Capital Ups and Downs: Week 2
Our weekly look at individual Washington Capitals' ups and downs:
| Goalies | Trend | Notes |
| Jose Theodore | - | After three games, a .902 save percentage and 2.90 GAA is probably about what we'd have expected, and he's looked good at times, but those two third-period softies in the Rangers game sting. |
| Semyon Varlamov | ▼ | Off to a tough start, with questions about both his glove and head. |
| Defensemen | ||
| John Erskine | ▼ | Wore the hard hat after game one and was terrible in Philly. If it wasn't for his willingness to drop the gloves, he wouldn't be here. |
| Mike Green | ▼ | Having trouble getting shots on net and taking too many penalties. |
| Milan Jurcina | ▲ | Did you know that Juice is tied for the team lead in plus-minus? More importantly, do the League's other 29 general managers? |
| Shaone Morrisonn | ▲ | Blocking shots, hitting, not committing penalties and playing with a bit of snarl... so far, so good. |
| Brian Pothier | - | Nice to have another guy back there who can make an outlet pass or skate the puck. |
| Tom Poti | ▼ | Bad in Philly and not much better elsewhere so far. Also, only two shots on goal through five games. |
| Jeff Schultz | - | Having trouble getting games and minutes. Has he lost the coach's confidence or is he sitting while trade bait gets showcased? |
| Tyler Sloan | - | Defenseman? Forward? Waiver fodder? |
| Forwards | ||
| Nicklas Backstrom | ▲ | Could Backstrom become just the fourth player in history to hit the 100-assist mark in a season? |
| Matt Bradley | ▲ | Three points and a plus-three rating through five games is all you can ask of the grinder. |
| Chris Clark | - | Skating well, but with just one point (a helper) and six shots on goal in five games, he's not showing up on the score sheet enough. |
| Eric Fehr | - | It's now or never, Fehrsie. |
| Tomas Fleischmann | - | It's a couple of weeks from now or never, Flash. |
| Boyd Gordon | ▼ | Winning 60% of his draws, but three penalties and a minus-two rating aren't what you'd like to see from your fourth-line center. |
| Boyd Kane | ▼ | D.C. was only big enough for one Boyd, apparently. Plus, Kane stunk. |
| Mike Knuble | - | Just one goal (and no assists) through five games, but he's been better than that would indicate. |
| Brooks Laich | ▲ | Skating on the top PP unit with Ovechkin, Backstrom, Green and Semin. Jackpot! |
| Quintin Laing | ▼ | If Laing has no points, a minus-two rating, and the team's penalty killing percentage is well under 80% effective, is he doing his job? |
| Brendan Morrison | ▲ | Three goals (on just six shots on goal) and a 57.4% mark in the faceoff circle make the early returns on this signing look fantastic. |
| Michael Nylander | - | Sigh. |
| Alex Ovechkin | ▲ | White-hot out of the gate, needs to establish a consistent commitment to all aspects of the game... but then again, so does everyone on the team. |
| Alexander Semin | - | Called out by his coach after two bad penalties in the Detroit game, he's mixing jaw-dropping skill with maddening decision-making. Ladies and gentlemen, Alex Semin. |
| David Steckel | ▼ | The good? 63.1% in the dot. The bad? Team-worst minus-4 rating and no points. Maybe he's not a third-line center after all. |
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I might have put an up arrow on Pothier. He’s looked great from what I’ve seen thus far, though to be fair, I’ve missed one game and had to settle for scratchy AM radio for another. Otherwise, looks right to me.
Four down arrows on the bottom six. Stupid salary cap!
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Hard to give an up arrow to a guy with 0 goals, 1 assist, a -1 rating and 4 SOG in 4 games, imo, but he’s done some good things, to be sure.
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True, but...
Despite the -1 rating, I feel as if Pothier is making the case to be one of the defensemen that SHOULDN’T be scratched every couple of games. It looks as if Green doesn’t look comfortable jumping into the play and is concentrating more on his defense (not saying he’s doing a great job at it), which means Pothier may be the best puck moving d-man the Caps have outside of Green.
by JimCareyFanClub on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree. Maybe he doesn’t get a green arrow from me because I expected what I’ve gotten from him.
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Sorta like Nylander I suppose. We expected nothing and got nothing. No red or green arrow.
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
in Theo's defense....
on the plays leading to 5 of the goals allowed this year(3 vs Red Wings and 2 v. Flyers after he replaced Varly) he had 0 help or 0 chance to stop so that drags the save percentage down……………………….on the other hand, the 2 versus the Rags = sigh :(
I would like to see Knuble on the top power play line tonight. Got to get in Marty’s face…get Kruble going…
Who’s with me?
I think I’d rather see Laich, which doesn’t leave room for Knuble
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
While I do like Laich, I’d still like to see Knuble on the first PP unit regardless of what line Knuble is on at even strength.
In any case, the PP unit needs some tweaking at the moment. Most of the time, the first unit should be Ovi, Semin, Knuble, Backstrom, and Green, with some times using Laich instead of Semin or Poti or Pothier instead of Green.
