Recap: Caps 3, Hurricanes 2
by Becca H on Nov 30, 2009 10:33 PM EST
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The Capitals have notoriously played down to their lesser opponents, and they don't get much lower than the Carolina Hurricanes right now. It's the reason so many Caps fans were looking at tonight's game with a mixture of apprehension and fear, and there wasn't much in the opening few minutes to allay those fears. But the Caps eventually got it together enough to scrap out a gritty road win with a shortened bench and a cloud of potential injury hanging over them.
When all is said and done, when the dust clears and the sun rises, this will go into the books as just another win, just another two points. It was truly one of the more bizarre games the Caps have played so far this season, though, with everything from injuries to ejections to great individual efforts to funny bounces - and everything in between.
And in some ways that's fitting. Ten more notes on the game:
- Let's get this out of the way right now - the Alex Ovechkin hit. Was it intentional? Probably not. Was it dangerous? Absolutely. This is now the second time in three games that Ovechkin has been ejected from a game (despite leaving with an injury anyway) and of the two, this was probably the more worthy of discipline. We'll see what the League has to say...but for now our biggest concern is #8's health and well-being. Ovechkin writhing in pain on the ice is not a sight we're accustomed to seeing.
- The ongoing Ovechkin saga may get more media attention tomorrow, but it was the work of one man that deserves much more - and for only good reasons. Jose Theodore made his return to the net and put together what was simply an incredible individual effort. He turned aside 15 of 16 shots in the first period en route to a 37-save performance and kept the Caps in it early when they were reeling and late when the lead was at risk. Tremendous effort by Theo tonight.
- If you're looking for another individual standout, look no further than Nicklas Backstrom. He scored the opening goal, helped Ovechkin off the ice and then simply took over the game. By the end of the night he'd picked up two goals, a beautiful assist on Fehr's goal, played physical, run the power play and even finished above 50% in the faceoff circle.
- As Caps fans we have every right to complain about yet another injury - we've taken our fair share of bites from the injury bug in the first quarter of the season. But if the Caps have been bitten by the bug, the Hurricanes have been and continue to be absolutely throttled by it. Add the freak injury to Joe Corvo to the growing list of wounded in Carolina red.
- Watching the first five minutes of this one was unsettling to say the least; the Caps were running around in their own zone, had already given up a power play goal and were relying on their goaltender to bail them out far too often. Luckily the tying goal came fairly quickly and seemed to settle the team down.
- Alexandre Giroux has no place on the top line of the Caps. Or anywhere on the Caps. Or the NHL.
- It's not unusual to see stats inflated for the home team, especially when dealing with a subjective statistic like hits. This time, however, it's not hard to believe that the Hurricanes racked up 45 hits. Whether or not all of them were the cleanest of hits, of course, is another issue. But then I guess we don't have much of a leg to stand on there (no pun intended).
- Eric Fehr continues to have a nose for the net, picking up his 10th point in 11 games and showing no signs of stopping. His goal off of Backstrom's ridiculous pass on the 2-on-1 was a goal-scorers goal, all finish - and something that a certain #33 probably isn't capable of. Just sayin'.
- Both goalies had a few issues handling the puck. Theodore's came late in the game, and his D bailed him out as the slow-dribbling puck was swatted away from a wide-open net by Jeff Schultz. Michael Leighton...well, he had a little less help. Backstrom's second goal was a bit of a gift (although still a pretty sweet backhand shot).
- In just three games, Karl Alzner seems to have settled in nicely. He's making smart plays and has added more of a physical edge to his game. And while he still has the odd mistake or mental breakdown, he's better at recovering and has really been strong in his short time with the big boys this year. Can we keep him?
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Alexandre Giroux has no place on the top line of the Caps. Or anywhere on the Caps. Or the NHL.
I agree wholeheartedly…. But with AO definitely out for at least a few games, does Bruce send 33 down and bring two guys up? Maybe a D-man and Sloan moves up? Or what?
Fehr is fair, but I like Laich
It’s not Bruce’s call, thank god.
But Giroux’s gotta go down. Get Osala up here and TBD. Guys may be coming back, maybe.
Keep telling that 1% that isn’t joking that having to pay 1/2 of Nylander’s salary for this year and next when he doesn’t clear reentry waivers is a hell that the Caps just don’t want to deal with. He will not be recalled. Period.
by HateOffSeason on Nov 30, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Recalled? He’s on the 23 man roster. That said, he’s not playing.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 1, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
is he? Because wouldn’t he have to have passed through waivers before he’s “recalled”? And on re-entry waivers, he could presumably be picked up for half the salary and I’m willing to bet some, injury-riddled teams would bite. His cap hit counts, but i don’t think he’s been recalled. I could be completely wrong though.
He didn’t ever have to be recalled, because he’s always been on the 23 man roster.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 1, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
And by “always”, I mean, you know, since he signed the contract.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
He was assigned on a rehab stint to Grand Rapids.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
hm. Is anyone ready to come off IR?
Because if Semin is, that sort of replaces AO – so Bruce has options regarding sending Giroux down, and then moving Sloan up front and bringing only a D up. Or, if Poti/S-Mo is ready…
I don’t know. There’s options though.
They actually said that Semin was skating pretty well at home today and will probably be back. We need you, Sasha!
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Agree.
Semin can take AO’s spot, so if they send Giroux down – I don’t see why either OO gets the call up or moving Sloan back to F so Poti can come back. Either way, the options aren’t bad. Thankfully.
Sloan already was back at forward today. I guess Beagle is back in the lineup. He was the healthy scratch today.
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Brain fart. The lack of sleep from studying is taking its toll. I really prefer Beagle not in the lineup, but I mean, anything that takes Giroux off this team would be nice.
If Semin’s back, then they can choose among Beagle, Giroux, and Sloan.
BTW, Giroux was +3 for the night.
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Ah, the magic of being on a line with guys who ACTUALLY do something. And yet another argument for how inaccurate the +/- stat can be.
True, true ;) Love that our standards for Giroux have become “well…at least he didn’t do anything blatantly bad”.
Fwiw, I think Giroux’s a fantastic AHLer. One of the best. I just think he’s got no place in the NHL, let alone on the top line.
oh yeah. The other thing is I think we have better options than Giroux, and that’s why it bothers me we have him there.
And I’m pretty sure tonight, whoever you stuck with Nicky and Fehr was going end up with a nice + regardless.
Fehr’s not normally on the line with Nicky but they were together for 2 goals. Any nominations for who to put on the line with Backstrom for Thursday? Rumor has it that Semin is coming back.
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If only the Penguins could claim Giroux off waivers. Then our plan to take the Pens down from the inside (i.e. Bourque) would almost be complete.
by J.B on Nov 30, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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I vote his trend goes to dunce hat. What a dumb hit.
by RedBirdie on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah… can we give him the bad red x mark? like when you get an entire question wrong on an exam and the prof just goes red swipe over your answer? the big bad red x mark for when you make a giant, glaring, dumb mistake that costs everybody you shouldn’t have?
Yes, give him that. Although he deserves much worse! Way to go, Alexander Mikhailovich. Way to f*** up a potential HOF career.
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The guy’s got years left in his career. Although it will have its dark spots, you gotta know, the good outweighs the bad so far. Ovie’s not known for hits like there, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want to be known as that type of person, either.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Unless this hit (or another hit) causes his career to end prematurely a la Eric Lindros. Overall, the good outweighs the bad for him (as it does for his best friend).
But, I really fear for his reputation. He will never, ever, ever again get the benefit of the doubt from the officials.
I think he’s more like a bull in the china shop than a goon.
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Precisely. As much as Pens/Rags/Phlegm fans will whine and cry, we all know what Ovie is capable of, and who he really is as a player.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, PG loves both of them. Hafta think him talking between the benches convinces the refs that MR and AO are gods. Or something.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s not at that point yet. and I hope it never does. I hope if he gets a suspension he really thinks about it and learns. An x mark never hurt anyone. Weekly ups and downs.
