Pick 'Em: Where to Play Eric Fehr
by David M. Getz on Oct 9, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
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The salary cap is a wonderful thing for the NHL. It's brought parity to the game, turned the League into a more level playing field from a management standpoint, and helped secure the NHL's financial security. But sometimes it can sure be a pain in the ass.
That's been the case for the Capitals so far this season, cap restrictions playing a major role in the recall of Boyd Kane, the waiver-wire loss of Chris Bourque, and the team's decision to dress Tyler Sloan as a forward last night, effectively leaving the team with only eleven NHL-caliber forwards. Fortunately that problem looks like it's coming to an end: Eric Fehr is healthy and should be ready to play tomorrow night in Detroit (under unusual circumstances, no less).
Of course this puts this presents Bruce Boudreau and his staff with another problem, albeit a more pleasant one: What line does Eric Fehr play on?
The answer's not obvious. In fact, an argument can be made for just about any of the four. On the one hand, Fehr produced at an impressive level given the amount of ice time he saw last season. Here's how he stacked up among the fourteen forwards who played at least thirty games for the Caps last season (advanced statistics courtesy of Behind the Net):
| Goals/60 | 3rd |
| Points/60 | 4th |
| +/- | t - 3rd |
| +/- ON60 | 3rd |
| Penalties Draw/60 Min | 1st |
| Penalties Taken/ 60 Min | 6th |
| Corsi | 2nd |
| Quality of Competition | 3rd |
| Quality of Teammates | 9th |
In short, Fehr put up great numbers in almost every category despite playing against relatively strong opponents and with relatively weak teammates.
But the season's aggregate numbers don't tell the whole story. His production looks great, but most of it - 12 of his 25 points and seven of his 12 goals - came during one thirteen game stretch. It's true that it's hard to be consistent when you're seeing fourth line minutes and little powerplay time, but it's also true that Fehr's mid-season explosion means he wasn't doing a whole lot for much of the year. On top of his inconsistency Fehr, despite his size, is not a very physical player, something that works against his value when he's not scoring.
At the moment, Boudreau has Fehr on the team's third line, skating with David Steckel and Chris Clark. But it was your call, where would you slot Fehr? (And feel free to let us know with whom in the comments.)
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I see fehr hopefully adding a scoring touch to the third line and being able to play consistent there and then if he outplays someone on the top two to be moved up or if someone on the top 2 lines needs a lesson be moved down. The whole situation just gets more cloudy when flash comes back though.
by i12swim on Oct 9, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d put him in Hershey for a couple of games.
Lack of Fehr is not the reason we lost two games.
I’d maybe play him to bench someone as a message, but it’s a bit early for that.
by Icebat on Oct 9, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Caps are only carrying 12 forwards at the moment – would you play Sloan as a forward while Fehr’s in Hershey?
by David M. Getz on Oct 9, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s a separate question/poll
:)
by Icebat on Oct 9, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid question: Flash appears to be nowhere near to returning, despite the “week to week” nature of his health. Shouldn’t he be on LTIR? Seems to me it’s easily going to be 10 games or more before he’s ready to play. I suppose it doesn’t necessarily matter, but it could have affected the player called up from Hershey, or not demoted, for opening night?
by gfcaps fan on Oct 9, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it could have, but… if the Caps LTIR’d Flash to keep Bourque, they’d have gone over the cap and into the LTIR cushion which would’ve meant that they wouldn’t be able to bank any money under the cap later on. It might not sound like much, but if guys get healthy and a move or two is made, that difference can be enormous.
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, considering potential implications next year for going over the cushion.
(New rule. No more trading for Rangers forwards. Ever. Sorry, Callahan/Dubinsky fans.)
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. And I’m not the Bourque lobby; he’d have been gone sooner or later. But as we were talking about a pro-rated $17,000, I just thought I’d ask. (And I’ve probably got the whole LTIR misunderstood, but I recall that being the amount we’d have been over.)
by gfcaps fan on Oct 9, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the Bourque lobby, and continue to lobby for playing time, even while he’s playing for the Pens. I can only hope that we’ve figured out this cap issue by the time he hits the waiver wire again, if at all.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was under the impression he was? Is Tomas hitting the cap right now?