Somebody on XM said that Laich is probably on PP1 because he’s a lefty and everyone else but Backstrom is a righty. Could make sense.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Agreed, but they were talking about Knuble vs. Laich specifically.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
I’d rather see Knubke replace #28 on the top line for the whole game. I mean, isn’t that why he was picked up?
by SethB on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Until Backstrom starts picking up his offensive zone face off percentage, you have to keep Laich out there to take the draws on the first unit. I suppose you could put Semin on the second unit and both Laich and Knuble of the first, but that doesn’t make much sense, although it might promote shorter shifts to get Semin on the ice.
by HateOffSeason on Oct 12, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t disagree with a lot of these…but some are just funny because we’re only 5 games in to the season. I understand the point – but let’s save the “absolute judgement” for a little later in the season (i.e. “Maybe he’s not a third-line center after all.”) Just my thought.
They’re only meant to be snapshots of the past week (in this case, a little more than a week), and I don’t think there’s much “absolute judgment” anywhere on the list. I don’t think it’s inappropriate to ask whether David Steckel is a good fit at 3C right now (whether or not there are better options is another question).
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I wouldn’t mind giving Brooksie a shot a 3C, moving Fehr up a line (Flash will probably play there when he returns), and moving Brads up a line. Steckel at 4C with Gordon on the wing. Bradley, Laich and Clark seems to me to be a pretty good shut down/energy line and it’s not as if Brooksie’s ES ice time is producing a lot of points.
I don’t think the benefit meets or exceeds cost in that scenario. Maybe Steckel could move to line four right now, but Bradley’s a stretch on line three; Steckel certainly has better offensive skills. Plus I’m not too keen on Laich as a center. He’s not a great playmaker but he is a great forchecking forward – much better utilized on the wing.
Actually, that is one thing I thought about when I saw Steckel’s down arrow, there: he’s not playing with Laich anymore. I think Laich made Stecks (and Brads, for that matter) a lot better. The Laich-Steckel-Bradley line was very good last year, and it seems apparent that Laich was what made it so good.
Or perhaps Stecks is still getting used to his bendy-finger.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody who plays on a line with Clark gets a pass from me. Stat killer.
I will say that Steck’s FO% would have been enough for me to keep him off the red side of the ledger.
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If anything, Stecks has seen LESS 5v5 time this year than last. He’s got to figure out his game regardless of whether Clark’s on his line or not.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Stex is better than he’s played. Need to leave him in there to work it out.
(I do not feel this way about Erskine)
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed on both counts.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been trying to come up with a parallel for Alexander Semin. A guy who has a lot of skill, who gets injured, and who often has curious decision-making traits.
I think I’ve found it… Gilbert Arenas.
And the Wizards aren’t ever going to be a winner as long as they employ Arenas. Will the Caps do better with Semin? I’d like to keep an open mind, but it’s starting to close (especially with a $6-plus million contract looming in the future).
If you've read this far...seek help.
I wonder how much of the Steckel, Gordon, and Clark problem is that they’re spending all their freaking time killing penalties?
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Well, Clark’s only gotten 31seconds of PK time so far, so no free pass there.
And as for Stecks and Gordo, Stecks is killing more per game than last year (4:16 to 3:48), but Gordo’s PK time is actually down (3:39 to 3:08… probably because he can’t kill penalties when he’s the one in the box). For Stecks, it could be the added pressure of being a 3C and being asked to do more at the offensive end than in the past.
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It may also be the performance in the playoffs has put more pressure on him? Who knows.
Let’s scratch Steckel and put Nylander there instead and see what happens. 0:D
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by gotsparkly on Oct 12, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see your point, but I think the major difference here is that Arenas has to be the guy for the Wizards for them to succeed, whereas Semin’s a complimentary player for the Caps. Semin might be more Clinton Portis – when he’s at his best, he opens up some space for the top guy (Campbell) to do his thing, and vice versa. The fit’s not perfect there, though, eight.
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Semin, as injury-prone as he is, has also never missed the vast majority of a season. Even when his thumb was completely worthless in the Penguins series and he could barely hold his stick, he was still out there grinding it out.
Semin, as injury-prone as he is, has also never missed the vast majority of a season.
While that is a true statement, he’s also only played in roughly 75% of the regular season games since joining the Caps.
Heh…a valid point. But it’s still not a fair comparison…Semin has never nor will ever be as valuable to the Caps as Arenas is to the Wizards. He will forever be playing second fiddle to OV.
/gets what I deserve for not reading the upper part of the conversation
At this point, Semin is our Malkin, or as close as we have to a Malkin. Without him no way the Caps can even hope to beat Detroit or Anaheim or Philadelphia.
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That is, unless they get a terrific replacement.
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely disagree. Semin makes us a better team but I have no doubt that we could lose Semin and still win a Cup. No matter how hard we wish it, Semin’s not at Malkin’s level right now.
AO/Backstrom and a group of tough two-way guys that battle could be plenty of offense to win a Cup if you combine it with Green/Alzner/Carlson/Schultz and of course one of the young goalies plays consistent hockey. D is far more important than depth on the wing.
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Backstrom’s our Malkin, or maybe Green. Semin’s the #4 young gun.
And that’s the difference with the Arenas situation. If Gilbert Arenas is your 4th best player, yeah, you damned well better win a championship (mainly because of the smaller NBA rosters).
