Monday Roundup - 'Canes 3, Caps 1
by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 6:30 AM EST
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[AP Recap - Game Summary - Event Summary - WashingtonCaps.com Postgame]
Hey, at least no one got hurt... right?
The Caps, playing their third game in roughly 72 hours (and second in less than 24), looked tired. The 'Canes - who didn't have to travel, but were also playing their third game in four days - looked tired. Unfortunately, the one man on the ice who shouldn't have looked tired having not played a game since Tuesday, looked more exhausted than anyone.
Whether it was a slow recovery after stopping Joni Pitkanen's blast from the point that allowed Ray Whitney to easily deposit the rebound in the first period or allowing a pair of goals on just six shots against while the game was still in doubt in the third, Jose Theodore wasn't as good as he needed to be and was badly outplayed by his counterpart at the other end of the ice, Michael Leighton (who faced 70 shots in two games this weekend and looked sharp throughout, despite the heavy workload... perhaps unsurprisingly).
A few thoughts on the game:
- If the Caps were remotely healthy, they win this game 5-2 or so. But they're not, and they didn't.
- Nicklas Backstrom's goal may have been the nicest shot of his career, ripping a one-timer home on the power play. We'd all love to see more of this from Nick (and less of the drop passes in the defensive zone like the one that led to the first Carolina goal).
- Sami Lepisto continues to struggle. Somehow he wasn't credited with a single giveaway. Then again, as I'm typing this, the official score sheet still doesn't have him as being on the ice for the second goal on which he was manhandled by the mighty Sergei Samsonov behind the net (where was the help, by the way?), so apparently we can add the official scorer to the list of the exhausted.
- The Caps were positively slaughtered in the faceoff circle, losing 63% of the game's draws, including 86% while shorthanded and 75% in the defensive zone. Damn you, Rod Brind'Amour.
- The Caps got a ton of shots on goal, and from decent spots on the ice, but couldn't solve Leighton at even strength. Viktor Kozlov's chance off a nice Backstrom drop pass in deep may have been the best of the night, but Kozzy shot it over the net.
- Why the deuce can't Alex Ovechkin score on penalty shots?
- Donald Brashear had a great game, registering six hits and two shots on goal in less than ten minutes of ice time. Still, I was hoping to see him drop the mittens with Tim Clownboy.
- Karl Alzner led the team in non-PP ice time (again). Those are hard minutes, and he's certainly handling them now.
Unfortunately for the Caps, the relatively soft Columbus/Florida/Islanders/Leafs/'Canes portion of the schedule is now over, and the Caps have four points to show for it. With the Bruins looming on Wednesday, things could get ugly if the Caps don't get healthy, and fast. One thing is fairly certain, though - Jose Theodore will likely be the least tired Cap in the locker room following that game.
Elsewhere 'Round the Rinks:
Karl Alzner's first week or so in the NHL is profiled by the CP.... Here's that Hockey Night In Canada piece on Bruce Boudreau and John Anderson that we were talking about in Saturday night's open thread.... Dale Hunter is Pierre LeBrun's Number One "Player you love to hate." Personally, I might go with the fourth guy on his list for missing that empty net against Detroit.... TSN.ca takes an in-depth look at the Caps' top prospects.... New feature alert! "Cap of the Day" - be sure to check in daily and leave your memories of these names from the past.
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Theodore
What was so frustrating about last night was Theo’s lack of ability to make decent saves to keep us in the game- something that he HAS been able to do for the most part this year.
Like Coach always says, we don’t need him to carry the team on his back for a ton of 0-0 games, we can even allow a softy because of our scoring ability. The Staal goal was bad enough but when we are trying to rally with a few minutes left and you let that crap in from Whitney? Granted the D on that play was rough but still.
I can deal with the first period softy ( I mean, come on, aren’t we used to that?) But seriously, letting in those two at the end of a game-I hope he rides the pine for a week.
We know we have an amazing team (especially when we get healthy ). But it will sit in the back of our minds all year that when we get into the playoffs-Theo is going to have to step up his game or it might be ugly and disappointing.
-shwedy
by shwedy on Dec 8, 2008 8:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To that end, Jose’s record when the Caps score 4 or more: 6-0-1; when the Caps score 3 or fewer: 2-6-0.
Bottom line: gotta score for the guy – he’s not going to win many 2-1 games, which is what last night would have probably been.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Btw, he’s also 2-2-0 when they score exactly three goals (making him 0-4-0 when they score two or fewer).
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 8:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So (as I keep talking to myself), score four for him and he’s money. Score two and you’re losing. Score three and it’s a coin toss.