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flash is counting against the cap presently, yes.
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third line ‘til we see how his wheels are. I know he’s been practicing hard.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Conditioning shouldn’t really be a problem right? His legs should be fine, its his shot that I’m worried about.
by Sct112 on Oct 9, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It helps he’s got some decent chemistry with Steckel, hopefully those guys can find their mojo.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 9, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he seems to meld well with nearly anyone. he’s a hard worker that’s hungry. he worked great with Laich, if my memory isn’t too damaged…
by ns on Oct 9, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, when Fehr and Flash are finally back and healthy, the Caps should look like:
14 up front:
OV – Backs – Semin
Laich – Morrison – Knuble
Fehr – Steckel – Flash
Bradley – Gordon – Clark
(Nylander)
Laing as #13, in some games. Starts on the 4th line, pushes Clark to 3, Flash to 2, Knuble to 1 pending relative position of injured player.
7 in the back:
Green – ShaMo
Pothier – Schultz
Poti – (Erskine / Jurcina / Sloan)
One of the 3 has to be moved before Flash’s return, either to the waiver wire or in a trade. The other two bounce starts pending performance and/or serve as injury filler.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More or less, though I think you’ll see Flash on the left side of some line and Fehr back on the right.
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the SOB line the new go-to first line? I thought it was going to be 8-19-22.
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by jakeshapiro on Oct 9, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The moment Knuble signed with the Caps, that’s the line everyone talked about, and AFAIK, we’ve yet to see it for even a shift.
I’m just as confused considering how much Boudreau likes to mix lines up, even mid game.
by TFG on Oct 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFAIK
Sorry. What does that stand for?
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant AFAIC, as far as i am concerned
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many acronyms these days iirc. Hard to keep up! :)
by bigeugene on Oct 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche, I am still finding out about most of them. I think it’s my lack of texting with 15 year old girls.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
TSQOACMIPCFTWANOFWT.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTH
I’m not even going to try with that one. But if it’s an insult then STSUYA
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDUWTHTMPE (I don’t understand what the hell that meant; please explain)
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TSQOACMIPCFTWANOFWT = The sheer quantity of acronyms can make it particularly confusing for those who are not overly familiar with them.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s awesome. You might have too much time on your hands but i like it.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
In case no one has said it, welcome friend. You and your avatar have a seat. Would you like a fine imported cigar or flavored vodka?
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 9, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BP, you are the most interesting man in the world.
Fight, you time-wasting figure skaters!
by boutros23 on Oct 9, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He lives vicariously… through himself.
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by jakeshapiro on Oct 9, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now I’m trying to talk Eddie Shore into taking back this guy he gave me for the team in Omaha. Compulsive, this guy is.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 9, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that a pigeon? Hilarious.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 9, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While we’re on the subject, I haven’t been able to figure out IIRC.
by capfan on Oct 9, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I Remember Correctly
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give it “recall” instead of “remember,” but I suppose recall and remember are synonymous in this context.
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t feel bad, i had to look that one up the other day. and im behind on cled, even though it’s been used all the time here.
by hockeyman33 on Oct 9, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was one thread on which it sprang up, I think around 2 weeks ago. CIed = Capitals Insider ed (as in comments). Sorta like “first” ing is PDed
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to argue with the numbers they put up early, but clocking all four young guns for first line time, plus overstaying them on the power play that often, is going to wear them out.
I like the power play a lot more when the second power play unit sees half the time. Ovechkin doesn’t give up that goal on the bad Semin pass if he’s got the gas to catch up or make a better play on the puck behind him, but he’d been out there for quite a while already.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. “All four young guns.”
Mike Green has been more of a popgun so far.
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by jakeshapiro on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will personally drive to CCM headquarters and lobby on Green’s behalf, if this stick thing is still an issue.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it completely his stick’s fault that he’s been playing like this since the playoffs?
