Friday Caps Clips: Hangin' On for Two Points
by J.P. on Oct 23, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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- Recaps of the Caps win in Atlanta from Corey (blog, article), Tarik (blog, article), Caps Chick, Peerless, Ed Frankovic's Blog, Cap Centre (here, too) and Hockey Mom.
- Reliving Jeff Schultz's first goal of the season. They're all line drives in the box score, baby. [FanHouse, Caps365 (video)]
- Ilya Kovalchuk wants what Alex Ovechkin has. (But guess what? He can't have it - he's got Don Waddell as his general manager.) [AJC]
- Interesting "guess where Michael Nylander will land" post over at Puck Daddy, but a) we don't "have to agree that there are only two leagues in the world that can afford Nylander's salary -- the NHL and the KHL," since the acquiring club won't pay a nickel of the Swede's salary (and, for the same reason, the list doesn't have to be narrowed down to "one of the rich KHL clubs," and b) is the foreign-born player roster restriction such a potential impediment if we can "[j]ust ask Radek Bonk, who was "released" by Lokomotiv Yaroslavl after coming over to the KHL from the Nashville Predators, how easily [a team can either trade or release one of their foreign born players]"? [Puck Daddy]
- Speaking of Nylander, he couldn't be happier at the prospect of actually playing hockey again. [Grand Rapids Press]
- The Caps have the League's seventh best
trade baitprospect pool. [Hockey's Future] - Next time Bruce Boudreau's thinking of a "bag skate," might I suggest some alternatives. [The Hockey News]
- Eric Fehr has a radio show. Who knew? [In The Room]
- Fehr and Tyler Sloan don't know why hockey pucks are round. Heh. It's because... um... err... [The Gazette]
- The Caps' local TV ratings are up 27% through six games. [@N_E_I]
- Catching up with Andrew Gordon, the third of the Bears' top line that was left in Hershey on Thursday. [John Walton Hockey]
- And if we're talking Bears, there aren't two better people on the planet to do the talking than John Walton and Tim Leone. [John Walton Hockey]
- In case you were wondering why I seldom if ever link to Bleacher Report, here's a partial answer. [Hockey Or Die!]
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No more bag skates? Look at what happens in games preceeded by bag skates: Jeff Schultz discovers a scoring touch, caroms off the boards arrive just where Chris Clark can tap them in…this stuff is magic.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
Like I said in the previous post, I think it’s too early to say that the bag skates didn’t work. We’re not talking about stopping a habit from forming – that habit’s already formed, and habits once formed take time to break. Expecting one to vanish overnight is, as Professor Albus Dumbledore once put it, “optimistic to the point of foolishness”.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Not so sure about the Hockey’s Future analysis…he probably overstates the potential of the forwards. And I’m not sure Varly qualifies as a “prospect” any more.
"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"
The use a technical definition of prospect that uses a combination of games played and age and I guess Varly still fits in that.
Anyone else read the Chicago evaluation and get confused into thinking they were talking about the Caps’ D corps? Also, the MIN write up could just as well be describing the big club over the last 5 years.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Varly looks lost at sea. After he gave up the Bogosian softie he pressed, overplaying just about everything in sight. He got flat-out lucky that a couple Thrashers missed lay-ups in the third.
So… is it time to give SV40 a little confidence-building tune-up in the AHL? Is now the time to give Neuvy (2GP, 1-1, 2.00, .922) a shot?
Yeah.
I don’t usually agree with you – mark the date! :) But I think Neuvirth deserves a shot. I don’t like watching Varly during a game – never really have. He’s worked some miracles, but there’s an angel sitting on his crossbar too often for my taste.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
I’d love to see a Theodore-Neuvirth tandem. Varly definitely needs some tuning up. One obstacle will be getting the Varly-loving general Caps fans in the arena to understand why he was sent down, if it happens. When I have a fan in a #40 t-shirt yelling throughout the game to put in Varly when Theodore is keeping us in the game (I think it was the NJ game) that’s quite an intelligence gap to overcome.
Is Theodore clear to play again?
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would that be an obstacle to a hockey move? It’s not like sweater-wearers have veto power.
Theo was the backup goalie last night, so yes.
Oops
Sorry, I didn’t mean an obstacle to actually move him.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’ing that handle, I dug that band many moons ago.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
I also like using this handle because it also appeals to the Pee-Wee Herman crowd as he used to show that short film in his show.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions
That avatar is a How I Met Your Mother reference, yes?