I think we should have a gold star symbol. Heh.
How about a question mark?
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
One person should get a gold star, then you keep a running tally of how many a player has gotten.
"And next year it will be ours."
Becca with the recap. F&B called it.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 30, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions
Beat me to it. Somehow she always gets stuck with the shitty ones.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
(And has done very well keeping up morale in the tough times. Thanks Becca.)
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Ha! Thanks…I think it’s part of the hazing process or something. You won’t convince me that JP and the gang aren’t psychic until I get to recap a 10-1 victory over the Pens or something.
And we’ll all smile for you. And here I thought I did the dirty work.
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It’s funny, I was sitting there after the second period thinking, “I don’t want to recap this game!” But it’s okay. I’d rather recap shitty games than not be on the Rink, you know?
Plus I didn’t take a teammate’s stick to the ear, so all in all my night’s not so bad ;)
And I will be singing that all day tomorrow…
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
he be scorin them goals,
makin them wish they were better
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Have they sent you on a snipe hunt yet?
Or sent you to find a right-handed tree bender?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Nov 30, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Or sent you next door for a pot of steam? You know, just hold the pot over their boiling kettle and capture some of their steam to bring home?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Haha. I’ve actually pulled off the pot of “steamed water” before. The poor kid was so confused. There’s also the classic left-handed smoke shifter.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
THEO! Yay, very thrilled for him.
WTF was up with Greenie’s skate tonight? weird. Oh, and this scruffy look he’s sporting? No, just no. Greenie, you’re baby faced. Scruffy doesn’t work. leave that to Fehr. He pulls it off much better.
The guys seem to be taking turns with the playoff look. I don’t remember so many beards during the season last year.
"The Caps fan doesn't say, 'is the glass half full' or 'is the glass half empty'. He wonders when the glass is going to spill."
Mine does that too (I have brown hair). I’m not really sure why.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Nov 30, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I need to keep some hard stuff around. Tonight definitely called for it when I came home and found out.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 30, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions
Trying to keep it there. The power of positive thinking. That, and I just can’t stomach the alternative.
well if they read burnside’s lame article, its bound to be more than a game or two. according to that article, essentially every hit ovechkin makes is dirty.
by twistedlogic on Nov 30, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
All I got from that was “blah blah blah Ovechkin blah blah blah suspend blah blah blah dirty blah blah blah nachos”.
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by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
ESPN’s hockey coverage is crap – although I do enjoy the occasional Bucci article.
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by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Burnside’s as qualified to write about hockey as I am to fly an FA-22.
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that’s pretty much what i was thinking. maybe not quite the FA-22 metaphor, but that works
by twistedlogic on Dec 1, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, it’s fly by wire. The computer flies it for you. How hard can it be?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
I know you're only joking but.. (click here for F&B Collapse Function)
Flying it is the “easy” part. Employing it is a different matter. Add in at least a dozen other tasks required from the assortment of screens, dials, switches, and gauges below at any given time.
Or as the cliche goes, flying a plane is easy. With modern wing design, the thing is naturally stable (stealth planes that are built unstable excepted, of course).
Now, landing, that’s hard. And landing on a short airstrip while under fire? Or landing on a ship in the ocean? Unreal.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
being where I am in the world, I missed the game…can someone elaborate on what happened with Ovi?
by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 30, 2009 11:06 PM EST reply actions
No excuses! I’m in Seattle too!
But anyway, he hit Gleason, knee-on-knee (Ovechkin’s right knee). The going logic around here has been that there was no INTENT, but it was definitely reckless. He was lying on the ice for a not-insignificant amount of time before being helped off without putting any weight on the leg. He also received a five-minute major and a game misconduct. I’m sure it’s on Youtube.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Nov 30, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
Seattle’s where I go to school, but I’ve been on a tiny little island in the Philippines since June! So yea, I think the 12 hour time difference is a good excuse! :)
And um, holy eff. That’s not the kind of recap I want to hear. Thanks though.
by SeattleCapsFan on Nov 30, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh. My apologies. Philippines is definitely a valid excuse.
by sixsevenfiftysix on Nov 30, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I think whoever starts in goal needs another helmet.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
With caution tape all over it
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
Saw the Ovie hit. Not good…yet I don’t think it deserves a five-game suspension. Ovie didn’t look like he had any bad intents…yet he got what he deserved there. Let this be a lesson to Ovie now and in the future: you can lay down the big hits sometimes, but you’ve gotta know when and how to do it.
On another note, Ballard? Yeah, start packing your bags.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
fwiw, Ballard is a steady enough D (uh, this incident notwithstanding) and he still logged 20 minutes tonight. Which I think puts him in the top 3 for Florida at least.
Florida’s D depth isn’t strong enough to send him packing yet I think.
Well, can’t he keep his bags packed just in case?
And by the way, via Friedman on Twitter:
“Ken Campbell quotes Colin Campbell as saying Ballard will not be suspended. Ovechkin? Sounds like a different story — ”http://bit.ly/7WxQjc" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/7WxQjc"
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Link freakout. But you get the idea.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t see how you could be suspended for injuring your own teammate in a (stupidly) freakish accident (i hope)… it’d be like further punishing your teammates :(
True, but he’s gotta redeem himself somehow.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Heh. But imagine the guilt he must be feeling right about now.
Not that that in any way makes up for what he’s done, but wow, he must be feeling pretty crap at the moment.
Ballard is a class guy from everything I’ve ever seen. Fans always liked him here in PHX. Never heard a bad thing about him from his teammates. Just had a mental cramp. Happens to all of us. Luckily most of aren’t in possession of a large weapon when it does. I saw the replay twice. Second time I cringed before he even made contact.
A man gotta have a code
Sorta like the goalie who lets in a crap goal in youth soccer and kicks the ball as hard as he can, in anger, right into the head of his best defender.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
This is what Kangaroo Kourt is for.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
Hey JP wanna trade me some offense?
I’ll give ya Brashear
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Yeah, we’ll take Brashear for Nylander. There’s your offense right there.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
at this point
I would think about it. Bring back Jagr!
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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Get on the phone with Glen Sather. Right now.
by Knee high to a duck on Nov 30, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
no need
he is probably already thinking about it. Hes into that whole “dumb trades” thing
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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well, he bought himself the tiniest sliver of goodwill by dumping the Gomez contract – I figure that gives him freedom to make at least two or three more dumb trades.
…hmm, think he’ll take Nylander for Gaborik? We’ll even throw in our healthy Alex!
Yeah but out of all of the bad contacts on the Rangers
Gomez was the best player. Imagine him with Gaborik right now? Sheesh
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by Joe Fortunato on Nov 30, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
that picture puts Gleason’s skate at a really awkward position.
The first thing I thought of was Vokoun’s ear.
well thats giroux there, so no worries
by twistedlogic on Nov 30, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
There are times when I wish the Department of Bad Puns at NHL.com would just take the day off. You know if this knee thing hadn’t happened, it would have been something about the Caps weathering a storm or storming the Hurricanes or something.
Not that I’m averse to puns in general, but seriously? The guy’s injured and possibly facing suspension.
Heh, I think this is one of the better ones.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
There is the reason Ovechkin was hurt, in full color… Alexandre Giroux was on the ice.
As for suspension, this time I think he gets one, and frankly should. Two misconducts in three games as a product of what were dangerous (if borderline eligible for major) infractions. If nothing else, a suspension would be an intervention. Ovechkin is playing a little too close to the edge, even for his style of play. There is a time to steamroll an opponent, and there is a time to let the play go on.
I still think this is some weird elaborate plot by the Canadians to ensure that Russia doesn’t win the gold in Vancouver. First Semin, then Ovechkin.
