much a problem with Ovechkin, but Semin, Flash, Fehr…point is someone who went the distance recently like St. Louis does have value in that he can prepare his teammates for what lies ahead. At any rate, St. Louis is still good
by red army line on Nov 8, 2009 2:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you take a Semin for Van Riemsdyk trade, just out of curiousity?
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a proven scorer vs. a non-proven power forward? no. i wouldnt
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a proven scorer with the many flaws we’ve mentioned, who is a pending RFA and possible KHL flight risk vs. a young stud with a high ceiling? hell yes.
10 out of 10 Flyers fans would not do this trade, though.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s why I asked, I agree with this. if the payout is someone like this, then I’d say go for it. Anything less, not so much.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sorry i forgot NHL players didnt have flaws. my bad
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we’re talking about a 20 year old power forward type who was taken #2 overall two years ago and is scoring better than a point a game in his first 10 NHL contests. hardly saying semin is garbage.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know you’re not saying semin is garbage…nor am i saying JVR is…but that, right now, would be a trade nobody would pull the trigger on
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I simply don’t think that’s true – there are plenty of people out there who’d take JVR over Semin.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Based on to fill a need? For the Caps, I would. Rookie hunger I think translatees into a positive, plus he’s a center.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody in Philly.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they have their injury-prone winger already.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no, he’s health-prone. Occasionally.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Expounding; JVR looks fairly slow on his skates, has an injury history and was neutralized by physical play in juniors. There’s no way I pull the trigger on that at this point.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Sick and sore” Sasha has no injury history? :-)
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he does, but I don’t like hearing “Injury-prone” and “Power Forward” applied to the same player.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Eric Fehr says what?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Despair over Fehr. Void Boyd.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d much rather Giroux than JVR, for the record.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s fine. I asked more to see what would be acceptable in a trade coming back. JVR looks to be pretty good, and good sooner rather than later. Giroux, too. And Doughty. And Bogosian. Etcetera.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No chance we get either Bogo or Doughty for Semin straight up.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, expounding. In my opinion, those guys are the anchors for their teams’ bluelines for years to come, maybe longer than a decade. I would be shocked if each doesn’t turn in a couple of Norris-caliber years within that time frame and weren’t consistently among the top handful of Dmen in the league.
I would love to make either of those trades.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re killing it today KHtD.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m posting a lot, anyway.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and I said this before I saw all that shit you wrote that I disagree with.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[Obligatory JVR choked for Team USA]
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he does not turn 26 until March.
Plus, he has not been the only player taking dumb penalties lately. He had been pretty good this year for the most part (except the Detroit game and the NJ game). Of course, those two games were epic fails, especially the NJ game. Even many ardent Semin lovers had abandoned him.
Semin is not the only guy on our team taking dumb penalties. He just gets credit for it.
by CapsFan75 on Nov 6, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not about him taking dump penalties in addition to everyone else. It’s about us having higher expectations for him than everyone else.
If everyone single one of our D went a game without moving their feet and taking lazy stick fouls and getting burned with slow feet would you say “it’s ok that Mike Green took lazy PIMs and didn’t move his feet, because neither were Schultz and Shamo and Juice and Erskine.” No, you’d be like “fuck that, Mike Green is one of the best skaters in the league, probably best on the team, and he wasn’t using his feet. I don’t care how slow those punks are I want Mike Green moving his feet and using that speed.”
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semin is not the only guy on our team taking dumb penalties. He just gets credit for it.
And he does it more often, and he’s been doing it for years.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if we could get a guy like Patrick Sharp back?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the blackhawks would certainly love that if they could make their cap work….
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great defensive player.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have unabashed love for Patrick Sharp. Not saying I’d be willing to part w/ Semin for him, of course…but do you think they’d still be interested in a bald Swedish center who recently tore it up in the AHL?
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, because they couldn’t make the cap hit work, especially with Kane, Barker and Toews all needing contracts. They’re as tight against the limit as we are.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. You mean they wouldn’t part with one of their better players for a guy who doesn’t fit in a system similar to yours yet costs even more? There goes my career as a GM.
