Saturday Caps Clips: Caps @ Islanders Gameday
by J.P. on Oct 24, 2009 8:48 AM EDT
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Your savory breakfast links:
- Previews of tonight's game from Vogs (more here), NHL.com, and Cap Centre, and be sure to check out our SB Nation partner Lighthouse Hockey for pregame coverage from the other side of tonight's match up.
- Our own Stephen Pepper was on Hockey Night on Long Island to talk about the game. Check it out. [HNoLI]
- Michael Nylander (pictured) made his Grand Rapids Griffins debut last night and had three power play assists in a come-from-behind win. [GriffinsHockey.com, Grand Rapids Press]
- Alex Ovechkin was fined $2,500 for his hit on Rich Peverley, which brings his career totals to 847 regular season hits... and one instance of supplementary discipline. So let's stop the "Ovechkin is dirty" meme before it gets off the ground (again), okay? [NHL.com]
- A couple of Bears veterans are trying to kick-start the Caps' secondary scoring. [Washington Times]
- The Caps power play is slumping. [Washington Post]
- Tomas Fleischmann has been assigned to Hershey on a conditioning assignment. [Capitals]
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It is ridiculous that Kozlov was not fined for his brutal, dangerous boarding of Scotty Gomez and that AO was fined for his much less dangerous hit. That might be some indication that said meme is already running wild.
This is typical cya by Campbell. He just suspended Artyukhin for three games for a slew foot, so by NHL logic he can’t punish a journeyman Russian and then let a superstar countryman get off with nothing. If he did, the howls of protest from Pittsburgh and Toronto would be deafening. Of course, there’s still no rational for not suspending Kozlov whose hit was by far the most dangerous of the three. I swear, the judicial system in Iran is less arbitrary than the NHL’s.
by b.orr4 on Oct 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Actually, he presented his logic in those comments – Artyukhin’s slew foot resulted in an injury to a player, Ovechkin’s didn’t. It’s a bit like the “high-stick drew blood” argument – doesn’t matter that you can have a much more dangerous (and potentially more damaging) high stick not draw blood – one gets 4 minutes and one gets 2 minutes.
They like clear-cut boundaries, because it doesn’t require any actually thinking or analysis.
but then they ignore their own clear cut boundaries when ever they feel like it.
by RedBirdie on Oct 24, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Be that as it may, I don’t believe that’s the case in this instance. I said it the other day, OV’s hit was a borderline slew foot, but it was a dangerous hit that was definitely avoidable. Punishment fits the crime in this case.
I’m fine with a small fine to Ovi if it means the league is taking slew foots seriously. I just hope they’re consistent with the next guy.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 24, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed. I would like some sense of consistency from the league office.
For whatever reason over the last 18 months I’ve become much more attune to how inconsistent they really are. Off the top of my head I can name atleast four cases where I felt a punishment was deserved for our flightless friends from the north.
Note that Colon Campbell’s explanation of the Ovechkin fine includes mention that it was ‘late in a close game’. Maybe Kozlov’s hit occurred at a suitable time/goal differential?
Astute observation. I just don’t buy that as any sort of excuse for what Kozlov did. You can look at those plays and say “it was late and close so the guy probably wasn’t trying to send a message or take a PIM because it would cost the team so it was probably an accident.” I can understand that. But Kozlov’s was so fucking flagrantly dangerous that there is no excuse that can justify not suspending him. I don’t care if it Kozlov throws that “check” in OT of a G7, he needs to be sat. Unfortunately my love obsession with hockey runs so deep that I won’t even be able to walk away when a guy’s neck is inevitably broken; and the NHL botches the punishment. And now my blood is boiling. Thanks.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
The illogical nature of the NHL’s supplementary discipline is precisely why one can’t draw the conclusion that a player is not dirty just because they haven’t been disciplined. Not that I think AO is dirty (it’s more that his aggressive play tends to get him in situations where he makes unintentionally borderline hits), but I can think of several players in the NHL that have never been disciplined but I would consider dirty players.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 24, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly right on both counts. All players that play aggressive and walk the line cross the line sometimes. AO is no different. I’ve never been arrested for a DWI, and I’m not proud to admit it, but I have gotten behind the wheel of a car after drinking.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Maybe I’m the only one but I’m glad to see Nyles playing. Its a tough situation, and I know its all business, but I would hate to have to keep someone from playing hockey. Whatever works out on the business end, I’m glad he gets to play some games.