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
BP didn’t even have to warn you to get an avatar. Nicely done.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve lurked here long enough to know better when I signed up!
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah, good on you then. I’m sure BP will offer you some flavored vodka and an imported cigar.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s Friday, so the air must be ripe for La Gloria Cubanas.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t get as much into Bungle as FNM, but I’d listen to the non “Epic” stuff pretty religiously.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Angel Dust is where they really became Patton’s Faith No More. For the The Real Thing he was doing a riff on Chuck Mosely, I think.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I love(d) how twisted Bungle was…and the self-titled album is up there in my all-time favorites. Definitely doesn’t crack the top-10, but it’s always in the rotation.
Agreed on this and on MB’s album. “Squeeze Me Macaroni” always had me falling out when I was younger.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah. FNM was epic (groan). Bungle was a joke (I though).
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Primus is superior.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Oct 23, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t primus suck?
/greatest living bassist
by Yoshietree on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Primus most definitely sucks.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Geddy Lee and Flea are holding on line 1 regarding Primus… : ]
"I am... *grins* ... 'Nobody' "
- Odysseus
by war_capitals on Oct 23, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Flea blows. Geddy Lee is definitely in a “1 and 1a” situation with Claypool.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
“Working man” coming in through my earholes right now, just as I read this.
iTunes gave me “Epic” earlier today. I guess it reads Japers too.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate hate Tool fanatics, but the band is alright I guess. He’s kinda full of himself, which I don’t like too much.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
I only know some Tool songs, and saw him open for NIN with A Perfect Circle.
I do like their stuff overall, but I can understand the “full of himself” thing.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t understand the “full of himself” thing. He’s a rock star. If you dismiss every rock star that is full of themselves then you wouldn’t listen to music. At least Tool has a reason to be full of themselves. They are bad ass and more musically talented than almost any other contemporary band.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I like my musicians humble, thanks!
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
I’m not a huge Tool fan, but I have definitely seen the over-the-top fanaticism you’re talking about.
Full of himself? Keenan carries around business cards that say “Jesus H. Christ” on them. Yes, I’d say so.
No chance that could be irony?
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Oh, totally. But if fails to deliver the funny or clever goods, so it comes off a bit lame. I got nothing against him or Tool. In fact, their music is pretty bad ass, it’s just that I had a trainer once that would constantly play it over and over and over and…
Ha. Anything can get old. Tool rants on the self-important Hollywood crowd so I have a hard time believing that they really think their shit don’t stink. I honestly think it’s just an ironic commentary on the entertainment industry.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I’ll grant you Geddy Lee, though I still think Les is better…but I could actually argue both sides of that. Funny thing is, my first Primus experience was when they were opening up for Rush a long long time ago.
/Flea shouldn’t be mentioned in the same discussion, let alone same sentence as the other two
One of my favorite Les Claypool performances is the riff to “Laquer Head”. Too bad MTV banned the video so it got less play.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t think I can pick a favorite. I don’t think I can pick a favorite from each album.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Oh, there’s plenty more that rank up there, but I just specifically remember being blown away when I first heard that song.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Faith No More is touring again – overseas only now but the States are a possibility. Check out some youtube clips of the tour – they sound unreal!
FNM, Mr Bungle, and Primus all in the same thread. Damn I love this place.
by SethB on Oct 23, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Bungle is great, but I think Faith No More is a little better. The self titled album is amazing, but that crazy absurd style only holds my interest for so long, and I’m not a fan of Disco Valente. Their last album, California, has really grown on me though. Mellower and more straight forward than Mr. Bungle, but still has that wackiness and darkness to it.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
To each their own
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 23, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s no way to act on the internet. You’re right and you damn well better make him submit to your point of view.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
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The Labre Division does not accept defeat!
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Never let it be said that anyone, including and especially the Caps brass, had to actually listen to the most whiny fans in the NHL.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
We do in the stands and online, though!
Sorry my first post here sucked!
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Sucked? Nah, you’re just fine. :) You’re right that we’re going to have to listen to the stupid contingent whine about sending Varly down when it’s obvious he’s a bit lost at sea.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Could you please explain how it’s stupid to posit that a G who gives up at least one softie nearly every night and who has a 3.24 GAA and a .884 save percentage might need some time in the AHL to tune up his game?