…just felt like being a bitch, sorry :P
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was a trucker for 14 months, it takes more than that to get under my skin.
However, I should have caught that as being tongue-in-cheek.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s okay, you’ll learn to pick up on the signs. Small animals flee, the tide changes, etc. If I wanted to be REALLY obvious I could just say I wanted him on the team because he’s so damn pretty.
…and that’s only part of the reason, I swear. Ahem.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a crush on Sharp, too.
Fight, you time-wasting figure skaters!
by boutros23 on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They might have to move some suckers to make room for all that money. I wonder if they’d like a goalie prospect..
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. A lot depends on this year. They have two young ones they are trying out right now and Niemi has looked alright. I think they’re just looking for young guys with potential that could contribute in a few years but won’t cost much in the short term. I’d let them put together almost any package that doesn’t include Carlson, Alzner, and Varlamov or Neuvirth.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. But they may want to move Sharp for picks and prospects. I’d do that in a heartbeat.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, no question – if we had the cap room, there’s no reason not to make that move. Only so many of our picks/prospects will make it, time to start using at least a few of them as trade bait.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ted should have asked for a prayer for Semin the other day also. If he screws up again tonight, may God have mercy on his soul.
by CapsFan2020 on Nov 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re kidding, but this is the kind of attitude that i think some here seriously have. a guy that does so much for the team in scoring has some problems with lousy penlaties and everyone thinks he should get the axe…
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just lousy penalties, it’s that he makes bad decisions, has night where he’s invisible, and fails to do much to help the team on a regular basis.
It’s not an issue of giving him the ax, it’s an issue of whether the team could leverage him as an asset in to other assets that are more likely to help them win the Stanley Cup.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s hard to disagree with the idea of having a chance to win the cup – but malkin is the same way as semin….invisble on some occasions, game changer on the other but yet malkin would be considered un-tradable…
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Malkin is a far more prolific talent than Semin though. If you look at his point totals and the amount of penalties he draws, it’s not all that close.
by Kolzilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that the way the Caps play they need that guy who can take over a game on the 2nd line in the same way Malkin does for the Pens, and Semin if you ask me is one of probably less than 20 forwards league-wide who can do that. Add in Ovechkin, arguably Green, plus a goalie (Varly?) and it’s a recipe for success against anyone.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Malkin’s also scored 219 points over the last two seasons and plays a position that’s more important and harder to find elite scorers at.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that was dumb. but my point still remains that semin is 26 and clearly hasn’t fully ‘grown up’ .. i say we keep him
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At what age is he grown up?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it’s happening slowly – he’s become a lot more defensively responsible and it’s a fact that he knows his penalties are a problem…just like is defense WAS…i think he’s continually maturing
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree that it’s harder to find elite scoring centers. I think there are far more elite Cs than Ws. But Malkin is so much better that it’s not even close to an equivalent analogy with Semin.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consistent.
I’m not sure I’d bet against Semin one-on-one, though.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I follow…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
More consistent than Semin, but comparing them one-on-one, I think they’d come out even. I wouldn’t agree that Malkin is better, but more consistent, if that makes sense.
Obviously, doesn’t mean shit. Just saying is all.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got ya. I think Malkin is better and more consistent. Maybe not more skilled but he’s a better hockey player.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More of a big fuckin’ tank, too.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Malkin is a thin guy, he wasn’t even 200 lbs last season and he’s taller than Ovie. He’s strong, but he’s not a tank.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he must wear huge pads all over his body. he looks like a tank.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skates through people like one.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Malkin is more consistent, but I think with Semin at his best and Malkin at his best you have comparables (throwing position out the window). Malkin is the better passer and playmaker, Semin the better defensive player and better shooter. Semin’s upside is really high, but he hardly reaches close to it, while Malkin will get close more frequently.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semin at his best though is a site to behold, both playmaking and finishing. There’s no doubt in my mind that playmaking comes more naturally to Malkin, but I don’t think he’s a shoe-in.