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by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I’m not buying any real analogies between NBA and NHL. You can pay Arenas like that because when healthy he’ll play 80% of the game at least. An absolute stud skater is going to skate half the game, tops (and obviously this is only D). Roster dynamics in the NBA and NHL just are not similar enough to be applicable.
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At this point
This is the key.
I don’t think there’s any way the team can win a Cup without a reliable scorer or scoring from the second line. With the way the team is built (i.e. as a offensive team, not defensive strangling team) they need that game-breaker there, and that’s what Semin is. Semin is not a Malkin in terms of skill, but he is the reliable secondary scoring threat (when healthy, that is) that the team needs to succeed. Say the Caps meet DET in the finals. I’m sorry, but Lidstrom+Zetterberg are going to shut down Ovie. Same with Philadelphia in the EC playoffs, in which not only is there the Pronger pairing, but also Timmonen+Coburn.
Point is, the D and Gs right now are not showing me that the Caps can lose Semin and expect to contend for the Cup. Not without some major improvement.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
In some respects this is a decision not entirely unlike Boston’s with Phil Kessel. A game-breaking talent to be sure…but is this a player worth investing prime resources in long-term? It may come down to whether or not Semin will accept a bit of a hometown discount. If he’s not willing to do so then I think they either need to consider arbitration next summer as a temporary solution or explore their trade options.
The Caps don’t have the same sort of depth compared to the Bruins—or as many key players soon in need of extensions—but nonetheless it’s a question worth pondering. Doubly so when they’re already shelling out so many dollars on a franchise winger as it is.
by Langway on Oct 12, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Pay Savard $5m for a 2nd line center role? No thanks.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Savard’s performance aside, putting him there and letting Semin and his 35 goals on the wing walk, in an organization that doesn’t have any non-Ovechkin wingers who can step up and fill that role, is concerning.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The team is also lacking for centers not named Backstrom. Teams built up the middle (Pens/Wings) seem to have more success than wing heavy teams like the Caps. Maybe Savard isn’t the guy, but can Morrison fill the gap?
Yes. AnGus and Johansson will not be ready next season, unless either has some big breakout (even then, Johansson I’m thinking stays another year in Sweden). A. Gordon won’t fit there I don’t think, Perrault I don’t think is big enough to play those minutes,…in short, no #2C besides BMo for the time being. And Laich, but we like him at W.
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that, but AnGus isn’t even getting played in HER. I have my doubts about his 2C quality anywhere in the near-foreseeable future. I think we have to assume closer to 2-3 more years for AnGus at least. I’m excited to see what M.Johansson does this year, though.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s working well so far*. If you bring in say, Savard, you’ve spent whatever was going to be used for Semin. So now you’ve got to spend money on a second tier winger and hope they’re going to score 30 because they’re on Savard’s line.
*=Small sample size
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That said, I’d love for a frequently broken Fehr to be that cheap and healthy winger to fit the bill.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
feels like another Nylander situation to me. Savard’s been great the last couple of years but I worry it’s just a product of being in a perfect system for his skills and it just doesn’t translate to another team. I’d rather have a guy like Semin who’s produced every year rather than I guy who has been up and down.
He’s a hell of a passer, give him someone that can get to the net he’ll get his points. 5mil might be too much for a 2nd line C that isn’t named Malkin, but I can’t think of him as a Nylander.
He fucking hates Tom Poti, too.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I was just kidding. I know you’re not a Carlos Mencia.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you guys are really over-estimating what $5m gets you nowadays.
If you could get Marc Savard at $5m, which would never happen, you would have to jump at that opportunity. Lupul, J Staal, Antropov, and many other players who struggle for 60 points each year make at least $4m. Pominville makes $5m. Daymond Langkow makes $4.5. You get the picture.
With the numbers Semin puts up, he will get anywhere from $6.5-7.5 per year. If he stays healthy.
Unless he takes a pay-cut to stay with his best friend, which could happen. I know people will go out of the woodwork to shoot that down, but I think it’s plenty viable.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Semin won’t stay healthy, and he won’t make 6.5 on his next contract in all likelihood. The Caps definitely won’t give that to him and I doubt he gets that deal as an RFA offer. His only shot at that deal is a situation like Kessel’s.
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I personally think we should try as hard as we possibly can to retain Semin. I feel as though Semin is the type of guy who doesn’t care that much about money. He just wants to play where he is happy. I think this was demonstrated a couple of years back when we had to sue to get him to come back from Russia. He kinda does what he wants (for better or worse). He is happy in DC with Ovechkin and his band of Russians.
Now if only there was a way we could magically free up $5 million in cap space to make room for that contract…
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
Now if only there was a way we could magically free up $5 million in cap space to make room for that contract…
Demote Nylander when his no movement clause expires next year.
Or buy his last year out if you’re particularly strapped. Either way I refuse to acknowledge any cap going down talk. Players will give 50% escrow before allowing a cap decline.
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Semin already makes $5 million. Are you suggesting he’ll be making $10 million/season?
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Semin and Backis now = ~ $7M
Semin and Backs 2010 =~ $14M
I think that’s the only point.
