Fehr's a Bust
by RPI93 on Oct 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
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Five years after being drafted, Fehr put up a measly 25 points (12 goals and 13 assists) in 61 games. It's time to pull the plug, since it's obvious he's going nowhere. After the jump, a comparison with another young power forward.
Brooks Laich. 1st 2 full NHL Seasons:
GP G A Points
73 7 14 21
73 8 10 18
See what I mean? (And Laich did not even have to contend with a season-ending back injury).
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For your review and consideration, but I think your comparison is unfair. Fehr’s outproduced Laich at every level except this one, where he’s struggled to stay healthy and only played 109 career NHL games. I’m not saying Fehr > Laich, but I am saying patience should be exercised.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 3, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I said the same thing about Brooks Liach two years ago, and the same about Flash last year, I’m keeping my mouth shut. Fehr is the kind of hockey player I absolutely love he grinds through checks along the boards keeping the puck on his stick just long enough to dish it to the front of the net to set up a garbage goal. He’s a strong, hard working net presence. As of now he’s an almost ideal third line player.
by DC FURY on Oct 3, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You cant rely on stats to judge development. Fehr has battled through injuries and that has slowed him down, while Laich hadn’t.
by hockeyman33 on Oct 3, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the whole point of this thread. Check the stat lines again and Fehr has more points in his 61 games than Laich had in either of his first two seasons.
The whole thread is tongue in cheek.
Fehr will be fine if he can just stay healthy. He’ll be just fin in my opinion.
by MetalCap on Oct 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole thread is tongue in cheek.
It’s hard to tell considering how many folks are new to the show, so to speak.
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 3, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure “tongue in cheek” is how I’d describe it (I’d say fecitious). Fehr has at least another year to develop, and his lack of numbers early may keep him inexpensive for a few more years. At this point, we couldn’t afford Getzlaf.
by RPI93 on Oct 3, 2009 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Facetious?
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Oct 4, 2009 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that one. I blame typing on my iPhone.
by RPI93 on Oct 4, 2009 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No problem :)
"It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Delores Ibarruri
by gotsparkly on Oct 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relatively speaking, Fehr is a 1st-round bust. 2003 may be the greatest draft class ever, and there were absolute studs taken after him. However, he’s a decent player who from time to time finds chemistry with a player or players (remember F-street?) and then explodes (unfortunately I only know of one instance of this—Feb 2009). But he’s a Holmstrom-type NHLer, if any. If he gets that good, I’ll be more than happy.
by red army line on Oct 3, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got a Huge Specimen on the phone that would like to talk to you about the meaning of “bust.”
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Montoya? Looking at the trend, unfortunately, Fehr didn’t follow it. That’s what I meant—that there were so many good players taken near him (Getzlaf, Perry, Parise, etc) that he looks bad. But he’s decent and has top-6 potential. Enough for me.
by red army line on Oct 3, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hugh Jessiman. C’mon man, where is your pun sense?
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright. Rings a bell, but memory fail right now.
2003. Right. That’s the biggest bust of the draft, but looking at the 1st round alone, I count 20 guys I’d take ahead of him (most of the rest I simply don’t know enough about to tell).
by red army line on Oct 3, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Jessiman is the only one to never play an NHL game, IIRC. Sure, in hind sight you’d take someone ahead of Fehr, but in hind sight we don’t get either of Jeff Schultz or Mike Green in 2004 (and no CBo either!). GMGM has hits and misses but I think on balance he’s been solid since 2004.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rangers management is still taking hits for the drafting of Hugh. Poile finally took him off their hands. Last I checked Hugh was still expected to play in the AHL again this season. That draft class is plain sick. May be the best 1st round class ever.
by CP2Devil on Oct 3, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely zero reason to ditch Fehr. I don’t get whether this is a cled or a serious post. The guy is likely a 3rd liner, to be honest, and while I don’t think he’s the best fit for this team, he’s also our third best right wing, in my eyes, and there’s no one else who can fill his roll who is currently on the roster. To call him a bust is a joke when the team took Pokuluk in the first round as well. Like him or dislike him, he does his job, and though I see him just as a guy who takes potshots from outside too often and not a net crasher, he’s only 25. He has time to Get better, and hopefully does.
For what it’s worth, first round draft picks after the top 5 are generally 50-50 shots. And if I hear one more ‘We could have had Getzlaf’ I’m going to vomit, because honestly, no way he develops the same way in our system as he did Anaheim’s.
Meanwhile, I wonder how many people are still whining that we didn’t get Bryzgalov.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how you can say there is no way Getzlaf develops the same in our system. That seems like wild speculation. I’m with you though, let’s move on from the Getzlaf talk; especially if you like Backstrom and Alzner.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a better way of saying it is there’s no promises or guarantees that he develops the same way.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 3, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess but there isn’t much about Getzlaf that makes me think he wasn’t going to pan out in another organization. It’s like saying Jarome Iginla wouldn’t have been Jarome Iginla if DAL had never traded him, seems unlikely.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree on Getzlaf. Iginla’s one of those generation superstars. I don’t think Getzlaf fits the same bill.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 3, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree, the guy is absurdly skilled, big, fast and physical. If anything, he doesn’t get enough attention because he plays in Anaheim and up until last season on a team with Pronger and Nieds. Guy is still 24 and he was the best player in the SJS/Ana series. I don’t think it’s in any way out of the question that he has an Iginla-wins-the-Hart type season sometime in the next few years, especially if he has a bonafide second line.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 3, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was the best player in the SJS/Ana series
Being the best player in a series against one of the worst performing playoff squads in recent NHL history doesn’t exactly do it for me.