This says it, though:
Semin’s upside is really high, but he hardly reaches close to it, while Malkin will get close more frequently.
I’d go so far as to say that Semin’s upside is the highest in the league, it’s just that much harder to attain.
Then again, if he had Ovechkin’s work ethic, he’d be the perfect player, so… whatever.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And with Boudreau’s fuse being so short and with a propensity to call out players in the press, any gaffe will be overly magnified. God bless us when Semin makes a dumb blind drop pass resulting in a Horton breakaway/goal. Because you know the gods are lining us up for that.
I tell you: we need some hellacious goaltending and/or aggressive PK and /or productive PP over the next 4 games. This a funky funk the Caps are stewing in.
by S h a g g y on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And it’s not like this is a new issue. We’re not judging him based on the game @NJD. We are judging him based on 5 years.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was kind of joking a little bit. He is getting crucified on all the Caps message boards right now but he kind of deserves it. I mean can he not have at least one good game a week. That’s not too much to ask for, is it? I mean he hasn’t had a good game since we played the Flyers.
by CapsFan2020 on Nov 6, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think some players have been battling some sickness particularly semin when he was out. i know i had the flu and i didnt feel “normal” for a couple weeks..my body was so drained it’s hard to explain. Zero energy and even after my symptoms were gone my stamina was so low.
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My issue is that doesn’t explain the mental gaffes. Might explain lack of explosiveness in his game, but hooks are hooks.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it does, in a way. If a player isn’t 100%, I’d say they’re more likely to try and get away with a lazy stick penalty than chase a guy down a check him.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
See: Gordon, Boyd. That’s my theory on his ridiculous penalty rate to start the year, I don’t think he’s been healthy for awhile.
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
77 PIM last year.. pretty sure he wasn’t sick the whole time.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, not the whole time. But it never strikes me as unusual when a guy starts taking a bunch of lazy penalties and then a couple days later he comes out that hes sick or hurt.
And then sometimes lazy penalties are just plain lazy penalties.
77PIM last season. How much of that is from the bongo incident? 15?
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still a bunch of stick fouls.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no arguement. And if anyone was the poster child for dumb stick penalties, it’s Siberian Snowflake. But that doesn’t negate my other point.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he takes a lot of stick penalties because he’s frequently hurt? Makes as much sense as any other explanation.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a combination of hurt and stupidity is my explanation.
by RedBirdie on Nov 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, agreed.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, how’d he get an odd number of PIM…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Delay of game major for an in-game jam session.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz he’s freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee as a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiird noooooooooooow!!!
[holds lighter in the air]
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not just now that he’s having problems: he’s always had them, and they seem to be getting worse.
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semin has less pk time this year because he’s always in the box.
Kidding aside, I do think he needs to get back ok the PK. It seems like that’s when he’s had Some of hid best stretches of hockey.
One guy just drove his semi as a float. I guess semis are cool.
by zephyr on Nov 6, 2009 4:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Plus Dave Steckel becomes an elite SH goal scorer.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On numerous occasions Ovy has talked about how he and Semin are just on the same page when they play together and simply understand what each other is doing without even having to discuss it.
Sasha and Ovie: the new Sedin Brothers?
by Whisp on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cycle like the Sashas.
IS PЯACTICE ICE NOW
by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they’re on the same page, and Semin’s on the wrong page…
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha, awesome (and not awesome at the same time).
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I’ll be at Front Page, drinking my anger away.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With GreenLife52 guest bartending.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d trek down for that. I wonder how many times he’d here some variation on a “cup” of beer.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Waive Semin…Move Clark to Kettler snack bar manager and shut down Nylanders direct deposit paycheck and maybe he will just go away.
by SA-Town on Nov 6, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bob Slydell: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.
McPhee: Great.
BB: So, uh, Nylander has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the glitch. So he won’t be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it’ll just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.
Russian Machine very rarely breaks.
by macvechkin on Nov 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Awesome. Seriously – and if only we could do that, right? Risk Nyles burning down VC and everything.