In addition, I’d suggest you read posts before responding. Perhaps you could point out to me where I “whined about sending Varly down?”
Whining
I’m not talking about the Japers folks!
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Easy, hoss.
I was referring to the fans who want Varly in every game, not you. if you look, I actually agreed with you above when I said that sending him down for tuneup and bringing up Neuvirth might not be a bad idea, and I still do. But MisterBungle is right in that there’s a certain contingent of fans out there yelling to put Varly in all the time – not Japers’ folks, but there are other Caps fans that don’t frequent the Rink.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Hello strawman
Who exactly wanted Varly in every game? I didn’t see anyone say that either.
You reference Bungle, who said that he wanted to put Neuvy-JT in.
Maybe a better comment-to-thought ratio is in order.
Chill out. He’s talking about Caps fans in the wild, not on this blog.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
by jordanDC on Oct 23, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, and I said that as well – that I was referring to Caps fans who don’t read the Rink.
Tyler, you’re just reacting without reading – exactly what you’re accusing me of doing. Chill out.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Hellw strawman
In addition, I’d suggest you read posts before responding.
She’s fucking agreeing with you.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
by Rob Parker on Oct 23, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Because now I can justify browsing and commenting during the work day with the argument that I am promoting my business.
by Sombrero Guy on Oct 23, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think there’s a lot of Neuvy-love around these parts too. I think he’d be embraced quickly, if not immediately. His style is so much different that it makes the two kids extra-fun to watch.
I feel like Varly will be explosive yet inconsistent while Neuvirth consistent if unspectacular.
by red army line on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Kudos to you, sir.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Joke, dude – backhanded reference to that XM poll from a while back.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Yea, it was a poll on XM’s War Room show about a week ago. I can’t seem to find a link though.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
9 games in is too early, imo. Granted, we’re lucky to be winning with the effort he’s put forth so far, but that fact buys some time to see if can settle things down. I’m taking the long view that such a quick demotion may have more adverse than positive effects. That said, #60 should be getting the call more often right now.
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think we’re at the point where they’re swapping out Varlamov for Neuvirth, but there’s 5 games vs. the Isle and Florida over the next couple weeks which serve as prime “getting right” opportunities for the guy up here now.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s ESPN and all, but Jeff Schultz got a mention on Sports Center for what I assume is the first time ever.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions
Not the last either. He’s an offensive juggernaut! ; ) That kind of offensive showing will really get those silly ‘Trade Green’ posts going now. LOL
I find sometimes it's easy to be myself
sometimes I find it's better to be somebody else
Hahaha. What I want to know is where the “Schultz sucks” crowd is now.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Yea, I’m half curious to check CI just to see if he is mentioned.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The “Jeff Schultz” twitter page was active last night…why oh why do I feel like this guy is frequent CI commenter….?
by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably still complaining.
And asking the call-in show for free tickets.
by MisterBungle on Oct 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Locker’s “Larry Murphy” comment re #55 was gold.
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I must have missed that, but I get the gist of it.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It was after the assist on Bradley’s goal.
Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.
Ah thanks. I guess I just wasn’t paying attention. So how long until Schultz gets whooped?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Tuesday?
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Schultz for Norris Richard Trophy!
"I am... *grins* ... 'Nobody' "
- Odysseus
by war_capitals on Oct 23, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve always said Kovalchuk’s the most AO-like player in the League. More proof.
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by J.P. on Oct 23, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
He’s the stealh Ovechkin. Absolutely scary!
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering he’s second in goals to Ovi the past 4 years and the only player in the NHL riding a 5-season 40+ goal streak, I agree.
Kovalchuk is an awesome talent. I just hope that when if Atlanta has to trade him, they can put him over in the Western Conference
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 23, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you tell a wish, it won’t come tru.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Question about the term “slew foot”. I don’t think I’d even heard it until just a couple of years ago.
I know it has to do with a player from behind pushing the skate of the player in front of him so that the player loses his balance. However, it seems like the player that performs this move is instantly a villain. Why? Is the danger of injury that likely? It almost seems to get the hate that an unblocked linebacker gets coming up the middle untouched and for no reason at all leading the sack with a helmet to the knees of the QB. Sorry for the football reference, but that is the only thing I can think of this morning that seems to get the same kind of distain.