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by jakeshapiro on Oct 9, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s no more 100% the fault of Green’s stick for his recent play than it is the hockey magnet on the back of my car that’s given me so much grief with projects at work this week.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will personally drive toCCMEaston headquarters and lobby on Green’s behalf, if this stick thing is still an issue.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 9, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sometimes forget we have a 2nd PP unit. It comes on the ice so rarely and in such short bursts.
I think many here hope BB will one day wake up and realize that young guns TOI, especially the long shifts, needs to be reduced. I fear that is a pipe dream.
by CP2Devil on Oct 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BB said at the convention that if any of us could convince them to come off the ice sooner than please help. I don’t give him a free ride in this though because it is the coaches job to take care of these types of things, but i think he was trying to get across that he does know it’s a bit of a problem.
Would any of us bench Ovie for a game because his shifts are too long. I wouldn’t.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But BB could reduce his PP time. I personally want to see more 2nd unit with Ovie-Pothier on the point and a different set of forwards.
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that if he is going to limit time as punishment it should be PP time. But that shouldn’t be necessary for a bunch of grown men.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not, but I think that would be the clearest message. Save it for the playoffs, Bruce.
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? You want to punish AO in the playoffs when him not scoring could actually cost us an important game? If AO sits a couple PPs in the regular season it doesn’t matter in the bigger picture. If AO sits PPs in the playoffs we’re in trouble.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 9, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come on, there’s a very, very easy solution to this.
Send the 2nd unit out first. Tell them you’ll keep doing that as long as they have reasonable shift lengths. And if they ever take a penalty on PP, the experiment ends.
This also forces the opposition into the tough choice of whether to send their 1st or 2nd PKers out to start the penalty.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 9, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still give AO double shifts on the PP. I however want to see more balanced units and two of ’em out 1 min each on a 2 min PP. I think that involves Semin switching with Flash and no Green-double shift, but that should be it.
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I mean if the Caps are say down 3-1 in a series and 3-0 in a game. Then what?
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then maybe they should have paid more attention to building good habits in October…
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 10, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I’ll buy that take on the poll – regardless of when he plays, where do we think he should play
by Icebat on Oct 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got Fehr and Flash’s relative wing positions mixed up, but they’re on the same line in this scenario, so no big deal.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question – has Fehr, as far as we know, played much on the left side?
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as far as I know. I’ve only seen/heard of him on the right side all the way from juniors to this very day.
by David M. Getz on Oct 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought Clark would be more versatile to move to the other side
by Fehrskine on Oct 9, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flopping wings is the easiest positional change to make. For any of these guys to not be able to play either wing is unfathomable to me. It’s like Green still not having a stick he likes.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 9, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Fehr on the 3rd line. Ideally that gives the 3rd line a better scoring threat with Fehr and Clark working together.
by DanH86 on Oct 9, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd line. They need a third line than can shutdown opposing forwards effectively and still be a scoring threat. A lot of pressure on a guy coming off two shoulder rehabs. It’s a chance to shine and guage where he’s at.
overall, it’s all indicative of a larger concern which is how do the coaches overcome the lack of hands/skill/whateveryouwannacallit in the bottom 6 at the moment.
by Hunky Dory on Oct 9, 2009 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
left wing?
That’s gonna make ot tougher on him, no?
by Hunky Dory on Oct 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I’d put Eric on the third, but I wouldn’t stop there. I’d move Clark to the fourth and bring up Brads. Chris just hasn’t shown me anything so far. In fact, he looks a step slow. Having Clark and Fehr on the same line could be disastrous against some of the faster lines in the league. Bradley would provide some badly needed giddyup. Once Flash returns then I’d move him to the third and push Matt back to the fourth although I might be tempted to put Laich on the third where he was really effective last year and Flash or Fehr on the second. I’d hand out more advice but I have to go off and win a Nobel Prize.
by b.orr4 on Oct 9, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I have Fehr on line two, but I also have a lot of line shifting:
Ovechkin – Backstrom – Knuble
Semin – Morrison – Fehr
Laich – Steckel – Clark
Laing – Gordon – Bradley
Gives a chance to see what Fehr can do in the top six and it gets you a look at a Laich – Steckel – Clark third line which is something I’d love to see.
by David M. Getz on Oct 9, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now there are some balanced lines!