Hey, maybe then we’d get an arena w/ good ice!!
by Becca H on Nov 6, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me, I b-believe you have my stapler…
by mercurialwinger on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I firmly believe it’s far too early to be screaming “trade Semin!” He’s a key part of the Capitals, as the second half of this roundtable touches on.
"My face is my mask."
by jakeshapiro on Nov 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No one’s screaming “trade Semin!”, at least not in the discussion.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i realize i looked like a dick by saying that..and that wasn’t my point. my point is…i thought that’s what this is about entirely..particularly your portion of the post
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a world of difference between saying the Capitals should look at trading the guy and “screaming ‘trade Semin!’”.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
come on. you know what he means.. this is a post saying the capitals should trade semin and what people thing about it
by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No. I know what he said, which is that it’s too early to be screaming “trade Semin!”. And considering a trade is different than calling for someone to be shipped out.
It’s not a post saying the Capitals should trade Semin. It’s a discussion about what do with him, where the possibility of trading him is raised. Even then no one said he should be traded. I think I was the one most in favor of the idea, and even I was calling for it as an absolute:
I think they have to get back, at the very least, a guy who can score in the mid-twenties in goals and who does things to help the team win even when he’s not scoring…Otherwise you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
It comes down to what the potential return is. If the Caps can get guys who help them or in the near future, I think they should make a move. If all other teams are offering back are picks, over the hill players, or mediocre prospects I can see the value in keeping him for this year’s playoff run.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ok man. you’re one of the few people here i regularly agree with so i’m not going to argue with you anymore. haha, i think i’ve done that enough today.

by aaw6848 on Nov 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
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by winterion on Nov 6, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec=+1, so I guess youz been unrec’d
by red army line on Nov 6, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Seminocentaur: half Semin, half horse, half Red Bull.
by S h a g g y on Nov 6, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d, if only because we don’t have enough good Photoshoppers here at the Rink.
DMG, I apologize for my hyperbolic speech. I just mean that I think it’s premature to make decisions regarding 28’s status on the team at this point in the season. The discussion here has been pretty insightful, though. I hope Ted reads it.
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by jakeshapiro on Nov 6, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Err, the Minotaur didn’t have any horse in him, just bull. Which is somewhat appropriate with respect to last night’s game, I suppose.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re confusing Minotaur with Centaur.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, just thought I’d point out what was wrong.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good hustle.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what does this have to do with A-Rod?
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by crabchowdah on Nov 7, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This.
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by J.P. on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would we be having this discussion at all
if our D corps was stronger and PK wasn’t kinda pitiful, as of late?
me thinks no.
the team should probably explore strengthening the D from within the organization before flirting with the idea of letting Semin/Bongos/LeLapin go.
by ns on Nov 6, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it’s more fun to do tradey what-ifs.
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your line of thinking. I don’t think anyone would dispute we are at least one man short in D-man category, though I think belief is that the answer lies down in Hershey, at least with the org.
Semin being an RFA puts him on the front burner.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it after the last game, but what bothers me most about Semin’s play of late is what it says about our team. Are we the kind of team that doesn’t really care if some don’t play hard every night? Do we reward habits that lead to playoff success and try to root out those that don’t? Semin’s BS has brought those issues to the forefront. It’ll be very interesting to see how #28 responds tonight.
by Kolzilla on Nov 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but how much of that is Semin and how much of it is BB? I dunno. I’m still not sold on trading Semin. The entire team seems to be in a funk, really, this season, and I have a little niggling that BB"s responsible for some of it.
But we shall see tonight….
by Vinn on Nov 6, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just came across my mind. Shall we wake up some morning and find things a little bit boring without 28?
Wouldn’t rink rats here miss Semin? This Shakespeare-some level of drama. To trade or not to trade? Will he ever improve or not? In fact, there’s not much to add to discussion. He was studied under microscope. But still one could only guess, what Sasha gonna do next game.
Hockey is played by humans. Some of them are hard to understand and accept.