The reason I ask, is that on Tarik’s updated game recap, he says that Darren Dreger tweeted that Ovie’s trip was a slew foot and that it might not be worth a suspension, but should probably be a fine. Really? I didn’t even see a penalty there.
So, what is a slew foot? And is it that dangerous? If so, in what situations, and what kind of injury does it create? And finally, is that what #8 did last night?
It’s like slipping on a banana peel. Your feet go out from under you completely unexpectedly and there’s not much you can do to protect yourself. Probably a lot of concussion danger, since you can’t really prevent the back of your head from hitting the ice.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Yes, mondo bad things happen when you fall backwards with your feet in the air – major tailbone trauma, back of head slamming into ice, and potential hand and wrist injuries because you will nearly always try to brace yourself when you fall like that.
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Fair enough, but was that really what #8 did last night? (Kinda waiting on Peerless here since he mentioned it in his game recap as well.)
by HateOffSeason on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as I can tell, exactly ONE person called it a slew foot – ONE twitter guy (who is apparently much respected). As best as I can tell, the NHL on the Fly folks quoted his tweet verbatim on air. and of course it was RT all over the twitterverse.
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Kevin Weeks on NHL network called it a Slew-foot as well. And if you look at it from behind without seeing where the puck is, it kind of looks like a slew-foot. If you look at it from the end camera and can see the puck, it doesn’t look as bad in terms of what AO was doing.
The result was bad, and it could have been called a slew-foot. The referee, though, has the option, if he thinks it is a delibrate slew-foot to call a match penalty on the play. He only called it a 2 minute trip, so apparently he didn’t think it was an attempt to slew-foot.
Let's go Caps!
by MikeL-Pivonka on Oct 23, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was right on the edge. “Slew footing” is not a penalty in and of itself, it is called “tripping.” I thought he took out Peverley from behind. I’ve seen worse examples of it (Artyukhin’s comes to mind — Mat NIskanen did, in fact, injure his head on the play, which warranted the suspension), but it was a pretty nasty moment.
If you've read this far...seek help.
To me, a slew foot is when you lead with the foot, and you’re otherwise pretty much out of the way. The victim just falls backwards.
Ovechkin’s play was different — his chest was on the player’s right shoulder. He put his left hand on the player’s left shoulder and pulled backwards. In the process, his left skate took out the guy’s left leg. It was almost more a wrestling move/tackle than a simple slew foot. But there’s no question he used his foot to take out the guy’s skate. So it might technically be a slew foot.
The big difference is that Ovi was right there behind him, so I didn’t see it as particularly dangerous. That guy wasn’t going to fall on the ice without falling on Ovi. It was more of a good old fashioned hold, worth 2 minutes in the box (or 30 seconds as the case may be) but nothing more.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
You almost exactly describe a slew foot. It’s not just the kicking the feet out motion, though that is a huge part of it. A slew foot is accompanied by pressure from the front. So if you get your elbow or shoulder in front of the player, then bring your foot in from behind you basically use so much leverage that there is no way a player can keep their balance. I thought AO’s contact was mostly from the side (where is MS paint when I need it?) and that Peverly was already going down when his leg came forward, but after reading Yosh’s argument last night, and the accompanying video I’m not so sure. It’s not the most egregious slew foot ever (Youtube “Malkin” “slew foot”), but he needs to be much more careful about how he hits.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
It looked like an unintentional slew foot. Ovie bore down on Peverly from the front and because of his body position and momentum, his foot as in the air behind Peverly and ended up pushing forward against his feet. It looked like a in the heat of the moment rather than intentionally knocking the guy over while both guys were standing up straight.
Ovie will catch more heat for a move like that than anyone else simply because he’s a polarizing character.