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i think it’ll be closer to $11M, personally. I think Semin only gets that raise if he manages to stay healthy all year and bring home a trophy.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Upon further reflection, I think I agree, but I see that putting Semin at $5M and Backis at $7M.
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I had Semin at 5 and Backs at 6. I see Backs signing a long-term, $30-40M deal with us this year, I just don’t see it at more than 6 a year.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I can objectively say any more. Man-crush out of control.
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Backstrom 7 Semin 5 sounds right to me. After all, you’re probably not getting 82 games, 110 points, low PIM and low maintenance from 28.
And if we do, our number shoots to about 14M for the two of ’em :-).
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Backstrom at 7? I mean the guy is talented, injury free, and consistent, but I think he’ll sign cheaper (6ish) with a home team discount, combined with the ‘first real contract’ thing.
Plus there’s the always “playing with Ovie” deal. Of course it’s mutually beneficial (19 and 8), but no question 19’s stats wouldn’t be as good playing with, say, Flash and Fehr.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah. I should’ve figured, but “contract” was in singular.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m simply suggesting that since we signed him to that 5 mil deal he has (at least in my eyes) improved significantly. I was suggesting a more modest raise, but since we have like 35 cents of cap room we would still need to free up a bunch of space.
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
buying him out is not smart, because that money counts against the cap for two years. Way smarter, from a business standpoint, to send him to Hershey, because then he doesn’t count against the cap at all.
Read this post and find out why that buying him out is viable. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but you certainly cannot say it is not smart.
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but why “waste” the money on a buyout, when he can be stashed in Hershey next season for a $0 cap hit?
I see what you are saying, but you are paying him his full $3M if he is in Hershey, versus $2M over two years. I suppose it depends on just how strapped vs. the cap we are.
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I guess then its up to Ted if he wants to pay $3 million for a Hershey player and no cap hit, vs. $1 million a year for a guy to sit in a sauna in Sweden and have it count against the cap for 2 years.
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by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I off in thinking that if Nylander is still here and gets waived to Hershey, he doesn’t report and gets suspended? That would get him off the cap anyway, wouldn’t it?
If he gets assigned to HER he’s off the cap regardless; the only implication of whether he reports is that Ted pays him if he reports but not if he doesn’t.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
In recent years, Ted has consistently shown willingness to spend whatever it takes to win (shown by us basically having 3 mm of cap room). I don’t think he’s gonna refrain from opening up that room just so save himself $3 million.
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
I feel as though Semin is the type of guy who doesn’t care that much about money.



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by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Disagree to some degree on Juice. Sure, he’s doing well on 5v5, but his PK time has more than tripled from last year, and his QUALCOMP is on the other side of the pendulum too (requisite sample size for this year, etc.).
Agree on Stecks.
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What point are you trying to make on Juice’s PK? He’s third on the team in PK TOI/60, has a high QualComp and a low QualTeam while managing to maintain a pretty high relative +/- (Link). That tells me he’s more than pulling his own weight on the PK.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m familiar with BTN, and I’m also familiar enough with it to know that he’s seeing considerably more time on it this year than last. I also know that +/- is with the lowest TOI/60 among all the regular defensemen too.
Aside from the Philly abortion, if you want to figure out where the PK may be lacking, it may be starting with Juice.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
If we’re talking PK here, then he has the third highest TOI/60. Higher than all defensemen on the PK. Considerable time on the PK, decent +/-, high quality competition, low quality teammates. I know stats aren’t everything, but Juice’s PK performance looks solid to me.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. Stupid BTN apprently doesn’t put the GF/GA per 60 on PK time anymore, so it’s tougher to nail down.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this what you’re after?
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You bet. Gracias amigo.
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by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem. I find the site a little difficult to navigate. I usually just manipulate the URL to get around.
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by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
This is interesting ....
From Corey’s story this morning (look in the sidebar for the link:
Boudreau said he talked to certain individuals about the penalty problems (i.e. Semin and Green), but it looks like he hasn’t reached the point of limiting ice time. He also said after watching the tape the infactions were either iffy calls or not lazy penalties.
This coupled with something from CapsCon makes me raise an eyebrow. The referees get a pre-game briefing – what to expect from whom, etc. I have to look at that as something of a double-edged sword; it’s well-known from a psychological standpoint that you are more likely to see the things you expect to see, and less likely to see the things you don’t expect. Given that, are certain players being called for everything, weak calls or not, because they have a reputation for it and therefore refs expect to see it? If that’s the case, how does one get out of that trap?
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I do think that reputation can come into play in these situations. On the other end of the spectrum, a Nicklas Lidstrom can do something and not get called because, well, Lidstrom wouldn’t commit a penalty there, would he? It reminds me of anecdotes about Ted Williams where umps would call anything he didn’t swing at a ball because, well, if The Splendid Splinter laid off it, it had to be because it was a bad pitch.
As to how to break the circle here, I think those players with a reputation have to be even more careful than others not to put themselves in a situation where the ref can make a questionable call.
Somewhat related, my concern about the quote is this part:
He also said after watching the tape the infactions were either iffy calls or not lazy penalties.
Accountability out the window? Sticking up for your guys after throwing them under the bus? Curious back-pedaling.