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
by what the puck on Nov 6, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If there was ever any question whether the round table was a good idea or not, I believe the almost 400 comments to date pretty much answered any doubts.
A man gotta have a code
by CP2Devil on Nov 6, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The idea is great.
Yep. I wonder if there’s any other player on Caps roster besides Ovie, whose play/charisma can provoke such activity.
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
by what the puck on Nov 6, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this crowd? Several.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you mean like today with Semin?
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just today. I feel like 28 is second most discussed player. For sure the most controversial.
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
by what the puck on Nov 6, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhh, sorry. I misread your comment. I thought you mistook the entire convo to be about Ovechkin.
My bad.
Oh, and to answer that question: Schultz.
by DrinkingPartner on Nov 6, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should discuss this whole "Captain" thing
We need a Captain that is a difference maker on the ice!!!
[400 comments]
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Technically, we’re still less than 1/3 of the way to our CBo waivers commenting record.
Onward!
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by Your Nation's Capital on Nov 6, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was over like 3 or 4 posts though. How about counting the Recap v. NJD and I think there was some discussion elsewhere after that game.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schultz.
He just started to gather attention.
Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim.
by what the puck on Nov 6, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not around here, he didn’t.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 6, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to resign Semin Now...
Not only am I in NOT in the trade Semin catagory, I believe they need to resign him ASAP.
Without Semin in our line-up there is noone to take the scoring pressure off of Ovechkin. If it’s debatable whether with Semin the Caps are or are not a “one line” team what are they without him? And how many one goal teams have won the Cup? Think of how much easier a game teams would have against Pittsburgh if they let Malkin go?
Also I find it ironic that you start the article with a quote from Brendan Morrison, the other guy who sat for a lot of the last five minutes of the NJ game for taking boneheaded penalties.
I think that with AO out the Caps coaching staff needs to review how they use Semin – put him on the first linewith Backstrom and either Laich or Knuble. Also put him out there on the PK, it always seems to me that Semin plays more responsibly throughout an entire game when he’s used on the PK during that game.
There is nobody on the Caps Roster and few in the league other than Semin that can do what he can do with a sheet of ice, skates and a hockey stick – period. Trading him would be IMHO a collossal mistake.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Nov 6, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
First off it would be a sin punishable by firing to resign AS before Backstrom
Second, what line do you think Semin was playing on against NJD? Was it not the first line?
Who cares what BMo did. He’s a one year player that is going to be replaced.
How exactly did you want Semin to get more PK time when he was the one that took 3/5 of the PIM?
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Replaced by Perreault! High five!
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And how many one goal teams have won the Cup?
Putting aside the argument of whether a one line team has won the Cup (and how you define a one line team/whether the Caps are a one line team) how many teams win the cup by dedicating a ton of money to highly skilled but inconsistent players rather than getting hard working (albeit somewhat less skilled) players to support their star players?
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Nov 6, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is nobody on the Caps Roster and few in the league other than Semin that can do what he can do with a sheet of ice, skates and a hockey stick – period. Trading him would be IMHO a collossal mistake.
Yeah and there are few guys who could/can do what Alexei Kovalev, Alex Yashin, and Alexandre Daigle could do, but I wouldn’t want any of those guys.
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You and I are probably the only ones that feel that way. The NJ game pretty much cost Semin ALL of his good will. (He wasn’t bad for most of the year but when he’s bad, he’s horribl) But that game was bad, even for a bad game by Semin.
by CapsFan75 on Nov 6, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you could get a shutdown defenseman for Semin (or package including Semin), I think you have to do it. This team won’t win with this defense. That’s really then only solid argument for moving Semin, to get something you don’t have and can’t sign. It doesn’t make sense to trade him for another scorer, because there really isn’t anyone out there that has the upside (if he ever realizes his potential). If you’re going to resign him though, don’t tie up a lot of money for a long time. Two-to-three years chunks are good motivators for this youngster.
by NHL Observer on Nov 6, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
People want a shutdown D a lot for this team, but rarely name names. Who would you go after?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Suter! Kevin Bieksa!