Also Slew Footing is a penalty according to the NHL website, it’s a match penalty: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26344
Learn something new every day. I bet that gets called roughly as often as “Roughing the snapper” in football. Though I did see that called once in the last month or so…
Yeah the NHL never calls it because the penalty is so harsh. Kinda defeats the purpose of the harsh penalty, IMO.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Yup. That’s maybe a better way to put it than what I wrote. For one thing, Ovi restrains it/ slows it down as soon as it’s starting to happen.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The more accurate football analogy is the Horse Collar. Big time threat of a head injury because you fall on the back of your skull. Artyukhin (why is he even in the league anymore?) slew footed Niskanen the other night and took him out for the game.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Horse collar would work as well, but I thought the biggest issue with that was knee injury as your foot gets trapped behind you as your and your tackler’s bodies keep moving forward, with your knee at a maximum stretch and strain.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 23, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
The slew foot is a head injury concern, not a knee injury concern. Both the horse collar and slew foot use opposing players’ leverage to literally slam the back of your head on the ground with little control or ability to stop it.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Sorry for not being clear, that last post about knee injury was referring to the horse collar as comparison, not the slew foot.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 23, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty sure the horse collar was at least as much concerned with head trauma as leg trauma.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I’m pretty sure the main concern is leg injuries, although I’m sure head injuries play into it somewhat.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s wikipedia and all, but this explains it pretty well.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol…well if you were going to take the easy way like that, I thought I should at least look up slew foot on wikipedia too. Nope, they got nothing.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 23, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, yea. I hesitated before linking to wiki, but it is a pretty good explanation. I personally have nothing against wikipedia, but some people do.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Tell “some people” to get over it. Always with a word of caution to verify sources, even my college professor’s tell us to go to wikipedia now.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea. I was a computer science major, and I had professors and TA’s pull up wikipedia in class to check something.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
knee trauma is more likely to end a season or career. In the NFL you usually see guys come back the next game from a head injury. It’s terrible policy, and a disgrace but it’s the way it happens.
I think the helmets in football and the turf make it easier to survive a fall backwards like that without serious head injury particularly from a fall where you’ve probably already been slowed by your knees.
most head injuries in football seem to come from helmet to helmet or whiplash type plays.
Also, I believe the horse collar tackle is legal inside of the tackle box whereas slew foot is never acceptable.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Horse collar is a great analogy. Ovi’s play last night was like a defender who catches someone in a horse collar or a face mask grip, but lets up as soon as he realizes what’s happening. The danger of the situation is defused because the defender lets up, but it should still be a penalty — just a minor one.
Ovi last night was like a 5 yard facemask, not a 15.
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Horse collar is a decent analogy with a few exceptions. Horse collar is not a penalty if the defender lets up. Only if the player is brought to the ground. Also, a horse collar tackle is only a penalty in certain parts of the field, i.e. in open field.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
My favorite questionable hit in hockey is The Fisherman. Lead with your stick through a guy’s legs when you check him.. he gets a painful stickblade up the ass when he goes down, and there’s no additional penalty on the play (though you’re a prick if you do it). Takes some skill.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
That one’s not so bad. The stick blade rarely hits square and if the guy moves at all you get a tripping PIM. That used to be textbook D but now it doesn’t work (just ask Brian McCabe).
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It takes an artist.
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My favorite is when you have a guy’s back to the boards and you slide your stick behind both legs. You put your hand in the middle of their chest and pull your stick like it’s pinned behind their legs. The leverage of their stick pulls their legs out and they fall right on their ass. If you are in a particularly dickish mood you can maintain pressure on the chest and as they fall they knock the back of their head on the dasher board. Almost impossible for a ref to notice; especially the quality of ref that you encounter through most of youth hockey and all of men’s league.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
haha, nice one.
About refs. At my game the other night, we had a ref come to our bench to let us know that he’s going to “let us slide” on the fact that one of our guys wasn’t wearing a currently HECC-certified helmet.. we knew it was going to be interesting after that.
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Refs in this area in general are abysmal. I played GMU club for one year and the ref threatened to make us forfeit because we didn’t have numbers on the sleeves. First, that wasn’t a league rule; second, the other team didn’t even have matching jerseys, much less numbers on the sleeve; third, the ref is not allowed to make you forfeit unless the other team complains, which they didn’t.
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Fuckin’ Refs.
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Things I've heard refs say this season in my league
1. You’re in the box, so you’re no longer the captain.
2. I don’t have to explain that call because you didn’t skate over to the scorekeeper quick enough.
I swear I’ve given up with refs. Never win.
I disagree with your interpretation of NFL rules. The horse collar is illegal everywhere, open field or not. If it was legal anywhere Roy Williams would still be a good player.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I’m pretty sure a horse collar tackle committed inside the tackle box is not penalized. I remember it happening in multiple games and the announcers clarified the rule. Perhaps my memory is rusty.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of
the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This
does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket.
