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You lost the Mike Vogel link

by Malin A on Oct 12, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Now, it’s impossible to read the Mike Vogel stories, without first signing in to the Caps discussion boards.

by CapsFan75 on Oct 12, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’ve been checking in on the “in lou we trust” guys for a while now. their caps game preview, including a look at how the devils plan to approach the SOB line, is an interesting read.

sorry to throw in a tangent so quickly after the links go up, but fantasy hockey ATOI questions for the fantasy hockey veterans out there:

1) “the disgrunted goats” and “don’t toews me sombrero” played a 6-4 game last week, where SG scored the win in ATOI despite an exact 20:35 tie. is there a common tiebreaker in this situation? (or for other tie scores?)

2) in general, the ATOI stat is confusing me. does the team ATOI sum all games for all players, and then divide by total ice time? in other words, if one player has 3 games in a week and another player has 2 games in a week, does the player with 3 games have his ATOI weighted more heavily? or is each player’s ATOI factored equally for the week, regardless of the number of games played?

i’m worried about sean avery’s current 4th-line status, and i’m wondering if he’s even worth playing at this point if it means a sure loss in the ATOI category.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 12, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

This “Disgruntled Goats” manager was wondering the same thing…

Fight, you time-wasting figure skaters!

by boutros23 on Oct 12, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

ATOI a stat for fantasy hockey? That makes as much sense as PIMs.

I remember back in the day when I cheered loudly for Paul Coffey’s minor-major-misconduct-game misconduct. But I still didn’t like it.

Russian Machine Never Breaks

by macvechkin on Oct 12, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I find ATOI to be a pretty good proxy for quality. It ain’t perfect, but it’s better than some other measures. The best players get put out there the most.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a league that doesn’t have a stat for Points or Short handed Points and you get nothing for a PP assist I think ATOI makes no sense. If you want a proxy for quality you could use any of the stats I just suggested.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thinking was that ATOI is weighted by the number of games played, not evenly among all players. It makes way more sense to me that way, but I could be wrong.

And I thought at first that ATOI was a weird stat to have, but I do like that it gives some value to guys who are great players but don’t do the things that show up on the stat sheet (like shutdown defensemen).

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by Killer_Carlson on Oct 12, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s gotta be based on total games. Isn’t that what the word “average” means?

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me to be (total time played by your players) / (total number of games played by your players). It’s not (sum of ATOI numbers for each of your players) / (number of players) — that’d be dumb.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

(not that I’d put it past ESPN — especially after seeing their auto draft lists)

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m totally with you. ESPN had Glen Wesley available to be drafted! Glen. Wesley. 2009-10 Fantasy Draft.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thing Braden Holtby’s been solid so far. Yeah, they lost last night, but I was not impressed with Cash the one time I watched him play.

For this game, I’d really prefer to switch Knuble and Semin, but that’s just my opinion.

Sadly, I will not be at the game tonight – something came up in the last week and I’m going to have to sit this one out. Come on boys, bring down the house for us.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh trust me, that’s not just your opinion…

by sonia on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So to continue Peerless’ article, the Brooks Laich 21-game plan includes tickets that are in a bakery?

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

coordinated somehow with laughlin’s biscuit in the basket promotion? heller’s bakery should be all over this.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 12, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does that mean that tonight’s game should be an episode of Hell’s Kitchen?

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would certainly beat the Jose Theodore 60-game plan (you only show up for 15 or so games).

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don’t know, I didn’t think he was that horrible Saturday night.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Um,

Though I guess I should avoid deadpan stuff before coffee (hasn’t been the first time).

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was about to add agreement to sparkly’s comment, so I guess it was a snark fail. And I’ve had my coffee this morning, too. Oh well.

Love the picture, though.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 12, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, man, missed that one. (Also cannot see the photo, seems to be blocked.)

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought it was funny.

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

In between that and last week’s Ducks article that Mirtle posted I could do these for awhile, if I wasn’t supposted to be working.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, don’t let that stop you. I usually don’t.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Koivu Roll (exposed to radiation)….

Good one.

There’s a Patrick Thoresen joke in there somewhere…

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

like here?

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by macvechkin on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a snark fail at all, BP. best zinger in weeks. peeps, let’s assume humor first. it’s always the same commenters that don’t pick up on the snark.

by Natty Bumppo on Oct 12, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not true. I am always looking for the snark. Problem on this one is that it is expected that people will be down on Theo, even though he doesn’t deserve it at the moment.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 12, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Will Brooks eventually be an announcer for the Caps when he retires as a player? LOL Or will that job go to Ovi?

by CapsFan75 on Oct 12, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Matt Bradley would be a great color guy.