I don’t think you’re the only one. In fact, I can’t imagine anyone’s unhappy to see him playing.
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Yeah I guess I’m just thinking about how much negativity has (had) been flying around before the Nyles to the Griffins Post. I was really glad to see how things were laid out in a clear analysis of the situation and the fact that this is not really Nyles’ fault (at least not primarily).
Just a couple of random dummies there – see how quickly Zephyr’s (?) comment got rec’d?
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He looks really good in red, doesn’t he?
..oops.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Talking about that. Those sweaters for Grand Rapids are really sweat looking. I might have to buy one…hmm, maybe a 92 Nylander one?
by Quaternions on Oct 24, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I was about to say the logo looks atrocious. I can’t stand them.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 24, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The Caps power play is slumping. [Washington Post]
Hmm…
“[Nylander’s] poise with the puck is terrific. He’s the guy that got the power play going.” [Grand Rapids Press]
Play Nyls!!!!!
/sarcasm
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin
Oh god…Jon Sim is on the Islanders? We are so in trouble. Eh, maybe we will finally break his luck tonight.
He is definately a Caps killer, even back to his days on the Stars.
I need 100% of you guys to give 110% 100% of the time.
by capsfan4life on Oct 24, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Six goals in his last 12 games against the Caps.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Richard Park is on the Isles too.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Sim : Capitals :: David Steckel : TBL :: Eric Fehr : ATL :: Alex Semin : CAR
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
eh…don’t know about that last one F&B. Sure, Semin has been great against Carolina in his career, but it’s not like he sucks it up against everyone else. Semin is just damned dangerous period, and has just had good success against Carolina. The others, at least to this point, not so much.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Semin is an out-lier because he is by far the most talented player on the list. I’m just pointing out that his career production against CAR is much higher than his normal career production; he basically owns CAR. Jon Sim and David Steckel are basically worthless offensively (Blasphemy! 10th MVC!) when they aren’t playing against WAS/TBL, respectively, while Semin is not, and the jury is still out on Fehr.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
“We practice it all the time. This is what we do in these situations,” Boudreau said. "Then we get into that situation, and four guys know what to do, and the guy that has the puck ends up saying, ‘You know what? I see a better play around the corner and I’m going to try something else.’ "- Bruce Boudreau
“He (Nylander) is an NHL player, and you can see why,” Fraser said. “His poise with the puck is terrific. He’s the guy that got the power play going.” -Grand Rapids coach Kurt Fraser
Maybe…No, that’s crazy talk.
I’ll preface this remark by saying I know abolutely nothing about the Griffins, and haven’t read anything about the game other than what’s been quoted here. Does this possibly say nothing more than what we already know — that Nylander is great in the right system? If Grand Rapids stinks and he makes them better, he’s fitting into that system. But if the problem here is that he can’t adapt, that means the right team(s) has to be interested in him for any deal (NHL or KHL) to work.
Probably, it means nothing more than he’s still, at 37, much better than AHL players. I still believe his style would fit in well on the wider KHL rinks and hopefully some KHL teams will think likewise. Three assists doesn’t hurt his case, even if it is in the AHL.
by b.orr4 on Oct 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not surprised at all. He was never a bad player, and he was still mildly productive while here, just not productive enough compared to his contract.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
powerless play
Is it just me or does the caps power play unit seem to be standing around too much? Other teams I have watched seem to have more movement in their power play, not saying it makes some teams more effective but it would appear that it gets the penalty killers scrambling a bit.
Yes…it seems a lot of success comes when the points skate laterally with the puck. Pothier actually does this well. Ovechkin scores many times off the face-off like this. It also forces everyone to cycle, making D move and goalies shift side-to-side in the crease.
Shooting in your lane without working for a better shot seems to be a problem for Green. That and not being able to hit the net…
I’m quite literally betting that the PP will wake up in this game.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
The Isle’s PK is allowing 7.87 Goals per 60 minutes of PK time (good for 17th in the league, same as their PK%). I’ll have these numbers up in a fan post, maybe later today.
For reference (and shameless plug of my current fanpost) the Caps are scoring just over 7 goals per 60 mins on the PP, compared to the over 10 they put up last year. Sluggish is one word for it.