Does this pattern surprise anyone? And really, is it so different than most non-elite goalies?
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know who said it first...
but Jose “Three Or More” is a pretty funny nickname…
by Sombrero Guy on Dec 8, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m no Theo supporter by a long shot, but pinning this loss on him is absurd. Just like it would be absurd to blame the loss on AO for looking like Donald Brashear when he fails miserably on a penalty shot…again. Or blaming Lepisto for tripping over his own feet and allowing an open shot on goal from two feet out ( didn’t he just do the same thing against the Islanders) or blaming Helmer for looking like a career minor leaguer on defense ( oh wait, he is). The point I’m making is that this is a loss that you could see coming all the way from Toronto. As you pointed out, JP, if the Caps are healthy this game is a rout and noone’s even talking about Theodore, but because they’re playing with half the team from Hershey there’s no room for error and the goals against are magnified. Could Jose have played better? Sure, but you could have said that for just about everyone else last night. This was a team loss, mainly because of injuries and travel. It happens. When the Caps get healthy, Carolina and the rest of the SE will be blips in the rearview mirror.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 9:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope I didn’t come across as pinning it on Theo, but he didn’t make “the big save” and was outplayed by Leighton. No doubt it’s a team loss, and I don’t think any goalie can be blamed for a loss when his team musters just one goal against a career minor leaguer.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree. But when your a 4.5 million dollar goalie and and your team is tired and beat up and decimated , you personally had a few days off and it’s a one goal game, you need to elevate your performance or at least be steady.
You can’t blame the game on him because lets say he made that 3rd goal into a save, we may have never tied it up and it would have been 2-1. Same result- no points.
The point I’m making is bigger in Theodore’s play. Nothing mindblowing I know :)
-shwedy
by shwedy on Dec 8, 2008 9:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is an unsettling reality that might start boring into minds of Caps fans before too long. Just as there were those who felt Alex Ovechkin’s talent was being “wasted” in his first two years as the Caps struggled around him, so this team’s overall talent might be held hostage this year (and perhaps even next) by also-ran goaltending. Brent Johnson is on a nice run, but whether he can keep this up over 40-plus appearances is an open question. And Theodore has shown little sign that he can come close to recapturing on anything approaching a consistent basis the level of performance he had in his best years in Montreal.
The Caps will almost certainly make the playoffs, the SE being as weak as it is. But after that, it’s a goalie’s game, not so much for the GAA or the save percentage, but for the fact that the games are closer, there is less of a margin for error, and each save one does make (or doesn’t make) is magnified, adding to the pressure. Do the Caps have a goalie who can bear up under that? It isn’t looking that way.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2008 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
To answer your question in one word: No. Maybe the solution in year or two is Varlamaov or Neuvirth, but right now neither Johnson or Theodore is good enough to get them past the second round and certainly not to the Finals.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I agree with that
This team has two goalies who have both had stellar games this year (and moreso in BJ’s case, strings of games). While we can’t advance far in the playoffs with them playing like crap, I think that either of them are very capable of getting hot and taking this team on a long playoff run.
Perhaps that is overly optimistic. But I don’t think it’s any worse than the situation with Huet was, and he wasn’t the reason the Caps failed to advance last year.
by grapejoos on Dec 8, 2008 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TSN is reporting a rumor
that Boston may be shopping Manny Fernandez. Would you consider that an upgrade? (Assuming that we could afford it. (which we cant))
by Wisper on Dec 8, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Since the lockout, Thedore’s save percentages have been .882, .891, .910, and .888 (this year). Aside from the four games he played last season, the last time Fernandez was under .911 was 01-02, and that’s the only time he’s been under .911 as a starter.
by David M. Getz on Dec 8, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kolzig in 98
Since I was like 12 at the time during our Cup run I can’t really remember this BUT….
What were people saying about Kolzig before we started the first round in 98? Were people doubting his ability to take us deep? My point in asking is- Are their goalies out there that can elevate themselves during the playoffs? Last year Theo did great in the first round but not so much in the second. Granted, I believe COL was just awful against Detroit plus I think Theo had the flu.
These aren’t loaded questions and it’s not fair to compare Theo to Kolzig because Olie (I believe) had a much better regular season year in 98…. but I was just wondering what that was like.
JP-any help?
-shwedy
by shwedy on Dec 8, 2008 11:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
lemme just say
I was fortunate enough to see every home game in the playoffs that year and I saw a bunch in March as well, and I’ll vouch that Kolzig was unconscious down the stretch for us in 1998 (until the Wings just broke our backs—total domination in gms 2-4).