"And next year it will be ours."

by Ovechwin on Oct 12, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regarding the sellouts — on the way to the game on Thursday, I made a crack that if they’re only a few hundred tickets shy (which was the vibe I was getting), Ted (and/or his partners) should just fork out the money and buy them up. It wouldn’t be that much for him, and the PR from 41 sellouts would be worth it. I say that’s what happened.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 12, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Isn’t it ironic that Ted is always telling everyone to cool it when they talk about how great the Caps are and then he’s out there all summer bragging about how the team will sell out every game when that clearly isn’t going to be the case. There was no way the Rangers game was sold out. Huge blocks of seats were empty, yet there it was in the boxscore as a sellout. It seems pretty obvious that regardless of whether all the tickets are gone, you’re never going to see the Caps admit that any game is less than a sellout this season because it would be too big of a PR hit to say otherwise. I hate to say it, but it’s very Snyderish the way they’ve handled this sellout issue. God, I feel dirty for just putting Danny boy and the Caps in the same sentence.

by b.orr4 on Oct 12, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember that the 200’s are pretty much always going to look sparse. I agree that the Rangers game looked a little light on attendance. It did seem to pick up along the way, and we were late getting there due to traffic (grrrr!).

Money is what makes the statistics, and what matters is that the tickets were sold, not that the bums were actually in the seats.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I know the 200s don’t count since they’re owned by WS&E and not the Caps. And no doubt paid attendance is what counts not actual fannies in the seats. Still, when they’re selling tickets the morning of the game, as JP noted, and there are huge blocks of seats unoccupied during the entire game, that tells me something fishy is going on. It really doesn’t matter much to me, but I do find it funny that the guy who’s always lecturing us on prematurely raising expectations is doing it himself.

by b.orr4 on Oct 12, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to volunteer to be a seat-filler for the 200 level. It’s a tough job, but I’m willing to make the sacrifice in order to keep up appearances at the Phone Booth.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be glad to sit right next to you.

So.. when is J.P. starting the “200-Block-Free-Ticket-athon” – tonight?

by TFG on Oct 12, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

i'd be in

kinda sucks that half of the games are “white” and/or “blue” games so the upper deck seats are like 50-65 bucks minimum. that keeps me from going to the majority of the games. bring back the eagle’s nest

by twistedlogic on Oct 12, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, the Eagle’s Nest was great. Especially since you could sit anywhere you wanted in the upper level.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was supposed to be for those top two rows

but the upper deck ALWAYS had open seats anyways so i’d just move down. best promotion ever was the 4th row seat i got for 6 chex cereal box tops. caught me a puck that night.

by twistedlogic on Oct 12, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

at the end of the 2005-2006 season, they were so desperate to get butts in seats there was an offer for lower bowl center seats for $35! Even my poor grad student self could afford that.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing can beat the O’s promotion for $1 tickets. That’s a ticket to a major league (in theory, anyway) ball game for the price of a McChicken.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m still mad at myself for not taking advantage of that. But Baltimore is such a hassle to get to……

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, that’s what I meant. Buy the cheapest available ticket; sit anywhere you want in the upper level. Did that many a time.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep – I was there too and those seats look really empty – not 2006 empty but more like.. mid 2008/09 empty. I’m not a STH, so naturally I missed the home opener, but I imagine it was a huge dropoff. The upper bowl seemed fairly full to me, but the lower levels were lacking in numerous sections. Maybe they should turn the lights off down there too. :P

Its always bothered me that the place doesn’t start filling up until 7:30ish+, and whether that’s just a product of a packed town, busy residents, lack of parking, a crowded slow paced aging metro system, or just a spread out fanbase, I’m not sure.

Would it help if games were delayed until 7:30? I’d like to at least give it a try. I know that if I leave work as early as possible (5) and head straight to the game and experience no metro delays (doesn’t happen often), I’m lucky to catch warm-ups. On the other hand, I’m often not home until 11pm, and I’m not sure many if any want to push that back half an hour.

by TFG on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

err, i meant mid 2007-08 empty.

by TFG on Oct 12, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

7:00 starts are brutal for families. If you work in the city, then you have to get back out to the burbs, round up the kids, get back into the city…pain in the ass. And god forbid there be a metro malfunction.