Straight out of the rulebook.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops, the beginning of that quote should include “All players are prohibited from:”
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Better watch out for all the hooks and bobbers.
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Don’t mitigate my smackdown of F&B with your jokes ;)
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin will be fined, not suspended, for the play, according to Colin Campbell
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 23, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He has a point in the last four games straight, so in terms of scoring production, he hasn’t been bad at all. You could make an argument for his D-zone play perhaps.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mike is playing with one eye on the Olympics. He knows that everyone questions his defense so he’s making a conscious effort to be more responsible in his own end. The result is more caution when he’s rushing the puck. Personally, I want the old Mike Green back, warts and all.
Fire up the deep fryer… we want last year’s 52 back!
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by J.P. on Oct 23, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was at that event. Good times except for Green’s scarf.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably correct.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
But if his parents are any indication, he’ll make up for it by having great perspective and generally being a great guy.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
From a physical/health perspective, I’d be most concerned about his mom’s massive heart attack. There’s lots of general health matters involved, but genetics are part of it. At 24, you don’t generally think about those things, but I’ll bet between that and his weight problem last year, he’ll be paying attention going forward.
Mike, just be yourself, man. Let your inner Gangsta run free. Play your own game, your way. That’s how you’ll get to the ’Lympics.
IS PAЯTY NOW
In terms of his D play, yes. You can’t knock a point per game even if they are assists though.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No. I’m not sure what it is, but he’s much more “hesitant” this year than I’ve ever seen him. WAY TOO MANY “pump fakes” on shots that I had grown accustomed to watching him just shoot into the net.
by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 23, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
From TJ’s game recap:
Ovechkin’s stats: 1 goal, 2 assists, +3… Oh, wait, these are Schultzie’s.
IS PAЯTY NOW
Nice.
I thought about shutting the blog down for today so we could all celebrate Jeff Schultz Day.
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Fight, you time-wasting figure skaters!
by boutros23 on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Big ears, big…helmet.
"Camaraderie, that's what the Washington Capitals are all about."
by CapitalCentre on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Fastest green comment ever?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Feels like a dirty Charlie Brown movie with the Schultz pr0n in here.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t Jeff Schultz Day be on the 55th of the month?
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Or Febtober?
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Via Peereless:
Schultz for Norris!
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by J.P. on Oct 23, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
But doesn’t Schultz skate on Green’s line (or with AO)? That’s why his +/- is so high.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
+/- is a shitty stat anyway
Required response.
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I’d think that Varly’s assist last night should help his +/-
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe B said that it was Varlamov’s first career assist. The scorekeepers must have missed his assists to Drury in the playoffs and Richards for his hattrick goal.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 23, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would hope that the Rangers logged them in the season-ending stats b/c that series may have been a game or two shorter otherwise.
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear I say him take another shot last night. I guess it wasn’t scored as such.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I swear Isaysaw him take another shot last night. I guess it wasn’t scored as such.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfrozen Caveman Hockey Player?
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
RIP Phil.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
He definitely took a shot that led to the Bradley goal, but it never made it to the net as it hit someone on the way.
That’s probably what I was thinking of.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand that the FBI is investigating simultaneous explosions of people’s head throughout the Washington DC area. The only common thread they can come up with is that on the apartment walls of the victims, the phrase “55 Sucks” was written repeatedly. The FBI investigators are trying to determine if there is a link between the spontaneous explosions and the mysterious phrase. One theory is that the victims were members of some sort of satanic cult. Terrorism has been ruled out because the wounds seem to be self-inflicted.
by b.orr4 on Oct 23, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Not to stray from the only positive Schultz talk we'll have this season...
But assuming a spot can be found for Nylander overseas, what will be done with that extra money? Will the Caps try to find a secondary scorer? Or will the extra money be used to upgrade the defense? If they go the defense route, will it be through trade or an internal solution such as Alzner or Carlson? Also, sorry if this has been discussed before, it has just been on my mind and I was curious to what others thought about the situation.
by JimCareyFanClub on Oct 23, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions
Not to stray from the only positive Schultz talk we’ll have this season…
But assuming a spot can be found for Nylander overseas, what will be done with that extra money?