Not only was it his best year in GAA to date (and his first season as our unquestioned #1) but much more important was that he came up just huge for us night after night. The feeling in the building was pure confidence that, even if he gave one up, we’d still win. There was no doubt about him at all.
Yes, goalies who elevate in the playoffs move their teams through the playoffs, much more often than, say, a D man who elevates his game, or even a forward. Look at Chris frickin Osgood. Sure he has a great team around him, but for the most part he’s just a stone in the playoffs. And while I think of him as in the top ten G out there right now, he’s certainly not the best or even top-5, stats or otherwise.
Sadly, Jose is not even close to being one of these guys right now. He’s had two good years, a few pretty good years and 1 or 2 awful ones. He’s 19-26 lifetime in the playoffs, and if I recollect, has never been out of the second round. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
by bigonetimer on Dec 8, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hard
to come up with examples of goalies who have been average lifetime in the playoffs but then turn it on to take their teams deep. I’m not sure Kolzig fits that mold – once he was the bonafide starter he was pretty steady in the playoffs – but he failed to win a playoff series in prior years when he was relieving Carey the sieve. And even in 98, the Caps probably would have lost to Boston if not for the serendipitious toe of Tim Taylor in the crease when the B’s would have taken a 3-1 series lead (if memory serves).
Point is, did anyone think Martin Biron was a great playoff goalie last year? Well, his team went to the conference finals. I’m not saying we have the goaltending to win the cup this year, but I’m not prepared to say that we don’t.
by grapejoos on Dec 8, 2008 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Biron’s a great example of what I remember reading not too long ago – that despite the way a lot of people think of it, most coaches, GMs, and players don’t think you need a great goalie to win the Cup, just a guy who won’t lose games for you. Unfortunetly I can’t recall the publication, but I’ll see if I can dig it up.
by David M. Getz on Dec 8, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SOGs
Remember though that Colorado allowed the fewest Shots on Goal of any NHL team last year.
That is a luxury Mr Jose Three-or-More will never have playing for a young, fast & open team like the Caps.
by Wisper on Dec 8, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That Final Score Sucks
Believe it or not I was pulling for the Caps. Maybe it’s not so hard to believe (cue “Brass Bonanza”)…
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by Whale4ever on Dec 8, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kolzig was an entirely different breed of animal. He was in many respects an unknown. He had some limited success in a relief role in a playoff setting (and had that 4-OT loss to Pittsburgh), but he had an excellent regular season in 1997-1998 after Bill Ranford took one in the OUCH! (33-18-10, 2.20, .920). Neither Theodore nor Johnson appear, at the moment, to be headed toward that kind of season, even corrected for the somewhat higher goal totals scored these days.
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by ThePeerless on Dec 8, 2008 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…. lets see, the Caps were without:
Green, Poti, Pothier, Erskine, Sloan and Schultz. There are many teams in the league that would be quite happy with these guys as their top 6 defensemen compared to what they have.
That the Caps can lose a complete defensive corps and still be competitive speaks volumes about the organization…
by Mike L on Dec 8, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We see what we want to see....
and sometimes forget to look at the big picture. The Caps are playing an AHL defense right now, and, while there appears to be real promise there, there is a reason that those players started the year in Hershey. Sure, JT could have made some of the stops he didn’t, but maybe he never has to with an NHL defense corps in front. The season is still young, and some of our young players are getting great experience- experience I bet will pay off in the spring. The glass is still half full…
by Boodgiesdad on Dec 8, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ovie and penalty shots
I am trying to remember the last backhand goal Ovie scored and I can’t. Yesterday’s move to the forehand seemed predicated on Leighton being unsure whether Ovie would switch to the backhand, which he obviously didn’t. And my casual observation tells me that our "best"penalty shot takers all have good backhands and score frequently- Semin, Nyls, Kozy, Backs, etc. But not Ovie
Is it possible that Ovie has no decent backhand, goalies know this and always play the forehand on the penalty shots which is why they never seem fooled? BTW, I feel insane for just writing that.