When I lived at the end of the red line but worked downtown, I’d be one of those people showing up to games in work clothes with a Caps jersey thrown over top. There was just no way to be sure that I could get home and back by a 7 pm start. (life is so much better living in the city! I actually get to go home and eat dinner before games)

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re lucky. I don’t think I’ve ever gone home, let alone eaten, before a week day game. And I live and work downtown!

"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin

by Scott in Shaw on Oct 12, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll admit, I have a cushy union job where we get to leave at 5! that helps immensely.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s a little of all of what you named. The Red Line is routinely delayed, and it’s gotten worse since the June accident. I come from Baltimore, and I’m not the only one to do so – if I leave work at 4, run by my apartment long enough to feed my cats and grab my jersey, and head down on the Green Line, I’ll be just in time for warmups. Like you, I’m usually not home until 11 PM and sometimes it’s 11:30.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the reported vs. actual is prevalent through all owners of all major sports franchises, the only difference here is maybe the PR run about the porverbial hot ticket.

Besides, it’s not like he’s screwing people on every possible opportunity for incremental revenue.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

one of the issues is there are several large blocks of seats owned by ticket brokers. So, the seats are “sold” but they go empty except for weekend and extremely high profile games.

Add in that it seems like half of washington left town after work on Thursday, and you get an empty arena.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Isn’t that similar to the big controversy the Redskins had this summer about selling big chunks of tickets to brokers instead of directly to the public?

by b.orr4 on Oct 12, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was only part of the huge controversy with the skins. The seats at the VC have been owner by the brokers for several years now, so I don’t think the Caps have can kick them out as long as they pay their bills, since current seat holder have first dibs on renewal each year. I don’t think the Caps were letting brokers skip to the front of the ticket line like the Skins were.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhat related, I think I just got the worst Ticketmaster security check ever:

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it’s for tonight’s game, maybe Jon Bon Jovi will be in the house.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lulz.

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by EmilyB on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm, I don’t see anything after the colon. Browser fail?

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

When encountering JBJ or R. Gere, the colon is usually all gerbils see.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see it now. Thanks.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lemmiwinks?

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t that the password to the Sean Avery members only site?

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ovechkin and Crosby Peaking

The article about Sid and Ovechkin peaking is absurd. Crosby had 120 points in his second season, and injuries have hampered his production in the past two. I swear Ovechkin increases his shot totals with each passing game, and a 70 goal season is not out of the question for him. Of course they aren’t going to reach the 140-150 point range, because the NHL just isn’t like that.

Just because they won’t top 150 points doesn’t mean they’ve peaked. One of Crosby’s flaws was his faceoff ability. Now, it has improved every year to the point where he is winning 65% of his faceoffs this season. And his defensive game has improved drastically. Ovechkin’s passing ability was not that great when he came into the league, and it has certainly improved drastically.

Points don’t tell the whole story when you are talking about players who are 22 and 24 years old peaking.

by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Costello is right. For the “generational” player, chances are he is going to have his best years (statistically) well before his 30th birthday. We said this not long ago…

The thing is, though, Gretzky’s last 50-plus goal scoring year came at age 28. Gordie Howe (second at 201 goals) never had a 50-goal season, but his high mark of 49 was reached at age 24. Brett Hull (741 career goals) had 86 goals at age 26, but never topped 50 after getting 57 at age 29.

And what’s more, the elite of the elite, if they are going to win a Stanley Cup, start doing it sooner rather than later. Crsoby has his Cup. Ovechkin’s window is open, but it won’t be for long.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

…and yes, that’s a typo. Gordie Howe had 801 goals.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The major assumption in the article is that you can tell when a generational player peaks by looking at the stats. It’s an assumption I seriously question.

Gretzky’s 92-goal season came in ‘81-’82, at age 21, but they didn’t win the Cup until ‘83-84, and Gretzky himself was part of the reason they couldn’t put it together until then. I’d rather have that later Gretzky, even if it meant his stats weren’t at their absolute peak, because he was a better player.

Michael Jordan set the guards PPG record (37.09) in 86-87, at age 23, but didn’t win it all until 90-91. Again, I’d rather have that more mature Jordan if I had to choose even if the stats weren’t quite so amazaing, because he was a better player.

I think for some players, they are so good they can choose how they’re going to play. It takes a little adversity for them to focus away from the individual glory and to focus more on the team game (or maturity to help them understand where that division is).