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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Nice to see someone outside of Pittsburgh make that observation. I used to say that about the Wings BEFORE they even played the Pens in the playoffs. Now, if I say that to a Wings fan, it is just “sour grapes.” I truly feel that the Wings get away with more hooking/holding/interference than any other team in the league.
They do it so fucking well, though. The reason they get away with it is because they are always moving their feet. They sure as hell will skate into your lane, and get their sticks on you, but when they are moving their feet it just looks like they are battling for position. If your feet aren’t moving and you put a stick on a hip you are going to get called nowadays.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Honestly, I saw it the same way. The refereeing has been suspect in 4 of the 5 games we’ve seen (Bs game seemed alright to me), and they certainly have not been of the same quality of lazy that we were accustomed to seeing the past 2 years.
Thus far, I mean.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I like 28 a lot. I give him a lot of Picasso/LaLoosh leeway, and I add ‘Moving from Siberia to DC’, ‘euroHockey to NA’, what not. But if you can’t afford to keep both Semin and Backstrom, I see that as a laughably simple choice: Nick Backstrom’s a blueprint center. he’s a 3-zone playmaker, a solid hitter, and a downright scary passer. Given the accuracy of his passing, I wish he shot much more.
I don’t have stats for any of it, but I think Backstrom’s an incredible value.
I think GMGM’s going to do everything in his power to pay both Backs and Semin, and, if not, Semin will get traded. i don’t see him making the C.Bo mistake with Semin, if that’s how it has to be (not through waivers, though, obviously).
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
If Semin gets claimed off Pitt by waivers I might just die. :p
I feel the same away about avatars as Ovechkin does about speed limits.
I can’t see GMGM losing Semin for nothing, not yet. Maybe if he resigns Semin and the K takes Semin into his UFA years GMGM holds him in his contract year for a run at the Cup, but that’s the only scenario I can envision in which Semin leaves DC with nothing coming back.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Against Philly, they take the lead into the last 5 minutes and give up the tying goal.
Vs the Rain-juhs, they take the lead 3-2 and give up the tying goal on the NEXT SHIFT.
They were in the game despite being outplayed against DET, then the Green penalty gcame at the worst possible time.
In other words, they are shooting themselves in the foot. It is self inflicted. Despite the mediocre record, it is conceivable that they could be 4-0-1, at worst.
What is the problem? It’s the same story as last year: To challenge for the Cup, the Caps need:
more offensive contributions from the 3rd and 4th line
same for D (not named Green)
lessen the reckless stick penalties
Our goaltending is adequate to challenge for the Cup, no doubt there. As much as we love Lainger, I think it’s time to give Giroux/Perrault a chance. At least they’ll bloddy shoot.
I think a semi-big name D signing is in the offing by the deadline. Maybe Edmonton will take Nyls for Tom Gilbert.
Our goaltending is adequate to challenge for the Cup, no doubt there
I’m not sure I agree with that.
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by J.P. on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we’d all agree that Chris Osgood has had the benefit of playing in a system and on a team that plays a little tighter defensively than the Caps, no?
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The Caps are built on offense. If the offense doesn’t come, the goalies will not bail them out. But if they go over 3G/gm and allow under 2.5, that should be enough for the SCF. And IMO that’s a pretty realistic scenario.
by red army line on Oct 12, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I buy the under 2.5 for this team, not the way they are playing now.
Against good teams they will have trouble keeping it under 3 per.
With the salary cap, either teams have tons of depth but no elite offensive talent (along the lines of Boston) or great elite offensive talent but little depth (more along the lines of Pittsburgh). A better shutdown pairing will help with the latter; we already should have the former covered.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if we get some consistent D pairings in place, if our goaltending doesn’t become more reliable.
by mechanicsville on Oct 12, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaggy, you had me nodding my head until you busted out with the crazy…
Our goaltending is adequate to challenge for the Cup, no doubt there. As much as we love Lainger, I think it’s time to give Giroux/Perrault a chance. At least they’ll bloddy shoot.
I think a semi-big name D signing is in the offing by the deadline. Maybe Edmonton will take Nyls for Tom Gilbert.
Giroux has shown he’s no NHLer after many opportunities. Perreault has shown he ain’t ready yet. Needs to firm up his two-way game. If you think Flash or Fehr have been infuriating the last couple of years, Perreault would be much worse right now. If you want someone from Hershey, take Aucoin, Beagle or Wilson.
Edmonton wouldn’t take Nyls for Tom Arnold.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
When did Perreault show he isn’t ready yet? Not saying he’s ready, just curious.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Preaseason and rookie camps. I think he could probably score 15 goals, 40 points if given 2nd line center playing time right now, but he’d be on the ice for a lot of goals against and he’d lose way too many faceoffs. He’s getting there.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Boudreau said he was one of the bright spots of the preseason, asserting that he is a guy that they could rely on to step up and play in the NHL if they need an injury replacement this year.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
That’s not the same as “NHL ready” in the sense that we view him. We want MP to be a legit top 6 threat and right now he’s not ready for more than spot duty. MP was a shining success in the preseason just because he showed that he can in fact play against NHL quality D, even if he’s not ready to do it on a nightly basis and help the team win.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I'll give you crazy -right here!!!
Bro, you had to know Nyls for Gilbert was totally facetious. Maybe Melissa Gilbert.