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good observation because AO almost always goes forehand. The rule of thumb is if you’re a right handed shot and you can get the puck in good position on your backhand, you’re going to score maybe 60% of the time. The reason is simple, most goalies catch with their left hand so a right-handed shooters backhand would be to the goalie’s blocker. Also, a backhand is easy to elevate. Alex is just too predictable. Like Bruce said, whatever he’s doing, don’t do it anymore.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have to contend a couple items there. first of all, a backhand is not easy to elevate. it’s quite hard actually, especially if you have a very curved blade. players who have relatively flat blades (usually centers) have an easier time with this.
whether or not the glove is on the goalie’s left or right, opening a goalie’s legs up and going backhand between them is very effective.
by macvechkin on Dec 8, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Related to this
Ovie has a pretty big hook on his blade.
by grapejoos on Dec 8, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he scored one in the preseason, against canes no less (not that it counts)
by renstar on Dec 9, 2008 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sun is Shining
For anyone still feeling down about last night, consider this: the Caps are in first despite playing the most road games in the Eastern Conference and the second fewest home games. By comparison, Carolina has played the most home games and the fewest road games in the east. When you consider the injuries, we don’t have that much to complain about.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goalie Controversy in DC?
1) Seems the Caps had been trying to make/portray Jose as the #1 goalie(based upon his salary he should be), but he has yet to earn the distinction. With that in mind the Caps have some tough decisions to make with regard to Johnny. If he continues to play as the defacto #1 goalie, he probably will want a nice pay increase to stay, else he’ll go on the open market next July to see if he can hook on as a starting goalie somewhere.
2) With Jose signed another season and the Caps probably close to the cap max again next season it’ll be tough to have a "backup’ making 2+ million?
by Fauxrumors on Dec 8, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jo-Say
Anyone know if there is a buyout provision in his contract?
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Buy out?
1) Any contract can be ‘bought out’ for 2/3 of the remaining worth which is spread out over double the number of years remaining. In Jose’s case that would mean the Caps would have to pay Jose close to 3 million, and the Caps would lose approximately 1.5 mil in cap space for the next 2 seasons as a result.
2) Not a good option for a team that will probably be close once again to the cap max to have such ‘dead space’
by Fauxrumors on Dec 8, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're happy, JP
Now we’re talking about buying out Jose’s contract . What’s next, torches and pitchforks? ;-)
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just thinkin' out loud
It’s hard not to, especially after Sunday. IMO, the first goal was the result of a poor rebound; the second he was beat on the short side; the third was just bad. He is not alone in blame- Backs, Lepitso etc are all guilty of poor play- but there have not been enough Montreal-like game performances for a guy making $4.5M a year. Those type of goals are killers.
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget effigies.
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by PPP on Dec 8, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I understand
1.5M for each of the next year 2 years might be better than 4.5 next year. You can do alot with $3M in cap space.
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1) Yes, you’d have an additional 3 mil in cap space, BUT with a void in net to fill. Unless you see Johnson as the team’s #1 goalie until one of the 2006 draftees are ready?
by Fauxrumors on Dec 8, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Anderson
Is another Maple Leafs product and the burger king of the GTA (not really). I can’t believe that I forgot him…
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by PPP on Dec 8, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So I get It..
JP You’ve apparently never liked the JT60 signing and you have a mancrush on King Karl….that said IMHO this game wasn’t lost by Theodore he played well enough for the Caps to win. If Leighton doesn’t have a superhuman night then by the time the ’Canes scored their second goal, assuming Leighton had a save percentage of 9% the Caps would have been up 3-2 and the game drasticly different. Add a healthy Federov and either Poti or Green on the ice and the faceoff battles and win % are markedly different and the defensive parings are also so. Instead, Leighton won the game for the Hurricanes.
by markbona-capsfan99 on Dec 8, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How games has Jo-Say won for us?
I’m sure there’s been at least one- but what does it say about his overall play that I am struggling to remember if and when it happened?
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Montreal – 3-0 less than two weeks ago.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and there was a 32 save, one goal allowed win against NJ in November.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe NJ
I remember thinking he deserved the shut out but did NJ outplay the Caps as badly as the Caps outplayed the ’Canes?
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NJ outshot the Caps 33-27 that night and he earned the #2 star.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It surely was a great performance by Jo-Say but I thought the Caps outplayed the Habs and deserved the win. Yesterday the Caps outplayed the ’Canes and lost anyway because of Leighton. Leighton stole a win the Canes did not deserve- when has Jo-Say done that?
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He stopped 32 of 34 in Phoenix – had the offense shown up, those would’ve been two points.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably right
Just frustrated because when I watch Jo-Say I see Pete Peeters incarnate; no one could lose playoff game like Peeters. And when I see Peeters all I see is the Caps vs Flyers, that puck in slo-mo flying 20 feet in the air, landing on Peters’ head and ricocheting into the goal. That is what I see when I see Jo-Say- and I can’t shake it.
by ChrisAm on Dec 8, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame you
But Theodore has played well at times this year. That 3-0 shutout of the Habs was hardly easy – he made several spectacular 2nd period saves to keep the lead. Frankly, I think some people would be less down on Theodore if he didn’t put his head on the ice in disappointment when he lets in a weak goal.