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by ThePeerless on Nov 30, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Ovi’s New Year’s resolution should be: cease and desist for the hits. He will never, ever again get the benefit of the doubt from the officials or the NHL for hits so he should just STOP ITl
Ovi should mke a decision. Does he want to be a star player or does he want to be an enforcer? He can’t be both.
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He doesn’t need the highlight reel hits, but his energy each shift, his tenacity on the forecheck, his fearlessness, that’s what makes him great. Playing him physical doesn’t get him off his game, and not playing physical gives him time and space. That game against PHI (in which IIRC Varly was pulled, Ovie had 2, and Mike Richards tricked us) is a prime example. Pronger tries to avoid Ovie’s hit and makes the pass early, Ovie intercepts and scores.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I think he should get a suspension – I say 2 games.
And I also agree that it would be a good thing for him to be suspended. Ovie needs to learn where the line is and not cross it so much as straddle it, and it’ll shut everyone up about stars not getting suspended (for a little while, at least).
Plus we already know the team can play without him – so he gets some rest, we get some cap relief and all is well. Silver lining? :)
Agree. I also agree with a suspension – it’s time he learns that it’s not just him either, his actions have consequences for his team as well, and he needs to learn that there’s hitting, and there’s hitting responsibly.
Please dont’ turn into a Pronger type. That would sadden me :(.
Please dont’ turn into a Pronger type. That would sadden me :(.
Don’t let Jeff Mofo Schultz hear that!
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
He’ll probably only get a game since Gleason wasn’t hurt. Frankly, I’m in favor of it just so the “Ovechkin gets superstar treatment” crowd can quiet down.
if that’s the case, and Ovie really is injured and needs to miss maybe two or three games, I hope the suspension is for two games, so the crowd really does quiet.
Although then that might fuel the ‘dirty player’ fire.
Damn. it’s really lose-lose.
shrug Haters gonna hate – can’t stop ’em. And for all the complaining about people like Pronger being labeled dirty players, a lot of folks would still love to have him on their team.
Look, Ovi’s ours, warts and all. Does he need to watch it? Yeah. Would a suspension likely do him some good? Probably. Does it mean we should be ashamed of him? The fans of 27 other teams in the NHL (minus the Pennsylvania teams) wish, so they could steal him.
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As much as they hate on Ovi, I’d be willing to be many fans of the Pennsylvania teams secretly wish they had him too.
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 1, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ha! Yeah…the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?
I still remember sitting in front of a group of Philly fans at VC who went and bought Ovie jerseys at intermission and promised to put them on if he scored. He did and they didn’t, but I remember being quite impressed by it.
fwiw, I’m kinda glad even Philly would consider us the lesser of the two evils when compared to the Pens. Just sayin’.
I hope the suspension is for two games, so the crowd really does quiet.
They won’t shut up unless he gets five, like Laraque. And he ain’t gonna get five, since Laraque’s was far closer to being intentional. So they ain’t gonna shut up.
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by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I still think this is some weird elaborate plot by the Canadians to ensure that Russia doesn’t win the gold in Vancouver. First Semin, then Ovechkin.
And the Canadians think the Russian are just pretending to be hurt so they get nice and rested.
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Sigh. Seriously? Also, check out that skate and Giroux. Yikes.. after the Zednik incident, that makes me wince.
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The Ballard whack is one that had me dropping my jaw – especially the fact that Vokoun is down and he just skates off like he hadn’t just whacked his teammate. If he doesn’t feel like he’s about three inches tall right now, he needs a good kick in the produce section for that.
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I’ve been there. Broke someone’s arm in an inline game once.. you feel terrible about it.
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The coverage after the hit has a shot of Ballard behind the bench looking like he’s about to be sick…or cry….or both. I think the initial lack of reaction was simply because he didn’t realize what he’d just done.
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 1, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
we’re all human. all make mistakes. I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t be feeling guilty. Poor guy, really. :(
No question. That’s got to be rough.
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I’m sure he’ll be taking Vokoun out to dinner plenty over the course of the season…
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by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I was glad to see Gleason get the boot near the end. Staal pushing/punching the back of Sloan’s head as he’s down on the ice, tries to get up and defend himself and Gleason started dragging Sloan around.
As far as Ovechkin’s hit, he took a couple steps and Gleason turned away. He didn’t really make a huge run at him. Worse than the Gonchar hit in the playoffs, though. But it’s knee-to-knee and since he got tossed in the Buffalo game the NHL will suspend him for a game or two. Unless Campbell’s throws an errant dart on his dart board of justice. (Not to mention of course Gleason only missed a shift or two, and was healthy enough to board Perreault and then get chipper with Sloan … it seems most of the suspensions come from when a guy misses some games because of injury.)
I think the League takes OV’s injury into consideration (unofficially). Because say they suspend him for a game, being first suspension and all, if for example, OV needs to miss two games, but bc of the injury, he can declare himself ready after one, and just sit out the second, which he normally would’ve done, but now can just call it the suspension game.
So really, however many games the League decides to give him can be tempered by the injury, and it’s win-win for the League bc of all the flak they’re getting for “star treatment”,
The hit didn’t look as bad as Laraque’s on Kronwall. For that reason, I think Ovie gets 2-3 games max, like you said.
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by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
They could say the suspension doesn’t take effect until Ovi is really ready to come back. Except Ovi will declare he’s ready before he’s really ready.
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And yet, that solution would only feed into the star treatment Ovechkin is getting. You have a kid with a god complex who has been treated with kid gloves by the league. Of course he is going to keep seeing how far over the edge he can play. It does suck that he hurt himself this time, but I guess if the league wasn’t going to do anything about him, karma would.
Incidentally, the suspension very likely would not begin until NHL doctors clear him to play, so the Capitals could not anticipate a return in x games, and claim he is healthy x-minus-suspension games before.
Yeah, I don’t see injury being a factor here – the league (wrongly) considers injury of the victim, not the guy who hits him.
I don’t agree with the karma thing, though. I understand why it comes about – but it’s the kind of argument that always seems to come from people who don’t watch him play 82 games a year and make determinations as to whether he’s a “dirty” player based on the few “dirty” hits they see on YouTube or the nightly highlights.
Problem is, the only players who routinely make the highlights for all the wrong reasons as often as Ovechkin are the guys everyone knows to be dirty players. The major he got three games ago was borderline, and I think it fell on the side of a major penalty specifically because the officials out east are well aware of his tendency to cross the line.
The league needs to come down on him, or it is only going to continue.
I would argue that Ovechkin has not been treated with kid gloves by the NHL. Crosby gets the kid glove treatment. Richards gets the kid glove treatment.
It does suck that he hurt himself this time, but I guess if the league wasn’t going to do anything about him, karma would.
This from a staunch Phaneuf supporter.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Does the NHL really have a staff of doctors that goes around to all 30 teams and clears players to make sure they’re not faking it?
They make sure they get a doctor who is just as competent as their disciplinarian.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I kind of agree. Sure, Ovie doesn’t get the same kid gloves treatment as Sid, but the league isn’t about to kill a goose that lays the golden eggs either. He’ll probably get a few games to show that even the superstars get equal treatment but I’ve seen a lot more flagrant transgressions go unpunished. Hopefully his injury isn’t that serious and he can somehow learn to back off a little but still retain his competitive edge (if that is possible). He sure doesn’t do us much good on suspension or scratched due to injury. Let me throw this out: Maybe the lack of an enforcer on the roster makes him think he has to be overly aggressive?
I don’t think lack of enforcer plays into this. He just seems a little more motivated, with the loss to the Pens last year (and the Pens’ subsequent championship) and Vancouver 2010 and whatnot, and is playing a more tenacious game.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
But his priorities are not in the right place. He’s more interested in hitting this year.
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How so? He started the season scoring goals at a better pace than any other season, and he has fewer hits per game than last season.