We may very well have seen the best stats Ovechkin is ever going to put up. If it means he adjusts his game and becomes one of the best defensive forwards as well as one of the best on offense, that’s what it may take to bring a Cup to DC.

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly the formula Steve Yzerman parlayed into becoming a Stanley Cup winner and an icon in Red Wing and NHL history. I see pieces of that in Ovechkin (he already seems more defensively responsible this year than last), but it is a work in progress.

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by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s clear the point there is as much longevity as it is skill. If you use this model, Ovechkin still has several years at that production, and if he drops to goals in the 40s after that, everyone will be disappointed, but it won’t be anything to sneeze at. Probably more of concern is how his body holds up with the punishment he gives every night. He seems unbreakable now, but at some point, he’s going to slow down, however slightly that may be.

by gfcaps fan on Oct 12, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ovi gave an interview this summer in Russia (no, not that interview) in which he was a little more introspective and basically noted that he couldn’t believe it had been five years already since joining the NHL and that time might not wait around for him.

Sorta reminded me of my own first true love, Dan Marino, who scorched the NFL for a hundred million TDs in his sophomore year but lost to Montana and the 49ers in SB XIX. Bad luck and bad defense (ahem) kept the Dolphins out of championship contention for the rest of his career. Later, he was asked about the Super Bowl and he said, “I always thought I’d be back.”

No situation is exactly equal, but it will be good for the Caps to knuckle down and grind out some Ws right about now.

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by EmilyB on Oct 12, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was a huge Marino fan when I was little. I think the difference was Marino never seemed to have the right players around him to get the job done. He either needed better receivers, a better running back, a better defense, etc. Many years, it was a one man show. Time will tell with Ovie, but I think he has the right pieces around him to get the job done.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I definitely agree with all of your comments.

If Ovechkin dips to 45-50 goal range, but his assists and defensive play improve, did he peak when he was 23?

If Crosby never hits the 130 point mark like everyone expected, but he becomes a dominant two-way center like Steve Yzerman, did he peak at 21?

I guess it doesn’t matter, as long as you bring home Stanley Cups.

by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you assume points = value then quite possibly that is the case, but I agree with G.O.D. (and you) that that formula is an over simplification.

by Sct112 on Oct 12, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll never know about Crosby because he’ll always play with Malkin (for the foreseeable future). Vice versa for Malkin.

Do they benefit from playing with each other, or are they both victims of splitting points, and therefore not reaching full potential?

by TFG on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t really say they benefit or are victims. They are only on the same line late in games where they are down by a goal or two, or when Bylsma feels the Pens need a spark. It’s hard to say what effect having the two of them on the same team has on their point totals. I’d say it’s a wash.

It’s sort of a similar situation with Backstrom. I think Backstrom is awesome, but the reason he is underrated is because he plays with Ovechkin.

by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

When they play on the same line, which of them goes on the wing?

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by EmilyB on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Malkin does, due to Sid being a better faceoff guy. Staal has been playing with Malkin more, and they are really meshing….

just a tip for my fellow fantasy nerds out there.

by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also think Malkin is a better sniper than Crosby so he’s naturally more suited to play W, even if he was equally adept at face-offs.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we may very well see AO get a 70+ goal season, simply because he was oh-so-close before, but I don’t ever expect to see another 160+ point season out of anyone, again, unless there is a year where every team suffers defensive breakdowns/injuries and goalie equipment shrinks to absurd proportions. The field has gotten too good for those kind of numbers to happen, again, IMO. I don’t think it’s anything on Malkin/Crosby/AO/Backstrom (whom I’d say probably has the best shot of hitting 150 of the group, due to teammates and his own improving scoring ability), it’s everything on the level of competition existant in this NHL as opposed to mid-70s to mid-90s.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Backstrom becomes a better goal-scorer, than Ovechkin has a better chance at 70 goals, because opposing defenses will have to key in on both of them.