This all means our PP will suck and we will lose. I remember these exact conversations from last year.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Shut uuuup!
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Different teams do power plays in completely different ways. I’ve been watching a few games lately of other teams, and the Wings are the stereotypical “Park a guy in front of the net and shoot pucks and move it around,” and that works for them. Other teams just pass it around, trying to find a backdoor play (Caps being one of those teams, and yes, movement helps with that). One power play I’m finding I like (But I’m not 100% sure of it’s productivity off hand, but I’ve seen it working) is the LA Kings. It works down low, and basically they have a guy behind the net with the puck, and they try to work a 3 on 2 isolation on the back two defenders, and I’ve seen Kopitar score two or three goals like this.
I’m not saying we need to adopt any other strategy, or that your point on skating isn’t valid, your post just spurred my thoughts on this.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
What I miss from our PP, which I thought we brought in #22 to fix (and have Laich and a healthy Clark to work on too), was the deflection out front. I know he is good at cleaning up trash, but I haven’t seen that floating, not too hard, shot just wide of the net with someone out front, for the redirect behind the keeper. Saw a couple beautiful ones last night, can’t remember the game, where the keeper made some really nice saves. Might have been the Panthers game.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Watching the game with three good friends..
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
They do minis now? Heh.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovie's not dirty
I think he’s just a little bit agressive. It comes from all of the passion he has on the ice. He probably shouldn’t have been fined…
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by Brad_Richards_Rocks on Oct 24, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
No “Probably” about it. He shouldn’t have been fine. That play warranted what it got during the game…2 minutes for Tripping. The only reason this got the NHL to look at it, was because the damn Canadian Press made a big deal about it.
by Quaternions on Oct 24, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And what I love is the reasons that were given for why he wasn’t suspended: “because the puck was in the area of the incident, the game was close and Ovechkin did not appear to intend to injure Peverley, who was not hurt.”
So…why was he fined? Sounds like a straight forward tripping call to me. I guess the league likes to send their little messages, but only sometimes. You know, when they feel like it. If they got enough sleep the night before or aren’t too full from dinner or something.
That’s not true at all. See above. If the shoe were on the other foot and a Cap took that hit everyone would be screaming bloody murder.
The NHL looked at it because Ovechkin used his foot to take out another player’s foot from behind. It was a slew foot. Not a particularly dangerous one, but that’s what it was.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not 100% sure I’d be up in arms, but yeah, I’m not exactly upset he was fined. And I do think the majority of Canadian Press I seem to read (And for the most part, I read TSN and that’s about it) and obviously Don Cherry and some of the ESPN guys and even some of the VS guys are over the top xenophobic. Some Canadians (Not all, but some) seem to have a little brother complex, thinking they need to be the best at hockey because they think that Canada doesn’t have much else. I think xenophobia, to an extent, is why some Canadians hate hockey in southern US towns, even if it’s successful. I won’t get into it any deeper than I have, because frankly, I don’t think the majority of Canadians are like this. Just a vocal minority.
I'm so sick and tired of the refs explaining the calls like this is the NFL.
by Whiter Mage on Oct 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Jealousy is another big reason Canada hates southern US teams. They hate that a city that doesn’t “deserve a team” has a team when Quebec City, Winnipeg, etc. don’t.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
That was a nice interview with Pepper, he definitely held up his end of the bargain. Nice to hear from someone who follows the other squad, too.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions
Alan May looks really uncomfortable in front of the camera, but I think he’s been offering some very solid and candid analysis of the games so far.
by mechanicsville on Oct 24, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Alan May is definitely rough around the edges in terms of his commentating (right word?) skills on TV, but I think it’s cool that Comcast brought him onboard. It’s good to see an old school Cap get a chance like this. I was a huge fan of his, and he was the reason I chose #16 as the jersey number on my high school soccer team.
I think trying to come up with new content about a team that you discuss on a regular basis is a tough job and better them than me.
The production values are low, but I don’t think that’s a team-sponsored production. If it’s someone blogging independently, I’m totally willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and forgive a few stumbles and hiccups. Would I have preferred it if he had some more coherent talking points and a better general idea of where he was going with some of his points? Yes. But taking it for what it appeared to be, it was a decent specimen.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that guy pronouncing “Japers’” correctly?
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I’ve been pronouncing Jay-Purrs, rhymes with capers.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 24, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Me too.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
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