He doesn’t seem to be prioritizing hitting more than other aspects of his game, but I do think there may be some validity to the argument that he is playing more with more intensity which has led to more violent/reckless hits. Or it could just be coincidence and a it was bound to happen that his style of play would lead to some questionable hits.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about any of you, but Carolina came out hard, and not in a “let’s play hockey” sort of hard. By the end of the night, I was starting to wonder if the goal was to injury, not actually, you know, touch the puck.
Carolina has played that way for a few years now and it drives me nuts. Physical is good, but they’ve become kind of a cheap physical team; if they were in the Atlantic Division it’d get more attention. As it is, they’re moving up on my “hated teams” list every game.
you don’t like all the diving Staal does?
Can’t remember which coach it was (maybe TB’s old coach) but he was always ripping Carolina cause of the dirty unsportsmanlike crap they pull.
by vt caps fan on Nov 30, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah it was Trots – but that crazy bastard was right about carolina.
by vt caps fan on Nov 30, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
crazy bastard also throws waterbottles at fans. Which gave us the hilarity of fans in red ponchos, so I guess its ok.
by RedBirdie on Nov 30, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Regardless of what happens to a player, you can’t boo him when he’s injured, especially if it’s a serious one.
Stay classy, Canes fans…
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
On one of the angles it seems like a front row fan is cheering when Ovie is down and Backstrom and the trainers come over to help him. I just know that if Mike Richards or Sidney Crosby was writing in pain right in front of me, I’d take negative sadistic pleasure.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
No matter. His awesomeness looms over us tonight.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Nov 30, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
David Steckel sucked last night. He barely won 50% of his draws. Boudreau should put in Matt Bradley as 4C, or better yet, 1C to replace Nicklas Loose-FO Backstrom.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
51 penalty minutes were doled out tonight. Did I miss jumping into the time machine and going back to 1987?
For those looking for a ray of sunshine
I caught up to Alex Ovechkin before he boarded the team bus following tonight’s 3-2 win in Raleigh, but the star winger would only say “no comment” when I inquired about his knee and the first period hit that resulted in his ejection.
I did, however, get to observe him walking. He had a slight limp, but he did not appear to be wearing a brace and was not using crutches.- Tarik’s blog
Maybe it’s not as bad as it looked.
unfortunately, as discussed int he GDT, we all seem to know of someone who shredded their ACL and walked on it an hour later.
fortunately, we hope that the medical staff weren’t crazy enough to let him walk on it if they even have an inkling that he might have a torn ACL.
(at least I hope not.)
(silver lining!!!)
Trying to build on that ray of sunshine, I highly doubt that the training staff would allow him to walk around like that if they really suspected an ACL tear.
Mr. Bird just peaked his head out of banishment to ask if we get a refund on season tickets if Ovie’s seriously hurt……..“I mean, they promised us Ovechkin!”
If you don’t hear from me tomorrow, it’s because I’m in jail.
by RedBirdie on Nov 30, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
16. Posted by the MAN Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:57 pm EST
C an’t say it wasn’t a bad hit
R eally, he was leading with his shoulder
O vie doesn’t play dirty, just hard
S till won the game, even without him
B ut hopefully he won’t be out long
Y es, it was knee-on-knee though
S omehow the league will let him off
U ntil the next game misconduct
C an’t tell me he’s not the best in the world
K aleta wasn’t hurt, neither was Gleason
S idney Crosby SUCKS
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by zephyr on Dec 1, 2009 12:04 AM EST reply actions 7 recs
R to the ec means rec.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
So this pretty much solidifies no back to back to back Hart Trophy
Not that he was leading the pack right now, particularly with the team doing alright without him, but it’s sad.
Conn Smythe sounds a hell of a lot better anyway.
you know, it’s not completely out of question.
I mean, if he comes back after two or three missed games, and he scores multi-point/multi-goal games for a twenty game streak or something, it’s not inconceivable that he won’t win. I mean, Kopitar’s cooled off a little. and Gaborik’s always in danger of getting hurt, so you’re looking at…Parise, Heatley, Malkin, Kovalchuk?
I dunno. Never say never. OV might just want to do it to prove that he could.
You’re forgetting the likely multi-game suspension. Media is a weird weird crew and I’m not sure they would vote for a “dirty” player (and yes, he’s now being described as such).
within some circles, they’ve just been waiting for the chance to bring him down. You’ll never see certain someones described as dirty in the wider media, because of their nationality.
But remember that the Hart voters are educated people.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
it would again, depend on his own accomplishments.
Just because he is a “dirty” player cannnot overshadow his (what i presume will be) statistical accomplishments, especially if he pulls off miracle numbers despite missing games.
At the very least, OV still has a chance. A slim chance, but one nonetheless.
Perhaps knowing his odds, “Angry Ovie” makes an extended appearance? (and by “Angry Ovie” I mean “responsibly hitting, superman” Ovie)
"NOW being described as such?"
There were some who saw Ovie’s knee-runs for what they were…way back when. Say, May?
And I recall Boudreau claiming that Ovie leaned his shoulder in on this one too…though the video evidence shows otherwise.
Face it, reputations follow players for a reason. Matt Cooke and Sean Avery have reputations for a good reason, and Ovechkin is finally getting one—Though it took longer than it would have for a less skilled player.
A screen cap is definitely video evidence. Well done, you sure showed us the folly of our ways.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, that was snarkier than I meant it to be. But come on, comparing Ovie to Cooke and Avery?? Yikes.
Just ask yourself, what sort of person comes over to the opposing team’s blog at 12:45 am to play holier than thou?
What sort of person defends repeated knee-on-knees?
Answer: Homer.
There’s no defending this. Period.
I usually read Japers’ late at night after finishing work/school/more work. Usually I don’t comment. But this defending of Ovie is just ridiculous, and frankly it reflects poorly on the commentators. I thought Crosby’s ball-punch was bush-league when he did it. Why can’t you admit that Ovie pulled a bush-league move again?
where are people defending it? I see, repeatedly, calls for Ovechkin to step back from the edge, to pick his spots better, and not play with quite so wild abandon.
It was a dumb hit. It wasn’t bush-league. There’s a difference. I don’t think for one moment that hit was made with malice (or any more malice than goes into any other hockey hit). It was an already dumb, but not illegal, hit gone really really wrong. He shouldn’t have gone for it in the first place, and now he’s going to suffer a lot of consequences for it.
Yes, Ovi will suffer a lot of consequences. I don’t know how serious the injury is but we could be looking at 1-2 months plus a 10 game suspension on top of that, if the NHL management wants to really throw the book at him which seems to be the intent.
I has assumed the original Buffalo penalty should have been a 2 minute minor. Not to mention today’s hit. But Ovi is currently suspect. And now everyone now will believe that Ovi is a dirty player.
I am mad at him at the moment. I feel the same way towards him as I would towards either of my kids if they had gotten injured in an auto accident that was their fault within days of getting a traffic ticket.
Ovi needs to be careful. And he is NEVER, EVER EVER going to get the benefit of the doubt from officials or the league office.
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If he was walking on it last night, there’s no way he misses 1-2 months w/ injury – and if Laraque got 5 games for a much more malicious hit, no way does Ovie get 10+.
And fwiw, I think he gets the benefit of the doubt more than we think. We know what kind of player he is – he plays w/ an edge. If the league really was cracking down they’d have stepped in a long time ago, right or wrong.
None of us here think Ovie should be let off clean. I, for one, think he should get suspended. Yet you can’t call Ovie a consistant dirty player, though we have seen more questionable hits over the course of this season. I’m sure the guy doesn’t want to be known as a dirty player. And just because Crosby and Malkin had their own incidents last year doesn’t make them dirty either.
Dirty plays are going to happen, whether people like it or not.
And I don’t think you’re a troll…you’re arguing your opinion, at least.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
You’re right. Should I stick to useless words in order to make you feel better about it?