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take it.
I thought we should have jumped on Jay McKee when he got bought out. That woulda been pretty sweet, eh?
Void Boyd! Go with Perreault!
by jordanDC on Nov 6, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Bieksa. Love.
Unfortunately I don’t think NHL 10 translates into real life…
by David M. Getz on Nov 6, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately. I haven’t played any of the NHL games since the 05 version but I had a sweet dynasty with Steve Eminger and Stanislav Chistov absolutely killing it.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 6, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For real, Jeff Schultz is leading my team in hits/fights and Nylander is 3rd in the league in scoring.
If only…
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
by Ovechkin on Nov 7, 2009 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look to Nashville, Columbus and Minnesota for shutdown D who might be available.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 7, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
However, I disagree with most of you. I feel as though the potential return we could get for Semin is in no way worth his amazing potential staying with the team. I think his agent and him both know that as a RFA, he’s not gonna get nearly as much as he could’ve (cause of the obvious injuries and inconsistency issues) and he LOVES it here, so I’m fairly confident that we can retain him for a decent price. I know this might sound weird, but there is a hidden benefit in keeping him in that we keep The Franchise, aka Red Jesus happy with his best friend in town. Also, a few of the ladies I know have huge crushes on him…
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
by Ovechkin on Nov 7, 2009 2:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry forgot to add this.
I feel as though he was very solid in the three playoff series that we’ve seen in him and the most recent one he was playing very injured. If we lose him we lose a deadly set play in the (random center) wins it back to Semin and he rifles it topshelf play
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
by Ovechkin on Nov 7, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eject Semin?
You could always trade him to Toronto for a first rou… Oh wait. Seriously, though I have to say that this is not a player that you trade. Sure he is not playing up to his full potential, but his numbers are still better than good. 35+ Goal scorers do not grow on trees and to jettison Semin for “not giving his all” is generally a bad move for the reason of chemistry. In all of sports chemistry matters more in hockey because of how fluid the game is and all 6 guys on the ice have to be able to act and react in concert. If they are as close as Ovie says it’s a mistake to let him go. If he wont sign and he’s going to be UFA, you trade him aside from that I know there would be plenty of teams that would like to have a guy that will hit the twine 35+ times a year.
by Schank on Nov 7, 2009 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying it would premature…to eject Semin…. right? Or is this an abstinence only post?
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 7, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, looks like I picked the wrong couple of days to go on a business trip. Not sure anyone’s still reading this thread anymore, but I think it’s criminal that nobody brought this up, particularly after JP said:
2) Have McPhee and Boudreau pull Ovechkin aside and ask him how to get through to Semin and follow it. Rely on AO to give the right answer, and if he doesn’t have an answer… well, there’s your answer.
I love both Alexes, I’d hate to see either of them go, and I think they’ve matured a lot since that game, but I think they both could use a little bit of Grow The Fuck Up. This team ain’t going to win a Cup until both Semin and Ovechkin (and I’ll throw Green in there too) mature a little more. They still have not had their Gretzky-Walking-Past-The-Islanders’-Locker-Room moment.
With that said, Semin has a history of improving his play in important games. (.86 PPG in regular season, 1.05 PPG in the playoffs) If he seems to lose focus in “unimportant” shifts, the corollary is that he picks it up when he thinks it matters. Not a good trait, but certainly better than the opposite. He’s infuriating, but when he’s on it’s beautiful, and if he really turns it on for the playoffs some year, I’d much prefer that he do that wearing a Caps uniform.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Nov 7, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Way to bring the hard hand. I’d like to think Game 7 v. PIT last year was a wake the fuck up moment, but I tend to agree with you that they still have a ways to go.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Fehr and Balanced on Nov 7, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with you. I love both the Alexes too and admit they need to grow up more but have come a long way.
Semin does improve for the more important games (or shifts). He is like my (elder) daughter in that regard who tended to do better in school for assignments or classes or tests that mattered and not as good in the stuff she felt didn’t matter.
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