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Oct 9, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Fehr!
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rimshot!
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by Scott in Shaw on Oct 9, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am on board with these lines.
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you backed away from Backis as the second line center?
by Sct112 on Oct 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think (or hope) that Backs and Ovie will be together for a long time, so they should stay together.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m on board with that, too. I’m on board with spreading the wealth (of talent).
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by J.P. on Oct 9, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is difficult to argue with that. Spread the talent, shorten shifts… seems like a win win to me.
by Sct112 on Oct 9, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what do you do when Flash returns? Move him to the second, Fehr to the third and Clark to the fourth? I have no problem with that reconstituted first line.
by b.orr4 on Oct 9, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it sounds like a total cop-out but it depends on how Fehr looks.
by David M. Getz on Oct 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a dangerous left wing, ’til you get to Laing.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Oct 9, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that Laing in the 4th slot is “dangerous” in terms of what you expect from that line. He blocks shots, although not so many so far this year AFAIK, plays good D, and he doesn’t take too many penalties.
by GreenLife420 on Oct 9, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll buy that, and revise my statement. That’s a dangerous left wing.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Oct 9, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pigeon?
Oh, pigeon. Well done.
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by Your Nation's Capital on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
these are what I expect to see with fehr in and flash still out. So far, the lines have been head scratching. Semin, ovechkin and backstrom have put up great numbers but the team has suffered for it, oddly. and yes, if fehr works out. Having semin and Morrison to play with should help him out. laich-steckel-Clark seems a no brainer, but so does leaviing Fehr at rw.
Caps have been thin on rw for a long time. Sticking with their man and taking fehr in the draft was to address that. Those lines address that issue and patch it up. Still, dudes had two shoulder surgeries so it ain’t fehr to expect to much.
by Hunky Dory on Oct 9, 2009 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'd keep Laich on #2
To keep the PP rotation smooth. Otherwise, you get a little hiccup either before or after a PP. Nothing huge, but a consideration.
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by D'ohboy on Oct 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or… You get that top line off the ice after the first minute of the PP and throw them out right after the PP ends for a quick shift because that’s when you know every team is throwing their big guns out there and whatever players they want matched against AO are gassed from the PK.
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by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 9, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure BB likes playing Semin on RW. Since OV takes long shifts, he has the ability of having OV and Semin play together even when they are on seperate lines.
by CapsFanSince1979 on Oct 10, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its also so when Ovie stays out long on a shift change, Semin isn’t stuck on the bench twiddling his thumbs until Ovie decides he’s good and ready to sit down.
by RedBirdie on Oct 10, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep him on the third. i can’t wait to see what he does tomorrow night against detroit!
by lancerevo on Oct 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Start Fehr on third line. Glad he’s back. Generally, he’s the type that can play on any line although with our cast of characters, the second or third line is the most natural slot for him. (Clark has also been pretty adaptable in that way, too.)
In many ways, our third line (when everyone’s healthy) is like a second line. (I saw situations where the Caps third line for a given game is the same line that was their second line 2-3 months earlier. And vice versa for the second line.)
by CapsFan75 on Oct 9, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about on the trading block? The waiver wire?
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by hotdog88gt on Oct 9, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Tex goes yard in extra innings, 2-0 series lead.. w00t! What a game.
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by winterion on Oct 9, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not worth a fanpost but interesting
Bout to head out, Stars game’s on. Announcer at intermission report:
“One guy I really noticed is Brian Sutherby. He knows his place out there, he finishes his checks, goes to the net. Now here he heads to the net, sees there are two guys there already, goes back and plays a good defensive role there, then sneaks up and is there to knock the puck in”
Isn’t this his third franchise now?
by Icebat on Oct 9, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Caps, Ducks, Stars…it’s been at least three.
by red army line on Oct 9, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The salary cap is a wonderful thing for the NHL….helped secure the NHL’s financial security
Many an NHL city would disagree on that point!
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