Here’s your video evidence, though, as you demand:
May: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxTrxESWjI
Today: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=4702269
How’s that?
just FYI, but Burnside? Not real respected around here. Posting ESPN hack jobs articles isn’t going to win you any arguments.
and, really, digging up the Gonchar hit? Can’t you come up with anything slightly more original than that?
I hate when people bring up the Gonchar hit. The definition of a) an accidental knee and b) a hit that is avoided if Gonchar doesn’t try to dodge a check.
Gonchar sticking his knee out certainly didn’t help, and neither did Gleason making a sudden cut towards center ice, exposing his leg.
I’m seeing a trend here.
If Gleason had gotten up and gone back in the play, I don’t think we’d even be having this suspension talk right now.
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Possibly, but knee on knee is garnering a lot of attention lately, particularly with Laraque vs. Kronwall being so recent.
The hit was huge and bodies flew – that alone caused the ref to raise his hand, long before injuries were considered. The league will always look at those instances, particularly misconduct calls.
by TFG on Dec 1, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
May: He was remorseful about it when talking to the media, plus why would he intend to hurt a fellow Russian?
Today: Since when does anyone go to ESPN for hockey coverage? Come on, now.
Ovechkin is not known as a dirty player, but if you’re going to accuse him of being one, why not bring up last year’s Malkin slewfoots and Crosby’s nutpunching from behind?
Ya freaking grasshopper!
by Steck It Out on Dec 1, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, I thought we were discussing Ovie?
Why is it that you defend Ovie by bringing up two non-injury-causing incidents with Penguins? Defend Ovie by defending Ovie—not by taking pot-shots at Crosby or Malkin.
I didn’t defend Crosby’s nut-shot on Valabik. It was cheap. Malkin’s shot on Hank was cheap as well. But neither were near-career-enders, and really couldn’t be, given the nature.
Ask any hockey player whether they’d rather be punched in the cup or knee-on-kneed at full speed. 10 out of 10 will go with the nut-shot.
When it get’s boiled down, it’s all about the difference between a “dirty” hit and a “reckless and dangerous” hit. A “dirty” hit is ment to cause injury. Most of these are not really part of a hockey play, or too long after one. A “reckless and dangerous” hit is one that any player misjudges his check (timing or position) and puts himself or the other player in a position to get injured. I would like to see if anybody out there could pull up some numbers on the% of major penalties and injuries per number of hits by percived “dirty” and “reckless” hitters. That should shed some light on the subject. I’m not that tech savy to pull it off. ps. IMO any hit directed at the stones is a DIRTY hit, cup or no cup. There’s no reason to go there.
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
IIRC, if the refs judge intent to hurt, they assess a match penalty in addition to the game misconduct.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I know it’s hard to quantify, that’s why i am hoping for someone with more info than me to see if my idea is possible. BTW I think you ment “major” penalty. ;D
If you don't wanna get hit, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!
No, isn’t there something about match penalties that are automatic suspensions or something? I dunno, I read the rulebook a looong time ago.
by red army line on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it’s Ovechkins fault that guys try to duck out of checks while leaving the most vulnerable part of their bodies frozen in the collision lane.
I do think he should pick his spots better with these open ice hits and try to use his superhuman reflexes to react to sissy dodges for the sake of his own health.
Also, in-case you don’t know how people skate, knees are ahead of the body when a person is skating and the shoulder comes through on contact.
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Zephyr, I know you’re a goaltender, but you know better: You hit with the shoulder. Not the knee.
We’ve all had the temptation (and sometimes taken it) to stick the leg out. I’ve done it three times that I can remember, and twice it was retaliation for cheapshots. It’s cheap. Period. Doesn’t matter if it’s Ovechkin or Ulf Samuelsson or me. It’s dirty. And it deserves a fitting punishment.
I’m saying that until you make the hit the knees are in front of the body. His shoulder is almost at his knee in the freeze frame you provided. Where is it .5 seconds after that when Gonchars body is gone?
You know what I’m saying.
Hits like this, other than blatant ones, are always in more fault of the guy slipping the check in my opinion. You’re a player, and I played player growing up in full check, and I know to move my legs. It’s common sense.
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Btw, if you read my comments in the game day thread and here you’ll know that I think it was a stupid hit but I have no idea how Ovechkin could have avoided it other than not going for the hit.
I think both this and the Gonchar hit were very unfortunate incidents with responsibility on all parties.
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I can respect that sentiment. It’s the sentiment from others—namely, that Ovie did nothing wrong in both the Gonchar and Gleason inciidents—that got my dander up. Call a spade a spade, brother.
If you agree that both parties had responsibility for the incident in both cases, how can you call it a dirty hit? “Dirty” implies intent to injure, which is not the case, and if you ever watch Ovi beyond the highlights that they show, you know that. Dangerous and ill-advised? Yes. Dirty? No.
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You read my comment wrong. I didn’t agree with Zephyr—I respect his sentiment that while he believes Gonchar and Gleason are partly at fault, he also recognizes Ovie’s fault as well. That’s seeing things without homer glasses.
I personally don’t find fault with guys trying to avoid a hit that get kneed. Gonchar and Gleason aren’t the first, last, nor 90th guys who avoided runs at the last second by dodging left or right. But 90 guys don’t get violently kneed each year either. It’s more like 10.
Cooke took a similar knee-on-knee to Pietrangelo last year if I remember correctly, and it was dirty. I’ll admit as much. And I didn’t blame the kid for trying to avoid the run—it was Cooke’s fault all the way.
We agree to disagree. But he’s not unreasonable like those who blindly defend Ovie in both instances.
But he’s not unreasonable like those who blindly defend Ovie in both instances.
That’s funny, Zephyr’s opinion is WAY more in line with what the vast majority of people here have been saying all night about AO (he needs to be more careful and he deserves to be punished for this latest hit) than it is with your strawman of Caps fans blindly defending Ovechkin.
But far be it from me or the vast evidence of reasonable analysis to stop you from coming here to use a strawman to generalize about homer Caps fans.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Game. Set. Match.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think we have to be careful about letting Ovie off the hook on either one. I don’t think either knee was intentionally dirty and I don’t think he’s dirty overall – but we all know he straddles that line, and this hit more than the Gonchar one deserves punishment.
But we’re fiercely protective of Ovie around here, remember that. We don’t take kindly to him being compared to douchebag Avery! :P
I was only doing that to demonstrate how players get “reputations.” Avery had a douchebag reputation. It’s because he’s routinely a douchebag.
Cooke has a reputation for being a dirty agitator. It’s because he’s routinely a dirty agitator.
Ovie’s getting a reputation for taking ill-advised runs at guys that causes injuries. There’s a reason for that. I don’t regularly agree with Don Cherry on much, but he’s had a point about Ovie’s recklessness—I just wish he’d be as even-handed about some of the Canadian players that have done the same kind of stuff.
Fair enough. I’m partly teasing, I figured you weren’t actually comparing Ovie w/ Avery because…yeah.
And while I agree w/ Cherry (ugh, did I just say that??) that Ovie can be reckless, I hate when he says someone’s going to “cut him down”. It’s been 5 years. No one’s tried.
It would be LOVELY if he called out his good Canadian boys for this kind of crap, wouldn’t it? But then, alas, he would not be Cherry.
Woah, woah, woah.
Asking Cherry to apply the same rules to a Good Ol’ Canadian boy as he does to Russians? Let’s not get carried away here.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I shudder to think what would happen if I bring up Dale Hunter/Pierre Turgeon and what I recall as Cherry’s silence on that one.
So I won’t. =]
It never ceases to amaze me how those who can’t defend themselves resort to finger-pointing, nanny-nanny-boo-boo.
Don’t bother—trying to make sense like Zephyr, et al. would probably crush your feeble brain stem. Isn’t there a less-topical message board for you over at Caps Insider?
And don’t lie—you had to Google it to get the reference, Chucky.