My guess is that the plan right now is to hold on to the space until the trade deadline. It’s going to be hard to anticipate the team’s needs in February/March (and beyond) for a while, so I think the team takes a wait-and-see approach.
Coming into the season, I’d say that if they shipped Nylander out, one or both of Juice and ShaMo would be traded and they would bring in one of the 20 best defensive defensemen in the league.
Now I’m not so sure. Juice and ShaMo have been reasonably good, and the forward depth has not. Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them stand pat or bring in one of the 20 best defensive forwards in the league — someone to be the Caps’ Kris Draper.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know of a site that lists current free agents?
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Capgeek should fill that need for you.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I see a list for next year’s RFAs and FAs.. I need to know who’s available now.
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Ah, they must have updated it and removed it. Apologies.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing, jordanDC. Only thing I could think of was going to NHL numbers.
I’d be curious to see what quality player(s) the Caps could bring back via trades without giving up Alzner, Carlson, Neuvirth, etc. Are guys like Bouchard and Perrault held in high regard by other teams, and could they be potential centerpieces to a trade, or are the merely throw-ins?
by JimCareyFanClub on Oct 23, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
It depends what you’re looking for in return. A Bouchard or Perrault isn’t going to be the centerpiece of a blockbuster deal, but they’re the type of prospects that can net you something useful.
One could call them “secondary deal makers”.
When Hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there, too.
by Steck It Out on Oct 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
On the KHL and cutting players
The KHL seems to be able to cut players on a whim, much like the NFL. Now, if GMGM manages to loan Nylander to a KHL squad with at least a one year (hopefully two year) loan agreement, can that KHL club just cut him? What happens if they do, is his cap hit back on the books? And if they can’t cut him but don’t want him, can they just be a dick to him and make him want to leave? Somehow I don’t see that as beyond the KHL. What happens then? I don’t think the NHLPA can file a grievance against the KHL…
Considering the fact that IF this were to happen (and I’m not holding my breath) the Caps would still technically be paying his salary, I’m not sure why the KHL would WANT to cut him.
by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 23, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
There’s a limit on foreign players so if they find another guy they want more than Nyls they may want to get rid of him even if he’s free.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
My understanding is that once he clears waivers and joins another team, he’s gone. The issue right now is that the Caps can’t waive him because of the NMC (or he’d have been assigned to the minors long ago). If he permits the loan and clears waivers, he’s off the salary cap forever (as long as the Caps don’t bring him back)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, so the KHL team could cut him, then he’d be in total limbo. That would make for a weird situation.
Yup. Getting paid, but not playing hockey.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he insists that any deal with a KHL team contain a term to cover this contingency.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that anyone expects better from the WWL, but just for fun, I watched the video of their Thursday night roundup. Say what you want about Matthew Barnaby, but at least he knows who’s doing what on the ice. The idiot who was at the desk with him has no clue whatsoever. Can’t they use Buccigross or Cohn there? He called Kovalchuk Kovalev, and credited the Thrashers with the three goals in 88 seconds, not the Caps.
Gag me.
Totally awful, glad I missed that then. I thought I was hearing The Voices when they said Kovalev instead of Kovalchuk, apparently not…
"I am... *grins* ... 'Nobody' "
- Odysseus
by war_capitals on Oct 23, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Optimism abounding
From my perspective:
The boys are collecting a lot more dirty goals this year – that in my book is huge. And Noobs had another disallowed!
Let Varly play some more before you write the book on him – he’s learning the NHL game from many different teams, not like in the playoffs when each night brought the same players, systems. And he’s 4-0. Let him breathe. Sure, the shortie was bloody atrocious bit not the worst goal surrendered last night, right, Mr Pavelec?
Funniest line from the Game Day thread:
“what does a guy gotta to do get some PRIMARY SCORING around here?!?
the hoagster
Damn that made me laugh.
Could ask Mr. Osgood the same question.
by mechanicsville on Oct 23, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought funniest line from open game day thread was:
Schultz just scored from somewhere in Parking Lot B.
-jimmiebjr
by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda dead in here today. Frustrating because I’m bored as fuck.
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we’re bored together. But I have one hand immobilized, which makes typing interesting, if nothing else.
What’s with your hand?
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
wicked tendinitis in the tendon that connects my index finger to my hand. Its happened before, its a royal pain. Waiting on the MRI results to make sure I don’t have a tear.