On an unrelated note, someday Backstrom, Green, Semin, and Ovechkin could all eat up $30m+ of the salary cap. Who do you get rid of if that number is crippling the team?

by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even today, if the Care Bears are playing well, Ovechkin has an excellent chance at 82 (still on pace for such, after all). I think AO will have a better chance at 150+ if Backs starts hitting 30-40 goal years, I don’t necessarily think his goal totals will be affected, though – as in, I don’t believe for a second that teams are actually going to single-cover him, even if Backs/Semin are tearing it up.

by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Semin. No question. Sorry Sasha.

by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Semin but it depends on how Green progresses through the rest of this contract and how Alzner/Carlson/Schultz/Orlov develop behind Green.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta love the media outlets who say he can’t hit 70, knowing full well he’s hit 65 in the past, capable of 4 in one game, will probably hit 5 in a game sometime in the future.

by TFG on Oct 12, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hoo-fraking-ray: From Corey:

Forward lines look the same this morning as they were in Detroit.
Defense pairings (Morrisonn-Green, Poti-Jurcina, Erskine-Pothier, Schultz-Sloan) are the same.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Gentlemen, keep your heads up and your sticks…down.

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by EmilyB on Oct 12, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jose in net, too.

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

“But it doesn’t really matter who starts. It’s not like we’re going to run with one goalie for 80 games. Whoever it is, the first two [goalies], will play very even over the first 30 or 40 games.” Link

After tonight (assuming Jose makes it through 60 minutes), it’ll be 267:94 in minutes played. I’d have thought NJD would’ve been the right game to put Varly back in for…

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, putting him in against the Sharks could be setting him up for failure.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heatley = 5 goals, 5 assists so far.

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by EmilyB on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pshhh, only because he’s playing with Thornton…

(that was a play on the reverse argument for Backstrom playing with Ovie, fyi)

by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto on having Varly playing tonight. I’m sure Bruce feels the team needs a win more than anything else and Theo’s the best one to get it. Still, if he doesn’t have confidence in Varly against an offensively challenged team like the Devils, who will he feel comfortable putting him out against. Maybe Nashville?

by b.orr4 on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Probably Nashville, yeah.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be, what, three starts in a row for Theo? Not really keeping it even, I’d say.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but do you want Varly playing the Sharks?

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really, which is why he should start tonight.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

When BB said he’d keep it even I don’t think he envisioned Varlamov’s bed-shitting in PHI.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be that he is just looking to settle things down a bit. Throw the same guys out there for 3 games in a row and see what happens.

by Sct112 on Oct 12, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t BB come out with something along the lines of, “They’re going to split the starts until they show me who should be the #1 guy”?

Maybe Varly has made that decision with poor play? (side note: my “P” key is gone all wonky and I really have to mash on it to get it to register, any computer guys out there got a suggested fix?)

Anyway, I’m beginning to take BB’s public (that damned “p” is driving me nuts) ronouncements with a grain of salt…

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pop the key off and clean beneath it, then reattach.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anytime.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep:

“Whoever it is, the first two [goalies], will play very even over the first 30 or 40 games. And then somebody is going to take over like two years ago, after the trade when [Cristobal] Huet and Olie [Kolzig] were here and Huet took over.”

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So we’re waiting for somebody to lay a 5-0 egg.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah. 30 or 40 games…well, so much for that.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s too early to say the preseason plan’s been ditched. Theo played very well on Saturday night, so he’s rewarded with another start. If Varly plays well when he gets back in there, I’d hope he’s given the same kind of reward.
I sure hope this is what’s going on, as opposed to our head coach getting jumpy and reactionary very early in the season.

by mechanicsville on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I also recall BB saying something to the effect that he was emphatically NOT going to “ride the hot hand” or something of that nature.

What you propose is, essentially, riding the hot hand. Not that I think you’re wrong. In fact, I suspect you’re right.

I’m just surprised to see “the plan”, as elucidated prior to the season, has been junked so quickly.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree. I’m hoping that BB isn’t as nervous as some of his early-season decsions indicate. (My mantra the past week…“It’s early”)

by mechanicsville on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Three straight losses will do that to “plans”.

by b.orr4 on Oct 12, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I guess the brief line shake-up in Detroit was just a fluke?

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Most likely a punishment for Semin’s stick carelessness, I’d say.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

There was a line shake-up? Didn’t notice.

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was the start of the third. Semin was replaced by BMo on the PP unit and skated on the second line. Ovie, Backstrom, and Knuble were in together for a brief moment. After that, everything was back to normal.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, you missed it. /snark

"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."

by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, my mistake. Should’a known.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

This sudo holiday must be messing with everyone.

by Sct112 on Oct 12, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you play fantasy, don’t forget to set your rosters before the early-ass games this afternoon.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

there’s an early game today? Awesome! (stuck at home and booooooored)

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Man-Who-Accidentally-Stumbled-Upon-A-Continent-That-Was-Already-Populated-By-People-For-Hundreds-Of-Years Day?