Hey i understand where you are coming from but be the bigger person and stop it there, you name calling them right back will not get you any sympathy from most. I am not saying you deserve to be called a troll, but coming here right after the game and calling ovie a dirty player your gonna have to realize people will react this way, no matter how civilized the board is. You make a few good points, but go to far on others but all in all i respect your view and just ask that you overlook the few responses like this, most of us on here respect visitors that can bring smart conversation and evidence but make sure it stays at that
by i12swim on Dec 1, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Call a spade a spade, brother.
You’re a fool. Anyone who enjoys coming over here and doing what you do leads a small and meaningless life. How’s that for a spade?
You come in here and post in response to what Pittsburgh or New York fans would be writing if it were their guy, instead of reading the thread. We weren’t doing the things you accuse us of, and I’m tired of your stupid strawman antics, you little shit. Why don’t you go back to Pensblog and post about how you pwnd us. Meanwhile, we’ll go on having civil conversations.
Eat a fucking porcupine.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 9 recs
Wow. I’ve never seen you so riled up.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
I won’t presume to speak for Gouldie, but the other poster has an annoying habit of coming on here and setting up a strawman, demolishing it, and in the process (which looks like the whole point) heaping opprobrium on a Caps player.
Upon facing objection, he retreats to wounded innocence: “hey, I’m just trying to have a reasonable discussion about why [X] is a jerk, and you guys don’t seem to want to hear anything to the contrary.”
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
I can definitely understand the reaction, but I was just surprised it came from Gould. He seems like a pretty calm guy usually.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I was just doing Doc a favor. He only comes over here to get a rise out of us — he’s not actually interested in conversation. I gave him his rise. He gets to go home now and tell them that those idiot caps fans told him to eat a porcupine.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Thing is, he doesn’t even post at Pensburgh, the blog for his own team. One of his conversations got referenced while I was at Pensburgh and Hooks Orpik made a point of clarifying “he’s not one of ours.” Take that for what you will.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
God Damn G.O.D. Love it. Team Toughness on The Rink wins again.
Eat a fucking porcupine is going to be a mainstay in my lexicon now.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
Now, now. At least it’s someone willing to present semi-logical arguments. Trolls are the people who frequent PuckDaddy’s comment section.
We can be respectful to fans of other teams here…right?
Heh, a Pens fan hitting a Caps blog/fansite at 1am bluntly calling a player dirty, citing an incident against his own team (in which the other player was just as responsible)?
I know a troll when I see one.
Don’t forget the attempt to pass of a screen cap as video evidence.
In all fairness he did provide video, and has provided actual arguments. That is more than can be said for that which I consider the average internet troll.
Now drink with me deeply of the bourbon, scotch, and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.
by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
To play devil's advocate
Alexandre Giroux is an above average scorer until he gets to the big leagues.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
I could see that in two lights:
1) Ovie sticks his right knee out to hit Gonchar
2) Ovie straightens his left leg to turn and maintain balance
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Thought I'd inject a little levity into the discussion:
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 1, 2009 12:11 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
bawhahahahaha! how’d those 2008 playoffs work out for you? Oh, you didn’t make they playoffs? Hmmmmm, what happened? Oh, those mean little Capitals came and snatched first place and a playoff berth for you? So sad, suckers!
Yeah, I’m still working on this “win gracefully” thing.
My favorite part about the picture (other than what you mentioned) is that Staal looks like a 12 year old throwing a tantrum.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 1, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
that’s how he always looks, I think. The Staal family was not blessed in the looks department, but he really got the short end of the stick.
Photo from Eric Staal's childhood in Thunder Bay
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
By the way, haven’t gotten a chance to go read it yet but nice work on the 1480+ comment gameday thread, people! I can’t imagine why this game would have drawn so many comments, of course…
Way to Overreact On Just About Everything ...
1) Lynch Giroux, he was only +3 with one assist, 2 hits and a take, away what a bum for the $500K he’s paid. As a UFA this summer he’ll only be snapped up in a NY minute, bum.
2) Ovechkin, what an idiot, why doesn’t the world’s best hockey player and power forward just slow everything down and be nice. I mean what will he do next sacktap somebody in a fight? I mean hey, let’s just really complete the total wussification of hockey. Also I don’t buy that Gleason wasn’t selling it totally, wimp turned away and created the whole issue from what I see on the replay, not that I’m biased or anything.
3) What a bonehead play by that bum Theodore, I mean hey it’s not like he stopped 38 of 40 tonight including several that were unbelievable. What a bum, lynch him.
4) While we;re at it I say we hate on them all, hey Erskine,bum talk about inconsistant, most nights lately he’s been just gawd awful, tonight +3, go figure, I mean hey the guy seems to be getting his game back after being out injured, what a bum, just when we all think we’ve got him figured out , he pulls this and “goes the other way” on us. jeez…
What a hilareous blog this has become to read the comment threads on, reactionary, total raw emotion unfettered by perspective and reason – ya gotta love it.
Folks, with numerous injuries, this team has gone 8-3-3 for the month of November after opening the season 8-2-3 in October, don’t you think it’s time to get a grip and enjoy this ride just a little, maybe?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:15 AM EST reply actions
Not as “hilareous” as the hyperbole in your post.
"Oh, the usual. I bowl. Drive around. The occasional acid flashback."
by The Ghost of Bebop on Dec 1, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think people are being reactionary here? I’d say the people who comment here are pretty good at keeping a level head. No one’s blasting Theo for one little mistake amid a huge and impressive game for him. Ovie’s a tremendous player but he messed up, and to not admit that is to be blinded by homerism.
It’s okay to enjoy the ride, but it’s also okay to expect more! This team has a great record and has played mediocre hockey for large stretches. We know they can do better, and I love that we as fans demand more now. It wasn’t all that long ago when just getting a win would be enough :)
I think we should expect more, in fact. Because this team is totally capable of doing “more”. I think this team is underachieving, and that’s not a mental attitude I want on my team.
I don’t think I’m overreacting – I’m enjoying the ride, but I don’t want the ride to make me complacent and get too used to a ride that’s misleading, that’s all.
Agreed, but I also see that this mentality can be and sometimes is taken too far, and when it is, it looks like pessimism.
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Agree. At which point, we only have to think back a few years (not even that) and remember when wins, any wins, were awesome. And look at the rookies (King Karl!) and give thanks for organizational depth. And think of guys like Brads and Q, who are the epitome of warrior and appreciate their sacrifices.
I’m really happy about our team. :) Rock the Red (Unleash the Fury!)
Yeah, I am too, but sometimes when the pessimism gets loud, it needs to be called out, though hopefully a tad more gracefully.
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And how would you suggest that be done “gracefully” and since when is sarcasm and hyperbole considered so politically incorrect?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
I just can’t understand how being on pace for 110+ points is “under achieving” especially when you have 7 guys out injured and a $5.5 M salary sitting waiting for a deal to play in Russia he likes since he doesn’t fit in the current system.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
1) He still isn’t good but no one said to hang him.
2) Yup, it was a pretty stupid play. Where is all the talk for him to slow down?
3) Theo was praised by 99% of everyone
4) A lot of us think Erskine has his place it just doesn’t have anything to do with lots of ice time.
The only thing hilareous is your generalization of the community. You basically posted this as an outsider looking in, from an ivory tower at that, so be prepared to be treated that way.
I don’t get what you were trying to achieve with this. Maybe you should just post a link to your own game summary.
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by zephyr on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as to 1) I think you’ll also find that there was an earlier discussion about the illusions that +/- brings… and you have to admit anyone would’ve done well tailing Nicky and Fehr tonight. And even as a UFA this summer I don’t think he’ll be a hotly pursued commodity, you?
(that said, I would love for him to be in HER and be a fill-in whenever the need arises).