Yow. Sounds incredibly frustrating.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You say you’re bored, huh? Well I just had this pop up on my CNN Rss feed. Perhaps it will help.
Ice skating bear kills Russian circus hand
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Russia has a long-standing tradition of training bears to perform tricks such as riding motorcycles, ice skating, and playing hockey.
That is my favorite quote from the article. Plus, it makes it somewhat relevant.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hershey should sign him.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Today's Inapplicable Hockey Comment from F&B
I was just in a Moot Court preparation class and we were critiquing someone’s oral argument. I said “She’s too cute; just get the puck in deep and forecheck.” A few chuckles followed, but mostly blank stares and crickets.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
Your analogy probably would have been the only part of the class I actually understood.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 23, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats the difference between a Moot court and one that is still applicable?
by Sct112 on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The question is moot!
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d only because I just opened up the mail and my Blu-ray review copy of Red Heat just arrived.
"It's an incredible place. Every seat feels like it's right on top of you. So can't we just make it official? Every big American soccer game should be played in RFK. We need the home-field advantage. Done and done."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 23, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In a Moot Court the judges get to be total power hungry assholes that don’t actually have to listen to your argument if they don’t like you because they won’t be reviewed. Thus “deference to the court” is the only important thing. In a real court it actually matters what you say, not just how you say it.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I think it’s actually called “Mute Court.”
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
In a Moot Court the judges get to be total power hungry assholes that don’t actually have to listen to your argument if they don’t like you
Trust me — that’s surprisingly good training for the real thing.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I was just going to say, “…and how exactly is that different from real judges?”
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Oct 23, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you think most cases settle? At some point, the parties usually decide “this is too important to leave it to a judge”
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha. I guess I’ll defer to the guys that actually practice, but our Moot Court Board had us listen to the oral argument one of our profs gave to the 7th Circuit and our prof was a complete dick. But he still won because he had the better legal argument so the judges couldn’t ignore him. His tone would straight up get you booted from a competition. One of the judges asked “why does that distinction matter?” and he responded “well it matters if you want to get it right, which I assume this court does.” Dripping with attitude. It was amazing.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
You’re better off in the 7th Circuit than with most of the district judges. Those appellate judges got nothing to do but listen. It’s not like the district judges, who actually have work to do.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 3 Dicks at the University of Chicago
Dick Posner, Dick Epstein, and Frank Easterbrook.
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
It took me a while to figure out why “Jeff Schultz” was commenting on an Atlanta-based publication, until I realized he wrote the article!…I guess he moonlights as a sportswriter!
Ilya Kovalchuk wants what Alex Ovechkin has. (But guess what? He can’t have it – he’s got Don Waddell as his general manager.) [AJC]
by PaintDrinkingPete on Oct 23, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
Not related to any of these links, but people should check out the Mike Richards link on the sidebar. If there’s anything I hate more than Team Canada (and Americans wearing Team Canada gear) it’s man-crushing on Mike Richards. I’m glad to see he’s a whiny bitch off the ice as well as on the ice. (Yeah, I’d love to have him in a Caps sweater, but he’s not, so I am free to hate him.)
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
why is it centers always draw the most ire? Richards is a bitch, but he’s Canada’s bitch, which, you know, makes a difference
from the house that Red Jesus built
I don’t think it has anything to do with his position. There are plenty of D-bag wings and defensemen in the history of the NHL. The Canada thing most certainly makes a difference. You think Mikko Rikardsson gets the same pass on his non-stop whining? You think Sergei Crobov gets the same pass? If the Staal brothers are the Staalmarsson brothers do you think they are God’s gift to hockey?
If consequences dictate the course of action, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate the course of action, then I should play God...
I missed this the other day when J.P. posted the link about Bondra’s son being draft eligible, but it looks like Mark Tinordi’s son might be in the same draft. (I’m not sure it’s actually Tinordi’s son, or if it’s just a guy with the same name.)
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Florida
|
51 | 24 | 16 | 11 | 59 |
|
Washington
|
52 | 27 | 21 | 4 | 58 |
|
Winnipeg
|
54 | 24 | 24 | 6 | 54 |
|
Tampa Bay
|
51 | 23 | 23 | 5 | 51 |
|
Carolina
|
54 | 20 | 25 | 9 | 49 |
(updated 2.7.2012 at 3:17 AM EST)
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