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t sleep on the Vikings, either.

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it off, so I’m not really sure what you are talking about.

I’m sitting in a near empty office building on 7th waiting for 5 to roll around so I can head to Clyde’s before the game.

A reminder for those that care, the Yellow and Green lines are shutdown today at Gallery Place, I wouldn’t depend on Metro to get you here in time for the game if you are coming from SE or Alexandria.

by Sct112 on Oct 12, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

the yellow line has been re-routed to following the blue line past the Pentagon and ending at Stadium-Armory, so coming from Alexandria isn’t too bad. Its us just green liners who are really screwed.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you come in from Greenbelt / College Park, transfer at Fort Totten to the red line and get off at Judiciary Square. If you come out on the Law enforcement Memorial side, it puts you in sight of the Verizon Center.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately, I’m Navy Yard. I’ll be busing it up to the VC tonight.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, yikes.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t get it off either, which is why I’m awake and commenting.

"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"

by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

third period. swapped Semin for Knuble.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

…the scratches will be Jeff Schultz…

I just don’t get it…

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Schultz isn’t on the short list to be traded?

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any way that Schultz is on the trade list (at least I hope not). But it still baffles me that Erskine’s playing ahead of him.

by mechanicsville on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. Only reason I can think of is a possible need for a glove-dropper.

Never lie, steal, cheat, or drink. But, if you must lie, lie in the arms of the one you love. If you must steal, steal away from bad company. If you must cheat, cheat death. If you must drink, drink in the moments that take your breath away.

by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

[Scott Hartnell joke]

Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.

by jordanDC on Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

And I just c ontinue to agree that this is a good reason for playing time. Erskine just doesn’t rank any higher than 7 on the list of guys on our blue line right now. And, despite a few glaring errors by 89 on Saturday, I’d rather see him out there.

by mechanicsville on Oct 12, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schultz isn’t on the short list to be traded?

At his age, productivity, position, and price, I think he’s an asset the team wants to hang on to.

by David Getz on Oct 12, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope!

Once they’re down to 7 D, then we’ll know how much the org values his contributions…if they’re dressing Erskine every night and sitting 55, I’m going to be a-n-n-o-y-e-d.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand the hypothesis that the Caps are showcasing D in the hopes of a trade, but at what point do you start playing for points/the standings?

by Yoshietree on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regular season means Richard.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as you make the playoffs.

by Sct112 on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me January is too late. I’m not saying the apocalypse is upon us, but it’d sure be nice to see some stability with the D pairings….which IMO are infinitely more important than the forward line combos. I understand that the regular season doesn’t mean much anymore, but for Schultz to have played in half the games as Erskine/Sloan is inexcusable…

by Yoshietree on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Young players gotta play. How’s Schultz supposed to develop if he doesn’t get into any games?

Free Jeff Schultz!

Atta dinnin stick a who!

by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to photoshop his Scarlett Ice pic behind bars.

And “Free Jeff Schultz” works for everyone – the Schultz lobby want him freed, the anti-Schultz lobby figures that to be a reasonable asking price for his services.

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Law-and-Order Lobby wants him locked up.

If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.

by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would be honored to be on that exclusive VIP list of goalies off to a bad start!
On a side note, I wish more hockey players were more like Mike Knuble.

"My face is my mask."

by Jake Shapiro on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Per Tarik:

Boudreau said he’s talked to minor penalty repeat offenders: "I just hope it doesn’t happen again."

Oh, cool. Hope. I feel better now.

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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That’s inspirational, that is.

No consequences (and a “talking-to” falls squarely into the definition of no consequences, in my books) = no change.

"You're gonna eat that g**d**n Koho, three!"

by fat_daddyo on Oct 12, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know de Caps’ problems… dey are too SOFF!!!

Signed,
Michel T.

If you've read this far...seek help.

by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Joe B. will be on NHL live (or whatever its called) in a couple of minutes, if you’re home today.

by RedBirdie on Oct 12, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Off topic, sort of, but I think this the best place for it. The ticket exchange doesn’t seem like the right place.

I have two tickets to the season ticket holder party. We’ve decided that it just doesn’t seem worth the schlep to Six Flags. I’m totally not into roller coasters, and Kettler is way closer to my home than Six Flags, if all I’m going for is autographs. So, either someone convince me by tomorrow that there’s a good reason for me to go, or the tickets might be yours if you can get to Tysons Corner to pick them up.

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