But I do think from what I’ve seen, that our goaltending is no worse than Chris Osgood, Cam Ward, Khabibulin, or any other non-elite goalies who have contended for the Cup.
And I am just tired of the endless cycling of the 3rd an 4th lines without shooting. I’d rather have Giroux cherry picking at the red line or Perrault getting the shit kicked out of him because I know they will go for the net at some point.
Forgot about Beags – I guess he’s next in the meritocracy.
I do think from what I’ve seen, that our goaltending is no worse than Chris Osgood, Cam Ward, Khabibulin, or any other non-elite goalies who have contended for the Cup.
But it’s a two-part issue – the goalie himself and the system in and team for which he plays. Is Chris Osgood better than Jose Theodore in a vacuum? Maybe not. But he doesn’t have to be – he’s played for great Wings teams. Was Cam Ward better in his Cup year than Varly last year? Maybe not. But he didn’t have to be – he played for a Carolina team that played a more committed defensive game than last year’s Caps.
Point being, the Caps, as presently constituted, are in a position where they’re going to be asking a lot more of their goalie than some other teams who’ve gotten away with mediocre goaltending have asked of theirs. The Caps, as presently constituted, aren’t going to be able to get away with mediocre goaltending.
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I also think a major factor is that since the lockout Theo has never been “unbeatable.” When Ward and Khabi won those Cups you watched them and at times you asked how they could even be scored on. Even when Theo looks on his game and like he’s playing good hockey he can let a dagger of a soft goal get past him; and you never know when it’s coming. How many times have you watched Theo in a Caps jersey and said “they aren’t scoring on him tonight… just not gonna happen”?
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
Yep. Inconsistency kills – don’t be a victim.
In fairness, Ward looked like poop during the regular season and no one saw his playoff performance coming (this last part is why I compared him to Varly last year), which was perfectly fine… for that team. But for a team with high expectations/aspirations, it’s untenable.
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Yeah, you know I’m not all on board the Cam Ward train (that extension and his subsequent play have given me a great number of early season chuckles), but he did look unbeatable for that Cup run, especially the finals. There was no point where I was sitting there waiting for him to kill CAR with a soft goal (though he also didn’t have the soft goal history, so maybe there is some bias there).
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I’ll give you crazy -right here!!!
Bro, you had to know Nyls for Gilbert was totally facetious. Maybe Melissa Gilbert.
It’s that there was no transition. The first bit was so earnest — and then it went straight into facetious. Gave me whiplash, I guess.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If Laing has no points, a minus-two rating, and the team’s penalty killing percentage is well under 80% effective, is he doing his job?
An emphatic, “NO.” This isn’t “Rudy”. Enough of this already.
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by macvechkin on Oct 12, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Caps have given up 2 goals in 10 minutes of penalty kill time with Lainger on the ice. That’s definitely too small a sample size to judge him by.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
That is down right ineffective, small sample or not. Especially when the greatest asset he has is his ability on the PK.
Would you say the same if it was 1 goal?
A good way to tell if your sample size is too small is to increment or decrement something by one. If it makes a big difference to you, your sample size is too small.
MIke Knuble’s been on the ice for 3 goals on the penalty kill in only a little more time than Lainger. And he’s had a long career to show us he’s a good penalty killer. Mike Green hasn’t been out there for a penalty kill goal against because he’s been in the box in half again as much penalty kill time as Laing or Knuble. He ain’t going to keep that 100% kill rate the whole season. It’s just too soon to judge these guys with that level of granularity.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
too soon to judge these guys with that level of granularity
Then what are we doing here??? Bunch of armchair PP QBs…
Maybe i’m being too harsh, but Laing has to be better than everyone else on the PK because he doesn’t bring much to the table elsewhere. Knuble does get some slack from me because he has a track record. That said, it isn’t like Laing is a 19 year old that is getting his feet wet, he’s got his own track record and it says that he hasn’t been good enough to get an NHL sweater on a regular basis.
The argument is probably moot because he’s filling a roster spot until Flash returns.
Funny, who would have predicted that after five games Brendan Morrison would be our best free agent pickup? Agreed on Laing. If the penalty kill stays lousy for another five games, what is his worth to the team? And double agree with the same reasoning on keeping Gordon. I hope these guys realize they are living on a razor’s edge if they don’t pick it up.
I think Knubs just hasnt had the opportunity to shine. I think he is obviously waiting to get up on the first line and work his magic.
I also think that Ovie/Green need less time on the PP – talking about forcing the issue. The longer Ovie’s out, the more he feels pressure to make it happen. Shorten those shifts up.
Knuble on the 2nd line with Laich is not going to be where he’s at his most useful. Picking up AO’s trash, on the other hand, is exactly what he should be doing.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Some early overreactions?
Can’t believe how quickly this group has turned on Varly. He was terrific last year in the minors, and then mostly terrific in the playoffs. He’s had two - TWO! - bad albeit not terrible games to start the season and he’s considered a big problem? I’d prefer to give him a bunch of starts, tell him it’s his job to lose and then let him play a lot before making judgments. We already know all we need to about Jose: He’s a #2 goalie at #1 prices. He’s not going to lead us to the promised land.