I’m not sold on the guy, but yesterday’s game is hardly going to be headlining his obituary if it doesn’t work out. He has been much, much worse in some other games this year (opening night vs. Atlanta comes to mind).
by grapejoos on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And don’t forget the game two days earlier against Calgary when he stopped 26 out of 28 shots and lost 2-1. The bottom line is when he’s good, he can be very good. He’s just not consistent. How much of that is the team’s injuries and how much is him? I guess we’ll have to wait until we get some of the top guys back before we can make any true judgements.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Markbona -
I’ve actually been just about Jose’s biggest defender in the Caps blogosphere and the one of the only ones I’ve seen write a negative word about Alzner. Read up before typing, son.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess he didn’t read, “In Defense of Jose, the Defense in Front of Jose” from back in July (some of your best work by the way). What you said then holds true now. let’s step back from the edge and get some perspective. JT isn’t stealing many games but slow starts from several players, issues with secondary scoring and a patchwork quilt defense haven’t made it easy on our goaltenders either. Hopefully we can get healthy and see what this team can do with an NHL line-up.
by Lisita on Dec 8, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for gettin’ my back, Lisita, and a-friggin’-men.
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by J.P. on Dec 8, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you consider that this is a brand new team for Jose and everyone admitted that he and the defensemen were having a problem communicating on the ice at the start, then throw in all the injuries to the D-corp and the incredibly young players in front of him, it’s not surprising he’s been inconsistent. Johnny has an advantage in that he’s been here several years and already knows everyone. Like I said, let’s see what he does once the real team is back on the ice.
by b.orr4 on Dec 8, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
random
just switched to Pens/Sabres game for 10 seconds and what do you know, Crosby dives after a little leg contact with Derek Roy. you could literally see him get jostled a bit then spin his whole body around and flop like a fish to the ice.
i’d take Malkin over Crosby ANY DAY.
by ns on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Caps Drafting
The end of that article about the Caps prospects has some stats about the Caps success in drafting. The go in depth on the years from 1997-2003. Out of 62 total picks from those years there are a grand total of 9 (14.5% success rate) players currently in the nhl who have played over 100 games. Only 3 of them now play for the Caps (Semin, Gordon, Fehr).
I didn’t check the success rate of other teams, but this looks pretty bad. Perhaps it would be a good project ’round here to figure out the average and/or where the Caps stand compare with other teams in terms of drafting. What year did GMGM take over again?
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Yikes on the typos
sorry about that.
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by Edanger6 on Dec 9, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just poked around the prospect archive
And it seems that it is far from complete as there are only a few teams profiled.
I looked at San Jose and here’s their stats
Total: 7yrs – 54 draft picks – 17 NHL Players = 31.5% success rate
Success in the first three rounds (1997-2003)
1st rnd Draft Choices: 8 total picks
Undeveloped Prospects – Mike Morris 2002 (1/27)
7yrs -8 draft picks – 7 NHL Players = 87.5% success rate
2nd rnd Draft Choices: 5 total picks
Undeveloped Prospects – Tero Maatta, Dan Spang, Josh Hennessy
7yrs -5 draft picks – 2 NHL Players = 40.0% success rate
3rd rnd Choices: 3 total picks
Undeveloped Prospects – Eric LaPlante, Mark Concannon, Jonas Fielder
7yrs -3 draft picks – 0 NHL Players = 0.0% success rate
Total: 7yrs -16 draft picks – 9 NHL Players = 56.3% success rate in first 3 rounds
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by Edanger6 on Dec 9, 2008 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And here's the Caps
Total: 7yrs – 62 draft picks – 9 NHL Players = 14.5% success rate
Success in the first three rounds (1997-2003)
1st rnd Draft Choices:
7yrs – 7 draft picks – 6 NHL Players = 85.7% success rate
2nd rnd Draft Choices: 10 total picks
Undeveloped Prospects – JF Fortin, Jomar Cruz, Michal Sivek, Jakub Cutta, Maxime Daigneault, Charlie Stephens, Ross Lupaschuk, Nolan Yonkman
7yrs – 6 draft picks – 1 NHL Players = 16.6% success rate
3rd rnd Choices: 5 total picks
Undeveloped Prospects – Todd Hornung, Owen Fussey, Patrick Weller, Derek Krestanovich, Stephan Werner
7yrs – 5 draft picks – 0 NHL Players = 0% success rate
Total: 7yrs – 22 draft picks – 8 NHL Players = 36.3% success rate in first 3 rounds
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