Vinn:
I’m pretty confident Giroux have no problem getting a NHL minimum contract very quickly and then some come this summer. He is, IMO a consummate “twenner” capable of playing on a scoring line in either the AHL or NHL, though clearly he is far more at home in the AHL. That said making $500K to play hockey isn’t a bad gig and I wouldn’t mind having the talent to do it, even if it subjected me to lots of scruitiny and ridicule.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
And before that he was a UFA and got no offers
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Giroux’s a really good AHL player. So was Chris Bourque. But in Pens-land, we’re quickly learning how little that translates to the NHL (19 games without a goal, and you’re playing with Crosby, Malkin and Staal as your pivots? Christ…).
Giroux was a free agent this past summer and he didn’t get a single one-way deal from an NHL club. Not one. It’s unfortunate, because I think the guy deserves a single 82-game stretch in the big leagues to prove himself. But not with Washington. Try Carolina or Toronto.
by docciavelli on Dec 1, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, bless you – rec’d for comparing Giroux and Bourque in their feeble NHL abilities! Both guys are living proof that just being on a line w/ good players does not a good player make.
Exactly. I tried to defend Bourque to Pens fans a few weeks ago (should’ve realized how that’d go on tPB), but I’ve given up. The kid just doesn’t belong. I like to joke about how I could score 10 goals on Crosby or Malkin’s wing, but that’s what it is—a joke. I’d be lucky to net 3 goals in an 82-game season in the NHL with my hands. Hell, I only scored 2 in college, and one was about the ugliest shot from the point you’d have ever seen.
Giroux’s the same. His game is great against AHL D-men who don’t block as many shots and aren’t as mobile. But in the NHL, he’s not elusive and his shot doesn’t blow away goaltenders.
Ha! How very brave of you ;)
I think w/ Bourque, people want to give him the benefit of the doubt because of his name and his size. He’s never fit and I’ve never seen why people are so enamored with him, he’s just not good enough.
And you’re spot on about Giroux, too – he’s also a step too slow in everything he does. In the A you have more time to line up a shot, to think about a pass. Here, you think too long and the puck is just taken off your stick or blocked. Happened at least 3 times tonight.
I’m not saying he won’t get a NHL minimum contract. He likely will. I just said he wasn’t going to be a hot commodity. And when you think about it, league minimum, career AHL-er guys rarely get “snapped up in a NY minute”.
Fair enough, and for sure the depth of the Caps system is working against him at this point given his age, but is it really that crazy to give the AHL’s last seaosn leading scorer a chance to play with so many scoring forwards out of the lineup injured? And given how much more important timing is to a scorer vs a chacker as well as the difference in speed in the NHL vs. the AHL wouldn’t giving him more than a game or two to see if he can perform at this level be logical?
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
Giroux had been given repeated chances over the past two seasons to prove he belongs. He hasn’t. If he’s not going to score, what is he bringing to the team?
Repeated chances?NHL Games Played:
2005 – 2006 – 1 game played with the Rangers
2006 – 2007 – 9 games with the Capitals
2007 – 2008 – 0 NHL Games Played
2008 – 2009 – 12 games with the Capitals
2009 – 2010 – 5 Games so far with the Caps this season.
In those same 5 seasons he’s scored 171 goals and 280+ points in the AHL including 60 goals and 37 assists last season.
Given the injuries to date and the fact that in Osala had just 23 goals and 14 assists in Hershey last season and so far this season has just 6 goals and 3 assists in 23 games for the Bears this year I still feel Giroux is the better/smarter callup right now…
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
The fact of the matter remains, he is a career minor leaguer. AT 27, he has been through too many seasons, and seen by too many scouts, to not have proven himself by now. There’s a reason why he passed through waivers this fall. Every team sees the same player we do. He’s not an NHL player, and at his age will never be. He just doesn’t have it. Don’t take my word for it, take the word of the 29 other teams out there. If he had what it takes he’d be playing somewhere( i.e. Sammy Lepisto).
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Zephyr:
I’ll start with what I’m trying to achieve even though I said it – don’t you think everyone here is being a little reactionary and not looking at the larger picture and maintaining some perspective.
The 1 through 4 are my pointing to relatively violent “swigns” in opinion based on a couple of individual events vice a larger body of work.
If you want to treat me as an outsider it’s not really a big issue with me, I mean it’s not like I post here often anyway, and the longer I am a Caps fan and the more rabid I become about them, I note more and more how DC Metro Sports fans are generally beyond my comprehension in this particular regard.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Recap threads are for immediate reactions. Cool, collected analysis is for the cool, collected analysis threads.
by RedBirdie on Dec 1, 2009 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, like Becca H said above, I think it’s about looking for more. Seeking not just wins, not just excellence, but perfection.
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Okay this will sound corny and cliche but while striving for perfection is essential, expecting it is I believe entirely unwise and being disappointed that the maximum number of points were obtained but it was done in an ugly or less than perfect fashion – that’s the part i just don’t get. Right now warts and all this team is on a trajectory that takes it to a season end total of 110+ points….
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Well, striving for perfection is maybe stretching a little – but I could get on board with striving for consistency and playing up to their abilities. I think that’s really all we want, and when they fall short, we let it be known.
Well, I do think that sometimes this fanbase does look for and expect perfection to be perfectly honest. I understand markbona’s frustration, and there are times when I share it. I try to step back and figure out when criticism is deserved and necessary and when it crosses the line into obsessiveness. Here it seldom does.
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The best player in the league just injured himself (potentially seriously?) and got ejected for an incredibly stupid hit. I think we are allowed to have have a strong reaction to such an event.
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 1, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
“an incredibly stupid” hit – that’s your view but not mine. The guy was just trying to make the opposing team’s defense feel from retribution for running his linemate and setup man. Gleason is the guy who turned it into a “stupid hit” by his motions and actions and IMO he was just looking to cause AO to get a 2 minute penalty but instead hit the jackpot. Sure tomorrow Gleason will have a helluva bruise but he was back in the game after a couple more shifts and he’s not injured.
I know I’m an old man and the game has changed but it wasn’t long ago at all that this was nothing more than a hockey hit and that’s all I think it should be now.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 1, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think I understand what you’re saying but maybe some of the words you used could cause some offense. Maybe it doesn’t for others.
Basically, a few does not make up a whole to me and you used community. I also don’t think much you said had to do with anything but maybe the worst posts you could find on something. I don’t think it’s hard the read the thread and see where the hive mind comes together on an issue.
I’d like you to be a viable member and a japer. I just thought you wrote your post like how a pens or flyers fan would. Hence, the outsider word.
Emotions are the great thing about sports and sometimes the worst part. Raw emotion is pretty much expected to be evoked out of anyone who really cares esp. after some of the events tonight.
Since you don’t post here often I’d say take a lot of the stuff in the game thread for a grain of salt especially until you get to know who is a bit more sarcastic among the group.
Anyway, the Caps are doing well even considering the circumstances and I think the main thing everyone takes away from tonight is they hope Ovi is ok more than getting a win from a divisional opponent that is more than twenty points behind.
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The 1 through 4 are my pointing to relatively violent [swings] in opinion based on a couple of individual events [versus] a larger body of work.
I think if you come around here more often you will find that the opinions regarding the aforementioned players are pretty well established here at the Rink and are not reflected accurately in your ad hoc commentary.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t read anything in here that was lynching Theodore … did anyone else? One boneheaded play does not a bad night make.
Ovi’s hit was dangerous. He’s not a dirty player – he’s just a bull in a china shop and the refs do certainly seem to be throwing the book at him given any excuse (see: 5 minutes and a game for a 2 minute call and a very questionable roughing penalty the game before that). A suspension might just shut the whiners up – I don’t see a problem with that. But I don’t think anyone is suggesting throwing him out.