Also, I continue to be surprised by the lack of love for Semin. Does he take too many stupid penalties? Yes, certainly. But none of these guys is perfect, and he’s clearly in our top 3 players (AO and Backstrom) and in the top couple dozen in the NHL. Semin, for one, plays dramatically better D than, e.g., AO. AO has been hot scoring to start the season, but in addition to his typical nonexistent D, he’s had multiple terrible turnovers at the blue line on the PP leading to breakaways. Getting to watch Datsyuk vs. the Caps was pretty instructive. My point is not that AO isn’t a great player (he is) but rather that so’s Semin, despite his obvious flaws.
Now for my own early overreaction, I’m not sure there’s anything more frightening than watching Jeff Schultz skating in space in a 1-on-1. I think the Caps would be better served if he just got out of the way. I know he’s a favorite of some of the bloggers here, but so far he’s been pretty awful.
yes, Mr. Theo might have something to say about that. So might Hasek. And then there’s all those goalies that won the Vezina…..
I figured it was snark. Given today’s track record, who knows.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if anyone’s ‘turned’ on Varlamov. But he’s in more danger of being passed by (healthy) Neuvirth than of passing Theo on the chart. That’s what I see.
28’s talented and frustrating in equal measure. If you’re not tearing your hair out about him, you’re probably not loving him right.
Haven’t seen enough of Schultz to share your opinion. He definitely is not Caps biggest blueline problem thus far, but if he’s who you like to harp on well have at it.
Schultz has only been in, what, 2 games? He hasn’t even had a chance to be awful, let alone good.
And, actually, excepting the one penalty I can recall, he has been good.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No overreactions, friend – it’s a look at the past week, nothing more, nothing less.
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Other overreactions
1) Sin-dee Crysby has ONE assist in 5 games (I’m sure it was secondary assist credited on one of his own goals ;) ) He is taking the Yzerman way back to the Cup, or, he will be sent down to the Baby Pens in a week.
2) Caps are ONE LINE TEAM!!!!! For real, though, Ovie’s ice time has to come down – pushing 23 minutes a game. Lidstrom only plays 24, for G.O.D.‘s sake. Ovie’s no Ilya Kovalchuk!!! (Ilya is playing over 23 minutes – unreal.)
3) Boudreau SUCKS! Still fighting discipline problems (Ovie’s shifts, bad penalties, ).
I thought I was in the comments section on Tarik’s blog for a sec there.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Some solid CLED.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sin-dee Crysby has ONE assist in 5 games (I’m sure it was secondary assist credited on one of his own goals ;) ) He is taking the Yzerman way back to the Cup, or, he will be sent down to the Baby Pens in a week.
something about Sid hanging out with the Baby Pens sent me into fits of laughter.
I’m a grown man and I wouldn’t mind living in Lemieux’s house.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jerks.
I guess this is what I get for hanging around enemy territory. Why can’t I find a decent hockey convo elsewhere on the internet when I am bored at work.
Also, the Cindy Crysby thing is pretty played, unless you were being sarcastic. Or unless you are 5.
by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The “Other Overreactions” post is intended as a parody – we all know that it’s played out, that’s why it’s being brought up. ;-)
That’s pretty bang-on for what you’d see on the Caps beat writer blog, though.
by Knee high to a duck on Oct 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotcha.
I knew you guys were above the Cindy Crysby thing.
The only people who seriously say that are Rangers fans. And NO ONE wants to be like a Rangers fan.
I’m not above it. Dominating the player poll on whininess before bitchinbout hats—its the hardest-earned tag in the league.
Sidney Crosby is the second whiniest NHL Captain in the state of Pennsylvania.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
I dunno, Richards is a douche, but Sid is a spoiled brat.
(I’ve never been able to figure out McGuire’s man crush on Richards)
All it takes is one look into his eyes in a playoff game, before a faceoff. That’s the same look as Nicklas Lidstrom, as Jarome Iginla,…as Nicklas Backstrom.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Shaggy was kidding. I was being completely serious. Have you seen pictures of Lemieux’s house? It’s pretty damn sweet.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually not being hyper-sensitive. Maybe hypo-sensitive.
It’s all lighthearted with me.
It’s hard to understand people’s tones when they are typing.
Also, I don’t really get baited into this site. There are no other hockey blogs on the internet where you can have a real conversation with mature humans without a bunch of people ruining it. Given the choice between forced conversation with my co-workers who know nothing about hockey, or being a nerd and talking to my enemies on a blog….
I’ll be a nerd every time.
by Link_Gaetz on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for truth.
"Let the rest be scared of us." - Sasha Semin
by Scott in Shaw on Oct 12, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fun with small sample sizes: Eric Fehr has far and away the best Corsi rating on the team.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
I, for one, am over the Semin at RW project
And it’s time to give 16 a crack at fulfilling some promise.
Here’s what I have been chewing on, and read nothing into any perceived demotion.
Ovechkin-Morrison-Knuble
Semin-Backstrom-Fehr
Laich-Steckel-Clark
Laing**-Gordon-Bradley
92
[if Laing cannot produce, and Flash is still on the shelf, helllllooo Oskar!]
26-52
55-3
2-4
89
Welcome back, ShaMo.
from the house that Red Jesus built
Baxter belongs on the first line. Other than that, I agree.