Sorry I really like Getzlaf too, but he’s not in Iggy’s class.
Iginla is faster than Getzlaf, has a better shot, and has better hands. Also I’ve never seen Ryan take over a game like Iggy can. The talent level of guys he has played with has been extremely uneven over the years. Getzlaf has played with a much better cast of teammates over his brief career.
Stats – Iggy’s scored 50 or more twice. Getzlaf’s high in goals is 25 in his 4th season (last year). Iggy’s was putting a 29 goal season together in his 4th NHL season (in the middle of the trap era).
by CP2Devil on Oct 3, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getzlaf is just getting started. Let’s watch his career play out a bit more before we try to get conclusive.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 3, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s just not an explosive guy in mind. I’m not saying he stinks, far from it. Solid above average guy who drives the net well. But to me he’s not a superstar.
I use the arena test when it comes to superstars. Do people hold their breathe when the guy hits the ice or when he makes a move.
Just my 2 cents.
by CP2Devil on Oct 3, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use the arena test when it comes to superstars. Do people hold their breathe when the guy hits the ice or when he makes a move.
This is the electric player; Iginla, Datsyuk, Malkin, Gaborik, or Ovechkin. They can dazzle you with skill, they’re explosive and a threat to score by making a spectacular play every time they’re on the ice.
Then there are other superstars that don’t get it done flashy, but they do get it done, all the time. Sidney Crosby comes to mind, Nick Lidstrom, guys like that. There’s more than one way to have superstar impact on a game.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then there are other superstars that don’t get it done flashy, but they do get it done, all the time. Sidney Crosby comes to mind,
Which is why Semin’s comments can’t be argued with to an extent.
by red army line on Oct 6, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Above average, you say? Guy’s put up 173 points from the pivot in the last two seasons, behind only Malkin, Datsyuk, Thornton and Sid at that position.
You’re selling him waaaay short.
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by bigonetimer on Oct 4, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I am sellling him short, but I’ve always felt he was overated. He plays a nice defensive game, but his goals and points never seem to impress me. He never appears to take over a game. Maybe its a style thing.
I’d say Crosby is pretty flashy. I don’t like him because he a Pen and a whiner, but he’s a great player and an amazing passer.
My eyes are always drawn to Lidstrom when he’s on the ice, but I can see where you’d say he’s not flashy. The word economical comes to mind with him. Great player.
by CP2Devil on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked dominant against San Jose in the WCQF this past season.
by red army line on Oct 6, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he has a better shot, but Getzlaf creates better – Igninla is a wing and Getzlaf is a center. We’re also talking about a series that included Chris Pronger and Scott Niedermayer (although you could make an argument for Pronger being the best skater in that series), two guys who are emphatically not known for underachieving in the playoffs.
I really think you’re underestimating how good Getzlaf’s hands are. Next time you catch a Ducks game, check out some of the stickhandling and passing. He makes high percentage plays, but he’s capable of making the dazzling ones as well.
What I’ve been reading from scouts for years is that Ryan Getzlaf will be as good as he wants to be – his ceiling is that high and his skillset is that comprehensive. I really think when it’s all said and done that we’ll remember he and Iggy as comparably great players. He’s a guy I would build a franchise around and one of three centers in the league I would trade Backs straight-up for.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you quite understood my point. It’s the Sharks who underachieve hence beating them isn’t exactly an amazing accomplishment.
I’ve seen Getzlaf play in person on 3 occasions including in the SC Finals. His hands aren’t as good as Jarome’s hands.
Time will tell.
by CP2Devil on Oct 4, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you quite understood my point. It’s the Sharks who underachieve hence beating them isn’t exactly an amazing accomplishment.
My point was that he was arguably the best player on the ice, on a team with Chris Pronger and Scott Niedermayer. Did the Sharks play up to their potential? No. Did the Ducks play a great series, led by Hiller, Getzlaf and Pronger? Yes, they sure did. He stood out, even in that company.
Just because the Sharks underachieved doesn’t mean that he didn’t play a phenomenal series and playoffs.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 4, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes… he hasn’t had the opportunity to throw enough lawn mowers into the streets… give him two more off-seasons!
by JustJeff on Oct 3, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fehr should consider this thread high praise. Means he’s due for a solid year.
Next year, after the first game of the season, there’ll be a thread declaring Alzner a bust. Totally predictable.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 3, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When’s his contract year? I’m sure that’s when he’ll bust out with a dynamite year where he stays healthy for all 82+playoffs games, amirite?
(Unless this is his contract year, in which you know, hey.)
I have as many wins in a Capitals uniform as Michael Belhumeur does.
by marky narc on Oct 3, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, its a contract year for him. He’s a RFA this offseason.
by CP2Devil on Oct 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I thought we had another year after this year. Either way he’s not going to put up huge numbers so he’ll be in for modest raises early in his career. Carlson is the guy you gotta worry about breaking the bank with a huge contract year.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I double checked. I was right he’ll be an RFA after this season. Makes $772,000 right now. Like you said he’d get a modest raise but nothing shocking.
Carlson still has another year on his deal after this year I believe.
by CP2Devil on Oct 4, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the ELC must start running the moment it gets signed, not when the guy turns pro. IIRC Alzner and Calrson signed 3 year deals so basically the first year got burned in the CHL. I don’t think it’s a big deal except insofar as it affects the ability for those guys to move without passing waivers, but in reality I think everyone expects them to be on the big club full time when the ELC expires.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Fehr and Balanced on Oct 4, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it starts when it’s signed. That’s why the Bourque loss and asset management/not resolving the D situation frustrates me as it relates to Alzner. But that’s old ground covered.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 4, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000
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by hotdog88gt on Oct 6, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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