I don’t think the whole “perspective and reason” thing is quite true – actually, I think it’s the opposite in some ways. This blog is given to analysis … and analysis … and more analysis. Certainly it strives to be objective and detailed and I think that it succeeds in that. I’ve noticed, though, that Caps fans as a group in general tend to be a martyred bunch, always waiting for the other shoe to drop. That combined with crazy high expectations makes people hypercritical. It’s not about not being a fan – it’s about loving your team so much and wanting them to do well so badly that you try to analyze and fix every possible problem and make them perfect. Unfortunately, this taken too far becomes a glass-half-empty viewpoint, and I’ll admit that some convo’s I’[ve seen both here and in other places teeter pretty close to that.
I understand what I think you’re trying to say, but I don’t think this is a very fair post.
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I think that your interpretation that commenting on bad plays/misplays by Caps players means that everyone here thinks that said players are all good for nothing is hilareously reactionary.
Also, Giroux was only a +3 because he played on the same line as the most dominant skater on the ice tonight. And I still haven’t seen what he did to earn an assist on the first goal, that was a give and go by Baxter and Ovechkin.
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by Killer_Carlson on Dec 1, 2009 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
And Jeff Schultz? 80 inches of waste of space, that’s what. I didn’t even know he was playing.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Our PK is screwed. With Ovi out there won’t be any 5 minute majors to kill. The one thing they are solid at.
A man gotta have a code
by Carl Putnam on Dec 1, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Congratulations are due to Alex Ovechkin, on the occasion of reaching another milestone tonight. His assist on Nicklas Backstrom’s first goal tonight was his 450th career point.
I recommend that Alex find a less painful way to commemorate his next milestone.
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whoever is doing clips tomorrow morning, I hope you grab Ovie’s appearance in the WaPo’s Reliable Source gossip column! (ladies, the photo is hottttttt)
Hoooooly crap. See? Like I always say, the guy’s sexy-ugly. Some of his pictures…rawr.
Okay, so I’ve now lost all credibility ;) Should I just chuck it all and find a sexy picture of Laich to post or something?
ain’t nothing wrong with drooling just a little…
by SeattleCapsFan on Dec 1, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
(By the way, this is only allowed because I’m fairly certain the Blogfather is not around. One time deal, ladies.)
Okay, I can go to bed happy now.
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Erection for Ovechkin doesn’t apply here, I don’t think
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Cole's attempt to behead Laich with his elbow in the 3rd
was 50x dirtier than Ovechkin on Gleason. So Aaron Ward and whoever else from Carolina can save the moralizing. I really wanted Brooksy to fight Cole after that. That elbow had a lot of malicious intent behind it and we’re lucky that he moved his head just in time.
what little respect, and what little "poor Carolina, this season really sucks for them, I had left is gone after this game.
Let’s not forget the fans booing a one-legged Ovechkin. Fucking disgusting.
Players are people to me before opponents. Never do I ever wish an injury on anyone, nor boo a hurt player. Just absolutely classless.
by TFG on Dec 1, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
I hate to say it, but I’m sure VC fans would do the same if a Pen or Flyer went down (aside from BJ). Not to say I would or that I condone it, but they are not representative of the community as a whole, although they are more representative considering the diehard respectable sane educated Canes fan can probably get tickets easily.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
especially after the douchebag stayed on top of him after he was on the ice and kept face-washing him
I only saw it once as it happened, but it appeared to me that Laich pulled Cole down with him and I also saw what looked like a punch or two thrown from his back.
by Knubles and Bits on Dec 1, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
Slightly off topic, but a night like tonight is never good when you have a research paper to be written by 8am tomorrow. Procrastination is bad, but having it along with the possible injury to Ovie I can’t stop reading Japers’
by i12swim on Dec 1, 2009 1:03 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
actually, i’ve got less of a chance of finishing this than david steckel has of getting a goal.
in regards to the second part of that statement…good thing we’re playing tampa bay soon
haha very well put, also I had a week off over thanksgiving break to get this done but instead decided to play NHL 10 and the new Call of Duty the whole time (not to mention this paper was assigned at the beginning of the semester) I’ve always found crunch time is when i work my best so I’ll have something by the morning
I totally, totally hear you. It seems there are a few of us.
I have my last assignment before finals hit. I don’t understand why there can be so many different types of cost accounting. Why can’t the world just decide on one simple method?!
I really, really hope he’s okay. And that they don’t do any of that subterfuge stuff. I don’t really care what Ovie has specifically, only that they don’t tell me the wrong timeframe again. or wishy-washy the timeframe. :(
Agreed completely on the ovie front. Also I’m a science and technology major so anything with business has already flown over my head. I’m just trying to understand what I’m writing a paper worth a third of my grade for the semester on the legislative process for any bill of my choosing in a class that is on the ethical implications of new technologies and research
Ovechkin
Ovie is not going to change his style of play.Nor would any of us in Washington want him to. Hitting is part of his game and he’s very good at it. He’s the most complete hockey player out there right now. I’m just glad we got him right here in good old Washington D.C. Eat your hearts out Hockey fans everywhere else. More fans go out to see Ovie than any other player in the world.
That’s all well and good but he’s seems to be racking up more injury (and suspension?) time than I remember from previous seasons. And since the object of the game is to “put ze puck in ze net” he can’t do that when he’s scratched. But I guess as long as he’s healthy and hot in the playoffs all will be forgiven, as far as I’m concerned.
I’m concerned about the fact that he’s racking up so much injury (and suspension time). He’s not going to do us any good sitting in the press box for long stretches.
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I’d keep the jury out on being injured and penalties and such. This, the Kaleta, and Gonchar were pretty freak things, IMO.
by red army line on Dec 1, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think the problem with Ovie is that he’s trying to create energy on a team that’s pretty lifeless. I don’t think the knee-on-knee was that bad. Why would he intentionally do a dangerous play like that? Ovie’s smarter than that.
I just don’t like this at all.
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions
This is pretty accurate as far as I’m concerned. The Caps don’t have enough “piss and vinegar” on their team. Do I think they need to fill their team with 12 goons/enforcers/Averys/et al.? No. But they need more people that will consistently lay the body. Ovechkin does it, and Bradley does it. That’s about it for players that consistently play an active physical game. They need players like Laich and Steckel to step up and take some of the pressure off of Bradley and Ovechkin to provide that physical presence.
In an ideal world the Caps would get players like Burrows, Kesler, Rypien, Raymond, and Bieksa to round out their 2nd through 4th forward lines and top D pairs. But obviously they aren’t getting those players. But they need to find someone that doesn’t play such a passive game. Sure Laich, Steckel, Fehr, etc are all plenty strong along the boards, but their game isn’t active. They don’t really make players think about where they are, and possibly cause the opposing team to rush into a bad decision. They need someone to do that. I’m hoping players like Beagle, Osala and Della Rovere can do that, but right now I think they lack that presence.
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by Steckel Me Elmo on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
And Aaron Ward (I think) had smoked Backstrom before that, Alan May said he also speared AO, so AO wanted to take it into his own hands. Maybe if someone else did that job AO wouldn’t have to? I doubt it’d change his game but it’s something to think about.
Opinions of yours I don't care about: Politics, Religion, Ovechkin.
Laich got abused at one point in the 3rd period, and then shouted at Carolina’s bench for a bit. I’d like to have seen him drop ’em.
Chris Clark needs to step up and enforce.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rink page hits are up, but...
< snark >…I would settle for fewer site visits and more intelligent commentary. I could’ve done without 80% of this thread.
< end snark>
This thread is anomolous in that it was the first thread in the wake of a potentially dreams-dashing injury and was derailed by a troll. It’s not representative of the site’s typical output.
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and was derailed by a troll.
Or two.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Dec 1, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
And, I might add, our contentious spots are much more highbrow than a typical blog. We have a clinical dissection of the other guy’s position, punctuated by the very witty invitation to eat a porcupine.
The average message board or hockey blog ends that back and forth with something along the lines of “yuo dont no shit u stupid fukker go fuk you’re self AO is da bomb Caps win Cup garanteed so fuk u!!!!1”
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