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Oct 12, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and 4 should be replaced with 23. Erskine has been getting on my nerves.
"My face is my mask."
by Jake Shapiro on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like what JP wanted pre-season.
by DrinkingPartner on Oct 12, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-Morrison-Fehr
Laich-Steckel-Clark
Flash Gordon-Bradley
Lorne Worsley knows what to do with all those third pair D. I do Not.
Because he’s so good on D, tough on the puck, and a great grinder in the corners. Everything you want in a 4W.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great deadpan delivery.
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
Theo
I meant to mention this earlier, JP, but I think your trending indicators are a little harsh on Theo. Yeah, overall he’s got a 2.90 GAA and a .902 save%, but that includes being thrown unprepared into that Flyers game. Take out that game and for his three starts he’s got a .930 save% and a 2.66 GAA. I don’t think anybody would be anything but happy with those kinds of numbers for a starter.
You can’t really take 1 game out of the 1st five. He’s going to have craptacular games like that throughout the season. It’s what makes him non-elite.
The Flyers game was hardly “craptacular” for Theo. He’s a starter who was thrown in without any warmup. I’m far more interested in what he does in the games where he knows he’s going to start and is able to go through his game-day preparation and in those situations, he’s been very good.
Very fair points. Theo was a struggle, actually. On the one hand, what you said. On the other, he had a big role in giving away two points against the Rags. On the other (I’m three-handed), his numbers overall. So I decided to give him a “-” so far. But I dig what you’re saying.
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I think the Caps’ defensemen are three handed… how else to explain the holding penalties.
If you've read this far...seek help.
by ThePeerless on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Can I take away the rec 24 hours later? In case it was an iffy call?
"Good crowd out there tonight, boys, let's really try to win this one."
by Bald Pollack on Oct 12, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can we skip the part about being “thrown in unprepared”? We’re talking about a 10 year veteran professional goaltender. Otherwise, I do think that he’s been above decent. Problem is he’ll never be trustworthy, ever.
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by macvechkin on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn’t have said it better myself. He’s paid to be ready at all times. As a veteran you could probably guess there would be a chance that Varly would struggle in his 1st ever appearance in Philly.
Of course he knows he could go in to replace Varly. By unprepared, I mean he wasn’t allow to have any warmup shots taken at him before he went in. It’s like a relief pitcher having to go into a game without getting any warmup throws before facing his first batter.
Just like Madson yesterday for the Phils…came in got a strike out, gave up a sac fly, but minimized the damage and his team was able to win. Caps got the Flyers game even and Jose couldn’t win it.
injury to pitcher means the replacement (in this case, Madson) gets as many warm up pitches from the mound as he damn well wants.
For the longtest time, replacement goalies were allowed to get several minutes of warm up shots. The rule was changed because some coaches were using it as a stalling technique to get their team organized.
Yeah it was an extra time out so the league closed the loophole.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
still not the same as knowing you’re warming up to come in with an inning to get ready and nobody on base….I know this is a repeat, but my reply did not go where it was supposed to (working and chatting not going so well)
sorry, its not comparable. You can take a billion warm up pitches if you want. Replacement goalies get nothing.
Backup QB’s come in during football games and can play well. Whatever sport you play, if you’re not in you should still be mentally and physically prepared to step in at any time. Pinch hitters in baseball come in cold and don’t complain.
Robert Horry made a name for himself coming in off the bench after sitting the entire 4th quarter and hitting a game winning shot.
What other sports can we compare hockey to?
Maybe play with an edge, be a little more physical -- maybe be more of a prick out there.
It’s like in badminton when the wind keeps knocking over your net and your swatting arm cools down during the hiatus.
"If you're gonna die after 24, might as well jump out at 23:59, no?"
by Laich It Or Lump It on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s no warmups in cricket. After a guy gets out, you strap on your helmet, pick up your bat, and walk onto the field to take your place.
by red army line on Oct 13, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Backup QBs also can spend time warming up and stretching on the sidelines. Backup goalies are sitting on the bench or a little stool. You can throw out as many examples from other sports as you want, but a backup goalie who has been sitting on the bench for half a game is not as physically prepared to play as a goalie who starts the game right after warmups. It’s not even close.
Even with that being said, I think Theodore did a great job coming in cold to keep the game from getting away from the Caps. Sure they still lost, but neither of the goals he gave up were his fault, and he made a number of big saves to keep the team in it. Seems to me he was very mentally prepared, and he was even able to perform well despite not being physically prepared.
Of all our iniquities ignorance may be the worst
by Killer_Carlson on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to come off the bench to be an emergency Sweeper in my High School Curling league. It was terrible; I damn near blew my elbow out.
If you're after gettin' the honey, then you don't go killin' all them bees.
by Rob Parker on Oct 12, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I had to come off the bench to defend a deposition once. Lawyer sitting next to me basically said “take over” and left the room. He’d had enough.
It was a boring deposition.
Atta dinnin stick a who!
by Gould Old Days on Oct 13, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
still not the same as knowing you’re warming up to come in with an inning to get ready and nobody on base







































