Monday Roundup
Alright. You've all seen Mirtle's list of the best defensive defensemen so far, and we had a bit of a discussion on it in the comments on Friday. But let's go a little deeper and try to rank the seven defensemen (not counting Sergei Fedorov) the Caps have used so far this season based solely on their defensive play. Sure, to a certain extent it's silly to try to separate the defensive play from the rest of what these guys are doing, but we'll do it anyway - we thrive in the silly.First up? Some of the NHL's real-time stats - hits, blocked shots and takeaways. Now, it's not enough to just rank the blueliners on raw numbers. Instead, we'll look at the numbers per sixty minutes of ice time, and not all ice time, but even strength ice time plus shorthanded ice time (since power play ice time is largely irrelevant for our purposes). Here, then are the rankings:
Hits (most per sixty minutes of EV + SH TOI to fewest)
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Sloan
- Morrisonn
- Green
- Poti
- Schultz
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Sloan
- Green
- Poti
- Green
- Sloan
- Poti
- Morrisonn
- Jurcina
- Schultz
- Erskine
Quality of Competition (toughest competition to weakest - these are the players against whom the defensmen are playing)
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Green
- Poti/Sloan
- Jurcina
- Erskine
- Erskine
- Sloan
- Poti
- Jurcina
- Green
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Green
- Poti
- Sloan
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Poti
- Morrisonn
- Sloan
- Green
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Schultz
- Sloan
- Poti
- Schultz
- Green
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Morrisonn
Goals Against On Ice Per Sixty Minutes of Four-on-Five (lowest to highest)
- Erskine
- Green
- Morrisonn
- Schultz
- Poti
- Jurcina
- Sloan
- Morrisonn
- Erskine
- Green
- Jurcina
- Schultz
- Poti
- Sloan
- Poti
- Erskine
- Green
- Jurcina
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Green
- Schultz
- Poti
- Morrisonn
- Erskine
- Jurcina
- Sloan
- Poti
- Erskine
- Green
- Sloan
- Schultz
- Morrisonn
- Jurcina
I'm spent (and am by no means wed to that list). What've you got?
Elsewhere 'Round the Rinks:
The Caps are "showing who's boss" in the Southeast Division (hint: they are).... Hershey positively destroyed Bingo last night, and I mean "positively" - check out the Bears' plus/minus ratings on the night.
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this is random but- what was your take on Gordon going 3rd in the shootout above nylander, flash (who's hot) and backstrom (monster game) ?
by Shwedick on Nov 17, 2008 7:58 AM EST reply actions
As for Gordo taking the penalty shot, I believe "WTF?!" was (and is) my take on it.
I can understand not giving Nylander a shot if Boudreau sees penalty shots as something of a reward rather than a right, but that makes not giving it to Nick or even Flash even more curious.
Personally, I think I'd have given it to Laich - I love "the can opener" move of his. But the four guys named here, plus Green and maybe Clark (more for the potential confidence it might have provided) definitely would've gotten the call from me before Gordo.
by JP on Nov 17, 2008 8:15 AM EST reply actions
2) Rating the caps defensemen on their 'defense' thus far:
Poti
Schultz
Green
Erskine
Sloan
Morrisonn
Jurcina
by FAUX RUMORS on Nov 17, 2008 8:17 AM EST reply actions
mine:
Poti
Erskine
Sloan
Schultz
Morrisonn
Green
Jurcina
by Scott on Nov 17, 2008 8:56 AM EST reply actions
The re-rooled totals would be:
Erskine-64 points
Green- 61 points
Poti-58 points
Sloan-46 points(with no points given in one category)
ShaMo-46 Points
Jurcina-44 points
Schultz-43 points
Not sure what it all means other than Erskine is vastly underappreciated and Schultz is the opposite.
by b.orr4 on Nov 17, 2008 9:03 AM EST reply actions
My eyes tell me, from a purely defensive standpoint:
1- Poti
2- Schultz
3- Sloan (but it's early yet)
4- Erskine
5- Green
6- Morrisonn
7- Jurcina
Mikey is remarkably sucky defensively this year. So far. He has been irresponsible in his own end. Where is the 'giveaway-in-your-own-zone' stat? (Or as everyone so unsavoringly calls it -- the 'cough up'.) I am willing to bet Mikey leads in that by a large margin.
I was struck at how having Gramps as a defensive partner for those few games seemed to almost turn Juice into another person. He did well! Can Jurcina's issues be traced back, in part, to his partner Erskine?
And THANKS for that heads-up in the Bears' game last night! Obliteration! Yeehaw!
by Arabella on Nov 17, 2008 9:07 AM EST reply actions
What I'd recommend (and did) is to pick out the categories that you think matter and are of even weight (or weight them to make it make sense) then apply the scores as you did. Likely it won't be too terribly different, but it makes a bit more sense.
by JP on Nov 17, 2008 9:12 AM EST reply actions
by b.orr4 on Nov 17, 2008 9:22 AM EST reply actions
But yeah, he's pretty much doing what is being asked of him. I'm not sure, however, that $1.25M of production is being asked of him.
by JP on Nov 17, 2008 9:26 AM EST reply actions
My list of our top dmen this season:
1.Poti
2.Schultz
3.Erskine
4.Sloan
5.Green
6.Jurcina
7.Morrisonn
by captnclark on Nov 17, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply actions
2 Schultz
3 Sloan
4 Erskine
5 Green
6 Morrison
7 Jurcina
by NS on Nov 17, 2008 10:02 AM EST reply actions
I have a hard time seeing Schultz ahead of Green defensively. Personally I'd go:
1 - Poti
2 - Schultz
3 - Erskine
4 - Green
5 - Sloan
6 - Morrisonn
7 - Jurcina
by DMG on Nov 17, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Poti
Schultz
Erskine
Sloan
Green
Jurcina
Morrisonn
People who should have taken that 3rd shootout chance before Boyd Gordon -
Flash
Nylander
Backstrom
Green
Laich
Fehr
Bradley
Maybe Stecks (he used to be able to score)
The only ones I actually had to THINK of was Steckel and Fehr...geez
by wittcap79 on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 AM EST reply actions
by Michael on Nov 17, 2008 11:47 AM EST reply actions
by Ogre on Nov 17, 2008 11:48 AM EST reply actions
by LA Caps Fan on Nov 17, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions
Jurcina is right off my list after shooting the puck all the way across the ice and over the glass the other night. I think it was an attempted pass to AO but jeez!
Let hatred of The Erskine cease!
by HotDog88GT on Nov 17, 2008 12:46 PM EST reply actions
Still, I agree with the general consensus that Poti and Schultz are our most defensively/fundamentally sound guys. Beyond that, I defer to those who have seen more action so far this year.
by jason on Nov 17, 2008 2:17 PM EST reply actions
Erskine plays against top notch opposition on the penalty kill and has so far done a nice job. It's a different role than he's given at even strength.
That said, I don't think he'll make the "top defensive defencemen" list by the end of the year simply because he doesn't log enough minutes.
by James Mirtle on Nov 17, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply actions
































